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Please tell my why I shouldn't return the M9 for an S6!

I've had my M9 for 2 days now, and I'm starting to see things that are disappointing to me. Especially for such a high end, pricey device. Battery life is not very good at all compared to my old LG G2. And it takes forever to charge. The camera is, for lack of a better word, horrible.
I'm trying to decide if I should return it to T-Mobile in exchange for a Galaxy S6. All the reviews I've read and watched lean toward the S6.
Tell me why or why not?

Base on the reviews, only the hardcore HTC fans are going to choose M9 over the S6.
Quite honestly if you have a chance to return the phone I suggest you should.
I have a feeling this phone will be a complete flop and will probably put the nail in the coffin.
I'm personally going to wait a few weeks after this phone hit the bargain bin before I make a purchase.

ledvedder said:
I've had my M9 for 2 days now, and I'm starting to see things that are disappointing to me. Especially for such a high end, pricey device. Battery life is not very good at all compared to my old LG G2. And it takes forever to charge. The camera is, for lack of a better word, horrible.
I'm trying to decide if I should return it to T-Mobile in exchange for a Galaxy S6. All the reviews I've read and watched lean toward the S6.
Tell me why or why not?
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Have you ever had a Samsung phone? I have a Galaxy S4 and from I've experienced, touchwiz has got to be the most laggy skin. I can't go ten minutes without my phone freezing up for a few seconds. Not to mention, the battery life on it is awful. Also, if you ever want to root or flash your phone, I'd stay away from Samsung. Rooting is possible if you have an unlocked bootloader (which you should because it's T-Mobile) but since the GS6 is using an in-house processor that is locked down, roms like Cyanogen mod aren't supported. Lastly, you have to pay much more to get a higher storage capacity GS6 because there's no SD card slot. Of course, all of these things may not matter to you but I for one am tired of buying phones but not owning them. I will be buying an unlocked HTC One M9 straight from HTC. That way, I don't have to put up with the carriers anymore and I can truly do whatever I want with my phone. Hope this helps.

It's always a risk getting a new phone, but have to say the M8 was a more solid phone than the M9 in many ways.
As for Samsung, they are very laggy and tend to annoy me over time. The camera of the S6 will blow the M9 away, so if that's your focus then go for it.

*drum rolls* looks like M8s is on the way. Just when you thought the party was almost over. I have lost words for HTC by now.
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All the reviews I'm reading say that Samsung has optimized touchwiz and it's very fluent now, and the battery, although smaller than the M9's, is much better due to the CPU.

Sense man.. For me it's always been that that has cut the decision...
I can't go on any other launcher, i just don't like them.. Used to Sense (and TouchFlo) so much now that i just cannot switch anymore..
Guess you could call that a reason for you too if the launcher is anything important to you.

Sense, really? Choose a sub par device in pretty much every category because Sense is really that good? NOT

I think if I could put the M9's speakers into the S6, my choice would be a no brainer.

The LG G2 is an anomaly when it comes to battery life. Heck, they couldn't even replicate it with the G3. If battery life is your singular focus then stay with the G2. But you can't expected the G2 to be the baseline going forward for comparison.
I've had the G2. I've had the Nexus 5 and I'm on day 2 of the M9. The M9 blows those 2 phones out of the water in terms of the smoothies of operation. It isn't even close. I'm sure the hardware of the S6 will provide for similar possibilities but I am going to have to read a lot of reviews the says that this is a new TouchWiz for Samsung before I believe that that phone will not bog down in software over time.
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shook187 said:
Sense, really? Choose a sub par device in pretty much every category because Sense is really that good? NOT
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Subpar in every category? That's nonsense.

