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Has anyone who has jumped from a Galaxy S4 to a Nexus 5X consider the switch an upgrade?
I am considering getting a midrange phone to last me 8 months until my next subsidized Verizon upgrade, I would insist on a replaceable battery for a phone being used for over a year and/or costing over ~$400, but the 5X looks usable at $329.
The specs look similar, and the 5X display is perhaps a downgrade, but I am sick of laggy S4 touchwiz, and it looks like installing CM on my baseband S4 will brick the phone.
I guess other options are the Moto X Pure or Nexus 6P but I have trouble reconciling spending even that much for a phone programmed to die by way of non-replaceable burnt out battery.
i switched from a 16GB S4 + 16GB SDcard to the 32GB 5X.
do i consider it an upgrade? yes, definitely. will i miss the SD-slot? maybe eventually. will i miss the removable battery? not if the battery does its job at least as good as the one in my S4, which still is almost as good as new (back in my S1 times i had to switch between 3 batteries).
as you already said, touchwiz just sucks and (imo) is ugly as hell. the nexus just runs so much smoother and doesn't come with all the bloat. the fingerprint sensor works perfectly and makes picking up the phone and actually using it quite a bit faster. rooting is easy, updates come quick, and i have a guarantee that i get those updates as soon as possible.
the camera is just amazing in comparison. the screen, while not being an amoled display does a great job and of course doesn't suffer from the movement shadows i had to deal with on the S4.
considering CM on the S4: well im one of the lucky ones who got his antenna fried, a bug that to my knowledge never got completely fixed or even fully acknowledged. the consequences being that cell reception was only ever acceptable on that one build.
i hope this helps. if it's worth to spend $329 on it for only eight months is entirely up to you.
The display is most certainly not a downgrade. OLED has come a long way in the last few years but the S4 generation OLED had subpar colour accuracy and brightness even for its day.
On the other hand the 5x IPS panel took the top mobile IPS panel spot away from the iPhone 6s which costs twice as much.
http://anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/2
I really don't know what else to say about the Nexus 5X's display, because there's really nothing that can be criticized. I would certainly like if the brightness went up to 600 nits, but I would also prefer that it went to 6000 nits, and obviously that's asking a bit much. As far as LCDs go, the Nexus 5X has one of the best, if not the best that I've seen to date. At this point Google and their OEM partners are going to have to look to gamut as a vector of improvement, but only after proper color management is available at the OS level in order to avoid the problems that have plagued wider gamut displays, which have lacked suitable color management to properly map sRGB content into the wider color space.
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Thanks. Yeah upon more research it looks like the 5x is definitely an upgrade from S4, I thought I had seen some benchmarks somewhere that showed them to be similar, must have been the geekbench site, but phonearena's benchmarks show the 5x to be far superior to the S4 in both performance and display, and not far behind the 6P. I should have pulled the trigger at $80 off in November, guess I will have to settle for $50 off.
Only reservation now is non-swappable battery and I'd have rather seen 3 GB Ram and 32 GB storage base, but should be fine for 8 months to a year.
It's an upgrade even coming from my S5.
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I am coming from an SGH-I337 Galaxy S4 16gb. So far hardware wise it is an upgrade except for the screen. It has a very slight reddish yellow tint to it, not the crisp bluish white tint a galaxy has. Some people like it, I do not but I have heard it can be changed by rooting it. The only lag I have seen has been on websites with tons of graphics (slow to display pics when scrolling) other than that it is quick to move through screens and open apps. Have not tried any games. The finger print scanner is an awesome feature and works very well. I bought an unlocked N5X so it had nothing but bare bones Marshmallow 6 and it leaves a lot to be desired, if you were a custom to and used a lot of the apps that came with an S4 like gallery, memo, calendar, my files then you will need to find suitable replacements. The default keyboard in the messaging app has me all buggered right now, some genius thought it would be a good idea to put the microphone key right below the send key and for us fat fingered folks it is pretty much impossible to hit. I have not experienced any of the camera issues the N5X is notorious for yet, seems to run a little slow but nothing that is a show stopper.
Bottom line. Hardware is faster, screen is bigger with higher resolution, finger print reader is awesome, Marshmallow kind of sucks but that is my opinion, I bought it because it is a whole lot easier to root than the S4 and a whole lot easier to put custom ROMS on from what I have read. So far for me it is a trade off and the verdict is still out on whether I'm keeping it. Just wanted to offer my opinion because I know how much it sucks looking for a replacement with so many options avalible.
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Just wanted to offer my opinion because I know how much it sucks looking for a replacement with so many options avalible.
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My problem is the device I want if I am paying flagship prices nobody makes.
I want swappable battery, stock android, snappy performance, AMOLED, fingerprint sensor, high screen to phone ratio (small bezel). So the Nexus 6P with a removable battery, or a Note 5 or S6 with removable battery and stock android, or LG G5 with stock android and an OLED, etc etc... every device is missing something on my list.
Pulled trigger on the 5X yesterday, just have to set it up on Verizon when it arrives, also ordered nano sim cutter.
And in Fall 2016 I'll probably get the best 2016 phone I can that has a swappable battery and hopefully fingerprint sensor, probably the LG G5.
joelbnyc said:
My problem is the device I want if I am paying flagship prices nobody makes.
I want swappable battery, stock android, snappy performance, AMOLED, fingerprint sensor, high screen to phone ratio (small bezel). So the Nexus 6P with a removable battery, or a Note 5 or S6 with removable battery and stock android, or LG G5 with stock android and an OLED, etc etc... every device is missing something on my list.
Pulled trigger on the 5X yesterday, just have to set it up on Verizon when it arrives, also ordered nano sim cutter.
And in Fall 2016 I'll probably get the best 2016 phone I can that has a swappable battery and hopefully fingerprint sensor, probably the LG G5.
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Why order a nano sim cutter as opposed to simply going to a Verizon store to get a nano sim card for free?
But anyway, the N5X is definitely an upgrade over my previous S4. No question. Sure, it still has its quirks and bugs, but every phone does. Those aside, it's still a better phone overall. Especially for the price. The point made above about having a better IPS panel than the iPhone at half the price could be said for many of the features. When you think about it, it's quite impressive what you get for your money (by comparison of course).
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Why order a nano sim cutter as opposed to simply going to a Verizon store to get a nano sim card for free?
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Only $8 on amazon for aerb cutter and adapter, $4 more than the nano to micro adapter alone which I wanted anyway so I could save the S4 as a backup, and I kinda like diy projects anyway. Was pretty easy to cut.
I switched from a 16 GB S4 I9500 + 32GB SDcard to the 16GB 5X (take the 80$ rebate in NF)
Do I consider it an upgrade? Yes, definitely: More fluid, zero lag, Android 6.0.1 (+ Android 6.5 or 7.0 next Year), better battery optimizations, 4G LTE, Ambient Display (well, ocasionally), MAGNIFIC fingerprint sensor, easy to root/unroot, bye bye TouchWiz!
Will i miss the SD-slot? YES. 10 GB is not practical for store my MP3 Collection!
Will i miss the removable battery? yes, because I will have to resell my 5X in 1/2 years. With S4, a extra battery is only 8-15 $.
What I don't like from 5x?
- Poor speakerphone (very POOR) .
