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[Q] Battery drain application

Hi!
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
Something, that I launch, I put my phone on the desk, have a tea meanwhile, and it's drained! Something, that turns on wifi, do some downloading, browsing, video playing, or whatever, and does it automatically without supervision. Does such app exists?

I'll second this, it'd be nice to have an app do this for me and maybe even give us some interesting stats from it?
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why would you want an application to destroy your battery?

Adevem said:
why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
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Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.

Soniboy84 said:
Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...

Byr0x said:
not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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+1 If you had been reading around...you would know Lithium Ion batteries are designed to 'maximize' their efficiency within about two weeks of 'top up' charging. Cycle-charging is generally considered a less efficient method of charging. You will need to 'TopUp charge' this means charging as much and as often as possible. If your battery is at 89% for instance and you find yourself near a socket, plug your adapter in and charge it up to 100%. After a few days of doing this you will notice an improvement in the life of your battery when you are not able to charge.

Actually,,,
It is not matter of running your battery down to 0%.
It is ok to run it down till phone does to power on itself.
As you know battery is a single cell Li-Ion @ 3.7v
when it is fully charged it's peak voltage is 4.2v
By the time battery mah is drained down (galaxy s has 1500mah)
battery voltage should be around 3.2~3.4v range. this will depend on condition of the battery.
Battery should never go below 3.2v personally, 3.4v is my cut off.
If your battery voltage goes below 3.2v... it's time for a new battery as this kind of voltage will damage your battery, either it will leak or puff (battery will actually get bloated.
Phone has a voltage cut off so it will not over charge over 4.2v but if it does, it will likely start to smoke and catch fire.
I am sure anyone who is into electric Radio control knows all about these batteries.
Oh btw,,, long time storage voltage should be 3.8v
You'll be asking how do I know what voltage my battery is... I personallly don't know of any apps but GPS Status actually shows the temperature & voltage of your battery.

Soniboy84 said:
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
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First, take into consideration the comments above regarding deep discharge of your battery...but, to answer your question, there's an app in the market place called 'Battery Refresh' which attempts to drain your battery quicker.

Well if it's all true above than its a good sign, and thanks for the info! I'm not an expert but in the old times I remember batteries had to discharged completely, maybe even if it's just a few times. Now somebody can also tell me why my battery is discharging when it's plugged in the socket with original charger? All I do is using the internet, and has. nimbuzz and a live wallpaper on. :S

You could probably enable the GPS/BT/WIFI ( connected to a router ) and run the interactive mode on Neocore benchmark.. that should enable most of the hardware components on the phone and stress the GPU/CPU.. probably would see a 25% battery drain for every 35-40mins.

I don't know what has changed with the batteries but as far as I know...
it is good to discharge new batteries 3~4 times down until phone does not power on.
Like I have said... it's about the voltage of the battery, not whether battery has any juice left in it or not.
These batteries have a protective circuitry so that it will not charge over 4.2v,
also as for discharge it is usually down to 3v but usually with a charger/discharger units that can control mah/volts/amps. With typical usage from the phone, it'll likely be discharged down to about 3.2`3.4v. Which is very safe.
You can do whatever you feel but I personally do this to every batteries I have for phone and every batteries I use with my radio controled cars.
For my RC cars, I have about 6 batteries ranging from 1cell to 3cell LiPo packs.
Each cell is 3.7volts.
But you don't have to force discharge and hurry the process.
Just use the phone normally and let it run down to nothing... than recharge to full peak.
Than again, choice is yours.

I'm looking for the same kind of applications. It's very useful for recalibrating your battery. Wipe the battery history then do a full cycle.
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The old saying in RC Helicopters was that the difference between discharging 50% and 100% was the difference between getting 500 uses and 5 uses.
You should certainly avoid ever fully dischaging any lithium based battery.
Older nickel batteries (Ni-cd, Ni-MH) required full dischage cycles to get rid of memory the the metals pertained, lithium-ion and lithium-ion-polymer not only do not require this; but doing so will damage them.
And yes, the older ipods came with Nimh cells and they did reccomended full discharge cycles.
Im pretty sure the idea was to try not to let the voltage get below 3.5v/cell and never below 3.3. Dead flat is 3 or 2.85 which is when the battery simply cant produce any real current. The phone should have circuitry though to not let the voltage get above 4.25 or below ~3.5.. If the low battery warning comes on, set the brightness to dim, and stop any activities (unless its a phone call, its not THAT important but if youre playing games or watching a movie...) until yo can get to a charger.
By the way this being my first post (i meant to ages ago) Ill just mention that my galaxy S came with recovery mode and download mode Enabled, i got it just last month, Virgin network, Australia.

