how fast can Arc S charge?
how many Voltage recommanded for the charger?
is 1000mA max support, can it be higher like 2000mA?
thank you
All I know is that the default charger is 850mAh, and that already chargers pretty fast. half-full in an hour.
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All I know is that the default charger is 850mAh, and that already chargers pretty fast. half-full in an hour.
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do you think it can be faster?
i would say mine charges full in an hour
charge current is programmed in phone's firmware below 1A for AC chargers and below 500mA for USB (don't remember actual values), so even if a 2A charger is used, charge time will not vary.
Mine goes about 1% a minute, I find it good enough for me.
Full charge takes about 1,5h so for me it's not long. But comparing to Xperia S and 0,5h Arc S charge takes ages
When it gets to 90% or maybe even 85%, it slows down its charging, and displays the LED as green, it then continues to charge, this is the economic techniques of the charger, at least that's what I remember from the manual. So it saves energy as most people charge their phone at night, as it gets plugged in for longer periods of time.
This was the first device that introduced me to that concept, the iPhone 3G I had before focused on faster charging. I am unaware of any other products that use green charging methods, however I'm certain other devices will do.
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stu15 said:
When it gets to 90% or maybe even 85%, it slows down its charging, and displays the LED as green, it then continues to charge, this is the economic techniques of the charger, at least that's what I remember from the manual. So it saves energy as most people charge their phone at night, as it gets plugged in for longer periods of time.
This was the first device that introduced me to that concept, the iPhone 3G I had before focused on faster charging. I am unaware of any other products that use green charging methods, however I'm certain other devices will do.
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charging a lithium based cell requires a first step using a constant current supply, until voltage reaches 4.2 volt; beyond that point, charging switches to constant voltage, providing the last 10% or so of charge to the cell.
every li-ion charger does so, but someone signals "cell charged" (i.e. green led) when charger actually stops supplying current, others when transitioning from constant-current to constant-voltage mode.
and if that last 10% of charge is not so vital for you, i suggest to disconnect charger as soon as led turns green, because at that high voltage, corrosion of battery's anode is faster and so life of cell and it's capacity is reduced on the long run.
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and if that last 10% of charge is not so vital for you, i suggest to disconnect charger as soon as led turns green, because at that high voltage, corrosion of battery's anode is faster and so life of cell and it's capacity is reduced on the long run.
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MYTH NO. 2: Overcharging your lithium ion battery will reduce its battery life
One of the most common myths that we have heard about lithium ion batteries would be the need to plug it from its charger after being fully charged, since overcharging the battery/device will reduce its battery life. The truth is, lithium ion batteries cannot be overcharged or can be reduced of its battery life through overcharging. What’s good about these batteries is that that already have built-in circuits that will cut off the power once it has been fully charged.
However, it is a good idea to unplug or remove the battery once it has done charging because the heat from poor ventilation or from charging will cause it to blow up. Another reason why this is an important note worth remembering is that batteries discharge faster when heated thus, reducing its lifespan.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/the-top-3-android-battery-myths-46924/
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http://www.androidauthority.com/the-top-3-android-battery-myths-46924/
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that it's true, and is a residual myth from the age of stupid charger that went on charging forever after 100%.
perhaps I was not talking about overcharging, but to terminate charge before the constant-voltage part (at about 90%) if you want to slow down capacity reduction and so prolong battery life.
life of li-ion cell is optimal at 40% charge, but obviously a cell kept at 40% is useless :laugh:, so only thing I can suggest is to avoid reaching full charge if you can.
it's a form of perfectionism, let's call it so
I undervolted my phone, turned off WiFi, sync, brightness and put it on powersaver, charged at 1% a minute which is much faster than its normal charge. Good for me to know, obviously turning the phone off is basically the same
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i would say mine charges full in an hour
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me too my phone charges full in an hour
agree about full charge with 1 hour
mine is sometimes less than 1 hour with original charger. with PC or non original chargers more than 2 hours. sometimes 3
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me too my phone charges full in an hour
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the same for me
agrCale this
what about charge from PC?
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Hi!
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
Something, that I launch, I put my phone on the desk, have a tea meanwhile, and it's drained! Something, that turns on wifi, do some downloading, browsing, video playing, or whatever, and does it automatically without supervision. Does such app exists?
I'll second this, it'd be nice to have an app do this for me and maybe even give us some interesting stats from it?
