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Hi!
I'm an owner of the HTC One X and I'm also a clean freak!
I noticed that the back marks really easily and the only way of cleaning it I have found so far is to use window cleaner, but I'm worried it will damage the material. Does anybody have any ideas?
Also, dust and dirt get into the gaps between the screen and the bezel, as well as inside the front facing camera. Once again, any ideas?
I'd be happy to hear any suggestions or any other troubles people have had cleaning it.
Thank you!
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Also, dust and dirt get into the gaps between the screen and the bezel, as well as inside the front facing camera. Once again, any ideas?
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I used some post-it notes and carefully cleaned out the dust. If anything gets stick in the speaker holes then you can use the sticky part of a post-it to remove it.
Don't go nuts though and really jam in the paper as you might get it stuck then tear it or you may push dust further into the phone.
There is a paper tape. It is very good suction dust >>> People still use it to suck the dust particles remaining on the screen before applying the protective sheet.
I think the measures are very good so you can remove dust in crevices on your device.
Thanks, it works!
The problem is I used a pin before and I think I've pushed a lot in too far.
I guess I messed up.
What colour phone do you have?
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I have been using "Pledge clean and dust multi-surface Original" for a couple of years to clean my notebook including the screen and and other electronics including my mobile phones it works great, also it cheap to buy, just make sure you spay a small amount onto a cloth and not on the item to be cleaned.
It says it for metal, electronic, glass and wood on the can.
http://www.ocado.com/product/50112011
John.
jameslfc5 said:
What colour phone do you have?
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I have the Grey version.
ORStoner said:
I have the Grey version.
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Can you please make some photos of the marks and tell how scratch prone is the phone.
I'm thinking if airbrushing some speckles into my white One X so that if it does get dirty, you wont be able to tell!!!
Reckless187 said:
I'm thinking if airbrushing some speckles into my white One X so that if it does get dirty, you wont be able to tell!!!
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I think an airbrushed one x would look amazing actually . I hope someone is crazy enough to do it
Idk but this product pop out my mind when I saw this thread cyber clean
ORStoner said:
I noticed that the back marks really easily and the only way of cleaning it I have found so far is to use window cleaner, but I'm worried it will damage the material. Does anybody have any ideas?
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You could test it by spraying some on an old junk CD/DVD that you don't want. The One X case is polycarbonate and so are CDs/DVDs. The exact recipe of polycarbonate isn't going to be the same but if the cleaner damages the CD/DVD then it isn't going to be a good idea to try it on the One X.
for daily cleaning the DHD official case with microfiber internals is doing wonders
sadly a little bit of the phone remains out of it like 5-10%
I got the white one x and typically use just water and microfiber cloth. If water doesn't do the trick I use eye glass solution. Seems to work fine.
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I have the white HTC One X, and I work building and fitting sheds and gates ( so a lot of dirt ). I picked up my phone after a days work and the back just got covered in dirt finger prints/smudges, and i know this sounds ridiculous, but the next day they were all gone and the phone was as clean as new... Thanks HTC for the self cleaning phone
ORStoner said:
Hi!
I'm an owner of the HTC One X and I'm also a clean freak!
I noticed that the back marks really easily and the only way of cleaning it I have found so far is to use window cleaner, but I'm worried it will damage the material. Does anybody have any ideas?
Also, dust and dirt get into the gaps between the screen and the bezel, as well as inside the front facing camera. Once again, any ideas?
I'd be happy to hear any suggestions or any other troubles people have had cleaning it.
Thank you!
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Try using 3M lint remover.
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wayne56 said:
I have the white HTC One X, and I work building and fitting sheds and gates ( so a lot of dirt ). I picked up my phone after a days work and the back just got covered in dirt finger prints/smudges, and i know this sounds ridiculous, but the next day they were all gone and the phone was as clean as new... Thanks HTC for the self cleaning phone
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and there goes my worries about getting the white one because it might get dirty very quickly
zekit said:
and there goes my worries about getting the white one because it might get dirty very quickly
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The only time I have noticed it got dirty was the first time taking it into work, once it 'self cleaned' it has never had dirt smudges on it since ( not from memory anyway), strange I know, I'm not mad...