draining the battery fully was for the older battery types, new age batteries are not recommended to be drained fully

Thanks!
One more question:
I'm using my phone as a desktop replacement, because I don't have Internet at the moment. I'm using xda, dolphin browser and listening music. It's plugged into the mains and it's not charging. It says 49%, and stuck there. Is it possible I'm using too much battery?
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Ok, this will be my last reply.
Fully draining or not is not the issue.
In RC, most modern electronic speed controllers have a built-in battery cut-off which will cut off power once it reaches certain voltage. Because OVER-draining battery without cut off can damage/kill/ or make it unable to hold voltage.
Also, once the battery voltage reach certain point (still within safe range) you will notice the motor being powered slow down. This would also be a recommended time to stop.
Cellular phones have built in safe cut off aswell. As I have said I have measured my battery after being full drained, voltage was around 3.55v or so. Which is very normal considering voltage of the battery is 3.7v only with peak charged voltage of 4.2.
Now, Someone mentioned that fully draining your battery repeatedly will dramatically reduce battery life.
Reducing life of the battery has more to do with the amount of AMP used to charge the battery. Faster charging is usually reduce battery life dramatically.
And without hobby grade chargers, you won't be able to control this charge rate.
Slow charge is better but charging at 1C rating is the normal. But charging at 1C means regardless of batteries mah rating, battery can be charged in about 60 minutes. As we all know, our phone batteries doesn't charge from zero to full in 60minutes, right? just like most of the portable devices it takes nearly 3~4hours to fully recharge. Last 20% usually takes longer because Amp provided to charge slowly lowers. That is why.
For example, if Galaxy S battery is 1500mah, than 1C charge rate is @ 1.5amp.
If battery is 3000Mah, 1C is 3.0Amps and so on.
So like I have said over and over before, drain your battery away if you have to by choice or not. Just use it up, I will bet you your battery will last longer than you keep your phone.

U should avoid draining ur battery to 0% (witch is not possible with ur phone. When it shows 0% the charge of the battery is at 10-15%). Li-ion batteries dont have a memory effect, so it would be usless discharching it completely anyhow. Best for sgs battery is charging it before it goes under 50% that will improve the lifetime of ur battery (not how long it lasts before u have to charge but how long it lasts before u have to go and buy a new one)
How do i know? Simply cause i had to learn that a few weeks ago for the job im learning.
@xxgg: yes ur right, it wont really damage the battery if u runn it till thr phone shows its empty. But using an app to drain battery as quick as possible will, since the app forces the battery to give out more Ampere than its built to give out
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how fast can Arc S charge?

how fast can Arc S charge?
how many Voltage recommanded for the charger?
is 1000mA max support, can it be higher like 2000mA?
thank you

All I know is that the default charger is 850mAh, and that already chargers pretty fast. half-full in an hour.

sdk16420 said:
All I know is that the default charger is 850mAh, and that already chargers pretty fast. half-full in an hour.
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do you think it can be faster?

i would say mine charges full in an hour

charge current is programmed in phone's firmware below 1A for AC chargers and below 500mA for USB (don't remember actual values), so even if a 2A charger is used, charge time will not vary.

Mine goes about 1% a minute, I find it good enough for me.

Full charge takes about 1,5h so for me it's not long. But comparing to Xperia S and 0,5h Arc S charge takes ages