Samsung Galaxy S6 vs HTC One M9: Turning the Tables: https://youtu.be/z5tqAaXkRv8

Just one thing to add: If you're looking to the S6 for battery life, look again. My S6 has some HORRIBLE battery drain, and it seems like most people have it. Software updates are definitely needed.

shook187 said:
Sense, really? Choose a sub par device in pretty much every category because Sense is really that good? NOT
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I would choose an HTC any day over that hideous mess they use to call touch wiz.
Gs6 has an exynos processor. Good luck getting bug free aosp roms on that. Many devs stopped deving for exynos devices because of how closed they are. Things need to be hacked together pretty badly and even then it doesn't work fully. Samsung is much more closed than qualcomm is. So I would pick what you call a sub par device that has a processor that a lot of devs are familiar with deving for (qualcomm in general not the 810) and quite honestly I'd pick an iPhone over a Samsung device. That's how much I despise their UI.
shook187 said:
Base on the reviews, only the hardcore HTC fans are going to choose M9 over the S6.
Quite honestly if you have a chance to return the phone I suggest you should.
I have a feeling this phone will be a complete flop and will probably put the nail in the coffin.
I'm personally going to wait a few weeks after this phone hit the bargain bin before I make a purchase.
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I went with the M9 and I'm not a HTC fanboy. Yes I have had the m7 and m8 but also during that time I've owned countless other phones. I'll give anything a shot except Samsung. I don't mind using a Samsung note 10.1 but I will only use it for notes. But not for anything else

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I would choose an HTC any day over that hideous mess they use to call touch wiz.
Gs6 has an exynos processor. Good luck getting bug free aosp roms on that. Many devs stopped deving for exynos devices because of how closed they are. Things need to be hacked together pretty badly and even then it doesn't work fully. Samsung is much more closed than qualcomm is. So I would pick what you call a sub par device that has a processor that a lot of devs are familiar with deving for (qualcomm in general not the 810) and quite honestly I'd pick an iPhone over a Samsung device. That's how much I despise their UI.
I went with the M9 and I'm not a HTC fanboy. Yes I have had the m7 and m8 but also during that time I've owned countless other phones. I'll give anything a shot except Samsung. I don't mind using a Samsung note 10.1 but I will only use it for notes. But not for anything else
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Say what you want but me and most consumers I'm not going to pay a premium for device with 2014 hardware.
I'll wait 2 or 3 months and wait for the carriers to slash the price of this humongous flop of a phone.
And if you think developers are going to develop for the M9, good luck. The M9 won't sell enough units to warrant any development.

shook187 said:
Say what you want but me and most consumers I'm not going to pay a premium for device with 2014 hardware.
I'll wait 2 or 3 months and wait for the carriers to slash the price of this humongous flop of a phone.
And if you think developers are going to develop for the M9, good luck. The M9 won't sell enough units to warrant any development.
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It will for sure get a more stable AOSP build than the S6 will. But THB I'm happy with Sense. For the first time I can say I like a skinned version more than stock. I'm not a fan of the overall look of stock lollipop(love stock KK though) and I think HTC did a nice job with Sense. The only way I would consider an S6 if there could an almost bugfree build of AOSP like many of the qualcomm devices. With Samsung, the camera will never work right, other UI things will never work fully because of how closed Samsung keeps it. And I don't need anyone else to develop for it. Anything I want to do I can do on my own just fine and if I can't... I learn . I was making a point that people pick phones for many reasons, I personally hate touchwiz. I look at Samsung's UI and I just want to puke. I do think it's a really nice piece of HW, It would have been better with a Qualcomm chip that way you can ditch TW and at least have a decent stock experience but that won't happen with the exynos chip.

M9 has faults yes. But tweak ability is great. I have the m9 in my hands and my gf the s6. Ill take the m9 anytime over the s6.

ledvedder said:
All the reviews I'm reading say that Samsung has optimized touchwiz and it's very fluent now, and the battery, although smaller than the M9's, is much better due to the CPU.
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Not the first time Samsung has made that claim. Touchwiz is an abomination.

fernando sor said:
Not the first time Samsung has made that claim. Touchwiz is an abomination.
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First in my experience the M9's battery is very decent (haven't looked at stats or sot) but I'm a heavy user and it lasts me the day which is all that matters.
The Camera on the M9 is not terrible but the optics on the S6 are better.
The build & design of the M9 is subjective obviously we all have different likes, but for me HTC still has the S6 beat here. The S6 is a huge step up from any previous Samsung phone though.
The fluidity well when I tested side by side both are very nice here and are very very fast, Samsung has the better option to quick launch the camera.
Sense & touchwiz well for me who is tired of the latter sense is the better of the two, and blinkfeed is also better than I forget Samsung's thingie lol
Theme manager this is miles ahead of Samsung's attempt.
Storage, well the M9 being 32gb base storage is fantastic & expendable, S6 you loose this option.
Boomsound & audio, well obviously HTC has this as front facing audio is always going to be better, but the quality is the best I have experienced on any phone & I have had quite a few. Headphones this applies to but can't compare with the S6 so I don't know, but assume the M9 is better.
Each phone has plus points and negatives, for me though the M9 was the better choice for my liking.
I have had a lot of Samsung devices and just think all round despite the M9's flaws its the better phone (for me).
Both are great devices and Samsung has done very very well with the S6 & Edge.
If a phone doesn't meet your needs or you think its poor then your under no obligation to keep it, return for what will put a smile on the face