- MicroSD Slot, or 64 GB option
- USB-c port (I have to buy a USB-c to USB-a cable)
- Don't have earphones
- Poor devs support (for custom roms, Nexus 6P is more supported)
EeZeEpEe said:
It's an upgrade even coming from my S5.
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Yes, after just a day with it I can see this is true.
Display: Its great, no complaints whatsoever here, and coming from an amoled. The 5X colors do pop, just not quite in the radioactive way of galaxy amoleds. Colors are probably more accurate than an oversaturated amoled anyway, and I have an xrite calibrator eye if I want to mess with calibration.
OS: great, reminds me of my 2013 Nexus 7. No touchwiz, webpages load much quicker in chrome or firefox compared to S4. Nice to be back to stock android and know I can root easily if I want to. No problems popping in an activated cut down verizon sim either. Yet.
Fingerprint reader is awesome and a must for me on any mobile device going forward.
Performance seems just as snappy as the S6 floor models ive played with.
Got 1230 to 1290 single core and 3550 multi core geekbench 3. No noticeable lag yet. What sold me on the 5X other than xda was the youtubes where the guy opens a bunch of apps side by side on a 6P and 5X, there is one with a 5X vs S6 too, and the 5X does juuuust fine next to those.
Great phone, and at $330 i dont feel as cheated about non swappable battery as I would if I'd dropped $600 on a "flagship."
Oh and coming from an S4 i have no idea why reviews say the 5X doesnt feel "premium" or feels cheap. Anything but. The design is stylish and minimalist, and a case is going on anyway, but even without a case there is nothing wrong whatsoever with the industrial design and materials of this phone.
I do like the aluminum on my XPS 13 laptop, but whatever apple fanboy started the trend of 99% of tech reviewers saying every device that isn't 100% glass and metal feels "cheap" is nuts.
Yes it is a massive upgrade over the S4 which I still have one. In every way possible. The display on the S4 by today's standards is poor. The build quality is much better on the 5X.
joelbnyc said:
Yes, after just a day with it I can see this is true.
Display: Its great, no complaints whatsoever here, and coming from an amoled. The 5X colors do pop, just not quite in the radioactive way of galaxy amoleds. Colors are probably more accurate than an oversaturated amoled anyway, and I have an xrite calibrator eye if I want to mess with calibration.
OS: great, reminds me of my 2013 Nexus 7. No touchwiz, webpages load much quicker in chrome or firefox compared to S4. Nice to be back to stock android and know I can root easily if I want to. No problems popping in an activated cut down verizon sim either. Yet.
Fingerprint reader is awesome and a must for me on any mobile device going forward.
Performance seems just as snappy as the S6 floor models ive played with.
Got 1230 to 1290 single core and 3550 multi core geekbench 3. No noticeable lag yet. What sold me on the 5X other than xda was the youtubes where the guy opens a bunch of apps side by side on a 6P and 5X, there is one with a 5X vs S6 too, and the 5X does juuuust fine next to those.
Great phone, and at $330 i dont feel as cheated about non swappable battery as I would if I'd dropped $600 on a "flagship."
Oh and coming from an S4 i have no idea why reviews say the 5X doesnt feel "premium" or feels cheap. Anything but. The design is stylish and minimalist, and a case is going on anyway, but even without a case there is nothing wrong whatsoever with the industrial design and materials of this phone.
I do like the aluminum on my XPS 13 laptop, but whatever apple fanboy started the trend of 99% of tech reviewers saying every device that isn't 100% glass and metal feels "cheap" is nuts.
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God damn sir, well said. The phrasing at the end had me laughing lol. Good review from a more objective point of view opposed to the trolls lately.
jbdan said:
Yes it is a massive upgrade over the S4 which I still have one. In every way possible. The display on the S4 by today's standards is poor. The build quality is much better on the 5X.
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It's been only a couple days, but I'd probably pick the 5X over the Galaxy S6 so far, from what I've seen in stores. Especially if price is at all a factor, and maybe even if it isn't. My 5X is perfectly smooth, just the experience I was looking for. 1080P and stock android makes it perform better than QHD phones with bloatware.
I came from an S5 and I think it's a massive upgrade. I couldn't be happier with my purchase, personally.
The biggest things for me so far has been 1) Wireless ac (speeds are phenominal) and 2) no lag at all. I went through 2 S5's and both were laggy at times. I'm yet to see any of that with the 5x and I put it through its paces.
I think the camera output is much better, button layout is great (I had issues with accidentally hitting volume or power with S5's on both sides), and fingerprint reader is amazing.
I switched from Verizon to Project Fi last week also. Couldn't be happier with that as well. Going to cut my bill in half.
Luckily I haven't seemed to have any of the issues other are having here on the forums.
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The 5X colors do pop, just not quite in the radioactive way of galaxy amoleds.
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LOL radioactive is a pretty good description. So not natural looking when I compared with the S5 side by side.
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What I don't like from 5x?
- Poor devs support (for custom roms, Nexus 6P is more supported)
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This is not necessarily the truth. There are plenty of ROMs and kernels for Bullhead. Some teams, like mine, just do not release until everything is tip-top.
I have the 16gb tmoblie variant S4 w a 64 gb card, which still has 30 gb free so I really didn't need 64gb after all, the 32 I had was sufficient. It just leads to hoarding too much crap on my phone. I have almost 100 albums on it I barely listen to for example, and TB backups from 4 years ago of **** that isn't even in the play store anymore lmao...
I got the 32gb from the Google store because 16gb is an insult and should be illegal in 2015. Even if you don't have 1gb+ games it gets eaten up fast.
The one thing I love the most about switching is not having to fight with that damn internal memory card partition anymore. What the actual **** was that about anyway? Thank god for Link2SD...
The camera is a bazillion times better, and the FULL camera2 api is the icing on the cake.
I will say that I beat the absolute hell out of that S4 and the screen never broke. It looks like the dog chewed the edges but that's it. Time will tell if the 5X can withstand my butterfingers as well!
Another note, I installed Fleksy keyboard and added the number row so the on screen keyboard resembles what im used to with Galaxy S series, i dont like having to long hold or hit the 123 key to get to numbers.
Fleksy seems to use more ram than it needs though, so i might look for other options. Google keyboard with the PC layout and number row makes the keys too tiny.
Google should just add an option to include a number row in the stock keyboard.
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Another note, I installed Fleksy keyboard and added the number row so the on screen keyboard resembles what im used to with Galaxy S series, i dont like having to long hold or hit the 123 key to get to numbers.
Fleksy seems to use more ram than it needs though, so i might look for other options. Google keyboard with the PC layout and number row makes the keys too tiny.
Google should just add an option to include a number row in the stock keyboard.
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SwiftKey does a number row.
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I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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Maybe a lot of G5 maybe returned but I doubt the S7/Edge as they have a lot more advantage over the HTC 10 such like water/dust proofing, fast wireless charging, much better re-sale value, screen quality, potentially a faster and reliable camera to name but a few. The G5 was just a rushed prototype, perhaps they'll get it right next flagship as I like the modular concept.
dino1342 said:
I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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I used jump on demand for lg g5 from s7 edge and now i think i will jump again to htc 10. Only reason i jumped from s7 edge was hifi plus module but it looks like it will take a long time to come to us. In the meantime, the idea of buying module kinda died on me and now i am thinking why should i spend extra 200 bucks for module if htc 10 comes with a great audio? So yes as soon as htc 10 becomes available i am jumping again. I have to say if i have to choose between s7 edge and g5, i will pick s7 edge fast. I regretted jumpimg to g5 and that was the first time i felt regretted while in jump on demand program lol. S7 edge is that good, it has most of things right and i only wished they had an extra good audio. Only the idea of getting module resisted my thought of returning.
Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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You are like me lol. I liked the s7 edge probably the best phone i ever used but i want better audio experience too among other things. Also i am addicted to phones that are somewhat unique and i believe htc 10 is one of them haha. Just jump to htc 10, that is what i will do.
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You are like me lol. I liked the s7 edge probably the best phone i ever used but i want better audio experience too among other things. Also i am addicted to phones that are somewhat unique and i believe htc 10 is one of them haha. Just jump to htc 10, that is what i will do.
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Yea. I figure if I jump to the 10 and don't like it that much I could always jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus being how my jump on demand restarts in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades.
I love Jump on demand. I feel bad for those who couldnt get it in time.
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jrwingate6 said:
Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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1. Don't be so quick to judge, I'd wait for Anandtech's full review. So far Joshua hasn't said anything majorly negative about it[1][2]. All I've heard is that it has a reddish tint if you look at it from non-realistic angles. Same applies to AMOLED displays. I'd personally be more concerned about getting a bad AMOLED with blotchy, uneven colors or green tint with the shades of grey..
2. Again, don't be so quick to judge.
Just saying "inferior storage speed" doesn't accurately describe the storage speed differences.They're whole different beasts.
And if you're complaining about the storage speed, then you MUST be talking about it in context of file transfers because I cannot imagine what you could possibly be doing on your phone that would need faster sequential read speed, because that's where the S7/S7E is faster where as the HTC 10 has faster sequential write speeds thanks to the SLC write cache.
Here's Anandtech's storage speed numbers from the HTC 10 battery life/storage speed article[2].
Of course this is just sequential reads and writes, what's important are the random 4K numbers because that's what using the phone is.
Unfortunately AndroBench 3.6 is borked on Android 6 and AndroBench 4 is just not consistent enough. So only sequential numbers for now..
But what we can do is look at previous random 4K read/write speeds.
And then we can guesstimate the random 4K speeds of the iNAND 7232 inside the HTC 10.
The previous version, iNAND 7132 boasted 2800/3300 IOPS for random 4K read/write respectively according to specs. But again, not sure in what circumstances you can get these numbers.
That's MBps = (IOPS * KB IO size) / 1024
(2800*4) / 1024 = 10.9MBps (plausible)
(3300*4) / 1024 = 12.8MBps (uhm, this seems a bit inflated)
iNAND 7132 was eMMC 5.0 where as iNAND 7232 is eMMC 5.1, the reason I mention that is because
This new solution also supports eMMC 5.1 with a command queue to improve random IO read speeds.
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So in theory we should have higher random 4K read speeds on the iNAND 7232 IF your workload has an I/O queue higher than 1. Multitasking would be one of those scenarios.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9019/sandisk-announces-inand-7132-slctlc-hybrid-emmc
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9432/sandisk-announces-inand-7232-emmc-51-128gb-and-slctlc
Actually the LG V10 uses the iNAND 7232, notebookcheck.net has random 4K numbers for it. 30/16MB/s read/write respectively, but I'm not sure of the settings they used with AndroBench 3. So take those numbers with a grain of salt.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/LG-V10-Smartphone-Review.158944.0.html
Also if you find any random 4K read/write speed results of the HTC 10 on internet, like ArsTechnica's, I'd take them with a HUGE grain of salt.
Hunt3rj2 on Reddit a.k.a Joshua Ho from Anandtech said:
I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.
In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB. The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not.
By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests. This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.
eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks. It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage. Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.
This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing. There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB. I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report.
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Although one argued that
I can confidently say that almost no app developer designs their app based on eMMC or UFS storage. No one cares what kind of storage is in a phone.
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That's fair, but generally speaking it's more difficult to implement multithreading than not. Using 8 threads for IO is going to be a rare situation at best.
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To which I completely agree.
On top of that, your S7 Edge has USB 2.0 which in real life tops around at 40-45MB/s while the HTC 10 has USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) interface. Which is mind bogglingly fast compared to USB 2.0.
Which means that with the HTC 10 you'll be able to read/write to the phone at pretty much as fast as the storage allows, where as with the S7 Edge you're limited by the USB 2.0 transfer speed.
Aaaaaand inb4 someone mentions "but with 2x2 802.11ac you're going to have 867Mbps...". No. Just no.
You're going to be looking at ~600Mbps of real bandwidth in the best possible scenario with an excellent WiFi implementation (like iPad Pro) which is without anyone else sharing airtime with your device and standing right next to the access point. Add another device or more to the scenario or increase the distance between you and the AP > and you've dropped below USB 2.0 speeds.
Let's also throw in there the fact that HTC is going to allow us to use the Adoptable Storage feature of Android 6 > we can have truck loads of fast storage on the phone, assuming you buy a fast microSD card that is
We don't have confirmation yet but I'm hoping that the HTC 10 would have UHS-II bus interface. The A9 has UHS-I U3 so that's what we'll have at minimum (95/90MB/s cards) but it would be really nice if it would be UHS-II U3.
3. In what ways? Dxomark ranked the camera quite high. Of course it's not perfect but I wouldn't call it "inferior". It's certainly on par from what I've seen and heard.
S7/S7E auto focus speed is of course miles better and ridiculously fast thanks to PDAF but how often will you be shooting photos in perfectly lit conditions where PDAF reigns supreme?
In photos the two are very evenly matched but if video recording is more important to you, that is where the S7 is better, stabilization and noise wise.
Although the audio portion does make the 10 a bit more appealing in the video recording side of things. Stereo recording with noise cancellation is pretty freaking nice, wouldn't you agree?
Of course I would like PDAF for video recording on the HTC 10 because PDAF is freaking awesome but you can't have everything.
4. Pretty much inline with it's size. Sure I would've liked a, say 3200mAh capacity but they would've had to make the device slightly thicker, which I wouldn't mind of course, but in this day and age thinness has been
5. Um. Ok.
[1] http://anandtech.com/show/10238/hands-on-with-the-htc-10
[2] http://anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
Damn dude. Quite the long response. I didn't say any of these things were definitely going to be worse on the HTC. I just said I was worried about these areas.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the HTC display won't be as good as the S7? The S7 only has the highest rated mobile display.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the camera won't be as good? The S7 only has the highest rated camera.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried that I won't get as good of battery life out of the HTC? I'm only getting 8 hours of SOT with over 30 hours on a single charge.
Good point on the NAND argument by the way.
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jrwingate6 said:
Damn dude. Quite the long response. I didn't say any of these things were definitely going to be worse on the HTC. I just said I was worried about these areas.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the HTC display won't be as good as the S7? The S7 only has the highest rated mobile display.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the camera won't be as good? The S7 only has the highest rated camera.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried that I won't get as good of battery life out of the HTC? I'm only getting 8 hours of SOT with over 30 hours on a single charge.
