Hi all,
I've been having issues with my phone lasting nowhere as long as my girlfriends identical one,
I installed Quick System Info on both phones, Killed all tasks.. Not only is my display duller than hers on the lowest setting using the power control widget but the voltage on my battery is 3737mV while hers is 4071mV..
Is this cause for concern?
Update, forgot to mention, this is from a full charge on both handsets.
Sounds like your battery is fu#ked!
There seems to be an issue with the way android reports the battery voltage. If I leave my phone on the charger until the light goes green and the indicator says 100%, the voltage will often report between 4.146v - 4.156v.
Upon unplugging the phone would drop to 99% and 4.125v almost immediately.
I noticed the other day that after leaving the battery on the charger overnight the voltage was reporting as 4.206v and I was able to use the phone for over 15min before it dropped to 99% from 100%.
Minimum voltage before your phone powers off is around 3.6v - 3.650v. So 3.737 is pretty close to the cut-off point. The OS is may report 100% charge but your battery is not holding charge.
I had a battery on a different device that was like this. The battery had collapsed. I could charge it for 24hrs and it would not make a difference. Within 30min of use or 1 phone call it would die.
Does your battery have any bugles, bumps or protrusions? This is often a sign of a collapsed battery.
Edit: Don't write when you're tired, silly things come out of your fingers! Soz!
have you tried to swap batteries between the two phones. That will exclude either your phone or the battery from being faulty.
Yes, after scratching my head for a few days I did eventualy come up with the genius idea of putting the battery from the other phone into my phone!! and after charging it up, set it down for an hour and then checked and the battery was on 98% !!
So it looks like there is something wrong with my battery, This morning I woke up and my phone had been charging for 7 hours and was fully charged, I looked at the battery meter and it said 100%, I turned the phone off then back on and checked again.. 90% ???? WTF ??? just from turning the phone off and on?
I am using CM9 RC1 with 1.2ghz OC.
So, recently I'm seeing insane battery drainage when I am either streaming music through 4G or using GPS navigation.
Battery is drying out from 100% to 40% in 3 hours. I know that this is somewhat expected.
But even after I turn off streaming or GPS, the battery continues to decrease rapidly. The phone also stays hot even after quitting all the apps.
So I decided to do reboot through power menu and suddenly battery becomes like 8%.
Funny thing is, sometimes battery percentage goes up. But recently battery percentage stays and actually phone turns itself off due to low bat.
Is my battery dying?
I have attached screenshot of battery status.
mtwow789 said:
I am using CM9 RC1 with 1.2ghz OC.
So, recently I'm seeing insane battery drainage when I am either streaming music through 4G or using GPS navigation.
Battery is drying out from 100% to 40% in 3 hours. I know that this is somewhat expected.
But even after I turn off streaming or GPS, the battery continues to decrease rapidly. The phone also stays hot even after quitting all the apps.
So I decided to do reboot through power menu and suddenly battery becomes like 8%.
Funny thing is, sometimes battery percentage goes up. But recently battery percentage stays and actually phone turns itself off due to low bat.
Is my battery dying?
I have attached screenshot of battery status.
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The drop off in percentage when rebooting is completely normal... if you take the battery out for 20 secs or so and then reboot it will show your correct percentage again...
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The drop off in percentage when rebooting is completely normal... if you take the battery out for 20 secs or so and then reboot it will show your correct percentage again...
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Thanks for quick answer.
I will try taking out battery next time!
Make sure you didn't have any wakelocks, and check to see If your phone is sleeping when the screen is off with the "CPU spy" app
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its not that old, maybe 6 months old, about the last 3 times that my battery has nearly fully discharged, its not got all the way to 0% and has been going off at 3% but then when i plug the charger in and turn the tablet back on the battery shows as 0%
i also noticed the other day it was at about 4% battery and i wa son a pool game, the screen started flickering on and off, and then it turned off, not sure if that's just because it was on the very end of the battery, but was still around 4% anyway so should have been ok till 0%?
any ideas if i have something wrong or is it normal?
James
The tablet will shut off once the battery is depleted. Anywhere under 10% is normal. Letting your device run that low is hard on the battery and will reduce its lifespan.
Read this: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
The battery meter is not even remotely as accurate as you expect it to be. Its just an estimate of battery voltage versus how you are using the device. Don't expect it to be accurate to within a few percent, or even 5-10%.