OP, Google a product called Cyber Clean. It's similar to silly puddy. You smear it on your phone. Once you remove the goo, it picks up most of the hard to reach dust particles. You can get it at most computer stores.
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I was using some liquid eyeglass cleaner on my screen and some must have leaked in to the display. A dark grey blob started from the left of the display and gradually began moving toward the center, shrinking as it made its way across the screen. It ended up disappearing overnight and there's no sign that it was ever there. Moral of the story? 1) Be careful with liquid cleaners and 2) the display's not entirely or well sealed.
I noticed today that just above the bottom end of the volume rocker, between that and where the screen sits, there was a slight, sharp bump in the polycarbonate. I have managed to smooth it out some what by gently shaving it down with a sharp blade.
So i was wondering, Has anyone else noticed any defects in the casing. Things like sharp ridges, bumps or burr's?
I've not noticed anything on my phone but somebody else on this forum did have one where there was a very thin crack or molding line on one of the corners. They had it replaced IIRC.
My first one had a couple of "air bubbles" in the casing. They were very small. There was also a dark dot on the white surface on the back. I didn't swap the unit out for this..it had other problems.
The one I have now seems to be free of defects. But I did read other reports with similar things.
Perfection....not!
OK, so I'm not the only one. I guess i do have the plus side of i didn't get a white one so if there is any marks on the casing they won't show up as easily.
M3PH said:
I noticed today that just above the bottom end of the volume rocker, between that and where the screen sits, there was a slight, sharp bump in the polycarbonate. I have managed to smooth it out some what by gently shaving it down with a sharp blade.
So i was wondering, Has anyone else noticed any defects in the casing. Things like sharp ridges, bumps or burr's?
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I have a sharp bump/ imperfection on right below the microUSB slot. Good thing its virtually invisible unless you look for it.
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bimmerboii said:
I have a sharp bump/ imperfection on right below the microUSB slot. Good thing its virtually invisible unless you look for it.
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I only noticed the one i had because my finger brsuhed over it. I would guess it's a burr from the molding process but then it would be in the same place on every device. Although if there are different molds for the grey/black and white ones then it may just be what i suspect.
As i said in an earlier post, you can get rid of it by using a sharp blade and running of it the bump gently a couple of times to shave it down
Could you post some pictures?
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mzaza said:
Could you post some pictures?
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I would but it doesn't show up so there isn't much point.
Wont it show up in proper lightning angle?
I have on the back a small line which you can see only when holding the phone in proper lightning angle. It's hard to see, I had the phone for 15 days but I just noticed it today.
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It's on the opposite side to the dock pins.
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Wont it show up in proper lightning angle?
I have on the back a small line which you can see only when holding the phone in proper lightning angle. It's hard to see, I had the phone for 15 days but I just noticed it today.
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Nope. I was taking some shots of it today for a review i've done for installornot.com (link in my sig) and it just didn't show up.
But i can describe it as left over from plastic from an injection moulding process. You know how when plastic is injection moulded it leaves a sort of spike where the plastic was injected into the mould. It was exactly like that.
Ah! I've got that too plus the one in the opposite side of the dock I was explaining in the previous post.
Has any one found the same problem, the line on the back?
EDIT: I think it's the borders of the battery because I can see similar lines in proper lightning around the dock pins.
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I've found two small defects on the polycarbonate body: one near the 3.5mm jack plug, like a small imperfection such as if the body was hit by something thin like a blade, and another one almost invisible on the left side.. Oh, there is also a very little gray dot on the bottom, but this is really invisible to the most people
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Ah! I've got that too plus the one in the opposite side of the dock I was explaining in the previous post.
Has any one found the same problem, the line on the back?
EDIT: I think it's the borders of the battery because I can see similar lines in proper lightning around the dock pins.