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why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
Adevem said:
why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
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Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
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Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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+1 If you had been reading around...you would know Lithium Ion batteries are designed to 'maximize' their efficiency within about two weeks of 'top up' charging. Cycle-charging is generally considered a less efficient method of charging. You will need to 'TopUp charge' this means charging as much and as often as possible. If your battery is at 89% for instance and you find yourself near a socket, plug your adapter in and charge it up to 100%. After a few days of doing this you will notice an improvement in the life of your battery when you are not able to charge.
Actually,,,
It is not matter of running your battery down to 0%.
It is ok to run it down till phone does to power on itself.
As you know battery is a single cell Li-Ion @ 3.7v
when it is fully charged it's peak voltage is 4.2v
By the time battery mah is drained down (galaxy s has 1500mah)
battery voltage should be around 3.2~3.4v range. this will depend on condition of the battery.
Battery should never go below 3.2v personally, 3.4v is my cut off.
If your battery voltage goes below 3.2v... it's time for a new battery as this kind of voltage will damage your battery, either it will leak or puff (battery will actually get bloated.
Phone has a voltage cut off so it will not over charge over 4.2v but if it does, it will likely start to smoke and catch fire.
I am sure anyone who is into electric Radio control knows all about these batteries.
Oh btw,,, long time storage voltage should be 3.8v
You'll be asking how do I know what voltage my battery is... I personallly don't know of any apps but GPS Status actually shows the temperature & voltage of your battery.
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I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
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First, take into consideration the comments above regarding deep discharge of your battery...but, to answer your question, there's an app in the market place called 'Battery Refresh' which attempts to drain your battery quicker.
Well if it's all true above than its a good sign, and thanks for the info! I'm not an expert but in the old times I remember batteries had to discharged completely, maybe even if it's just a few times. Now somebody can also tell me why my battery is discharging when it's plugged in the socket with original charger? All I do is using the internet, and has. nimbuzz and a live wallpaper on. :S
You could probably enable the GPS/BT/WIFI ( connected to a router ) and run the interactive mode on Neocore benchmark.. that should enable most of the hardware components on the phone and stress the GPU/CPU.. probably would see a 25% battery drain for every 35-40mins.
I don't know what has changed with the batteries but as far as I know...
it is good to discharge new batteries 3~4 times down until phone does not power on.
Like I have said... it's about the voltage of the battery, not whether battery has any juice left in it or not.
These batteries have a protective circuitry so that it will not charge over 4.2v,
also as for discharge it is usually down to 3v but usually with a charger/discharger units that can control mah/volts/amps. With typical usage from the phone, it'll likely be discharged down to about 3.2`3.4v. Which is very safe.
You can do whatever you feel but I personally do this to every batteries I have for phone and every batteries I use with my radio controled cars.
For my RC cars, I have about 6 batteries ranging from 1cell to 3cell LiPo packs.
Each cell is 3.7volts.
But you don't have to force discharge and hurry the process.
Just use the phone normally and let it run down to nothing... than recharge to full peak.
Than again, choice is yours.
I'm looking for the same kind of applications. It's very useful for recalibrating your battery. Wipe the battery history then do a full cycle.
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The old saying in RC Helicopters was that the difference between discharging 50% and 100% was the difference between getting 500 uses and 5 uses.
You should certainly avoid ever fully dischaging any lithium based battery.
Older nickel batteries (Ni-cd, Ni-MH) required full dischage cycles to get rid of memory the the metals pertained, lithium-ion and lithium-ion-polymer not only do not require this; but doing so will damage them.
And yes, the older ipods came with Nimh cells and they did reccomended full discharge cycles.
Im pretty sure the idea was to try not to let the voltage get below 3.5v/cell and never below 3.3. Dead flat is 3 or 2.85 which is when the battery simply cant produce any real current. The phone should have circuitry though to not let the voltage get above 4.25 or below ~3.5.. If the low battery warning comes on, set the brightness to dim, and stop any activities (unless its a phone call, its not THAT important but if youre playing games or watching a movie...) until yo can get to a charger.
By the way this being my first post (i meant to ages ago) Ill just mention that my galaxy S came with recovery mode and download mode Enabled, i got it just last month, Virgin network, Australia.
draining the battery fully was for the older battery types, new age batteries are not recommended to be drained fully
Thanks!
