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[Q] AT&T and Radios on CM 7

First off, a real big thanks/"you the man!" etc. to Cyanogen for CM 7. Finally took the plunge and rooted my phone, warranty be damned. Let's just say I had an older Aria (which had already been rooted) as my training wheels, and it certainly was nice, but nowhere near as nice as the DZ/Vision.
So let me get my specs out of the way:
Baseband Version: 12.28e.60.140fU_26.04.02.17_M2 (I gather the bold part is what we refer to as the radio version).
Kernel Version: 2.6.32.28-cyanogenmod-g4free2e [email protected] #1
Using CM 7.0.3
Now in running Speed Test, I'm getting about, ranging from .45 Mbps, going as high as 1.60 Mbps in terms of download with upload being only slightly behind, sometimes being even. Now the results don't make sense, and I know I've gotten significantly higher in my area, and browsing does seem slower many times latesly.
So should I change my radio (again)? I had changed it (probably shouldn't have) thinking I could get more consistent mobile Internet connections, but I guess I've kind of screwed up. Any suggestions from fellow AT&T users?

I'm in the same boat, about to get my Desire Z. Not a ton of AT&T users for the Vision so I wasn't sure whether a different radio would benefit or not...

I've gotten up to 5 Mbps down on the stock radio. But obviously, this is going to be dependent on your local network (whether or not the HSPA+ backhaul has been performed, and network congestion). It would be ideal if you could compare data transfer rates with another AT&T customer in your immediate area, preferably on an Android device.
Only time I've switched radios, was when I tried Virtuous, and used the radio that is recommended for that ROM. Did not notice any change in data speed.
I assume you have the Canada Bell version of the Vision. In that case, you never had a warranty. HTC states in their terms that any phone purchased outside of the country it is intended to be sold in, is not warrantied.

I am on 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.18_M3 CM7
I get 1~1.5 MB/s Down and <1 MB/s during peak hours. At 3am in the morning i get 3-4mb/s Down and 1.35 mb/s up. This is from an Suburban area too...
Once I get into the SF City CBD area during 8am hours i get 300kb down lol. And all my data no longer work.
Also I have an iphone 4. It makes no difference when i switch the sims. Same data speed.
I used to use RUU_Vision_Hutch_AUS_1.85.861.3 when i had issues with 3g dropping to edge all the time.

redpoint73 said:
I've gotten up to 5 Mbps down on the stock radio. But obviously, this is going to be dependent on your local network (whether or not the HSPA+ backhaul has been performed, and network congestion). It would be ideal if you could compare data transfer rates with another AT&T customer in your immediate area, preferably on an Android device.
Only time I've switched radios, was when I tried Virtuous, and used the radio that is recommended for that ROM. Did not notice any change in data speed.
I assume you have the Canada Bell version of the Vision. In that case, you never had a warranty. HTC states in their terms that any phone purchased outside of the country it is intended to be sold in, is not warrantied.
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Really? No warranty, eh? Well I'm going to have to look at those terms again. Not like it matters now anyhow.
Sadly, most of the AT&T users I know are iPhone users; however, there are a few I know I could ask.
Yes I have the Canada Bell version of the Vision; however, I don't remember the stock version of the radio, so I'll have to do some digging unless the stock radio is what's in your sig. If that's not the stock radio, well, I can always try it.
Anybody else (particularly in New England/Northeast USA)?
Thanks again!

I should have an unlocked Bell Desire Z in my hands in the next few days. I'll do some testing and see what results I get.

banq81991 said:
I should have an unlocked Bell Desire Z in my hands in the next few days. I'll do some testing and see what results I get.
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Thanks! Keep us posted, cause I'm sure there are several of us here on AT&T. I plan on testing next week.

Kk, so finally got the phone unlocked/working. I ran a few tests from a few different places and got the best result to be 2.4Mbps down and 1.1Mbps up. I'm not really sure if those are hspa+ speeds or not and don't have my friend's atrix here to compare at the moment. I'm also no sure but he was telling me that if I want hspa+ speeds at&t needs to activate something for me. Can anyone confirm? Or at least tell me a way to be sure of what I'm currently on?