HTC10 better than the Galaxy S7 ?

Hello
It is better to HTC10 opinion or Galaxy s7 ??
Thank you !
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The Samsung Galaxy S7 and HTC 10 are two of the best cell phones available, as reflected in our separate audits.
The trip to get to this point has been altogether different for the two organizations included. While the S7 is a continuation and refinement of the brightness found in a year ago's S6, the HTC 10 is a huge change over the M9. Be that as it may, both touch base at a comparable point at the highest point of the cell phone tree.
There's doubtlessly HTC has the point of interest in a few zones, especially sound and programming. HTC's most recent form of Sense stays nearer to the Android Marshmallow source material than Samsung's TouchWiz, and the changes and upgrades appear to be better considered and executed.
Then the Galaxy S7 has the better camera and showcase, and additionally profiting by being waterproof and perfect with an assortment of remote charging benchmarks.
We'd say that the better camera and show presumably gives the Galaxy S7 the edge in a straight battle, however whichever telephone you pick we question you'll be frustrated.

I'm curious too. Was let down with google nexus phones again. Finally on Verizon with N6.... To big and crap camera, the 2015
but too big with 6P and poor ergonomics and build and horrible speaker with the 5x.
Now htc has the 10, which looks great and runs a nicer UI sticking closer to android. Seems like I can get the unlocked version and mod it to Verizon with little issue. Not sure if this is as straightforward as it seems. Seems close to perfect for me.
But then there's the s7 and even more tempting the s7 edge. Is touch wiz really cleaned up enough this year? Or same bloat slow UI we all know? Seems like I'm seeing more battery drain threads and lagging UI threads. Any truth to this? The big pull for me is the camera and amoled. I'd love to hear impressions of those who've had both.

totally
yes some points HTC 10 better then galaxy s7
and some points galaxy s7 better then HTC 10
so if you going to buy HTC 10 or galaxy s7 You will not regret
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I'm terrified to purchase an S7 due to its glass build. Small bumps and drops can shatter the entire phone, not to mention it's much praised waterproofing makes it alot harder/more expensive to get reparied.
I'm also hearing about the camera glass randomly cracking/breaking.

Best selling point of the HTC 10 was NO TOUCHSH!T, I mean touchwiz :angel: While the s6 and s7 touchwiz is a bit more tolerable, it's still gonna lag from time to time (especially over time)
My only complaint about the HTC 10 is the capacitive keys and the removal of the REAL boom sound speakers

btort1 said:
Best selling point of the HTC 10 was NO TOUCHSH!T, I mean touchwiz :angel: While the s6 and s7 touchwiz is a bit more tolerable, it's still gonna lag from time to time (especially over time)
My only complaint about the HTC 10 is the capacitive keys and the removal of the REAL boom sound speakers
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Old news. Ive had it since launch, as fast as day 1. In other words, faster than the 10

S7 hands down.
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Yes it is

FalconFX said:
Old news. Ive had it since launch, as fast as day 1. In other words, faster than the 10
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Keep dreaming, my S6 was decent in the beginning as well. After a month it starts to stutter like ALL touchwiz devices

btort1 said:
Keep dreaming, my S6 was decent in the beginning as well. After a month it starts to stutter like ALL touchwiz devices
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I dont have to dream i have it in my hands since launch. Its faster than every device out there. And the s6 has been fixed with MM update. And its faster than the htc 10

FalconFX said:
I dont have to dream i have it in my hands since launch. Its faster than every device out there. And the s6 has been fixed with MM update. And its faster than the htc 10
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How is it faster?

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How is it faster?
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Its very close to the speed of the s7, the s7 is noticeably faster than the 10, therefore faster than the 10.