One more question:
I'm using my phone as a desktop replacement, because I don't have Internet at the moment. I'm using xda, dolphin browser and listening music. It's plugged into the mains and it's not charging. It says 49%, and stuck there. Is it possible I'm using too much battery?
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Ok, this will be my last reply.
Fully draining or not is not the issue.
In RC, most modern electronic speed controllers have a built-in battery cut-off which will cut off power once it reaches certain voltage. Because OVER-draining battery without cut off can damage/kill/ or make it unable to hold voltage.
Also, once the battery voltage reach certain point (still within safe range) you will notice the motor being powered slow down. This would also be a recommended time to stop.
Cellular phones have built in safe cut off aswell. As I have said I have measured my battery after being full drained, voltage was around 3.55v or so. Which is very normal considering voltage of the battery is 3.7v only with peak charged voltage of 4.2.
Now, Someone mentioned that fully draining your battery repeatedly will dramatically reduce battery life.
Reducing life of the battery has more to do with the amount of AMP used to charge the battery. Faster charging is usually reduce battery life dramatically.
And without hobby grade chargers, you won't be able to control this charge rate.
Slow charge is better but charging at 1C rating is the normal. But charging at 1C means regardless of batteries mah rating, battery can be charged in about 60 minutes. As we all know, our phone batteries doesn't charge from zero to full in 60minutes, right? just like most of the portable devices it takes nearly 3~4hours to fully recharge. Last 20% usually takes longer because Amp provided to charge slowly lowers. That is why.
For example, if Galaxy S battery is 1500mah, than 1C charge rate is @ 1.5amp.
If battery is 3000Mah, 1C is 3.0Amps and so on.
So like I have said over and over before, drain your battery away if you have to by choice or not. Just use it up, I will bet you your battery will last longer than you keep your phone.
U should avoid draining ur battery to 0% (witch is not possible with ur phone. When it shows 0% the charge of the battery is at 10-15%). Li-ion batteries dont have a memory effect, so it would be usless discharching it completely anyhow. Best for sgs battery is charging it before it goes under 50% that will improve the lifetime of ur battery (not how long it lasts before u have to charge but how long it lasts before u have to go and buy a new one)
How do i know? Simply cause i had to learn that a few weeks ago for the job im learning.
@xxgg: yes ur right, it wont really damage the battery if u runn it till thr phone shows its empty. But using an app to drain battery as quick as possible will, since the app forces the battery to give out more Ampere than its built to give out
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How long does it take to fully charge your One-X?
Mine is already charging 3.5h to get from 40%to 80%....
Using the default charger, and not using the device.
Isn't that a bit to long?? My HD2 was completely charged in 2h..
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How long does it take to fully charge your One-X?
Mine is already charging 3.5h to get from 40%to 80%....
Using the default charger, and not using the device.
Isn't that a bit to long?? My HD2 was completely charged in 2h..
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I am no expert, so don't hold me on this one, but I believe your device charge should speed up due to firmware updates and also once the battery has been 'worn' in - just stuff I have seen about.
Can anyone else provide me their charge times? How long it takes to charge from A to B?
Pls mention with wall outlet or USB.
I've noticed this as well. My Arc charges in like 2-3h to full. the One X takes about 2 hours to get to about 60% from 30% (using USB).
edit: wall charging takes just as long.
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I've noticed this as well. My Arc charges in like 2-3h to full. the One X takes about 2 hours to get to about 60% from 30% (using USB).
edit: wall charging takes just as long.
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Can't be normal, right? 2h from 30% to 60%...
i think its to do with the type of battery they are using to be fair
Interesting reading about lithium based batteries
this is a quote from batteryuniversity dot com
Simple Guidelines for Charging Lithium-based Batteries
• A portable device should be turned off while charging. This allows the battery to reach the threshold voltage unhindered and reflects the correct saturation current responsible to terminate the charge. A parasitic load confuses the charger.
• Charge at a moderate temperature. Do not charge below freezing.
• Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
• Chargers use different methods for “ready” indication. The light signal may not always indicate a full charge.
• Discontinue using charger and/or battery if the battery gets excessively warm.
• Before prolonged storage, apply some charge to bring the pack to about half charge.
• Over-discharged batteries can be “boosted” to life again. Discard pack if the voltage does not rise to a normal level within a minute while on boost.