PacoL250 said:
Yes I have the Canada Bell version of the Vision; however, I don't remember the stock version of the radio, so I'll have to do some digging unless the stock radio is what's in your sig. If that's not the stock radio, well, I can always try it.
Anybody else (particularly in New England/Northeast USA)?
Thanks again!
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Stock radio is: 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.18_M3
Where in New England? I'm in the Boston area. Data speeds vary greatly depending on exact location. I get good speeds at work (Burlington, MA), often 3-5 Mbps down (but sometimes dipping to 1-2 Mbps). While at my house in Waltham, its abyssmal, with speeds often around 0.5 Mbps down, or even less. Luckily, I'm always on WiFi at home.

Does your phone say H+ or just H?
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banq81991 said:
Does your phone say H+ or just H?
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I think it always says 'H'. Just tested at 4.11 Mbps down, and it says 'H'.

I'm in California, in the greater Sacramento area. I have a Desire Z NAM that I've been using on ATT since about last November.
I don't believe the backhaul overhauls have been done in our area yet as I haven't seen an increase in data speeds lately.
During the day, I average downloads of 1.5-2.5mbps and uploads of 1-1.5mbps. Of course during off peak hours, those numbers go up a little bit but not drastic. When heading into the bay area, specifically into San Francisco they tank hard, to the point where I'm better off switching to EDGE...
I am still running CM 6.1 with radio 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.26_M
My GF has a Dell Streak on ATT and she gets comparable speeds to my DZ. Haven't tested it for exact numbers but I don't feel a significant difference when using her browser against mine.
Haven't done any tinkering with Radios either, perhaps a project for summer when I get some vacation time...

redpoint73 said:
Stock radio is: 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.18_M3
Where in New England? I'm in the Boston area. Data speeds vary greatly depending on exact location. I get good speeds at work (Burlington, MA), often 3-5 Mbps down (but sometimes dipping to 1-2 Mbps). While at my house in Waltham, its abyssmal, with speeds often around 0.5 Mbps down, or even less. Luckily, I'm always on WiFi at home.
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Haven't had much time to test as the company move has me working massive amounts of overtime (hey, at least the paycheck is huge).
I live in Connecticut; right outside the Greater Hartford area. I plan on moving back to the stock radio to see if anything gets better, so we'll see.
Granted I plan on being in NYC this weekend, so testing may not happen seeing as how AT&T's service is like rhino poop in the area.
(Yes, rhino poop).

I'm on stock radio and I have zero service in my basement. Service was never that great down here, but I always got one to two bars. Can anyone point me to radios to work specifically for AT&T Desire Z users or does it make a difference if we use those other ones (like T-mobile)? I've seen the thread with all the radios, but I am clueless as to which ones I should try.

how is it possible that 2 phones, running same network, different speeds

so i tested two galaxy nexus phones right next to each other running same network using speedtest.net and got much different speeds. one was averaging around 7 mbs, the other was 10 mbs. That's a big difference. how could this be? i switched the sim cards and one was still faster.

wasya152 said:
so i tested two galaxy nexus phones right next to each other running same network using speedtest.net and got much different speeds. one was averaging around 7 mbs, the other was 10 mbs. That's a big difference. how could this be? i switched the sim cards and one was still faster.
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Never EVER run two same network phones speed tests at the same time. You are effectively splitting the carriers bandwidth coming from the tower you're connected to. It's common sense.
Do yourself a favor and run one test at a time connected to the exact same server and then compare.

This is far from scientific lol. You need to do several tests with one then the other and average all the results to get a decent comparison. Even then you could have problems. There could be hundreds of other people accessing things on the network/tower site which leaves you with less than accurate results.

milan03 said:
Never EVER run two same network phones speed tests at the same time. You are effectively splitting the carriers bandwidth coming from the tower you're connected to. It's common sense.
Do yourself a favor and run one test at a time connected to the exact same server and then compare.
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i did not run at same time. i ran one and then the other. i noticed that when i ran together, it got messed up. so i ran the test in sequence.

martonikaj said:
This is far from scientific lol. You need to do several tests with one then the other and average all the results to get a decent comparison.
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i ran maybe like 12 tests. each time one phone was getting higher speeds consistently than other. it wasn't like it was less than 1 mbps apart. it was like 3 mbps apart. i'm kinda upset because the display on mine is much better. the other one seems to have a yellow tint to it, but it's twice as fast as mine most cases.