Heck, I've had some devices show a drop of 20-30% and shutoff. Probably just some metering error, and it didn't happen often. But that tells you how inaccurate the meter can be.
As another mentioned, deep cycles are not good for the long term life of Li ion batteries. Charge fully and frequently.
Ever since the March update, my Pixel 3 XL's battery indicator in the status bar has been horrendously inaccurate. This is really annoying, as it always shows as having 10-12% less battery than the actual physical battery charge. If it ever reaches 0% and shuts down, if I were to, say, boot into TWRP, I'd see I still have about 11% battery remaining. Across all the phones I've owned over the years, I've never seen such a severe battery level mismatch before. I've never seen greater than a 2% difference in any phone I've owned.
I use the Advanced Charging Controller Magisk module to regulate how much my battery charges. Charging your phone too much is proven to damage your battery over time, so I like to set ACC up so that my phone never charges past 41%.
I first noticed this problem when my battery would stop charging past 31%. After digging deeper, I found that the battery level produced by "dumpsys battery" (used by the status bar indicator) does not match the actual battery level, which can be read from a kernel control file at "/sys/class/power_supply/capacity."
As a side note, is your battery indicator also incorrect? Try checking it running these commands as root, and compare the values. Maybe this affects you too:
cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity
dumpsys battery
(The number you're looking for in the "dumpsys" command is the number next to "level." If it doesn't match, and it's less than what's written to the capacity file, then you also suffer from this issue).
I've asked the ACC developer what can be done about this, and apparently not much, besides having ACC "pretend" the battery is offset by a user specified battery level. But in my case, I would just be charging my actual battery to 51%, even though it would display as 41%, and I don't want to do that. I tried fixing it by clearing my battery stats, charging to 100%, and etc, and it actually made matters worse for me - the status bar indicator now remains at 12% less than the actual battery level. No matter what, this value appears to be linear - it doesn't seem to be any more or less correct depending on how charged the battery is. It's always 12% less, unless you get beyond 88%. Then the statusbar pretends to charge, even though a voltage monitor will show that it is not charging.
I can "force" the statusbar to read as the most accurate battery level by running this command in the background in a root shell:
while sleep 15; do dumpsys battery set level $(cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity); done
This manually sets the battery level via dumpsys according to what the actual battery level is. But this has some limitations.
I'm using a while loop because setting a value like this is permanent - if I don't either continually set it or unset it, my phone will think my battery level hasn't dropped below the last set value.
However, more importantly, setting a value via dumpsys disables monitoring of other battery stats, such as voltage, temperature, current, whether or not the battery is charging, the charge counter, and etc. Just running a script like that isn't a good solution.
So since I have nowhere else to ask, is there any kind of root mod or something that can be made to force the phone to use the correct battery level? I don't know why this started happening since the March update, but it is extremely annoying, and I'd like to put an end to it as soon as possible.
Any insights to mods or tweaks that can be done to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
so im at 5%, but in /sys/class/power_supply/capacity it says 0 .... not sure what's real anymore
I'm gonna charge up to 100% and see for myself what "full capacity" is like
and now i'm at 91% in status bar but 93% in that capacity file lol
If I remember correctly Lithium batteries actually last longer if kept above the 60% range and taken off the charger when they're completely full or maybe a few percent before. It's the lower end of the battery percentage that actually damages the battery if it's kept there for too long. The lower the voltage the higher the resistance in the battery, this is going to cause heat in the battery, so the way you're charging your battery is most likely damaging. I might be wrong but battery tech has changed over the years, and some old misconceptions still exist.
My guess about the amount of difference in the battery display vs percentage is to protect people from this reason. To keep them off of the lower end of the battery because it's damaging to the battery and under the wrong circumstances it could cause the battery to overheat.
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superchilpil said:
My guess about the amount of difference in the battery display vs percentage is to protect people from this reason. To keep them off of the lower end of the battery because it's damaging to the battery and under the wrong circumstances it could cause the battery to overheat.
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While I can see that , i'm currently @ 100% in status bar, but 98% in the capacity file. and it won't go above that currently.
This kind of makes sense given how the battery jumps erratically from 100% to 98-06% too when discharging
masri1987 said:
While I can see that , i'm currently @ 100% in status bar, but 98% in the capacity file. and it won't go above that currently.