When it gets to 90% or maybe even 85%, it slows down its charging, and displays the LED as green, it then continues to charge, this is the economic techniques of the charger, at least that's what I remember from the manual. So it saves energy as most people charge their phone at night, as it gets plugged in for longer periods of time.
This was the first device that introduced me to that concept, the iPhone 3G I had before focused on faster charging. I am unaware of any other products that use green charging methods, however I'm certain other devices will do.
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stu15 said:
When it gets to 90% or maybe even 85%, it slows down its charging, and displays the LED as green, it then continues to charge, this is the economic techniques of the charger, at least that's what I remember from the manual. So it saves energy as most people charge their phone at night, as it gets plugged in for longer periods of time.
This was the first device that introduced me to that concept, the iPhone 3G I had before focused on faster charging. I am unaware of any other products that use green charging methods, however I'm certain other devices will do.
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charging a lithium based cell requires a first step using a constant current supply, until voltage reaches 4.2 volt; beyond that point, charging switches to constant voltage, providing the last 10% or so of charge to the cell.
every li-ion charger does so, but someone signals "cell charged" (i.e. green led) when charger actually stops supplying current, others when transitioning from constant-current to constant-voltage mode.
and if that last 10% of charge is not so vital for you, i suggest to disconnect charger as soon as led turns green, because at that high voltage, corrosion of battery's anode is faster and so life of cell and it's capacity is reduced on the long run.
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_Homer said:
and if that last 10% of charge is not so vital for you, i suggest to disconnect charger as soon as led turns green, because at that high voltage, corrosion of battery's anode is faster and so life of cell and it's capacity is reduced on the long run.
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MYTH NO. 2: Overcharging your lithium ion battery will reduce its battery life
One of the most common myths that we have heard about lithium ion batteries would be the need to plug it from its charger after being fully charged, since overcharging the battery/device will reduce its battery life. The truth is, lithium ion batteries cannot be overcharged or can be reduced of its battery life through overcharging. What’s good about these batteries is that that already have built-in circuits that will cut off the power once it has been fully charged.
However, it is a good idea to unplug or remove the battery once it has done charging because the heat from poor ventilation or from charging will cause it to blow up. Another reason why this is an important note worth remembering is that batteries discharge faster when heated thus, reducing its lifespan.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/the-top-3-android-battery-myths-46924/

Someguyfromhell said:
http://www.androidauthority.com/the-top-3-android-battery-myths-46924/
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that it's true, and is a residual myth from the age of stupid charger that went on charging forever after 100%.
perhaps I was not talking about overcharging, but to terminate charge before the constant-voltage part (at about 90%) if you want to slow down capacity reduction and so prolong battery life.
life of li-ion cell is optimal at 40% charge, but obviously a cell kept at 40% is useless :laugh:, so only thing I can suggest is to avoid reaching full charge if you can.
it's a form of perfectionism, let's call it so

I undervolted my phone, turned off WiFi, sync, brightness and put it on powersaver, charged at 1% a minute which is much faster than its normal charge. Good for me to know, obviously turning the phone off is basically the same
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jman2131 said:
i would say mine charges full in an hour
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me too my phone charges full in an hour

agree about full charge with 1 hour

mine is sometimes less than 1 hour with original charger. with PC or non original chargers more than 2 hours. sometimes 3

ash-ta said:
me too my phone charges full in an hour
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the same for me

agrCale this
what about charge from PC?

Correct way to charge 5X

Had a Nexus 4 and I did the overnight charge,
Is it the same for the 5X with the rapid charge?
Thanks
Gary

There is not a better way to do it, you can rapid-charge it overnight, during the day, in you car, every 3 minutes with 10 minute pause or whenever you would like to.
For me, I use a normal charger overnight and the rapid charger when I need juice during the day or in the car, or when i forget to plug it overnight.

I remember reading on a reputable tech site about how lithium works, you can leave it overnight with no issues but they have a specific amount of charges in them. E.g. 500 charges for a battery and a charge will be counted anytime it goes above 80% etc. After 500 times, your battery should start to see degradation.
All the above figures are made up but that was the gist of the article i read, so don't worry about leaving your phone plugged in, the os will automatically limit the charge once it reaches 100%.

RedMaio said:
For me, I use a normal charger overnight and the rapid charger when I need juice during the day or in the car, or when i forget to plug it overnight.
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I do the same.
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Google's take on the subject:
Battery lifespan, charging & usage tips
Good charging practices and care can increase your battery's lifespan. Use the tips below to keep your battery healthy.
6 battery charging & care tips
1. Use the power adapter and charger that came with your device
Other chargers can charge slowly, not at all, or damage your device or battery.
2. Keep it cool
Avoid situations where your device can overheat. Your battery will drain much faster when it's hot, even if you're not using it, and this can even damage your battery. Keep in mind that your device warms up when it's plugged in, so try not to keep it charging all the time.
3. Don't worry about calibrating the battery
You don't need to teach your device how much capacity the battery has by going from totally charged to completely drained.
4. Keep it more than half charged
For the best battery lifespan, try to keep your battery charged above 50% as much as possible.
5. Try to charge a little at a time
Small charges throughout the day are best for battery health. Battery lifespan can suffer if it's charged from zero to full and then completely drained on a regular basis.
6. Store your device half charged
Leave the device with a half-full battery if it needs to be stored for a long time.
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Option to charge OGP slowly?