Good point on the NAND argument by the way.
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That NAND argument is only viable in file transfers, specifically from computer to the phone. I personally dont transfer filesvia wired connection, i just use airdroid and give it time to transfer. But in real world performance, The S7 has much better read speed which equates to better day to day use (app opening times etc...)
I am thinking...unlocked boot loader? If the s7 had unlocked boot loader I would have kept it. But I simply want custom roms and can't have it with the s7. The main feature of the s7 that hooked me was ip68. I mean i can just toss any phone in a zip lock baggie and use it but Still. G5 is out. I am still curious the next nexus devices and the note 6 but honestly I am tired of wielding such large phone single handedly it's getting old. I was smaller phone with huge battery, ip68, stellar audio and decent camera and display. I would choose the 10 over the s7 at this point because of boot loader. If that doesn't matter then s7.
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Battery Life Gets Rave Review
This reviewer says battery life could be as high as two days with normal use. He said he got more than a day with heavy use and testing.
http://bgr.com/2016/04/14/htc-10-review/
The screen isn't going to be on par with the S7, but it sounds like the 10 might be the phone many of us were hoping the S7 would be.
I'm on Verizon, and I'll probably jump on this phone if Big Red doesn't screw up the bootloader options.
Screen vs S7 is subjective.
For me the S7 is AMOLED, so is automatically pants, lol.
Having seen the HTC 10, I'd have definitely returned the G5 I had on order, if it had turned up, but the order was delayed to 22nd April - clearly meant to be.
You guys get a bit to technical for me (no offense whatsoever meant), but am I missing something with the screen? Sure, AMOLED is amazing in bright light situations, however I can't bear the over saturation in colors on AMOLED screens. I also read that AMOLED has a much shorter lifespan in comparison. Maybe I've been away from AMOLED too long, but I never liked them.
With regard to cameras, I shoot a vast majority in low light situations, so Ultrapixel wins all day in that respect.
I'll admit I'm a HTC fan boy, but with the M9 I was so disappointed I went to a LG V10. The sound (phones, not speaker) are very good and the camera IMHO is the best all around on a smartphone. The 10 has me itching to make the jump back to HTC. My only disappointment thus far is that they moved a speaker to the bottom. Everything else seems like a major step forward.
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This reviewer says battery life could be as high as two days with normal use. He said he got more than a day with heavy use and testing.
http://bgr.com/2016/04/14/htc-10-review/
The screen isn't going to be on par with the S7, but it sounds like the 10 might be the phone many of us were hoping the S7 would be.
I'm on Verizon, and I'll probably jump on this phone if Big Red doesn't screw up the bootloader options.
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There has not been a phone were verizon left the bootloader unlocked. You'll have better luck buying the unlocked version and hoping it works on verizon.
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You guys get a bit to technical for me (no offense whatsoever meant), but am I missing something with the screen? Sure, AMOLED is amazing in bright light situations, however I can't bear the over saturation in colors on AMOLED screens. I also read that AMOLED has a much shorter lifespan in comparison. Maybe I've been away from AMOLED too long, but I never liked them.
With regard to cameras, I shoot a vast majority in low light situations, so Ultrapixel wins all day in that respect.
I'll admit I'm a HTC fan boy, but with the M9 I was so disappointed I went to a LG V10. The sound (phones, not speaker) are very good and the camera IMHO is the best all around on a smartphone. The 10 has me itching to make the jump back to HTC. My only disappointment thus far is that they moved a speaker to the bottom. Everything else seems like a major step forward.
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Damn where do you ppl get these infos from, i have friends using the S1 and it still works with no burning what so ever. That is 7yrs.
I bet I could spot burn in on a 7 year old AMOLED phone, unless it's never been turned on.
It's just the display tech, the notification bar will almost certainly be ghosting on a phone that old.
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Damn where do you ppl get these infos from, i have friends using the S1 and it still works with no burning what so ever. That is 7yrs.
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Burn in is one thing, but degradation is a different animal. Here's one example: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Again, everything is subjective, but for me most important is color reproduction and saturation, which AMOLED quite frankly sucks at. I remember on my older Notes and S phones, half the pictures I took of family, skin displayed as orange on the phone, but accurate tones on my laptop or LCD/LED displays.
Add me to the club of G5 owners who ditched it. Battery life wasnt good for me. I could never get higher than 4hr sot. I never had bt running or gps either and brightness on 35-40% because auto was always too dim. Device was very fast though. Didnt have build issues but didnt feel like a $600+ phone. Preorded HTC 10 in glacier wooot wooot
Here's one review comparing the 4 major flagships. HTC 10 is #2 and the G5 is last (pretty significantly so).
http://www.stuff.tv/features/smartp...s-vs-htc-10/and-winner-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge
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Burn in is one thing, but degradation is a different animal. Here's one example: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Again, everything is subjective, but for me most important is color reproduction and saturation, which AMOLED quite frankly sucks at. I remember on my older Notes and S phones, half the pictures I took of family, skin displayed as orange on the phone, but accurate tones on my laptop or LCD/LED displays.
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Well even that is no problem, they stil look pretty good, no problems whatsoever. AMOLED is the most color acxcurate display on the market if you use Photo mode in the settings
Anyone who decided to return their s7 and go for the HTC 10, is there anything you miss from your s7?
Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/planning-to-switch-s7-edge-t3371639
I really want the HTC 10 but their shoddy release so far is making me very impatient. I may be forced into an S7, sadly.
The only thing I miss is the wireless charging.
I have both phones currently.
What I've noticed so far that I miss about the s7: it's narrower. With the leather case on it, it's only 20 thousandths of an inch thicker than the htc10 without a case. The case selection for the s7 is so much better. I'm sure it's more than cases, but that was the issue I encountered the most. The screen auto brightness adjusted faster on the s7. The s7 being waterproof... I actually have this cross my mind every day or two, but I haven't been in a situation yet where it would have mattered.
For the HTC, the radio is better. I'm on Verizon, specifically the CDMA radio has better reception for longer. The speakers are better for sure. I'm getting 30 to 45 minutes better battery life on average. It's nice not theming everything black by necessity. The home button being capacitive is so nice compared to the s7. Fluid Android is fluid.
Both phones are Verizon.
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Forgot the waterproof thing. Would be nice to have, but in 20 years I've never lost a phone due to water damage so not a huge loss. Screen on the S7 is brighter outdoors.
I miss the multi window on most Samsung's
I miss the battery life my exynos s7 edge provided. However I'm still making it the entire day with my HTC so it's not a big deal
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Thanks for the replies!
Came from a T-Mo S7 Edge to a T-Mo HTC 10.
Right off the bat, the most glaring advantage that I missed from the S7 Edge was the screen. The colors just pop on that gorgeous amoled. In the days since I've bought my HTC 10 I've grown to like the cooler color temp on the LCD but I'd trade it for those oversaturated colors in a heartbeat lol.
Battery life has been a wash for the most part between both devices with the S7 Edge pulling ahead slightly (3600 mah battery so its to be expected).
Performance wise -- Sense blows Touchwiz out of the water. Its gotten better with each iteration of Touchwiz but micro-lag and even sustained lag rear their ugly heads when navigating through Samsung's flavor of Android. The HTC 10 handles everything with ease and never slows down. S7E does as well for the most part, but the lag is unavoidable in some instances. All of this being said, I did find the S7E to run much cooler than my HTC 10.