This kind of makes sense given how the battery jumps erratically from 100% to 98-06% too when discharging
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What are you calling the capacity file? Battery in settings?
Tulsadiver said:
What are you calling the capacity file? Battery in settings?
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this file > sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity
So, just FYI, this is probably why i found charging it in TWRP to be the most accurate...
When i charge my phone up to 100% in twrp, i boot up phone, look at the capacity file and it reflects spot on what the status bar says, and it continues to do that throughout entire discharge.
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If I remember correctly Lithium batteries actually last longer if kept above the 60% range and taken off the charger when they're completely full or maybe a few percent before. It's the lower end of the battery percentage that actually damages the battery if it's kept there for too long. The lower the voltage the higher the resistance in the battery, this is going to cause heat in the battery, so the way you're charging your battery is most likely damaging. I might be wrong but battery tech has changed over the years, and some old misconceptions still exist.
My guess about the amount of difference in the battery display vs percentage is to protect people from this reason. To keep them off of the lower end of the battery because it's damaging to the battery and under the wrong circumstances it could cause the battery to overheat.
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The OP of the ACC discussion thread has some good links to studies done on Li-Ion batteries. It's a long read, but the summary is that you'll want to keep your temperatures as low as possible, and the battery itself between 30% to 80%. There are also some factors related to voltage that I don't really understand, but I do know that ACC manages the charging voltage to reduce strain while charging. The recommendation by the ACC developer for longevity is ~41%. That is within the 30% to 80% range, and I trust his judgement.
As for the other concerns in this thread, I don't think the difference in numbers serves any functional purpose other than to be annoying. It turns out that the one shutdown I had previously must have been a fluke, because now the battery in the statusbar will just sit there at 1% while the actual battery capacity ticks down, before forcefully shutting off at around 2% actual capacity. I don't even get the graceful "battery is empty, shutting down" message anymore.
Because the battery level reported by the capacity file is closer to zero than the statusbar one (simply because it shut down when that number was closest to zero), I'm inclined to believe it's the more accurate measurement. It's totally unrealistic to believe that the last 1% of the battery lasts as long as the previous 10%.
I can understand Google making the battery report a lesser number in order to protect the battery from the user, but that argument doesn't work if the phone just sits at 1% forever until it shuts down, which it has been doing for me. And the difference in numbers is just insane. Just today, the statusbar reported 2%, when the system reported 17%. A fifteen percent difference is absolutely absurd. I can understand a modest 3-5%, but this is just ridiculous.
I'm hoping there is a clever solution for this soon, or that the April update addresses it, because it's driving me crazy.
I tried this and the results from both commands were identical. I'm running the March update, rooted, and Kirisakura kernel.
Face_Plant said:
I tried this and the results from both commands were identical. I'm running the March update, rooted, and Kirisakura kernel.
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Thanks for letting me know.
This is so weird. Maybe my battery is just horribly uncalibrated?
ubergeek77 said:
Thanks for letting me know.
This is so weird. Maybe my battery is just horribly uncalibrated?
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Maybe it's time to start fresh with a full wipe/format and reinstall the March update? Maybe ACC is causing the issue? Have you tried Battery Charge Limit? That's what I use.
Why would you only charge your battery to 40%? I understand to prolong the life of the battery, but to what extent is going to do that.
You are shortening the amount of time needed between chargin. How much time does the battery last before you need to charge it again when you only charge it 40%?
If I am misunderstanding this, I think it would make more sense to keep the charge between 40%-80%.... Even if this is the case, how long does a charge last when you only use about 40% of it's capacity?
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The OP of the ACC discussion thread has some good links to studies done on Li-Ion batteries. It's a long read, but the summary is that you'll want to keep your temperatures as low as possible, and the battery itself between 30% to 80%. There are also some factors related to voltage that I don't really understand, but I do know that ACC manages the charging voltage to reduce strain while charging. The recommendation by the ACC developer for longevity is ~41%. That is within the 30% to 80% range, and I trust his judgement.
As for the other concerns in this thread, I don't think the difference in numbers serves any functional purpose other than to be annoying. It turns out that the one shutdown I had previously must have been a fluke, because now the battery in the statusbar will just sit there at 1% while the actual battery capacity ticks down, before forcefully shutting off at around 2% actual capacity. I don't even get the graceful "battery is empty, shutting down" message anymore.
