This started on suiller's ROM guide, but I feel it's really OT so I should take it outside.
I've had battery issue ever since I got the Diamond. With moderate use (maybe ~15-20min of call per day, email check every 30 min, moderate web browsing) the battery level can drop by ~ 15-20% per hour on average. This means the battery would only last 5-6 hours without charging, which is not good enough to last through a day.
I first looked at whether the phone has any serious battery drain application, and it doesn't. With BatteryStatus I see the battery drain is ~ 100-150mA with GSM on, BT on. When I'm downloading email, or browsing the web, it does go up to 200 ~ 300mA briefly, but that is only when it's transmitting / receiving data. In standby mode with screen off it drains less than 50mA. These numbers seem pretty typical from my experience.
And here's the weird thing - on a typical day, when I wake up, and take the phone off the charger, it can drop from 100% to 93% within 30 min. On the way to work, when I would browse the web lightly, it can easily drop from 93% to 80-85% within an hour. That's pretty bad battery life.
Yet there are instances when I've been browsing the web, or playing MP3, or using YouTube for a good 10-15 min, but the battery level would not drop.
I figure maybe the battery needs to be re-calibrated, so I decided to discharge the battery and recharge it. I know this doesn't help improve the battery life of LiIon batteries, but I was trying to recalibrate it.
What happened, when I was discharging the battery, was I found the battery drop was very quick from 100% down to ~ 50%. From that point on, the battery drop is much slower.
And from 50% to 25% the battery seems to last forever. The most interesting thing is with the battery down to 15%, I did a lot of 3G web browsing, listening to MP3's, turn wifi on, and that 15% of battery lasted a good 3.5 hrs with heavy use until it's so low the phone stopped working.
The whole discharging process ended up taking 10 hours, and that's with HEAVY use for the last 3-4 hours too. That's actually acceptable for battery life (not great, but at least it'll last me through a day outside with moderate use) and obviously doesn't jive with the 15-20% drop per hour when I'm operating in the 50-100% full range.
When I'm charging the battery, I also noticed the level went up from 0% to 70% very quickly ... pretty much over 40 min. BatteryStatus shows it's being charged at +600-700mA.
As the battery gets full, the charging is much slower ... BatteryStatus shows it is charging by ~ 100-200mA only.
With the battery level up to 99%, it took almost forever to finally get up to 100%. I think it took at least 20 min.
So after a full discharge - recharge, I used my phone as normal this morning to see if it's been calibrated, but nope. It still drops from 100 to 93% within minutes of doing virtually nothing, and easily drop to 80% after an hour ride to work.
Does your battery perform the same way? Should I replace my battery? Or is there a way to properly calibrate the battery?
btw location and reception has nothing to do with it. I have good to excellent reception throughout this test.
I'm having the same problem but not with every rom (don't know wich ones, tested almost every rom hero) So is this a piece of software wich shows the live that doesn't work ?? or is it the battery ? As i can see it it's depending on rom thus it's not hardware
But hey I'm n00b
i've noticed that a soft reset or power up will use 3-7% of battery depending on the weather (what else could it be )
don't have the ability to discharge but i agree that in many cases the battery usage drops drastically & there is no reasonable cause
hope someone can figure this out!
From 4pda.ru
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=85754&st=100&p=2338080&#entry2338080
1. discharge the battery completely (by playing video, audio, etc.)
2. Remove the battery and wait about 1min then place it back (do not power on the phone)
3. Full Charge the phone, wait when LEDs stop blinking (do not power on the phone)
4. When fully charged - remove the battery (do not power on the phone)
5. Wait about 1min then place the battery to the phone and now you can power it on.
If battery is more or less OK it will re-calibrate.
I hope it will help!
STM123 said:
From 4pda.ru
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=85754&st=100&p=2338080&#entry2338080
1. discharge the battery completely (by playing video, audio, etc.)
2. Remove the battery and wait about 1min then place it back (do not power on the phone)
3. Full Charge the phone, wait when LEDs stop blinking (do not power on the phone)
4. When fully charged - remove the battery (do not power on the phone)
5. Wait about 1min then place the battery to the phone and now you can power it on.
If battery is more or less OK it will re-calibrate.
I hope it will help!
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Thanks. I tried those steps yesterday and my phone is pretty much behaving the exact same way after the battery cycle.
After all the steps, the battery shows it's 100%. I unplug it, and it drops to 97% within MINUTES literally. Now I plug it back in, and it takes forever to get from 97% back to 100% (> 1hour)
I think it may be a battery problem and not a calibration problem. The drain averages ~ 120-150mA when phone on, screen on, no data, and below 100mA with phone on in standby mode. That seems pretty typical? I'd think the battery should last longer than 8 hours (till it completely dies) in that case.