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And I also read that charge time should be almost 3h for a full charge(i suppose this is when device turned off). You could get about 70% charge in about an hour if I remember correctly.
Hmm not gonna turn off the phone for every charge tbh...
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While charging and using the phone it takes around 5 hours to get from 5% to 14% when not using but charging takes around 3-5 hours to charge from 25% to 100%
My second charge, from 0% to 100%, with device shut down took 3.5 hours to show the green led... quite a long time since I was using the wall-charger... I hope it will improve with the fw update and after the battery has been "initialized"
Today I began charging my HOX at 1:44 (1%) and it finally reached 100% at 4:59.
I was using HTC's charger.
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Today I began charging my HOX at 1:44 (1%) and it finally reached 100% at 4:59.
I was using HTC's charger.
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same here, about 3h from shutdown with 0% to seeing green LED
using wall charger
Took me three hours with original HTC wall charger and original HTC cable (no extension) to charge from 4% to 100%. Terribly slow!
EDIT 1 : Apparently BWM doesn't show accurate power draw while idle on the One X for now, so my post has become totally irrelevant
I always install Battery Monitor Widget on all my Android devices and monitor charge and discharge constantly.
On my Desire Z, if it's below 70%+ I get a charge rate of about 750mAh from wall socket.
But on my One X, with the same charger (both are rated for 1amp, and both HTC), my charge rate drops to 450+ at 60% battery life.
It's probably a software issue, but charging the One X does take noticeably longer.
I don't think it is a software issue, as the battery pack is larger than before. Also when you are active the phone itself draws large amount of current and it definitely slow down your charge rate.
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I don't think it is a software issue, as the battery pack is larger than before. Also when you are active the phone itself draws large amount of current and it definitely slow down your charge rate.
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When your phone is idle with screen of, it shouldn't drain large amounts of power while charging. Can't imagine that has a huge influence on charge times tbh.
And for capacity, my HD2 was charged in about 2H for a 1200Ah battery, this 1800Ah One-X batt should be full in like 3h... not 5 or 6h...
The official wall charger took 2.5 hours to fully recharge the One X
Ok after an amount of charges, it now takes only 2.5h - 3h anymore for a complete recharge.
Official wall charger.
Did a charge on mine this morning from dead, took 2.5 hours to get to about 90%, left it for another hour but it didn't go up the last 10% stayed on 90 even after the extra hour. Off the wall
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Hmm not gonna turn off the phone for every charge tbh...
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I'm thinking the same... I don't mind turning it off on a night for the first 2/3 charges but personally this is my only phone (don't have a house phone) so will be keeping it on through the night in case someone needs me in an emergency etc...
Was interesting to read that batteries prefer a partial charge and do not need to be fully charged; which is good actually as mines got around 18% left and I'm about to stick it on charge for the next 8 hours.
Yesterday I used fast charge to charge one of two batteries to 100%, and charge other battery with wall charge.
Today, basically same usage, read electric book , wall charger charged battery last about 4 or 5 hours, then I replace it with the battery charged by fast charge, suddenly.... 25% drain after 30 minutes...
So I start to think that fast charge isn't really make battery up to 1800 mAh or what?
Because it's kinda ridiculous that 30 minutes drain 25% battery with only reading electric book, I suspect even play 3d game or 3G network browsing could drain that kind much juices in 30 minutes ...
I don't think it relates to ROM or something like that, because when I use these 2 batteries in same environment, didn't do anything, except shutdown, replace battery and boot...
Any theory?
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All fast charge does is allow a full amp from a USB cable (normally limited to half an amp from USB). The battery doesn't care if that amp comes from a USB cable or a wall charger, so no, it doesn't die faster based on a charging method.
But still curious that why my wall charger charged battery lasts 4,5 hours but fast charge charged battery drain 25% in 30 minutes which would only last like 2 hours in same usage....
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But still curious that why my wall charger charged battery lasts 4,5 hours but fast charge charged battery drain 25% in 30 minutes which would only last like 2 hours in same usage....
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Actually duplicating usage is nearly impossible. There could have been instances of lower signal, which chews on battery. There could have been a rogue background process that was chewing on the battery. There could be one of a thousand things that changed how your phone went through your battery.