As said, you need to run several tests over several hours and several days. Then take an average.
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wasya152 said:
i ran maybe like 12 tests. each time one phone was getting higher speeds consistently than other. it wasn't like it was less than 1 mbps apart. it was like 3 mbps apart. i'm kinda upset because the display on mine is much better. the other one seems to have a yellow tint to it, but it's twice as fast as mine most cases.
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12 tests is nothing. Look at my signature and 199 tests i've done just during the first week Rezound was released. Don't be so quick to judge the phone's RF performance.
Also make sure the APNs are exactly the same on both phones, put them both in airplane mode for a few minutes then back online so they hopefully connect to the same carrier/sector. Then try again.

but the phones are in the same location at the same time. shouldn't they get same speed

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but the phones are in the same location at the same time. shouldn't they get same speed
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No.
Read the third post in this thread..
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milan03 said:
Never EVER run two same network phones speed tests at the same time. You are effectively splitting the carriers bandwidth coming from the tower you're connected to. It's common sense.
Do yourself a favor and run one test at a time connected to the exact same server and then compare.
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What are you talking about? lol
The carrier should have more than enough bandwidth to let 20 phones right next to each other get around the same speed (many more than 20, but just an example). It's ridiculous to think that the carrier isn't set up in a way that would allow that.
Using 2 phones directly next to each other will *not* negatively impact their speeds. That's completely ridiculous.

While I agree it shouldn't matter, but perhaps the tower is maxed out and only has 17mbps to give out...
Perhaps they are on two different towers. 2 different Sims.
Do the airplane mode trick and try swapping SIMs. Try doing 1 then the other repeatedly, of the course of several minutes and average.
The current test is too bland to find the culprit.
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hotleadsingerguy said:
What are you talking about? lol
The carrier should have more than enough bandwidth to let 20 phones right next to each other get around the same speed (many more than 20, but just an example). It's ridiculous to think that the carrier isn't set up in a way that would allow that.
Using 2 phones directly next to each other will *not* negatively impact their speeds. That's completely ridiculous.
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Ok, I have no idea where are you from, but here in The USofA and especially in NYC if you try speedtesting two devices in front of the same tower you'll be seeing just about half the throughput you would normally see if one device was tested alone. In NYC for instance we have 4 carriers per AT&T tower and since AT&T is still using 16QAM you'll be maxing out at 14.4mbps. If you're connected on the same carrier/band, same tower and running two hspa+ devices at the same time you're seeing 7-8mbps max. And I'm talking it's you alone, 4AM, no one else on the carrier.
No need to get all emotional over this, it's a fact.

It could honestly be something as simple as when you ran the second test (or whichever was slower) the network was under a bit more stress. It can change every second, so a difference 20 seconds later could definitely be possible. I could run 5 tests in a row here on the same device and get a difference of around 20% between them.

What player911 said. Swap the SIMs, see if it actually is a phone issue. Could be one of your SIMs is just older and doesn't have the newer/faster APN info.
Actually, before swapping SIMs, check the APN info, see if you're using the same HSPA+ servers. I know some people were complaining about slow speeds and went to the AT&T store and asked for an Atrix (or 4G) SIM card and they got their speeds up. The older SIM had the older APN data (manually changing the APN info in the phone works too).