Because the battery level reported by the capacity file is closer to zero than the statusbar one (simply because it shut down when that number was closest to zero), I'm inclined to believe it's the more accurate measurement. It's totally unrealistic to believe that the last 1% of the battery lasts as long as the previous 10%.
I can understand Google making the battery report a lesser number in order to protect the battery from the user, but that argument doesn't work if the phone just sits at 1% forever until it shuts down, which it has been doing for me. And the difference in numbers is just insane. Just today, the statusbar reported 2%, when the system reported 17%. A fifteen percent difference is absolutely absurd. I can understand a modest 3-5%, but this is just ridiculous.
I'm hoping there is a clever solution for this soon, or that the April update addresses it, because it's driving me crazy.
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While I agree it's absurd if it in fact is showing a 15% difference, but where is the proof that such a thing is occuring?
I've read a few articles that talk in depth about lithium ion and the takeaway is to charge your device TO 75-80% and remove it at 30. Charging to 40% and completely discharging it is in fact damaging the OP's device and that's what I was trying to say.
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superchilpil said:
While I agree it's absurd if it in fact is showing a 15% difference, but where is the proof that such a thing is occuring?
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I've already given proof. The proof is that the battery value produced by running "dumpsys battery" does not match the actual battery value, as read by the kernel, under "/sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity." For clarification, the statusbar uses the value output by "dumpsys battery," which has been the incorrect value for me for almost a month now. SO's Pixel 3 XL is doing the exact same thing.
Further proof is that this offset doesn't serve any functional purpose. You would think that this kind of offset would be a way to protect the battery from the user, but that argument only works if the phone shuts itself down before the actual capacity reaches zero. That doesn't happen.
Instead, once the statusbar reaches 1%, it will just stay there indefinitely until the phone doesn't have enough voltage to keep itself on.
For example, let's say I'm monitoring the battery level in a terminal. When my statusbar says 2%, the kernel reads the battery as being 16%. It takes 10 minutes for the statusbar to reach 1%, and at the same time, the kernel battery reading will show 15%.
However, in a further 10 minutes, the phone does not shut off. Instead, the kernel battery reading will continue to tick down - 14%, 13%, ... 8%, 7%, etc - until the phone shuts off due to low voltage. During this time, the statusbar will continue to display 1%, despite the fact that the actual battery level is depleting.
No graceful shutdown, and the statusbar never reaches 0%. As such, I no longer see the "Battery Empty, shutting off" message where the phone shuts itself down gracefully.
I've kept my Pixel 3 XL updated with the latest updates and Kirisakura kernel. ACC (default settings) and my battery was doing fine until around the March update when I started a difference in reported battery level between the status bar and system that worsened and grew to 15% or more (I don't exactly remember). Also the status bar battery level would hang at 1% for a ridiculously long time. After uninstalling ACC and a several of charging cycles it got better (and the April update). Now my difference is 3%.
what happens if we delete that battery file? does it regenerate on it's own?
Got the same error with a Pixel 3, /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity is about 10% higher than dumpsys.
Is this why my phone shuts down at 14% battery level? I'll get a notification my battery is dying, check it, it'll be between 12-15% battery left, shut down 30 seconds later, and I can't reboot bc battery is dead. When I plug it in, then boot back up, it only says it is at 2 or 3%. I'm locked down bl because I thought maybe some root apps were messing with it, and I've even tried on q beta, but still early shutdown issue. Not really bothersome as I get 7 hrs or better screen on time, but it is curious....
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Is this why my phone shuts down at 14% battery level? I'll get a notification my battery is dying, check it, it'll be between 12-15% battery left, shut down 30 seconds later, and I can't reboot bc battery is dead. When I plug it in, then boot back up, it only says it is at 2 or 3%. I'm locked down bl because I thought maybe some root apps were messing with it, and I've even tried on q beta, but still early shutdown issue. Not really bothersome as I get 7 hrs or better screen on time, but it is curious....
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I have a similar situation. It starts with 20-25%.
I think this started for me with q.
I wiped my device and flashed factory image to a/b slot. About 3 times .
How is your device going?
RMA is on the way....