Finally, if you plan on making any modifications or if you're somebody who is into tinkering with your Android devices, avoid the S7/S7E at all costs. The HTC 10 is the best device for this due to dev friendly community and HTC's willingness to allow you to modify their devices. The HTC 10 has an unlockable bootloader and some day has a very good chance of seeing many competent AOSP roms. AOSP on the S7/S7E is currently a pipe dream. Even custom roms are a no go at this point and Samsung's knox/bootloader security only becomes more of a pain in the ass for devs with each iteration. It really has taken a toll on what used to be a thriving community for the Samsung devices.
All in all, I am extremely satisfied with switching from the S7E to the HTC 10 for what its worth.
I actually went through the S7, HTC 10 and landed on the S7 Edge. Here's my opinion for what it's worth:
I really thought this would be the perfect HTC phone, and I actually really wanted it to be the one since I think the company has had great ideas in the past that have been trampled by poor execution. My first Android phone was the HTC One M7, and aside from the so-so camera, it was one of my favorite phones ever. BoomSound, Sense, and the phone's overall look were something totally new and refreshing. After reading the reviews of the M8's camera, I decided to pass and went back to Apple for a year. When the M9 came out, I jumped on it, and quickly jumped off after I had a few days to learn all about the Snapdragon 810 and its thermal issues. I picked up an LG G4 next, which was serviceable, but nothing special. I always had my eye on HTC though waiting for the 10.
Once it came out, I made sure to read all the reviews that I could, crossing my fingers that HTC would hit the mark. After I saw that the camera was finally up to snuff, I took the plunge and bought it. $699 is a steep price for a phone, but I managed to catch the $100 discount offer and got it for $599 before tax, which was great. I also got it in 2 days, which was nice considering I heard that some people here on XDA were having ordering problems.
After using the phone for a few days, and comparing it side-by-side to the S7, I started to make a mental list of pros and cons
PROS
- Screen: HTC has always had good screens on their flagships, and the 10 is no different. Bright and vibrant colors with great viewing angles. Obviously they're not as saturated as Samsung's AMOLEDs, but you can set the LCD display to vivid mode to approximate it, or sRGB mode for nice accurate colors
- Sound Quality: While the external speakers aren't as good as the original BoomSound, they're more than capable and produce an interesting sound. The BoomSound equalizer settings also makes your music sound great with headphones. I didn't get to test out HTC's own earbuds though since they didn't come with the US version
- Build Quality: The phone feels as solid as ever, but that's also a con that you'll see below
- Battery Life: I never had any trouble getting through a whole day of texting, web browsing, light gaming and listening to music
- Camera: While it might not be able to quite pass Samsung, it gives them a good fight. Easily the one of the top cameras on the market behind the Galaxy Brothers, and HTCs best camera ever. The selfie cam is great too, and it's actually better than what Samsung has to offer on it's S7 models. My only little gripe with the rear camera is that the laser autofocus can be a little spastic, going in and out of focus when you activate it, but I feel like another software update can take care of that
- Fingerprint Scanner: One of my favorite features. It was really quick to read my fingerprint, and since it's a a capacative sensor instead of a physical button, you don't have to press it down to activate the display and scanner. Just put your finger on it and it works
CONS
- Sense: I loved the previous versions of Sense, but I think HTC toned this one down a little too much. I appreciate the fact that there aren't any duplicate apps like there are on most devices, but I feel like taking out the HTC Gallery and Music apps was a mistake. Visually, this version is a mix of classic Sense and stock Android, which doesn't always combine well. Some of Sense's elements (like the weather clock) are starting to look a little dated compared to the competition too, so the contrast between MM and Sense is a little jarring on some menus. I also don't understand why HTC kept the 4x4 homescreen now that the phone has a 5.2" display. With so much real estate to work with, the gaps between apps are pretty big, and I feel like there should be a setting to go to 5x5 since most other OEMs include that. The Quick Settings menu also can't be modified like it could be in older Sense versions and competitor UIs, and you have to either double pull to extend it, or swipe down with two fingers. If I wanted a Nexus, I'd have bought one
- Build Quality: As I mentioned above, the phone feels really solid, almost to the point of being heavy. It weighs 6 grams more than my old G4, which was mostly plastic, and you can feel it. It's very noticeable when it's in your pocket, and makes a bit of a thud when you put it down on a table. Even adding a thin TPU case to it also increases the weight to the point where I felt uncomfortable handling it one-handed
- Screen-Body Radio: My LG G4 had a 5.5 inch display and was 148.9 mm tall. The HTC 10 has a 5.2" display and is 145.9 mm tall. So the phones are relatively the same size and the 10 has a noticeably smaller screen.
- FM Radio: HTC has included FM radio support from the M7 - M9, and I was really surprised that it didn't continue that trend with the 10. Carriers like T-Mobile & AT&T are requesting that OEMs enable their device's FM chips, and T-Mo just got Samsung to flip the switch on the S7's radio, so I don't understand why HTC didn't just keep doing what they were already doing.
- Headphone Jack: Most phones had their headphone jack at the top up until a few years ago. Putting it at the bottom made it easier to just slip the phone in your pocket without tangling the headphone cord. With the advent of fingerprint scanners, it made even more sense, since you could grab the phone and unlock it before you even got it out into the open. Having the jack back up at the top made me have to think every time I pulled it out and have to flip it back around.
- Notification LED: Back when I had the M7, I was OK with having a tiny notification LED embedded in the speaker grid that only flashed 2 colors, even though other OEMs already had multicolor LEDs that could be programmed using their own software or apps like Lightwave. Three years later, the only thing HTC has changed is that the LED is just below the speaker. It still only blinks amber or green, so there's almost no opportunity to customize
I really wanted to like this phone, and I tried very hard to convince myself that it was good enough, but at the end of the day I was disappointed that HTC spent the last year getting so many things right like the camera and the phone's overall look, and blew it on some other areas that would have been really easy wins. Granted, nothing that I listed above is a horrible flaw, and I know that everyone has their own list of requirements for their ideal device, but I felt like I was making too many compromises with the 10. I know that I could always load up a ROM or download a new launcher, but it would only solve a few of my cons.
Again, these are my personal opinions, and my thought process is that if I'm going to spend that much on a flagship device that I want to keep for 2 years, I need to feel like I'm getting what I paid for. Unfortunately the 10 didn't quite hit that mark. It's not a bad phone by any stretch, and it may be the one for you. I decided to return my S7 and the HTC, and went with the S7 Edge, which rocks a 5.5" screen, 3600 mAh battery, and is only 5 mm taller than the 10. It's also 4 grams lighter and 1.3 mm thinner, and feels a lot better in my hand even with a case. It costs about $70 more the 10 at full retail, but I feel like you get a lot more for your money.
Maybe the water resistance feature, otherwise, I didn't care for anything else. The 10 seems solid, doesn't lag as much as the samsung. I am unlocked and rooted , so it is something I am grateful for after rocking the s7 for only 1 months.
I am getting better battery performance with the HTC 10 compared to what I got with the s7.