milan03 said:
Ok, I have no idea where are you from, but here in The USofA and especially in NYC if you try speedtesting two devices in front of the same tower you'll be seeing just about half the throughput you would normally see if one device was tested alone. In NYC for instance we have 4 carriers per AT&T tower and since AT&T is still using 16QAM you'll be maxing out at 14.4mbps. If you're connected on the same carrier/band, same tower and running two hspa+ devices at the same time you're seeing 7-8mbps max. And I'm talking it's you alone, 4AM, no one else on the carrier.
No need to get all emotional over this, it's a fact.
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That's weird because I used to live in Manhattan and used AT&T. My ex was on the family plan with me and we both had identical devices (iPhone 3GS, at the time). I'd run at least one or 2 sets per week at the same time and get around the same results in the apartment. Running them at the same time or running them consecutively had absolutely no effect.
Now I'm back in Cleveland and the same is true.
So *maybe* you're experiencing a random slowdown and you're attributing it to the hypothesis you've created. I'm not the one getting emotional (or defensive). It's ridiculous to think that the tower would only have 14.4Mbps to distribute across *ALL* of the customers using that connection. If you think that's true you should probably do a bit more homework into cellular network technology.
For reference, I just asked my father about this (I've been on the phone with him while writing this). He's worked at AT&T for 42 years (through its various iterations) and is currently one of the heads of the cellular upgrade division (mostly installing LTE hardware and such). He suggested you get a better understanding of how symptoms link to maladies before creating hypotheses.

Ever considered the hundreds of others in the tower area who are torrenting, downloading, streaming, etc, on an off many times in seconds of time?
7-10 mbps for each GSM handset is pretty darn impressive under any conditions...
The tower you are using isn't your own personal tower, you know...

hotleadsingerguy said:
That's weird because I used to live in Manhattan and used AT&T. My ex was on the family plan with me and we both had identical devices (iPhone 3GS, at the time). I'd run at least one or 2 sets per week at the same time and get around the same results in the apartment. Running them at the same time or running them consecutively had absolutely no effect.
Now I'm back in Cleveland and the same is true.
So *maybe* you're experiencing a random slowdown and you're attributing it to the hypothesis you've created. I'm not the one getting emotional (or defensive). It's ridiculous to think that the tower would only have 14.4Mbps to distribute across *ALL* of the customers using that connection. If you think that's true you should probably do a bit more homework into cellular network technology.
For reference, I just asked my father about this (I've been on the phone with him while writing this). He's worked at AT&T for 42 years (through its various iterations) and is currently one of the heads of the cellular upgrade division (mostly installing LTE hardware and such). He suggested you get a better understanding of how symptoms link to maladies before creating hypotheses.
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Ok here we go again...
First of all iPhone 3GS was 7.2mbps device but it only had 384kbps upload speed which was so disproportionate and was effectively throttling the user experience and anything over 4.5mbps under the real world conditions was equivalent to miracle. So you shouldn't have any problems running multiple 3GSs on the same carrier.
Secondly, NYC is not an LTE market, they still run 16QAM network, as someone said earlier (17mbps per sector video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73zZtMF95SU) their backhaul is not necessarily as hot as let's say Dallas or Houston. Why? Only AT&T knows that but NYC is probably one of their worst markets in the entire nation. So we have 4 carriers per tower, each one of them is 16QAM, which effectively caps you to 14.4mbps even on a 21mbps category 14 smartphone (video2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYkeSJH5uSM) . During the business hours when millions of users get on those 4 carriers, speeds are slower than EDGE. AT&T is lacking cell density, they need to refarm more unused spectrum, or simply deploy LTE to NYC right away before San Juan or Oklahoma City for instance.
You understood me wrong, I didn't say that a tower has 14.4mbps (21mbps) to distribute to everyone, I said one carrier/band is, and in most market you have more than one carrier. We have two 850Mhz and two 1900Mhz PCS carriers in NYC.
And while you're on the phone with your dad, mind asking him why there isn't LTE already deployed in NYC, SF, or LA before other non saturated markets like Oklahoma City, Athens, etc..
Thanks.

I tried swapping the sims. the speeds improved, but the other phone was still getting higher speeds. my phone was getting around 7 while the other one was 10. also, on that phone I've seen the speeds at 10 multiple times, but not once on mine.