Where do you guys suggest I buy a new battery for the Diamond (other than HTC directly)? I bought one from DealExtreme but the battery runs ~ 10C hotter than normal all the times ... I don't think I want that as my primary battery.
If you get through a full day with moderate-heavy use on your battery, I say that is normal and good battery life on a Diamond. So, why bother that the percentage is not proportional? I would not get a new battery for this since the problem is only in the reported percentage, not the battery life itself.
I've had plenty of cars that went from full to half tank on the meter significantly faster than from half to almost empty. You know about it and adapt to it, simply.
Hello !
I'm understand you, i have a ELF (Touch P3450), and a Diamond, the same problem appear for the two phones!
Every Morning, when i disconnect from charge my diamond, my level battery go to 93% in 10mns without reasons (One sms, no 3G, no Wifi etc).
My battery go down to 50~70% around 14H (2H pm), and stays at this level for many hours (4-5hours ~), i think it's not a problem with our battery, but a dysfunction of the sensor battery, which shows wrong data =/
By the way, that problem doesn't appear every day, for example, today my battery has that level : 83% (15h43), so today it has a good level.
Since i have flash that ROM : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521941, with radio 1.13.25.24, i have less less issues with my battery, it's more stable!
That's all, hope that helps you.
Ok guys, I've made a few discoveries that I figure I could share with everybody. Maybe you'll find it useful.
Last week I went on a trip and turned off the data connection while I was out of the country. Instead of letting the roaming charges kill me, I was relying on wifi to check emails and browse the web.
I ended up checking emails just as often, because where I worked had wifi AP.
Now, I could usually get 8, maybe 9 hrs out of my battery with moderate use before it's completely empty previously. So I was very surprised to find that with a similar usage pattern, but using wifi instead of EDGE/GPRS I still had 30-50% battery left at the end of 8-9 hours day everyday during the trip. I know data uses a lot of battery, but I always thought wifi drains even more, so that's quite a stunning discovery.
Now, I don't think it was due to wifi draining less than GPRS/EDGE (can't be true), so it must be something else. In trying to figure out what made the difference, I did a bunch of tests after the trip, and this is what I find-
1. Data channel dis-connection / re-connection is BAD
I used to always set my phone to auto-disconnect data channel (EDGE/GPRS) after 5 min of inactivity, in an attempt to save battery. What I found, was keeping the data channel open does NOT actually drain more battery than leaving it off at all. Transmitting data drains battery, but not leaving the channel open. However, disconnecting it, and re-connecting it all the times actually drains quite a bit of battery. I set my phone to check email every 30 minutes, and then there's also the odd weather forecast that needs data channel. In a 9 hrs day, that means channel disconnection + reconnection of about 40 times.
The last couple days I have left my data connection ON all the times, and I actually get more hours out of my battery. My battery used to drop ~ 10-15% per hour with moderate use. By keeping the channel on all the times it's been kept to under 10% per hour!!! I've only tested it for a couple days. I'll report more on it once I get to test it for longer, but the idea that 'keeping data connection off when you're not using it to save battery" seems to be a complete myth. The opposite actually saves battery!!!! And as a bonus, I don't even have to wait for the data channel to connect when I need it!!
2. Recycling the radio is VERY BAD
Everybody knows 3G is a real battery killer. However, similar to EDGE/GPRS, keeping the 3G channel open does NOT drain any more battery than turning it off, or turning on EDGE/GPRS channel. When the data channel is idling, it doesn't matter whether it's on EDGE, GPRS, 3G, or even completely turned off, the battery drain is close to zero in all cases.
Now, you do see a 1.5 - 2 times battery drain with 3G compared to EDGE/GPRS, so I've always turned 3G on only for web browsing or watching YouTube, and use GPRS / EDGE for regular emails update. The thing is though, if you're not transmitting much data (which you won't for regular email update), the difference in battery drain is minimal. SWITCHING between 2G and 3G though, requires a radio power cycle (turn off then back on to switch frequency) and THAT drains a lot of battery!!!
So if you're often switching between 3G and 2G, and you only transmit little data in 2G mode, you might actually be better off keeping it in 3G all the times instead of forcing the radio to power-cycle all the times.
I've tried keeping it in 3G all day long and I noticed minimal increase in battery drain. However, there might be another reason you want to consider - RADIATION. 3G not only drains more battery than 2G, it also transmits at a stronger power than 2G and as a result create more radiation. For that reason, I'm still keeping my phone to 2G for email updates and what not, and switch to 3G only for web browsing. For radiation you may try this thread if you want to read more about it.
3. VGA screen is a REAL battery killer
I do quite a bit of reading on my phone (ebook, on-line magazines etc) and reading ebook was never a battery concern in my days with the Touch (QVGA screen).