The only argument for fast charge being the culprit would be an argument of a full amp vs a half amp charge. Some might argue that the half amp slower charge could lead to a better tuned battery, but I'm no electrical engineer, so I don't know if there's logic for or against that argument. However, if you're using a full amp wall charger, your battery won't find a difference between the amp from the wall or the amp from USB.
That's true, slow charge improves in fact battry drainage. It is true fir my GNex and the 3 other Android phones I got before. I don't use my wall charger anymore.
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That's true, slow charge improves in fact battry drainage. It is true fir my GNex and the 3 other Android phones I got before. I don't use my wall charger anymore.
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You're contradicting yourself, i'm afraid.
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Actually duplicating usage is nearly impossible. There could have been instances of lower signal, which chews on battery. There could have been a rogue background process that was chewing on the battery. There could be one of a thousand things that changed how your phone went through your battery.
The only argument for fast charge being the culprit would be an argument of a full amp vs a half amp charge. Some might argue that the half amp slower charge could lead to a better tuned battery, but I'm no electrical engineer, so I don't know if there's logic for or against that argument. However, if you're using a full amp wall charger, your battery won't find a difference between the amp from the wall or the amp from USB.
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Impossible yes, I know, but still, it shouldn't be that much different as first battery lasts 4,5 hours and second only about 2 hours....
And I didn't do anything like change setting, install new app or kill background process, as i said before, it might have some different, but shouldn't be that much
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I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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You made my night... Slower charger kills battery not fast charging.. fast charge save battery to be honest. And you dont have to be worry since the batteries now are LI-lon . Go get info in google about the batteries . All i can say you got infos wrong.
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Agree with previous post. But if it makes you feel better, just don't use a dash charger...
Very simple.
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You made my night... Slower charger kills battery not fast charging.. fast charge save battery to be honest. And you dont have to be worry since the batteries now are LI-lon . Go get info in google about the batteries . All i can say you got infos wrong.
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OK. I didn't know.
I was speaking from my past experience with Samsung Galaxy Note 4. I bought couple of original Samsung batteries and rotate them throughout daily usage. I noticed a significant difference in battery life comparing the ones that I used fast charge on vs the ones I didn't. After that I stick to NOT using fast charge.
Of course, that's nothing scientific. And Samsung uses a different fast charge mechanism (higher voltage) than OnePlus (higher current), so there could be difference there too.
Because Dash Charge seems to be re-labeled Vooc charging from OPPO, I can tell you, that the last two years with charging minimum one times every day, there is no bad effect on the battery (still the first one).
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OK. I didn't know.
I was speaking from my past experience with Samsung Galaxy Note 4. I bought couple of original Samsung batteries and rotate them throughout daily usage. I noticed a significant difference in battery life comparing the ones that I used fast charge on vs the ones I didn't. After that I stick to NOT using fast charge.
Of course, that's nothing scientific. And Samsung uses a different fast charge mechanism (higher voltage) than OnePlus (higher current), so there could be difference there too.
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Samsung devices are notorious for killing batteries and its more likely hardware than it is the battery itself, u will be fine
I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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I plan to use this phone for many years, so I'm worried that the fast charging might do damage to the battery in the long term or shorten its lifespan, so I'd rather charge it "slower". Is there a way to turn off the fast charging in the OS? Or is my worry unsubstantiated?
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I use Samsung 1.5 Amp charger and keep my battery between 40% to 80%
I think these are best for long term usage.
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I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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Well, it was my first thought, but everyone in this topic is telling me that OP works different than Samsung!
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I used a samsung S3 before and overnight charging killed my battery! Bless samsung for making battery removable on S3!
If i were you, I wouldn't leave my precious OP3 on an all-night charge.
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that's the problem of the charger or the phone itself. thecharger is designed not to charge when the battery is full. What I want to say is you experienced an accident and sorry for you.
The most serious threat to the battery is high temperature. OnePlus 3 reduce the charging heat by its dash charge. The dash charge pushes low voltage directly to the phone, which mitigates the heating problem by pushing high electric current and making the voltage transition process in dash charger. Most of other phones still use high voltage because they fail to create high current. recalling the physics in high school, the power is current multiplied by voltage and energy equals to power multiplied by time. than you would understand the powerful feature of dash charge
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that's the problem of the charger or the phone itself. thecharger is designed not to charge when the battery is full. What I want to say is you experienced an accident and sorry for you.