Personally nothing is missed I had the s7, now it's my wife's lol
Love this HTC 10
Got the s7e one week to test, before i got my preordered htc 10. Screen(manufacter;sharp) is much better and much more natural than the S7 "comic style" display no matter which calibration i used. Also there are "pentile micro dots" visible while zooming in a white page on the amoled of the s7.
UI: Much smoother, and the stockish design of the ui is perfect for me as i came from a thc m7 gpe. Also less bloatware on the 10.
Cons: thermal throttling seems to be more a problem of the 10 as on the s7e exynos. Hope custom kernel or software update will change the clocking, as it throttles the CPU at 38degrees celsius to 1,36 max clock at the moment.
S7e cam is slightly better in my opinion.
Which fingerprint sensor do you guys think is better?
I had a s7e, I find the fingerprint sensor on the 10 better. I haven't really had too much throttling so far either.
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I've heard in quite a few reviews that the HTC 10 sensor is superior to the S7/S7 Edge.
Alot of S7/S7 Edge reviews describe the sensor as hit or miss.
Sammae7 said:
I've heard in quite a few reviews that the HTC 10 sensor is superior to the S7/S7 Edge.
Alot of S7/S7 Edge reviews describe the sensor as hit or miss.
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Ah, I see.
Just to be clear, I own neither but have played with both in store and I do extensive research before purchase.
Based on the above, I do much prefer the HTC 10.
xperia x root said:
Got the s7e one week to test, before i got my preordered htc 10. Screen(manufacter;sharp) is much better and much more natural than the S7 "comic style" display no matter which calibration i used. Also there are "pentile micro dots" visible while zooming in a white page on the amoled of the s7.
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You have to be kidding. If you set any Samsung phone to "Basic," it is the most color accurate display on a smartphone, period. There is no "comic-ness" to it. It is a true reproduction of sRGB which actually looks extremely dull and boring, but it's accurate. The 10 is an LCD which is vastly inferior to OLED panels in phones. Worse viewing angles, and subjectively terrible contrast since 1700~:1 is garbage compared to infinite contrast.
I find it hard to believe you can see "micro dots" on a 500+ PPI screen. I can make out the edges of pixels on my 6P due to lack of antialiasing, but I haven't tried to on the S7E. Either way the 6P had to be up in my face, and I had to look hard to see it. But there were certainly no visible dots.
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Which fingerprint sensor do you guys think is better?
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The 10's fingerprint sensor pad is too small in my opinion, but it is still better than the S7/E. Reason being it's capacitive, and a hair faster. Samsung are idiots for continuing to use a physical home button, and one you have to press to unlock the phone. But the accuracy rate of the S7/E is a lot better than it ever used to be - especially if you program the same finger twice (something I do on every device anyway). It may tell you the finger is already programmed, but just do the initial scan really far back from the pad of your finger, then it will let you scan wherever you want to again.
Have my exynos s7 edge on sale while I got this one to use. The HTC 10 is a great phone but in my opinion, not better than the s7 edge. What I miss mainly is the screen. I love LCD but the AMOLED display on the s7 edge is quite Good. Don't like the over saturation but got used to it. It's a darn good display. Sadly my HTC 10 display has a pink tint to it and the bottom of the phone has a strong pink tint to it (likely not a sharp panel from the few comments I've seen here and there). So far, battery life has not been great. My s7 was one of those that went long on battery. I can Un plug at 7 am and plug back in at midnight with 7 hours screen on time. With the same usage on my HTC, I'd be charging only @ 6pm with less screen on time. Also the camera is descent but doesn't focus like the s7 edge does @ night and ui wise, I've spent the phone micro stutter much more than my edge but not to the annoying degree. That's about it. What I live about this phone...the damn DAC. Holy crap it's good. Even listening to spotify feels like I'm listening to something almost magical lol.
Small things. GPS takes a while to lock and wifi module isn't as good as the exynos. I have 175mbps connection. I get the full thing in my room with both phones. In my restroom, 20 feet away from my room, my HTC only pulls 50mbps while the galaxy pulls 125mbps. Also, I got wifi in my car while parked in the street in front of my house. With the HTC, wifi disconnects in the exact same spot.
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So. I'm seriously considering getting an HTC 10. Reasons below
Performance on the S7E SD820 is inconsistent
Battery life has taken a turn for the worst
Audio quality is not up to snuff
Fragile construction
Edge screen is visually striking, but false touches are annoying
Simple question: how is HTC 10? Is the performance as good as I think it is? Any annoyances I should know of?
I find performance to be decent. I can quickly switch between 5 apps, keeping each one in memory with no problem. *However* the phone does tend to show quite a bit of visual jank. So not everything is butter smooth 60fps all the time (I'd say around 20% it hits 60fps and around 80% it lags to something closer to 30fps ) I've tried multiple ROMs and kernels to see if I could get consistent 60fps in any but all of them eventually janked.
I've seen the false touches you're referring to on a friend's S7E and the HTC 10 doesn't have anything like that. Maybe the touch latency is a tiny bit higher but quite accurate.
I use my phone without a case because I love how it feels in the hand. I've dropped it a couple of times but I've had no scratching because of the skin I've put on it.
Overall I think is an okay phone that's not worth the $700 I paid for it. Having now the OP3 and other $400 smartphones on the market, meh
Willyman said:
So. I'm seriously considering getting an HTC 10. Reasons below
Performance on the S7E SD820 is inconsistent
Battery life has taken a turn for the worst
Audio quality is not up to snuff
Fragile construction
Edge screen is visually striking, but false touches are annoying
Simple question: how is HTC 10? Is the performance as good as I think it is? Any annoyances I should know of?
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with the device's real life performance and few bugs and amazing development so far for a device which is only few months old.... suggestion would be go for 10 or wait for a nexus device which might be released by oct end and supposedly to be manufactured by HTC itself...
edge screen is a bummer that curves
I'm using 10 and 7E for a time. And with me, the 10 is sooooo !!!! Better. Really good designs, manly, good dev support, great battery. And believe me, the note 7 is sooo !! Ugly... i'm hand-on this phone yesterday. HTC 10 still my main phone for now.
thanks for the info
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I had the S7 Edge and I have to say the reason why I moved to the HTC is for the music player which is fantastic by comparison to the S7 which is oversaturated in bass. When I got the HTC I found it felt like an ordinary phone as I was so used to having an uber stylish phone(S7) in my hand and the screen being much smaller took some getting used to. I have to say its quite a different experience and I believe the HTC 10 is clearly the better phone as it has a more all round feel to it.
The S7 has a way better camera and the screen is marginally better, the S7 clearly hjas its benefits so tbh I think you should go to a phone store and try the HTC out before you commit to buying the HTC unless you intend to have both in which case its win win.
I came to the 10 from the S7Edge in June after the S7E took an unfortunate 3 ft fall to the floor and shattered the screen. Decided that since I couldn't protect the "edge" screen without giving up touch sensitivity, I'd give the 10 a try. So far, it's much better than the S7E was in almost every regard.
1) Cellular/WiFi/BT. All 3 seem stronger on the HTC. I don't drop calls, can pick up my WiFi 3 houses away (S7E was in my back yard at best). BT had weird connection issues with the S7.