That's why I was quite surprised on the Diamond, reading the ebook for 1 hour, with EVERYTHING else turned off (GSM, EDGE, GPRS, 3G, BT, wifi), my battery level went down by 12% in ~1 hour.
The VGA screen drains a lot more battery than the QVGA screen. Now, if you need to use the phone you need to use the screen, there isn't much of a choice. It does make sense, however, that if you're using the screen for a while (like reading ebook) switching from a high brightness level to a lower brightness level.
Oh, and the auto-adjust brightness thing? That doesn't help you save battery at all. This is because it polls the light sensor every 2 sec (default value, but you can change it) and adjust screen brightness accordingly. This mechanism drains battery in itself, and in most cases end up using more battery than keeping the brightness constant at a low to medium level.
The auto-adjust thing is cool, and in theory it sounds like it can save you battery, but unless you constantly set the brightness to max even when you're in a dark environment, disable the auto-adjust and just set it to a constant 50-60% instead.
These are the few things I've noticed and I'm still trying things out, but over the last 2 days I've seen a significant drop in battery drain. I would be lucky to go through a 8-9 hrs day with moderate to heavy use before, the first 2 days I tried this I still had 60% battery left after 5 hrs of moderate use. The Diamond is very weak on battery life so every bit helps! I hope these tips are useful to you!
Thanks for your share
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When I'm charging the battery, I also noticed the level went up from 0% to 70% very quickly ... pretty much over 40 min. BatteryStatus shows it's being charged at +600-700mA.
As the battery gets full, the charging is much slower ... BatteryStatus shows it is charging by ~ 100-200mA only.
With the battery level up to 99%, it took almost forever to finally get up to 100%. I think it took at least 20 min.
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It's exactly what the charging process is supposed to do.
Read more here:
The charge time of most chargers is about 3 hours...
Increasing the charge current does not shorten the charge time by much. Although the voltage peak is reached quicker with higher charge current, the topping charge will take longer.
Some chargers claim to fast-charge a lithium-ion battery in one hour or less. Such a charger eliminates stage 2 and goes directly to 'ready' once the voltage threshold is reached at the end of stage 1. The charge level at this point is about 70%. The topping charge typically takes twice as long as the initial charge.
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source:batteryuniversity (dot) com
I am having battery drainage due to the display (unlike most people who are having battery issues because of the android system). I've tried dimming down the brightness and putting the screen timeout to the lowest possible but the display still sucks up most of my battery. Can anyone help me with this ?
I think that would be normal. It's a 4.5 inch touch screen; it takes a lot of juice to be so pretty ...
Under settings - about phone - battery usage - display, what is the time on vs. % of battery usage?
I've been off the charger for 30 minutes and display use is at 76% since I've been browsing news and xda non stop.
If your screen on time is low compared to it's battery usage, it's a different story. Sounds like you've tried the usual fixes.
Well I've been off the charger since 12 last night so it would be 12 hours. But the thing is that the display usage says 51% and the actual time on for display was only 2 hours.
and also my battery drains 1% about every 30 minutes with the screen off.
2 hours of screen on time sucking 51% of the battery sounds normal to me, even across other Android phones on GB. Touch screens use lots of power.
Maybe someone else can chime in with something I'm not getting, but it seems normal to me.
This is a screenshot of my E4GT after 33 hours off the charger with normal usage. I don't play games, but I do text a lot and had a few calls as well. As you can see, the screen was on 20% of the 33 hours, meaning 6.6 hours etc etc and I still had 9% battery life at that point.
I am loving my phone!
Doesn't that 20% mean that the display used 20% of the battery power, not that it was on for 20% of the time? If you select the Display, it actually shows you how long it's been on.
I just feel like my battery should last longer than it does. I used to own the moment and that would last me three days with moderate use. ButI guess that this phone is more powerful it would make sense not to last three days. If only that would happen haha
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Hope you don't mind...
Coming from a Samsung Galaxy s2
Thing i hated about the S2 was not so much the battery drain but the terribly slow charging time, Sorry to mention a fruit phone, but my wifes IP4 would charge almost twice as fast than my S2.
How quick does the ONE X charge?
Does the battery last 7-8 hours with normal usage (tricky to tell, as it depends on what normal I guess)
Does it get really hot?, as the SGS2 did with some games, almost to the point of having to put it down it was so hot
thanks John
Battery Monitor tells.me that the average
0% to 100% time is 4hr 49mins, though it will probably be a little bit quicker than that if you don't count all the times I've been playing with it while charging.
It does seem to take a long time to charge, and you have to remember that the battery is 25% bigger than on the ip4 (1800mAh vs 1420mAh ) so it will probably take 25% longer ish.