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The moulding of these cases is really not all that precise but also partly due to the fact that the casing is heated to "glue" bits of plastic and components to the inside back of the case.
I have seen on the white version if you hold it under a spot light and look along its length so you can clearly see the matte mottled effect on the back...then slowly tip the phone back and forth and you will see two horizontal lines running left to right. One a bit above the HTC logo, and one near the speaker grill. It roughly conforms to where the battery is. I also notice that for the line above the HTC logo, towards the right, the moulding dips in ever so slightly. ONce again looking at the inside back, there is some kind of component fixed there. So the cases are just not that precise I'm afraid. Check some of the teardown pictures so you can see the inside of the back casing and you will understand what I mean. It is not just a shell, but an intricate moulding of internal bits as well.
When I first noticed this I was worried if the polycarbonate case was melting due to the heat in the phone. But I googled and found that polycarbonate doesn't start becoming soft until at least 130 degrees C, so it isn't going to be melting!
Your post made me feel better now
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The moulding of these cases is really not all that precise but also partly due to the fact that the casing is heated to "glue" bits of plastic and components to the inside back of the case.
I have seen on the white version if you hold it under a spot light and look along its length so you can clearly see the matte mottled effect on the back...then slowly tip the phone back and forth and you will see two horizontal lines running left to right. One a bit above the HTC logo, and one near the speaker grill. It roughly conforms to where the battery is. I also notice that for the line above the HTC logo, towards the right, the moulding dips in ever so slightly. ONce again looking at the inside back, there is some kind of component fixed there. So the cases are just not that precise I'm afraid. Check some of the teardown pictures so you can see the inside of the back casing and you will understand what I mean. It is not just a shell, but an intricate moulding of internal bits as well.
When I first noticed this I was worried if the polycarbonate case was melting due to the heat in the phone. But I googled and found that polycarbonate doesn't start becoming soft until at least 130 degrees C, so it isn't going to be melting!
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Good work there lad.
So, stupidly enough, I managed to drop my nexus 7 on pavement. Even though it had a case on it, the edge still managed to get chipped. It really annoys me, and I was wondering if anyone has had the same problem and came up with a quick solution to make it look somewhat nicer. It's not a huge deal, but I figured I'd reach out to you guys to see if anyone had a fix. Thanks! A picture of the damage is attached. Ignore all the other little bits of dust; it's magnified in the picture. Sorry for the blurriness too.
Short of outright replacement, I'd probably use colored epoxy clay. Mix it, mold it and let it harden. Not sure about how long it would adhere.
zam..
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So this one dropped and didn't break or crack the glass, others, accordingly to users here, crack and break out of air.
Yea, now all those stories start to make sense and this tablet isn't that bad afterall.
I just dropped mine today from chest height (had it in my chest pocket on my coat) onto some steel. Nothing broken. Just a slight ding near the volume button. I've had it less than 24 hours
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I would get a poetic graphgrip.
dkryder said:
I would get a poetic graphgrip.
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I know that this post is a bit old.... but it came up on a search...
I have ended up with a similar type of chip on the side of my N7 2013. Except -- I didn't drop it. Nor has anyone else touched it. It just appeared out of the blue, indeed, with a Poetic Graphgrip installed.
It appears that the plastic around the bezel is quite brittle on this one.
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I know that this post is a bit old.... but it came up on a search...
I have ended up with a similar type of chip on the side of my N7 2013. Except -- I didn't drop it. Nor has anyone else touched it. It just appeared out of the blue, indeed, with a Poetic Graphgrip installed.
It appears that the plastic around the bezel is quite brittle on this one.
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For the short time I've been a member here one of the things that has fascinated me the most is how two members can experience the direct opposite and neither members experience negates the other. I put my graphgrip on 2 days after buying my device in early sept 2013 and have dropped my unit twice on a hard surface on a thin edge since. My unit has no damage and I attribute that to the poetic. Yet reading that a device spontaneously chips an edge while wearing a graphgrip does not surprise me in the least. I am just happy that such activity has not been my experience.