2) Battery much better. I don't care that the S7E has a larger battery. The 10 has been getting me an average of 24-28hrs total with 4hr screen while streaming BT audio from Spotify for 12 hrs per work day. S7E I had to have a charger, because at about 10hr, battery would be at 5-10%.
3) Camera-sure the S7E may have a better camera for speed shots and low light, but I have not had nearly as much of the odd overprocessed photos I had with the S7E in my experience with the 10 (in point and shoot "auto" setting). In manual, I can actually get better photos with some tweaking
4) Screen-S7E takes it here with one large exception....you can't protect that beautiful edge. The 10 may not have perfect protectors, but at least there are some decent tempered glass screen protectors. Also think that the screen on the 10 is still a very good screen overall.
5) Performance, I'd say that the 10 is faster response. Now, I don't play games. I use my phone primarily as a communication, music, social media, google, ordering device. I can't say how it'll compare in a game, but in multi-tasking, I find the 10 faster. Could be due to TW being so bloated (even with Sammy's supposed "slimming"). Which bring me to my next point
6) Sense. MUCH better than TW. Can't say how much I prefer the setup and ease of Sense compared to TW.
7) Charging-S7E took a long time to charge even with stock "quick" charger, and if you go for wireless, then be prepared to have it sit even longer. The 10 charges much faster.
There are some things that take some getting used to. First 2 weeks, I kept trying to "press" the home/fingerpring button like the S7E. Button location took a bit to get used to.
Overall, I don't regret changing out to the 10. Great device that unfortunately isn't getting the type of love it really should.
@Th3Bill
The HTC 10 doesn't use sense?
From what I saw it looked like almost vanilla android.
Just for clarification. That you don't get a overblown UI (sense, TW,...)
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@Th3Bill
The HTC 10 doesn't use sense?
From what I saw it looked like almost vanilla android.
Just for clarification. That you don't get a overblown UI (sense, TW,...)
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It's Sense 8.0.
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Have the 10 and opo 3. Opo 3 is what i like to use because of AMOLED and it's snappier and better to hold in the hand imo. Only cons for the 10 is that the display colors are not popping like AMOLED and software is not stock Android but pretty close to it.
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I've come from a Nexus 6p to the HTC 10 and prefer the sense overlay rather than stock android, with the 10 i think they've got it right its more or less stock but with some good added features, I also listen to a lot of music with headphones and this phone has the best sound i've listened to yet buy some distance, got to just add as well the Nexus 6p gets rave reviews but i bent 2 of them IMO they are massively over rated and this phone should be right up there on anyone's shopping list, this HTC 10 feels much better construction than my 6p, i was on my 2nd Nexus by now there's not a mark on my HTC...
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@Th3Bill
The HTC 10 doesn't use sense?
From what I saw it looked like almost vanilla android.
Just for clarification. That you don't get a overblown UI (sense, TW,...)
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Uses Sense. But the latest version of Sense is quite a bit less bloated and heavy than the latest version of TW.
Hey guys im looking for a new phone which isn't heavy on the budget but still delivers (currently using Nexus 5x) and im deciding between the HTC 10 and GS S7 Edge , the 10 is brand new 270 pounds and the S7 Edge is refurbished 300 pounds . I would like to hear your opinions and is it worth buying in late 2017 .
Are you getting an Exynos GS7 or a Snapdragon one? If I recall correctly, only the Exynos model has lots of development because the Snapdragon models are locked down. I assume you care since you're asking on XDA.
Other than that, what else is important to you? Would you prefer a more compact phone or a larger one? Is waterproofness necessary for you? I hate extreme curved screens but you might like it.
For me, the HTC 10 is still a great phone in 2017. We're definitely getting Oreo and the only real lacking point is waterproofness (which isn't even important to everyone). It's fast, has a good camera, the battery life is good and development has been good.
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Are you getting an Exynos GS7 or a Snapdragon one? If I recall correctly, only the Exynos model has lots of development because the Snapdragon models are locked down. I assume you care since you're asking on XDA.
Other than that, what else is important to you? Would you prefer a more compact phone or a larger one? Is waterproofness necessary for you? I hate extreme curved screens but you might like it.
For me, the HTC 10 is still a great phone in 2017. We're definitely getting Oreo and the only real lacking point is waterproofness (which isn't even important to everyone). It's fast, has a good camera, the battery life is good and development has been good.
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The Exynos model , waterproofness isn't a necessary for me , im looking for a better performance and battery life and yes i do like to tinker with my phones i've moded my nexus with root , kernel , thermal optimizations and so on . What kind of screen on time do you get ? My nexus gets me 3 hours of screen on time max with a total time off charger 7-8 hours im down to 10 % , i consider my use as a heavy one because i like to play games listen to music on spotify and chat .
If battery life is your most important factor (performance won't be that far apart overall) then the Edge will probably do better since it's a larger phone (and hence a larger battery).
The HTC 10 is competent for a 2016 flagship but nothing extraordinary. When I'm playing games, I get between 4-5 hours of SOT for example. You'll find that 4-5 hours SOT is what most people report for their SOTs under heavy use.
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If battery life is your most important factor (performance won't be that far apart overall) then the Edge will probably do better since it's a larger phone (and hence a larger battery).
The HTC 10 is competent for a 2016 flagship but nothing extraordinary. When I'm playing games, I get between 4-5 hours of SOT for example. You'll find that 4-5 hours SOT is what most people report for their SOTs under heavy use.
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Okay thanks for your time you gave me valuable information and now its up to me setting my priorities in deciding which one to buy.
I don't know about others, but the HTC 10 has been a pretty amazing phone for me. The size is just perfect, the audio is amazing, and the software, even if a little stale, is fast and smooth.
My only problem with it is the battery. My battery life has been horrible ever since the Nougat Update, and after sending it to the service, I'm certain that this is a software issue. I hope that Oreo will fix this issue though.
If you rely on battery as heavy gamer/user don't look at this phone, drainage is very fast just with medium use, heavy kills it faster. S7 has more endurance
I recently bought a HTC 10. I was thinking of getting an S7 but I opted for the HTC 10 for things that I like, such as, 3.5mm jack at the top of the device, metal body, volume keys and power on the right hand side and type c usb 3.1 (more for the future).
A key reason for the HTC 10 are the custom roms that are currently available on the AOSP side. In terms of manufacturer stock android, HTC Sense isn't too bad. Although I do rock a custom rom (AICP to be precise) I do miss HTC's boomsound, HTC camera and power saving.
I have both the 10 and the Pixel 1 (5 inch). I've used both a lot - concentrating on the 10 for a good half a year until I just gave up. Although the 10's Android is nearly identical to AOSP, the fact that HTC doesn't care about decimal updates (no 7.1) - there are particular parts of the upgrade to 7.1 on the Pixel which would fix some of the annoyances I've found with 7.0 on the 10 - and that the software on the Pixel works so well that I prefer to just modify it with some root apps than run a custom ROM anymore, I would go for anything but the 10. Also, my wife and I had a horrible experience having her phone replaced under their non-warranty 1st year Uh Oh Prorection deal.
I also really don't like that with polarized sunglasses on, the 10's screen is unviewable in portrait mode. Most manufacturers choose landscape mode for that, and the Pixel screen is only black at odd angles (diagonally).
Now the only thing I use the 10 for is music, and to have a spare just in case.
Which network are you on?