I also went to tmobile and got a new sim card today. at same location, I have yet to see anything over 7 still. I'm pretty sure at this point its three phone.

here are the screen shots of the tests from my phone

True cause of "signal" issues

Has anyone read this article? Very informative.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5254/investigating-the-galaxy-nexus-lte-signal-issue
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interesting read.
For a long time people have blamed their handsets for problems when the truth is there are always a lot of network issues out there at any given time.
Simply blaming your handset and assuming the network is 'great' because it has full bars or a good db is not the way to go.
Bars or db ultimately mean nothing, they do not mean you will get good speeds or in some cases to be able to make a call, in my experience its rare that the handset is to blame

True.
I had the RAZR before my phone. I would bet that the RAZR wasn't showing the correct signal strength and this is what a lot of people are comparing.
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aye it would be interesting if someone ran some speed tests on the two devices side by side to what what the speeds v coverage were like

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jimdurt said:
They still have some issues to work on. My OG Droid gave me a better signal at my house on 3g. At least measuring the db strength. I dont have 4g here so the measurement in db strength should be sufficient to accurately see which phone has better reception.
Give Google time. They have the right hardware. Just need to get the software tweaked a bit more.
My wifes DroidX consistantly shows -93dBm with 3 bars of 3g service, while my GNex bounces a little more between -120dBm(most of the time) to -93dBm(rarely)
Even with no bars and @-120dBm, i get 600kbps download. Thankfully i have 18mbps download service through ATT Uverse wifi.
I do have to mention, my service improved ALOT from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2 update.
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At -120 on 3g your lucky to anysort of dl

My 3g/4g signal has never been better. This phone is twice as good as my incredible.
WiFi signal strength does seem to be a little less strong but nothing horrible. Now I wish they would figure out why the OS won't go to sleep.

Well, Verizon resolved all my Nexus, CDMA, and LTE issues for me in one fell swoop. They called me yesterday and told me that they couldn't provide me service at my house and recommended I switch to a different carrier.
I was with them for less than three days. Brought my Galaxy Nexus and wife's temp phone back to the store, then went to the Apple Store to get my wife an iPhone 4S on AT&T with the plan to stop at an AT&T store to get myself a Skyrocket. While standing there playing with the 4S waiting for a sales associate, I got the warm fuzzies from back when I used the iPhone and decided to get one for myself as well.
It was a fun year with Android, but looking back at how I spent yesterday debating if I was going to keep the GN with all its issues, I think I made the right call for me.
I also forgot how much better GSM is than CDMA. I have full bars in my office, whereas on Sprint and Verizon the phones were struggling to hold onto a 3G connection. Amazing difference.
Anyway, sorry to hijack the thread for a moment. I truly hope that this is an issue that can be fixed with software; it seems like poor reception has become a hallmark of Samsung phones and I haven't seen a software update yet that makes a notable difference. We'll see what Sammy and Verizon come up with.

i can understand the signal strength display not being accurate but explain this...
for one, the signal strength on this Nexus is always 1/2(or more) then what i had on my Thunderbolt or Rezound at any given time/place.... which apparently is explained above.
what isntvexplained is this... my Thunderbolt was able to download fast, but not nearly as fast as my Rezound. on the R, i was able to download 1GB in roughly 5 minutes. ive tried downloading the same file(s) from same location various times(test) on this Nexus and it always takes 30 - 40 minutes.
so if the signal strength isnt being reported accurately i can accept that.... but what about the significant difference in data speed?
i also want to note that on my Reound, whenever i played a track in Google Music it started up right away and could jump/skip forward in a track without delay...
now on this Nexus, theres always a delay before the track starts & when you jump/skip to. buffering b.s.

Your Rezound probably already had the music cached.
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You guys also have to keep in mind that the LTE network slows down the more people that use it. When it was first intro a year ago, it was STUPID fast. Like 50mb DOWN. I remember my Droid Charge hitting low 40's in May. Now that there is a plethora of phones that have LTE and a lot of people using it, the network will be slowed. It still beats the hell out of any other network.