Hey friends,
I'm holding an HTC 10 in my hands right now after I had the s7e briefly for a couple of days a month ago I decided to take it back and wait for the HTC 10.
Finally I got mine 4 days ago and I have mixed feelings about it. Obviously the s7 edge is better in the display, battery and camera department. The main reason why I returned the s7e is the stupid edged screen which I found irritating to handle and I didn't like how the display curves around the edges and cuts of text in some apps. The bending of light around the edges also irritated me.
The HTC 10 is one great device and I love the decide in general except for a few minor points. The camera is not as quick.
Still I find myself somehow tempted to switch back to the s7e but I am afraid I'll regret it again... Ohhhh ocd.
Maybe you can give me some good reasons why you chose the HTC over the s7e?
Thanks!
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To me
-HTC is better screen, but thats a preference in what you like.
-S7Edge screen can be fix with a case, I got the Ringke fusion clear case and I dont hit buttons inadvertently when I type anymore.
-The edge can be turn off.
-If you dont like the edge, get the regular S7 with exynos processor.
The only reason that people may tell you to get the HTC 10 is because they think touchwiz is still slow. Boomsound speaker is another reason to switch however, you can get dual facing speaker with the S7 edge just look at my video I posted a few days ago.
Ultimately this is what it come down to:
HTC 10
HTC blink feed
Metal
Boomsound speaker
Samsung
All glass design
enormous S7 edge battery
IP68 water proof
dual speaker (only on exynos phone)
The screen is up for grabs but if you like amoled then Samsung is the way for you.
I'm hoping BestBuy gets some unlocked HTC 10s in soon or I'll have to grab a Galaxy.
The number one reason I want an HTC 10 over a GS7 is build quality. The all glass construction of the GS7 is a disaster waiting to happen.
I've read far to many horror stories, not to mention all the drop videos, showing what happens when they hit the ground, even carpet.
I'm kind of in the same boat. I actually have both the S7 and the HTC 10 on my desk right now. There are a lot of things that I like about each one, but I'm torn between which to keep.
S7 Pros
- 5x5 app grid
- Volume and power buttons on the opposite sides of the phone
- Headphone jack at the bottom
- Quick settings accessible with one swipe
- FM radio
HTC 10 Pros
- Faster fingerprint reader
- "Capacitive" home button
- Cleaner Sense interface
- BoomSound
- Finally good camera
I like that the S7 is a little smaller and easier to manage with one hand, and Touchwiz seems to be a lot more refined. I think that HTC actually pared Sense back a little too much with the 10. There's not a lot of Sense left, but they kept the 4x4 app grid, which I really can't stand. On a 5.2" screen, it's really a total waste of space, and from what I can tell, the only way to fix that is to install a custom ROM, which I don't want to do until I'm sure I want to keep it. I'm also struggling because I feel like my S7 may have a defective display. The whites are kind of off and whenever I angle the phone slightly off center, the display gets a blue tint to it. I've never had an AMOLED display before, so I don't know if this is just how they are, or I have a bad one.
Any advice?
exxi said:
Hey friends,
I'm holding an HTC 10 in my hands right now after I had the s7e briefly for a couple of days a month ago I decided to take it back and wait for the HTC 10.
Finally I got mine 4 days ago and I have mixed feelings about it. Obviously the s7 edge is better in the display, battery and camera department. The main reason why I returned the s7e is the stupid edged screen which I found irritating to handle and I didn't like how the display curves around the edges and cuts of text in some apps. The bending of light around the edges also irritated me.
The HTC 10 is one great device and I love the decide in general except for a few minor points. The camera is not as quick.
Still I find myself somehow tempted to switch back to the s7e but I am afraid I'll regret it again... Ohhhh ocd.
Maybe you can give me some good reasons why you chose the HTC over the s7e?
Thanks!
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If you liked the S7e but hated the edges, why not just get the S7 and be done with it? You're in an htc section so you're going to get biased opinions.
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Sammae7 said:
I'm hoping BestBuy gets some unlocked HTC 10s in soon or I'll have to grab a Galaxy.