Here in the US, HTC allows you to buy unlocked, Samsung does not. I voted with my wallet. I refuse to support a company that does not sell unlocked here in the US. I'm not buying International and losing my warranty just to have my freedom.
When Samsung starts selling unlocked GSM with unlockable bootloaders straight from their site, they can get my money.
Edit: As far as better goes, depends. Do you want faster updates, better build/audio quality or better camera, more features & waterproofing?

FalconFX said:
Its very close to the speed of the s7, the s7 is noticeably faster than the 10, therefore faster than the 10.
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Yes.
This convinced me to sell my 10 and go buy S7.
Thanks m8.
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hija31 said:
Yes.
This convinced me to sell my 10 and go buy S7.
Thanks m8.
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Oh plz dont. Wnjoy whats probably the last htc device

The HTC 10 is the automatic winner since it can be unlocked and rooted. The Snapdragon 820 S7s can't even be rooted thanks to dm-verity checks. I got a Note 5 and it will be my last Samsung device if they don't change their developer mentality, especially since it was the developers who got them where they are (via the Nexus sales). Google propped them up to where they are and they thanked us by making the most locked down devices around. Screw Samsung.

l returned mine for the s7e. As much as I wanted to keep it, I just couldn't forgive the dimness of the display. A max of 370 nits is not enough for me.

EtherealRemnant said:
The HTC 10 is the automatic winner since it can be unlocked and rooted. The Snapdragon 820 S7s can't even be rooted thanks to dm-verity checks. I got a Note 5 and it will be my last Samsung device if they don't change their developer mentality, especially since it was the developers who got them where they are (via the Nexus sales). Google propped them up to where they are and they thanked us by making the most locked down devices around. Screw Samsung.
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Yeah because everyone that buys a sammy phone flashes roms they dont care about devs because its not their target market. It is consumers not devs. Ppl that buy sammy phones to flash em arent even 1% of total sold devices

FalconFX said:
Yeah because everyone that buys a sammy phone flashes roms they dont care about devs because its not their target market. It is consumers not devs. Ppl that buy sammy phones to flash em arent even 1% of total sold devices
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That doesn't apply when you come on XDA pal.
If Google had a proper app+data restore, I could actually live without root but I have too many authenticators and too many apps to give up TiBu.
It wouldn't take much for Samsung to implement a sanctioned unlock, they just want to lock people in to their bastardization of the Android OS. The fact that the Exynos variant (which can't run AOSP since Samsung doesn't release their developer documentation) can be unlocked and flashed speaks volumes to how much they want everyone locked into LagWiz.
I have T-Mobile and T-Mobile has always been developer friendly unlike Verizon and AT&T yet Samsung encrypted the bootloader on their T-Mobile phones this time around as well. They want you locked into their ecosystem, end of story.

HTC 10 Satisfaction

Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.

Currently the only vote heh, so I'll elaborate on my "It's alright" (the cons). I don't think there's a worthier replacement for it, but there's definitely room for improvement.
- The captive buttons are a touch too low, just enough to be a minor inconvenience physically when reaching for them, and sometimes more when you miss them by a bit.
- I like the fingerprint scanner being a touch scanner (don't need to press it), but since it acts as a home button too, it's prone to accidental presses. I also just prefer a physical home button, my preference when it comes to feel. Ideally it would've been an actual button, but also touch sensitive just for the scanner.
- The screen could be brighter. Not a deal breaker, but it's less bright at max settings than my old m7 it replaced.
- Battery. I wish they put in a bigger one. It's quite alright when it comes to battery life, but it's just that the phone is thin enough in my opinion that making it a bit thicker for a 3600 battery could've definitely helped, and be better instead.
- Extremely minor, but still - the boom sound icon shouldn't be there when I'm playing music, if BOOM sound is turned off.