I’m glad somebody posted this.
I did a little experiment in my office this morning with three Verizon LTE phones:
1) Samsung Charge
2) HTC T-Bolt
3) Samsung Galaxy Nexus
With all three phones laying side by side, I opened up the same “Network Signal” app. All three phones we ranging in the -85 to -100 dB strength. There was no phone that clearly had a better or worse signal.
However, the Samsung Charge was showing 4 out of 5 “bars”, the T-bolt had 3 of 5 while the Nexus has a whopping 1 out of 5 bars. Amusing since they we all reading between -95 and -90 dB at that moment.
One thing I noticed different though, is that the Nexus requires at least -85dB before it will connect to LTE. Anything less, it switches to CDMA. I can’t speak for the T-bolt, but I could have sworn I saw the Charge at -95 / -100 dB and still reporting LTE Net. Type.
So, food for thought. Hopefully this “update” that Verizon is working on isn’t anything more than a recalibration of the “bars” indicator.
-Gp

Grannypotts said:
I’m glad somebody posted this.
I did a little experiment in my office this morning with three Verizon LTE phones:
1) Samsung Charge
2) HTC T-Bolt
3) Samsung Galaxy Nexus
With all three phones laying side by side, I opened up the same “Network Signal” app. All three phones we ranging in the -85 to -100 dB strength. There was no phone that clearly had a better or worse signal.
However, the Samsung Charge was showing 4 out of 5 “bars”, the T-bolt had 3 of 5 while the Nexus has a whopping 1 out of 5 bars. Amusing since they we all reading between -95 and -90 dB at that moment.
One thing I noticed different though, is that the Nexus requires at least -85dB before it will connect to LTE. Anything less, it switches to CDMA. I can’t speak for the T-bolt, but I could have sworn I saw the Charge at -95 / -100 dB and still reporting LTE Net. Type.
So, food for thought. Hopefully this “update” that Verizon is working on isn’t anything more than a recalibration of the “bars” indicator.
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There needs to be some kind of way to trick the OS into thinking it actually has the real signal so it will stop switching between 3G and 4G.

One thing I noticed different though, is that the Nexus requires at least -85dB before it will connect to LTE. Anything less, it switches to CDMA.
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I have -86dB with 3 4G bars as I write this. I know that's not much of a difference from the -85dB, but I thought I would just mention it. Also, I've had -93dB with 4 4G bars (no picture of that though).

Syn Ack said:
There needs to be some kind of way to trick the OS into thinking it actually has the real signal so it will stop switching between 3G and 4G.
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My 30,000 foot uneducated view is simply that the calibrations for the Nexus require a stronger signal to both acquire and then maintain an LTE data connection. These calibrations probably could be tweaked, but at what cost? I suppose (assuming my theory is correct) the decision came down to a flaky 4G or a solid 3G... and Verizon chose the stronger connection over the faster one. Do you blame them?
However, when I do get a solid 4G connection... the speeds are stupid fast.
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[Q] Is there an NK2 radio in a .zip flashable format?

Has anyone made a zip for the new radio?

If I have time I will do it tonight. I'll post in in my rom thread. Just curious, why do you need the modem unless you haven't upgraded to NK2 via OTA or Odin tar?

tx_dbs_tx said:
If I have time I will do it tonight. I'll post in in my rom thread. Just curious, why do you need the modem unless you haven't upgraded to NK2 via OTA or Odin tar?
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No, i have not taken the update. Doea the update wipe everything out? Im looking to kee0 things as they are but get the newer radio files due to spotty lte in a sprk covered area.

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Has anyone made a zip for the new radio?
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I have NK2 on my phone and it did nothing to improve my .5 to 1Mbs LTE in a SPARK area. So not real sure this is even worth your effort.

Solarenemy68 said:
I have NK2 on my phone and it did nothing to improve my .5 to 1Mbs LTE in a SPARK area. So not real sure this is even worth your effort.
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Having issues at work. I get the 40+ Mbit B41, its just that for some reason it wants to kick over to 3G fairly often. I have to do a few PRL updates to get back on it. I understand the B41 tower is a little ways away but i know from owning the note 2 that they have the slower B25 in the area too as i used to get it all the time with out issue and my note 4 never seems to connect to it, only B41.
Sprint said they are going to monitor me and my area and send me an update in a few days. They also suggested i take the new update but i dont really dont want start over right now so trying just the radio.