The most serious threat to the battery is high temperature. OnePlus 3 reduce the charging heat by its dash charge. The dash charge pushes low voltage directly to the phone, which mitigates the heating problem by pushing high electric current and making the voltage transition process in dash charger. Most of other phones still use high voltage because they fail to create high current. recalling the physics in high school, the power is current multiplied by voltage and energy equals to power multiplied by time. than you would understand the powerful feature of dash charge
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The power is current multiplied by voltage so what's the difference between high current mutiplied by low voltage versus low current multiplied by high voltage ?
2V x A = V x 2A
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The power is current multiplied by voltage so what's the difference between high current mutiplied by low voltage versus low current multiplied by high voltage ?
2V x A = V x 2A
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qc3.0 uses low current and high voltage. Dash uses high current and low voltage. As a result, they have similar power and both charge quickly. However, the heating problem is more serious for qc 3.0. The difference of the battery voltage and charger voltage is the leading factor that determines the transition efficiency. The bigger the difference is, the more heat charging process generates.
So~ you could look up for qc3.0. for mi 5, it has three adaptive mode: 5V2.5A、9V2A、12V1.5A. for dash, we have 5V4A
repsol89 said:
I have a similar question: does it make any problem if I leave the phone in (dash) charge for the whole night? I mean, if I sleep for 7hrs I'll have 1h of fast charging and 6hrs of nothing-but-charger-heating. Will this habit hurt the phone's battery or the charger itself?
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There is no problem with leaving your phone on the charger. I do this with every phone since years.
If people experience something bad with it, their phone or battery are broken. The current tech just keeps the battery at full capacity once it's full. Never had any problem.
So many "opinions" but mostly incorrect. The answer to the OPs question is that you don't have to worry about quick charge destroying your battery. It will not have significant impact on your battery capacity. I would have been more worried about breaking the usb type-c port(see point 2 below). All things considered, after 2-3 years you will probably buy a new phone anyway and also you can always buy a replacement battery cheap. But you can simply use a normal charger which delivers <3A with 5V so you don't have to worry about anything.
1- Slow charge does not damage lithium-ion chemistry batteries. You can read about lithium-ion charging here. But neither fast charge will damage lithium-ion as long as the battery temperature is not extremely high. Also temperature at different charge stages effect the capacity decrease (source) But you will be fine as long as the battery temperature is less than 45C. The charging IC should stop the charging process if it exceeds it anyway.
2- Qualcomm's quick charge is much better than voop/dash charge from an engineering standpoint. This is why also USB organization's power delivery (PD) standard uses similar scheme. The problem is the cable and the connector. The maximum allowed current at 5V is 3A with usb type-c connector (source). If you provide more current, you need to use a thicker cable(dash/vooc cables). But you can't change the connector, and it may damage your connector in the long run to use 3+A currents to charge. Because there is a contact resistance (R) and the power lost in the connector is square of current (I) times R. Meaning R*I^2, it will wear off the connector faster. This is why some companies with some engineering skills opt in to use higher voltages instead of higher currents.
3- You can't push more current to lithium-ion battery than it accepts. The maximum current is voltage delta (between charging voltage and battery voltage) divided by internal resistance. This is why you can charge empty battery much faster. If you use an app like Ampere from play store, you can see the voltage of your battery before and after you plug in your charger. If you plug in a normal charger, you will see that it goes up a little bit. If you plug a quick charger it goes up to ~4.35V
4- Yes, there is conversion inefficiencies for quick charge inside the phone, and it will warm up the "phone" and battery only indirectly. The conversion IC are normally >90% efficient (source). This does not mean that your battery will be destroyed. It is perfectly fine to charge lithium-batteries with up to 45C temperatures (source).
4- If overnight charging killed your battery, your battery was faulty (or you had 3rd party battery?). The battery should be capable of holding 4.35v charge. You would need to store battery at 4.35V full charge for over 3 months to loose 20% capacity (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries). Having full charge few hours overnight won't destroy it unless your battery or device is faulty.
With all this information, I would rather opt in for USB-PD/Qualcomm Quick Charge solutions than VOOC/DASH solutions. I think eventually only USB-PD will remain and everybody will use it as a standard only.
Hello guys,
To offert at my battery the best treatment I'm looking for a lower amperage wall charger for my Pixel 2XL.