The number one reason I want an HTC 10 over a GS7 is build quality. The all glass construction of the GS7 is a disaster waiting to happen.
I've read far to many horror stories, not to mention all the drop videos, showing what happens when they hit the ground, even carpet.
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thats what a case is for. are you going to carry your HTC naked?
I drop my S7E once or twice about 4-5ft with a ringke fusion clear case and no damage at all.
I always use a case.
Just stating what I've learned from some research. There is also a topic in the GS7 forum concerning the camera glass cracking out of nowhere.
Regardless, I don't want to spend $700 on a device and worry about the entire phone shattering. Worrying about the screen on phones is enough.
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I always use a case.
Just stating what I've learned from some research. There is also a topic in the GS7 forum concerning the camera glass cracking out of nowhere.
Regardless, I don't want to spend $700 on a device and worry about the entire phone shattering. Worrying about the screen on phones is enough.
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if you use a case then how is it gonna crack?
thats like saying regardless if you have a case on the HTC 10 or not its gonna dent or scratch if you drop it. doesnt make sense.
A case will protect metal from scratching/denting much better than it will against glass breaking. Glass is far more fragile.
Last winter I slipped with my phone in my hand. My phone slammed into the ground and the case slipped off one corner. It left a scuff mark on my phone. The GS7 would have shattered. Case or not, it's simply more fragile due to its build material.
I'm not calling it a bad device, just a fragile one, like the all glass IPhone before it.
Updates are important to me. Camera is second but it's okay. The HTC camera isn't very good IMO. And when I say "isn't good" I mean not a convenient camera. It takes great shots and what not but there's no oleophobic coating on the lens so smudges affect the image more. It's just unreliable for me for the auto photographer like me.
Battery could be better but for me it could be an app draining it.
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Sammae7 said:
A case will protect metal from scratching/denting much better than it will against glass breaking. Glass is far more fragile.
Last winter I slipped with my phone in my hand. My phone slammed into the ground and the case slipped off one corner. It left a scuff mark on my phone. The GS7 would have shattered. Case or not, it's simply more fragile due to its build material.
I'm not calling it a bad device, just a fragile one, like the all glass IPhone before it.
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the problem lies in that you have a crappy case, not that the glass breaks and you have a case.
yes its fragile material, but if you have a case I dont see how it will break. that being said, I always own the Ringke fusion minimal clear case, drop my phone (S6, note 5 and S7 edge) several time, nothing happen. granted the HTC 10 wont shatter but it'll leave a dent or it'll scratch and it'll be a sore eye regardless.
Dude....if you have second thoughts about it, just return it already. Grown ups do not ask these childish question.
Hi All,
I need some info from people who have been using the fold for quite some time now.
I just got the fold 2 and that is my first folding phone.
I got to be honest: I've been using it unfolded and I've been keeping it unfolded most of the time because im afraid that keeping it close would increase the crease.
So, you that you have used this type of folding phones for many months, could you give me some suggestions? Do you keep it unfolded when not in use/charging or you just keep it folded when not using it?
For the latter: no issues with the crease.. have you notice any increase of the crease?
Thanks
I've had the Galaxy fold for 4 months now and I do fold/unfold quite a lot every day and I can tell you that the crease has remained identical. Don't read too much into the YouTube reviewer hype, the screen is plastic and it won't crease like folded leather does with stretch mark. What I did notice tho is that you'll get lots of microscratches, but unless you're pointing your screen towards a light bulb, you can't see them as they're very superficial. That's with the first gen fold tho, so the second one might be better in that regard. And I treat the phone like a baby with utmost care.
I tend to agree with the above response. +1.
I have the og Fold now since january and sleep every night with it open. Actually, I keep it open at all times at the house and only close it when I'm "on the road." I'm sure thats overkill. No issues since day one and dont really know why I'm in that habit of keeping it open at the house. lol.