hammerchucker said:
Having issues at work. I get the 40+ Mbit B41, its just that for some reason it wants to kick over to 3G fairly often. I have to do a few PRL updates to get back on it. I understand the B41 tower is a little ways away but i know from owning the note 2 that they have the slower B25 in the area too as i used to get it all the time with out issue and my note 4 never seems to connect to it, only B41.
Sprint said they are going to monitor me and my area and send me an update in a few days. They also suggested i take the new update but i dont really dont want start over right now so trying just the radio.
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Many including myself are having low LTE speeds. I have been going back and fourth with Sprint for three weeks now and am on my second Note 4 with the same issue.
I got elevated to a Senior Tech and he said that Samsung has said there is an issue with some N4's and Sprints LTE according to a log only he and those at his level has access to. He advised having Samsung reflash it. So I took it to a lcal repair facility after getting a service ticket from Samsung which also took a week of phone calls back and fourth. They reflashed it today and it still has the same problem. Near their facility I got 25Mbs.
At home however I only get .5 to 1Mbs and according to their coverage map aI am in SPARK heaven.

It's not your phone, it's Sprint. I've been dealing with the exact same thing for years. They keep sauing they're working on the network but I've seen faster data speeds on disposable prepaid flip phones. Your data speeds will depend on the tower you're connected to. I don't know what's taking so long for Sprint to get their network coverage and dats speeds consistent throughout a region but it hasn't happened yet from my experience. I get around 1mb download and anywhere from 250kbps to 500is on uploads. The speeds on LTE at my house aren't great but in other parts of town it works a lot better. I assume Sprint doesn't consider certain areas a "priority" on their upgrade list. So you can stop thinking it's your phone because I doubt very seriously that's the problem, I used to think the exact same thing and went through several device swaps with the same results. Sprint will give you the runaround and point the finger at anything and everything as well as claim they are working on the towers/network. Well they've been working on the towers around here since they introduced WiMax and the HTC EVO. Yes I've seen big improvements with data speeds and coverage but after this much time I expected a lot better data speeds. Like I said, Sprint doesn't consider some areas a priority and they don't do much to improve or upgrade in those places because it's not lucritive or cost effective due to the customer base in that given area. Now other places where you would expect very good service but only see 3G speeds on LTE, there's just no excuse for that because Sprint has had a LOT of time to get the network up to par with the likes of T-Mobile etc. It is what it is.

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It's not your phone, it's Sprint. I've been dealing with the exact same thing for years. They keep sauing they're working on the network but I've seen faster data speeds on disposable prepaid flip phones. Your data speeds will depend on the tower you're connected to. I don't know what's taking so long for Sprint to get their network coverage and dats speeds consistent throughout a region but it hasn't happened yet from my experience. I get around 1mb download and anywhere from 250kbps to 500is on uploads. The speeds on LTE at my house aren't great but in other parts of town it works a lot better. I assume Sprint doesn't consider certain areas a "priority" on their upgrade list. So you can stop thinking it's your phone because I doubt very seriously that's the problem, I used to think the exact same thing and went through several device swaps with the same results. Sprint will give you the runaround and point the finger at anything and everything as well as claim they are working on the towers/network. Well they've been working on the towers around here since they introduced WiMax and the HTC EVO. Yes I've seen big improvements with data speeds and coverage but after this much time I expected a lot better data speeds. Like I said, Sprint doesn't consider some areas a priority and they don't do much to improve or upgrade in those places because it's not lucritive or cost effective due to the customer base in that given area. Now other places where you would expect very good service but only see 3G speeds on LTE, there's just no excuse for that because Sprint has had a LOT of time to get the network up to par with the likes of T-Mobile etc. It is what it is.
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I follow S4GRU and they also indicate it is the towers that choose, which is frustrating esp. when it seemingly kicks to 3g as soon as i start streaming a video.
My issue is not data speeds (even B25 gives me upwards of 8Mbit which is pleanty for video streaming), its staying connected to LTE.
I at least want to have the new radios installed so i can tell them i have NK2. I want to follow their procees through and if i still have the problem staying connected to LTE then i want a monthly discount untill its fixed (which theyve given before when i was getting no 4G at all in my area.
I went to Sprint in 2010 for the EVO and the WiMax that was up in my area, but its been a long painful rollout of the LTE. The reasin I stay is the old unlimited everything plan i still have.