When I go to sleep at night, I usually leave my phone plugged in until I wake up. I need my phone to have a full battery when I awake, and this is the only option that I know of. I was wondering if there is a way to force the phone to charge a little more slowly so that it isn't sitting plugged in on the charger with a full battery for a few hours until I wake up, as I understand this can damage your battery and reduce longevity. Anyone have any suggestions?

Maybe you could use a low amperage charger?

With original charger (1.2A if I'm not wrong), it took nearly 6h for my phone to fully charge (while it was new and on factory software). Even the charger is declared as 1.2A, charging current never went over 700mA so you can safely leave it on charger, with no worries... Devices do have a overcharge protection, and simply will stop charging second battery sensor gives "Full" state (you can test that with Ampere - you'll get the charging current and see that even after 100% is reached, battery continues to charge for a while, until "Full" state is set by the sensor). Battery quality will deteriorate no matter what you do - they are made to survive some number of recharging cycles and that's it - mine suddenly started loosing capacity fast, after 2.5 years (or around 1000 cycles), out of blue, and you can just replace it. Same story with other phones I have/had: simply, after 2.5-3y their batteries start loosing capacity rapidly.
I would not recommend weaker charger (under 700mA) because our device has 250-400mA drain during idle, and if you want your phone to be full same moment you're awake, you may get a nasty surprise of "Charging" status Anything around 1A is more than enough.

Thanks so much! That answers my question.

Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS?

I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?

513263337 said:
I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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You made my night... Slower charger kills battery not fast charging.. fast charge save battery to be honest. And you dont have to be worry since the batteries now are LI-lon . Go get info in google about the batteries . All i can say you got infos wrong.
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Agree with previous post. But if it makes you feel better, just don't use a dash charger...
Very simple.

lummujaj said:
You made my night... Slower charger kills battery not fast charging.. fast charge save battery to be honest. And you dont have to be worry since the batteries now are LI-lon . Go get info in google about the batteries . All i can say you got infos wrong.
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OK. I didn't know.
I was speaking from my past experience with Samsung Galaxy Note 4. I bought couple of original Samsung batteries and rotate them throughout daily usage. I noticed a significant difference in battery life comparing the ones that I used fast charge on vs the ones I didn't. After that I stick to NOT using fast charge.
Of course, that's nothing scientific. And Samsung uses a different fast charge mechanism (higher voltage) than OnePlus (higher current), so there could be difference there too.

Because Dash Charge seems to be re-labeled Vooc charging from OPPO, I can tell you, that the last two years with charging minimum one times every day, there is no bad effect on the battery (still the first one).
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513263337 said:
OK. I didn't know.
I was speaking from my past experience with Samsung Galaxy Note 4. I bought couple of original Samsung batteries and rotate them throughout daily usage. I noticed a significant difference in battery life comparing the ones that I used fast charge on vs the ones I didn't. After that I stick to NOT using fast charge.
Of course, that's nothing scientific. And Samsung uses a different fast charge mechanism (higher voltage) than OnePlus (higher current), so there could be difference there too.
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Samsung devices are notorious for killing batteries and its more likely hardware than it is the battery itself, u will be fine

I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?

513263337 said:
I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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I use Samsung 1.5 Amp charger and keep my battery between 40% to 80%
I think these are best for long term usage.

repsol89 said:
I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.

iam_adarsh said:
I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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Well, it was my first thought, but everyone in this topic is telling me that OP works different than Samsung!