As far as the tiny scratches, thats from wiping down too hard with a dirty micro fiber. Ive seen this before on other device's screens, and in a great example, Oakley sunglasses. Those cheap a*s plastic lenses get scratched just looking thru them.
The KEY would be to only use a completely clean and dry microfiber cloth and apply literally hardly any pressure making time to constantly shake the rag and use different parts of it as you "brush" the screen. RIDICULOUS, I know, but the ONLY way to keep those tiny scratches at bay.
And hes right, They can only be noticed when the screen is OFF and at a crazy angle with reading glasses on...lol.. Really a non-issue, if you ask me.
Iv had fold first gen since 4th Feb and it still ok no scratches nothing at all
I have had the Fold for nearly a year. I keep it closed most of the time but open it several times a day, the crease is actually the same as it was on day 1 as far as I can see. Neither screen has got any blemishes/ scratches, I am generally pretty careful about it to the point that if I am working in a dirty/ dusty environment I use my Pixel instead. At all other times, I use the Fold.
Some feedback
Been using my Fold for almost 1 year (I have the 5G variant) and looks the same as first day. The hinge mechanism maybe a bit less firm than when I bought it but fully functional and very reliable. The only thing I have never manged to find is a GOOD screen protector. I always use one not to scratch the screens' delicate surface and I went through many and they all suck.. scratch easily, start peeling and distort the image and produce streaks at pixel level.. I've tried like, 10. Other than that, best phone I've ever owned and will not upgrade to the Fold 2 because its too incremental. Will wait for the Fold 3 and see if there are truly major changes, namely the device being thinner and the screen really more resistant.
Still all stock under Android 10 and want to root it but not sure whats the best way to do it or if I can even get TWRP on my model. Worrying about screwing it up, nut really would love to root it.
All in all, awesome phone!
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Been using my Fold for almost 1 year (I have the 5G variant) and looks the same as first day. The hinge mechanism maybe a bit less firm than when I bought it but fully functional and very reliable. The only thing I have never manged to find is a GOOD screen protector. I always use one not to scratch the screens' delicate surface and I went through many and they all suck.. scratch easily, start peeling and distort the image and produce streaks at pixel level.. I've tried like, 10. Other than that, best phone I've ever owned and will not upgrade to the Fold 2 because its too incremental. Will wait for the Fold 3 and see if there are truly major changes, namely the device being thinner and the screen really more resistant.
Still all stock under Android 10 and want to root it but not sure whats the best way to do it or if I can even get TWRP on my model. Worrying about screwing it up, nut really would love to root it.
All in all, awesome phone!
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153860911539 try thus link i bought it works good easy to peel off aswel
liggerz87 said:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153860911539 try thus link i bought it works good easy to peel off aswel
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Thanks a lot for the tip, I'll give it a try
I had to take it off had it for a while I suggest getting the 2 pack as was bit difficult to get on only took it off as had a black spot a smoke nearly burnt it lol screen was fine under neath
I've had the Fold since Oct 27, 2019. I constantly close and open it all day. I was also experiencing tiny scratches on the inside screen for no reason and decided to start using a screen protector for about ten months. But the crease did not increase one bit.
About two weeks ago I using dex to watch a movie one morning and the hdmi cable hit my inner screen and created dead pixels. I took it to a samsung repair center and they replaced it for free, and the hinge, along with a factor installed screen protector that wasn't originally there. It's like having a new phone! But I would definitely recommend closing it once you set the phone down.
murdok83 said:
Hi All,
I need some info from people who have been using the fold for quite some time now.
I just got the fold 2 and that is my first folding phone.
I got to be honest: I've been using it unfolded and I've been keeping it unfolded most of the time because im afraid that keeping it close would increase the crease.
So, you that you have used this type of folding phones for many months, could you give me some suggestions? Do you keep it unfolded when not in use/charging or you just keep it folded when not using it?
For the latter: no issues with the crease.. have you notice any increase of the crease?
Thanks
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Do you also put plastic covers on your couches and leave the paper floor mats when you get your car washed? Just use the damn device you paid money for.