Not a fan of decryption.
It's already turned into a headache for me.
It makes being a flash-a-holic tougher.
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I have had mine for 2 weeks or so. I like it and keeping it. That being said... It's not perfect and don't think there will ever be a perfect phone. I'm on Sprint and coming from a LG G2. Coming from a G2 I'm always reaching for the buttons on the back and touching the camera requiring lots of cleaning for good picture. And I miss some of the customization of LG homescreen layout. The 10 is fast and responsive. Battery is great for me and quick charge is awesome. Takes good pics but usually requires some user adjustment prior to taking. Hopefully updates can make for better point and shoot. Some minor annoyances of getting used to a different phone after about 3 years with the same phone.
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Randy Lahey said:
Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
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I have the Unlocked HTC 10 modified to be a Verizon phone. Had the M7, M8, and M9 before this, and really like it. The brighter notification light and less carrier bloat make it perfect. It's fast, does not overheat, and has great hand feel.

Randy Lahey said:
Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
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We're given only one life, bro, consequently it's no doubt your mistake failing getting an hTc 10 the last April yet.. ??
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..

Extremely happy with mine. Second favorite Android device after the Nexus 5
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Most recent phones just the past 12 months;
- OnePlus One ( Which I still have as a backup )
- Galaxy Note 5 ( Rooted and ROM'd )
- LG G5 ( Owned for like a week and returned for various reasons )
- HTC 10 ( rooted and running LeeDroid )
Out of the above 4 phones I have had within this year, I surprisingly still like the OPO a lot more than I'd ever think, mainly for the wicked awesome CM13 ROM's out there, and amazing development community on that phone., but the phone is showing it's age of course. Th Note 5 was really nice, but just got sick of Samsung and the MAJOR wait for MM was insane, not coming out till like late April / Early May, putting it like 7 to 8 months after the Nexus devices originally got it, that's inexcusable. The LG G5 not a bad phone at all, actually feels really good in the hand, and overall a nice size, and the G5 battery was shockingly very good, giving me 6h Screen On time with ease. But the screen was too dim, not bright enough, the display was very poor and cheap, and sucked outdoors, and the build quality seemed just ok, and the development community almost nonexistent, I gave up after one week, it was an ok phone.
The HTC 10 really is cool, fantastic build quality, but the screen isn't the best outdoors either, not like a recent Samsung phone, which are outstanding on sunny days. The development community for the 10 is GREAT, and hoping to see a solid CM13 eventually on it. But little things irk me, the stupid lock screen weather deal, I don't want to have to have GPS enabled to see the weather on my lock screen, why can't I just enter in a specific city, and have it show the weather based off the city I choose ? And I seem to have issues with selecting a different lock screen wallpaper than the home screen, it just never sticks, only shows the same wallpaper as the home screen I set. But could be the DPI I changed ?
Also, themes on the HCT 10 sucks IMO, compared to Samsung, ( And I am no Samsung fan whatsoever ) But the themes on Samsung, really transform EVERYTHING on the phone, the pull down quick settings, to the phone dialer, to Messaging, to Settings menu. Look at the AOSP Themes for a Samsung phone, they radically change the look of the phone big time, throughout the entire system. I have yet to see HTC's themes offer anything like that ?
Battery life seems pretty good with my tweaks, I am getting 5.5h to 6h Screen On time.
Most likely will dump this phone for the new Nexus this September.

I love it! The best phone on market for me.
But those ugly stock quick settings...

The first ever android phone in many years i havent rooted. Enjoying the phone rather than flashing constantly. Best phone out there currently, but looking forward fo next LG
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Thanks everyone for your votes and replies so far. Most seem to love their phone so far. I guess the results might be biased as most of those that hated it would likely have already returned it and wouldn't be on this thread in the first place.
Two things I've been following concern me though, and I'm curious if any of you HTC 10 lovers have experienced these problems.
The first is the Gap-gate (or Mind the Gap), where people have noticed a significant gap between the bezel and the aluminum frame. Most the people complaining so far seem to have the white face model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/gap-screen-frame-t3376620
And the second is the fact that more than one person has claimed that the HTC 10 has destroyed their SD cards.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/htc-10-damaged-micro-sd-card-t3385664
Interested to hear the view of HTC 10 owners that maybe have had their phone since release (ie a couple months now).

Why is this phone so underrated ?