iam_adarsh said:
I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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that's the problem of the charger or the phone itself. thecharger is designed not to charge when the battery is full. What I want to say is you experienced an accident and sorry for you.
The most serious threat to the battery is high temperature. OnePlus 3 reduce the charging heat by its dash charge. The dash charge pushes low voltage directly to the phone, which mitigates the heating problem by pushing high electric current and making the voltage transition process in dash charger. Most of other phones still use high voltage because they fail to create high current. recalling the physics in high school, the power is current multiplied by voltage and energy equals to power multiplied by time. than you would understand the powerful feature of dash charge

dlhxr said:
that's the problem of the charger or the phone itself. thecharger is designed not to charge when the battery is full. What I want to say is you experienced an accident and sorry for you.
The most serious threat to the battery is high temperature. OnePlus 3 reduce the charging heat by its dash charge. The dash charge pushes low voltage directly to the phone, which mitigates the heating problem by pushing high electric current and making the voltage transition process in dash charger. Most of other phones still use high voltage because they fail to create high current. recalling the physics in high school, the power is current multiplied by voltage and energy equals to power multiplied by time. than you would understand the powerful feature of dash charge
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The power is current multiplied by voltage so what's the difference between high current mutiplied by low voltage versus low current multiplied by high voltage ?
2V x A = V x 2A

lapocompris said:
The power is current multiplied by voltage so what's the difference between high current mutiplied by low voltage versus low current multiplied by high voltage ?
2V x A = V x 2A
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qc3.0 uses low current and high voltage. Dash uses high current and low voltage. As a result, they have similar power and both charge quickly. However, the heating problem is more serious for qc 3.0. The difference of the battery voltage and charger voltage is the leading factor that determines the transition efficiency. The bigger the difference is, the more heat charging process generates.
So~ you could look up for qc3.0. for mi 5, it has three adaptive mode: 5V2.5A、9V2A、12V1.5A. for dash, we have 5V4A

repsol89 said:
I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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There is no problem with leaving your phone on the charger. I do this with every phone since years.
If people experience something bad with it, their phone or battery are broken. The current tech just keeps the battery at full capacity once it's full. Never had any problem.

So many "opinions" but mostly incorrect. The answer to the OPs question is that you don't have to worry about quick charge destroying your battery. It will not have significant impact on your battery capacity. I would have been more worried about breaking the usb type-c port(see point 2 below). All things considered, after 2-3 years you will probably buy a new phone anyway and also you can always buy a replacement battery cheap. But you can simply use a normal charger which delivers <3A with 5V so you don't have to worry about anything.
1- Slow charge does not damage lithium-ion chemistry batteries. You can read about lithium-ion charging here. But neither fast charge will damage lithium-ion as long as the battery temperature is not extremely high. Also temperature at different charge stages effect the capacity decrease (source) But you will be fine as long as the battery temperature is less than 45C. The charging IC should stop the charging process if it exceeds it anyway.
2- Qualcomm's quick charge is much better than voop/dash charge from an engineering standpoint. This is why also USB organization's power delivery (PD) standard uses similar scheme. The problem is the cable and the connector. The maximum allowed current at 5V is 3A with usb type-c connector (source). If you provide more current, you need to use a thicker cable(dash/vooc cables). But you can't change the connector, and it may damage your connector in the long run to use 3+A currents to charge. Because there is a contact resistance (R) and the power lost in the connector is square of current (I) times R. Meaning R*I^2, it will wear off the connector faster. This is why some companies with some engineering skills opt in to use higher voltages instead of higher currents.
3- You can't push more current to lithium-ion battery than it accepts. The maximum current is voltage delta (between charging voltage and battery voltage) divided by internal resistance. This is why you can charge empty battery much faster. If you use an app like Ampere from play store, you can see the voltage of your battery before and after you plug in your charger. If you plug in a normal charger, you will see that it goes up a little bit. If you plug a quick charger it goes up to ~4.35V
4- Yes, there is conversion inefficiencies for quick charge inside the phone, and it will warm up the "phone" and battery only indirectly. The conversion IC are normally >90% efficient (source). This does not mean that your battery will be destroyed. It is perfectly fine to charge lithium-batteries with up to 45C temperatures (source).
4- If overnight charging killed your battery, your battery was faulty (or you had 3rd party battery?). The battery should be capable of holding 4.35v charge. You would need to store battery at 4.35V full charge for over 3 months to loose 20% capacity (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries). Having full charge few hours overnight won't destroy it unless your battery or device is faulty.
With all this information, I would rather opt in for USB-PD/Qualcomm Quick Charge solutions than VOOC/DASH solutions. I think eventually only USB-PD will remain and everybody will use it as a standard only.