Between 1 and 1.5 Amp it will be excellent. I read some interesting suties about battery life and how manage it and fast charge is part of that.
Thank you all anf have good evening.
I am sure it will charge on either one, but how fast who knows? If you are rooted and have Magisk, download the ACC module and you can control your charging that way instead.
Le_Combattant said:
Hello guys,
To offert at my battery the best treatment I'm looking for a lower amperage wall charger for my Pixel 2XL.
Between 1 and 1.5 Amp it will be excellent. I read some interesting suties about battery life and how manage it and fast charge is part of that.
Thank you all anf have good evening.
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Older USB chargers are mostly slow 1A chargers, like the cube Apple chargers
Droid_Nut said:
I am sure it will charge on either one, but how fast who knows? If you are rooted and have Magisk, download the ACC module and you can control your charging that way instead.
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I'm not rooted and I don't think I gonna it
Le_Combattant said:
Hello guys,
To offert at my battery the best treatment I'm looking for a lower amperage wall charger for my Pixel 2XL.
Between 1 and 1.5 Amp it will be excellent. I read some interesting suties about battery life and how manage it and fast charge is part of that.
Thank you all anf have good evening.
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I am an electrical engineer, and have some knowledge about how Li batteries function.
I have always wondered this, I always see people mentioning that slower charging is better for the longevity of Li-ion batteries. There is always a trade-off here. Slower charging also means the battery takes much longer to charge, and the battery stays hotter for longer period of time, which should affect it's lifetime. Fast charging also does the same thing, but the temperature is much hotter but is exposed for shorter period of time.
Now these is merely a speculation on my part, I don't have any theoretical or experimental evidence to back this up - I think regular 5V 2A charging is a balance between those two scenarios.
Also, I recall that the peak charging current is limited in P2XL, so using the stock charger shouldn't harm that much either.
Pixel 2XL is my first smartphone who do not Come hot when it charge so...
But I know that high temperature are not the best things for battery in general.
And about the level of charge ? Some people said they stop at 80% to manage battery
suhridkhan said:
I am an electrical engineer, and have some knowledge about how Li batteries function.
I have always wondered this, I always see people mentioning that slower charging is better for the longevity of Li-ion batteries. There is always a trade-off here. Slower charging also means the battery takes much longer to charge, and the battery stays hotter for longer period of time, which should affect it's lifetime. Fast charging also does the same thing, but the temperature is much hotter but is exposed for shorter period of time.
Now these is merely a speculation on my part, I don't have any theoretical or experimental evidence to back this up - I think regular 5V 2A charging is a balance between those two scenarios.
Also, I recall that the peak charging current is limited in P2XL, so using the stock charger shouldn't harm that much either.
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I use a 5 watts charger and the phone stay completely cold during the charge process.
Also there was a recent 2017 scientific paper that tested what degraded the battery. It's a really interesting read with many tested model.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...e-model-under-different-charging-stresses.pdf
Number 1 cause is high battery voltage at the end, second one is battery charging speed. Any speed faster than 1c will degrade the battery much faster.
This is why i charge at 5w plus stop charging at 80% (unless i know I'll need 100% that day, where i fully charge, but for my usage 80% is more than enough for the usual day).
von_block said:
I use a 5 watts charger and the phone stay completely cold during the charge process.
Also there was a recent 2017 scientific paper that tested what degraded the battery. It's a really interesting read with many tested model.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...e-model-under-different-charging-stresses.pdf
Number 1 cause is high battery voltage at the end, second one is battery charging speed. Any speed faster than 1c will degrade the battery much faster.
This is why i charge at 5w plus stop charging at 80% (unless i know I'll need 100% that day, where i fully charge, but for my usage 80% is more than enough for the usual day).
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I charge my phone every 48h and when it is full I unplug it from wall charger. And I charge it from 20-25% (some time I go lower because of my usage)
It's your famous amazon wall charger?
Le_Combattant said:
I charge my phone every 48h and when it is full I unplug it from wall charger. And I charge it from 20-25% (some time I go lower because of my usage)
It's your famous amazon wall charger?
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I download AccuBattery and charge my phone from 25% to 80% max. The app detect directly the stock capacity of my battery (3520mAh) but after my charge, the new capacity estimated is 2982%. Is the first value is reliable or I have to do some other charges?
You have to wait for about 10 cycles. It says in the application something like that.