It does get warm when charging and gaming simultaneously but not so that you have to put it down.
And battery life is excellent when the screen is mainly off which is my use case. I stream music most if the day and its fine for me, but as soon as you start using the screen it does start to tumble.
Hope that helps. I really love the phone, and the screen is just immense.
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i always thought if you use a charger with more amps, the phone will charge faster. i use an 2 amps usb charger and from 20% to 80% it charged within half hour last night, but the phone was off.
the question is, do you prefer touchwiz or htc sense ? i dont like both of them, so i still wait for a great none sense rom.
About charging...
Wall charger, 1Ah output
- 3.5-4 hrs, with the screen off
- add 30% time if you are watching a movie;
- add 45% if using the phone for browsing over 3G or WiFi;
- prepare for slow discharge if playing demanding 3D games;
USB computer output
- 5 to 7 hrs (the less you fiddle with it, the faster it will charge)
About daily usage:
Give or take 10% of these times, of course - based on personal experience
22-24 hrs total time of wich
- 2.5 screen time used for browsing via 3G or WiFi;
- 30 to 50' of talking
- autobrightness always ON,
- autosync off;
You can get over 3.5 hrs of screen time and some 1 hrs of talk time within a span of 15 hrs.
Gaming will bring MASSIVE battery drain, especially 3D games;
Of course, signal strengh is also important when talking or browsing. If you have autobrightness on during the day, in well lit areas it will obviously eat a LOT of battery as opposed to manual low brightness;
These average times I got on both Leedroid 6.1.0 and InsertCoin 6... ROMs using the stock kernel provided. Been testing them for about two weeks.
Cheers
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The issue with the battery is that is a Li-Po (Lithium-Polymer-Akkumulator) Battery and for this there is no quick-charge. The charge it´s a bit longer that with a Li-On Battery but the duration is great.
I usually charge it overnight using computer USB, and it will be fully charged in the morning.
If I charge it using charger, it takes about 3-4 hours (1A output).
Battery drains depends on how you use.
Screen drain most battery, internet and games also drain battery.
I used to switch off auto brightness, and turn brightness to 0%, then use Screen Adjuster to auto adjust within that 0%
The average temperature is around 35-40 degree after using it for a while indoor.
If you use it outdoor, it will get hotting up faster.
If it is under sunlight (e.g. taking photo), it is easy to go over 45 degree or even 50!!
It takes 200 minutes (or 3 hours and 20 minutes) to charge my HOX from 0% to 100%. As for getting hot; mine sometimes does but never to the point of having to put it down. Just hotter than it usually is, but nothing unusual really.
Hey, I'm running (CDMA) CM 9 (6-18 build winner00) and Franco . Kernel nightly #194 with the 512mhz GPU. This morning I unplugged my phone and let it sit for a little and ended up with this: (attached)
Any idea? I checked BetterBatteryStats and I don't have any noticeable wake locks either.
I'm kind of confused what I'm looking at but what I think you mean is that you never touched your phone for an hour, yet your screen was on for 30 minutes? I guess something was keeping your screen on without any user input. Have you checked Settings --> Display --> sleep set to (30 seconds or whatever you want) of inactivity? Perhaps it is a misbehaving app that is causing your screen to stay on.
Oh my bad, should have clarified. With those stats and screen time, I don't know how I can already be at 82% :/
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Actually... that's quite average if not just a tiny bit below average. A battery usually doesn't charge all the way to 100%, it tops off at around 95-98%, so you went down 13-16% with over half an hour of screen time and approximately an hour of normal time. 4+ hours screen time is actually considered good, which is the track that you are on (13%/30 minutes). Standby will drastically save you battery as well... which can translate to 15+ hours and 3+ hours of screen time (depends on the user). Also to take into account, the first 10-20% of the battery drains faster than the rest of it as well.
While web browsing, at 120hz, i loose about 1% every 5 minutes, this totals at about 7 hours screen on time.
Idle times seems to be about 1% an hour, is this normal?
Here are my average stats for the last 7 days. I charge my phone over night, so these are "idle" stats during the day (phone in the pocket, active whastapp web etc.). 120Hz active + automatic brightness.
Your idle usage sounds ok, screen on is a bit too much.
Its hard to compare the screen on time stats since i use GSam, which display stats a bit deferent (percentage per discharge not per hour), i believe you use AccuBattery?? will continue collecting data while i wait for my bootloader to unlock, will switch to EU, see if that helps.
Yes, I always use apps which measure screen on/off discharge per hour and separately, in this case it's AccuBattery. That's probably the only reliable way how to compare battery consumption between phones or between ROMs/kernels etc. Also it allows to quickly see if there is some issue or rouge app which prevents deep sleep for example.