I love my 10 except for whatever nougat has done to the battery life. It's decent but not as good as it was on the previous Android version.
Other than that...the size is good, sound is great, the screen is really good, no bloatware and the available themes give your phone a new feeling when you need it. HTC has also been very good with the security updates.
If you're looking for cases, I'd recommend checking Ali Express. They have a better selection than Amazon.
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I love my 10 and all, and I think it was the most remarkable phone of 2016. It was the only real choice for a "robust" phone that you can rely on to not disintegrate if it falls, with all the flagship specs of 2016. The fingerprint sensor is better than the S7E, and the screen colors are better IMO. The camera is great for average use, which is what I can comment on.
That being said, I'd get a Nokia this year. Or better yet, wait for next year's refresh of the Nokia 5 and get it with Oreo and Project Treble. I think this should be any tinkerer's criteria for a phone purchase from here on: PROJECT TREBLE. Phone after phone, I find myself spending my money on a higher resolution screen (1080p is enough), and a faster SOC (any modern SOC will get the job done wonderfully), just so that I can buy into the update-receiving club of an OEM. With Project Treble, I can give up this "forced-upgrade" for the sake of updates, and rest assured that I'll always have the latest version of Android running, either with OEM support or with XDA support.
Cheers and good luck.
Ringanar said:
Hey guys im looking for a new phone which isn't heavy on the budget but still delivers (currently using Nexus 5x) and im deciding between the HTC 10 and GS S7 Edge , the 10 is brand new 270 pounds and the S7 Edge is refurbished 300 pounds . I would like to hear your opinions and is it worth buying in late 2017 .
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Beware the hidden issue with these phones is that they have 4gb of ram and 3.6-3.8 usable. Heavier multi tasking between some apps for example, chrome, spotify, fb messenger, and your choice of texting apps does not go well. I used to have the one plus 3 and it handled that multi tasking like a champion. If you could I would recommend the one plus 3 it can get 6-8 hours sot with the right kernels and roms. You also dont have to deal with touch wiz. Also the one plus 3 has the same 3000 mah battery htc has I'm not sure what the s7 has. But I bet you couldnt get 8 hours sot on it lol
Just my two cents, but I like my 10 a lot. I do run a custom ROM on it, and bought the Sprint version, which can be unlocked to use on any network except for VZ. You can also unlock LTE bands with this phone, so it will work with literally every network that's not on VZ...worldwide.
The screen is probably the best non-(AM)OLED screen that I've used, but I do miss the (AM)OLED from my S5 and Droid Turbo.
The camera does very very well with the modified Google camera by BSG or Arnova8G2, at least in mid to higher lights. In low light you have to turn off ZSL or else it'll be very very dark.
The battery is mediocre. I get about 4 hours of SoT before I feel the need to recharge. That's with fairly heavy use/games.
Build quality is great. Gorilla Glass 3 is just as strong as 5 (just not as thin) but it will scratch on you. There aren't any good glass screen protectors for this phone, so you'll have to tough it out without one or go the flexible screen protector route. Zack from JerryRigEverything named this the most sturdy phone of 2016.
The modding community is great, and other than the OnePlus and a few Samsungs, it's more popular on XDA even than the Pixel. There's two 8.0 ROMs out there and both are very capable daily drivers.
What I want that would make this the perfect phone: OLED screen, bettery battery, better case selection (the imak cowboy case is pretty nice, same with the Nillkin Nature), no low-light photo issues with Google Camera. That's it. Literally, it has everything else I could want.
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Hey guys im looking for a new phone which isn't heavy on the budget but still delivers (currently using Nexus 5x) and im deciding between the HTC 10 and GS S7 Edge , the 10 is brand new 270 pounds and the S7 Edge is refurbished 300 pounds . I would like to hear your opinions and is it worth buying in late 2017 .
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To the question in the title, I'd answer, "maybe" but the latest Chinese offerings look tempting but I don't know their quality.
To the question in the post (10 vs S7 Edge), that's a different one altogether, so not sure which one you're really asking. I upgraded to the 10 from the Nexus 5 (not the 5X) and found it to be an excellent upgrade in the post-Nexus world. (The Pixel cost too much for my taste and, frankly, it's ugly.)
Prior to the N5, I had the Samsung SIII and loved that phone. The hardware, anyway; I hate TouchWiz and removed it from my SIII and Note 10.1. Between greater bootloader unlock hassle and explosions (and the dishonest handling of those), I avoid Samsung entirely (to include computer hardware and household appliances).
That's my thinking that may give you some ideas to consider. My only issues with the htc 10 are the display quality issue (yellow tint at the bottom) and the temperamental fingerprint scanner. (poor customer service and slow updates but those are normative for all OEMs, sans Google on the latter) Otherwise, it's a solid phone with a superb aesthetic, especially the red one and, at the time, it was deeply discounted by htc.
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What I want that would make this the perfect phone: OLED screen, bettery battery, better case selection (the imak cowboy case is pretty nice, same with the Nillkin Nature), no low-light photo issues with Google Camera. That's it. Literally, it has everything else I could want.
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Add to that a removable battery door, so that the battery may be removed completely. I hate this "glue the phone together" style of manufacturing.
One year on, my battery is weak and the performance is choppy. I just put up with it rather than have to reset it all the time.
But I bought it mainly for the audio performances and it's fantastic in that regard. If you look at it as getting a nice mobile phone and superb DAP in one the price now is a bargain.
I've been with my HTC 10 since May 2016 so that has been 1.5 year and these are my experiences
- Camera is GREAT (snappy - lots of functions - great quality)
- Performance has been as snappy as Pure Android
- Updates aren't so often (official ROMs are still on 7.0 and most probably August Patch lol)
- Battery has been a little bit worsen since Nougat update but I gotten rid of the issue by installing custom kernels and great ROMs you could find here in XDA.
- Device quality is TOP-NOTCH
- Sound quality is STILL ON OF THE BEST TODAY (you could use any fancy or higher impedance headphones on this boy and it sounds LEGIT)
pbigband said:
I've been with my HTC 10 since May 2016 so that has been 1.5 year and these are my experiences
- Camera is GREAT (snappy - lots of functions - great quality)
- Performance has been as snappy as Pure Android
- Updates aren't so often (official ROMs are still on 7.0 and most probably August Patch lol)
- Battery has been a little bit worsen since Nougat update but I gotten rid of the issue by installing custom kernels and great ROMs you could find here in XDA.
- Device quality is TOP-NOTCH
- Sound quality is STILL ON OF THE BEST TODAY (you could use any fancy or higher impedance headphones on this boy and it sounds LEGIT)
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I had the revolutionary HTC one M7, I had the M9 and got the HTC 10 on launch day. I am on T-Mobile but I unlocked the SIM and wrote SuperCID and switched to the unlocked developer version. I am using Magisk systemless root with a bunch of modules and the phone just works... and the music quality is just top notch!
i still love mine--HTC 10
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Add to that a removable battery door, so that the battery may be removed completely. I hate this "glue the phone together" style of manufacturing.
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One thing in its defense of gluing, the last THREE Samsung phones I've had where the battery is removable has had battery connection issues. As in, I tap my phone wrong and it restarts.
I also think the HTC 10 has had battery issues where it reports incorrectly.