hammerchucker said:
I follow S4GRU and they also indicate it is the towers that choose, which is frustrating esp. when it seemingly kicks to 3g as soon as i start streaming a video.
My issue is not data speeds (even B25 gives me upwards of 8Mbit which is pleanty for video streaming), its staying connected to LTE.
I at least want to have the new radios installed so i can tell them i have NK2. I want to follow their procees through and if i still have the problem staying connected to LTE then i want a monthly discount untill its fixed (which theyve given before when i was getting no 4G at all in my area.
I went to Sprint in 2010 for the EVO and the WiMax that was up in my area, but its been a long painful rollout of the LTE. The reasin I stay is the old unlimited everything plan i still have.
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I get the same damn thing, start streaming video on lte and then the note 4 drops to 3g, streaming is unusable at that speed. My s4 streamed perfectly fine and locked lte in the exact same areas. All the excellent real estate and I can't use it except on the wifi I pay for. I have old plan that has unlimited data and I'm not using it, note 4... Out

[Q] 4G LTE Speeds

What should we be getting on Verizon? Rooted S-Off.
In Minneapolis area and feel like I should be doing better than 4-7 Mbps.
Tried 1.33 and 2.6 FW with similar results.
Bad phone or typical Verizon?

You don't have xlte out there?
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You don't have xlte out there?
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We do according to Verizon's XLTE cities list
Quoting Verizon - "While XLTE network enhancements are invisible to the customer, the mobile experience is not. XLTE Ready devices automatically access both 700 MHz spectrum and the AWS spectrum in XLTE cities."
http://s7.vzw.com/is/content/VerizonWireless/eCatalogs/Verizon-XLTE-markets.pdf
http://www.verizonwireless.com/news/article/2014/05/verizon-wireless-xlte.html

Part of you city may have it...but not the entire...I'm in Newark, NJ....LTE speeds in my 5 block area from 9am-5pm are only .4 mbps!!! I walk 3 blocks towards the Prudential Center arena..... 40-60 mbps.....we're actually in talks with Verizon to get a cell tower on top of our building as I am in a heavy business area that is at a crawl.

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Part of you city may have it...but not the entire...I'm in Newark, NJ....LTE speeds in my 5 block area from 9am-5pm are only .4 mbps!!! I walk 3 blocks towards the Prudential Center arena..... 40-60 mbps.....we're actually in talks with Verizon to get a cell tower on top of our building as I am in a heavy business area that is at a crawl.
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I expect minor fluctuations but did not realize the magnitude. Originally tested at home and office - about 20 miles apart - and found downloads in the 5 mbps at both.
Random checks while out and about during lunch hour showed some significant variations.
Initial concern was that I ginked up a radio with all my crack flashing but I'll put it down to spotty Verizon service.
Thanks for your input.

I am in the Southeast Twin Cities and have hit 95 down and 35 up.

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I am in the Southeast Twin Cities and have hit 95 down and 35 up.
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I have number envy!! ---
Live in Burnsville and work in Chaska but have not seen anything like those numbers on LTE.
Replacement phone expected today due to VoLTE issues and will be curious to see if the numbers improve.
Possibly related?
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VoLTE working properly on replacement device but 4G/LTE speeds still crap so I'd say unrelated.

That stinks it did not fix it. I would run more speed tests around the metro, but I ran a few tests and chewed through 600 megs. Have you tried other areas in the metro?

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That stinks it did not fix it. I would run more speed tests around the metro, but I ran a few tests and chewed through 600 megs. Have you tried other areas in the metro?
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I checked several areas in the southern suburbs and can get readings in the 40s up 30s down, and then single digits just blocks away. I can understand if shielded inside buildings but seems odd to have such variation outside.
Nothing like your numbers though but also not much of a problem based on how I use my phone.

Ya I ran a few more tests and got some super slow numbers a few blocks away (less than 5 up and down). Not sure what the deal is with that.