I got an HTC 10 a couple of days ago after my sister bought my nexus 6p from me, I got it thinking about getting a 2016 nexus once it gets released in Germany (usually a couplw of months after the US's release ) but now I'm thinking of keeping it.
Why is the phone so underrated? It feels noticeably faster that the Galaxy Note 7 for example and it looks way nicer than Samsung's new ui .
I still think the nexus 6p takes better pictures, but the HTC 10 runs circles on it when it comes to speed, the difference is very noticeably.
HTC can't really compete with companies like oneplus 3 I know this, but 700 euros is outrageous, with 500 they may have had a chance.
Why would anyone choose the HTC 10 instead of galaxy, which looks fancier and takes better pictures and costs the same?
Nevertheless in my opinion is the most balanced on the market right now, it didn't deserve to fail so bad.
I don't want HTC filing for bankruptcy, they build amazing , yes the 10 is on the too chunky side , but it feels sturdy.
What do you think ? Does HTC have a chance of making a comeback ?
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HTC has a really bad reputation and it's a well deserved one. I don't personally think they can bounce back unless they knock the Nexuses out of the park. This device has issues. The volume of the speakers is abysmal compared the M7, M8, and M9, many phones have defective WiFi chips (mine included), the radio is hit or miss and doesn't get reception in a lot of places that my Note 5 did, the screen issues (red tint and banding) put people off, the standby time as a result of the defective WiFi chip puts people off, the glass on the camera holds fingerprints like nothing else which means it has to be wiped every time you want to use it, etc. It's a great device for XDA's community but for the average consumer it falls flat on its face against other flagships around the same price point. If Samsung didn't lock the bootloader on their SD 820s, I'd have a Note 7 myself right now.

Chad_Petree said:
I got an HTC 10 a couple of days ago after my sister bought my nexus 6p from me, I got it thinking about getting a 2016 nexus once it gets released in Germany (usually a couplw of months after the US's release ) but now I'm thinking of keeping it.
Why is the phone so underrated? It feels noticeably faster that the Galaxy Note 7 for example and it looks way nicer than Samsung's new ui .
I still think the nexus 6p takes better pictures, but the HTC 10 runs circles on it when it comes to speed, the difference is very noticeably.
HTC can't really compete with companies like oneplus 3 I know this, but 700 euros is outrageous, with 500 they may have had a chance.
Why would anyone choose the HTC 10 instead of galaxy, which looks fancier and takes better pictures and costs the same?
Nevertheless in my opinion is the most balanced on the market right now, it didn't deserve to fail so bad.
I don't want HTC filing for bankruptcy, they build amazing , yes the 10 is on the too chunky side , but it feels sturdy.
What do you think ? Does HTC have a chance of making a comeback ?
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I chose the 10 because of it's build quality, close-to-nexus feel, speed, camera, audio and more. In essence, I chose it because it was the best device that fits my needs. Not everyone has the same taste and also marketing plays a crucial role in product exposure to the popular. Product popularity doesn't affect user experience so I could care less if I own a product nobody has or likes, or how it's company is doing, this device is perfect for me.
If I wanted to buy into popularity and mainstrean, I'd have an iPhone and beats headphones.
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I don't mind that it is underrated, didn't or wouldn't matter to me. i like HTC. I don't have any of the problems some people have, call me lucky but not one HTC phone I ever had(I had them all, EVO, EVO3D, ONE M8, M9 and 10). WiFI works, speakers are good( I don't see my phone as a boombox), Sprint signal is sometimes spotty( that's Sprint). Camera is great(it's not a Nikon DSLR). As far bulky, I think the S7 Edge is bulkier. The 10 has been the best phone yet and yes I had the M8. I have no complaints.

Best phone out there for me and I've tried just about everything. Also nice to have a rare phone for a change
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@EtherealRemnant My phone is perfect in every way. No wifi, data, sound or screen issues at all. Why didn't you take yours back? Im also getting over 5hrs screen on time so battery is perfect for me. 2% drain overnight with wifi on.

EtherealRemnant said:
HTC has a really bad reputation and it's a well deserved one. I don't personally think they can bounce back unless they knock the Nexuses out of the park. This device has issues. The volume of the speakers is abysmal compared the M7, M8, and M9, many phones have defective WiFi chips (mine included), the radio is hit or miss and doesn't get reception in a lot of places that my Note 5 did, the screen issues (red tint and banding) put people off, the standby time as a result of the defective WiFi chip puts people off, the glass on the camera holds fingerprints like nothing else which means it has to be wiped every time you want to use it, etc. It's a great device for XDA's community but for the average consumer it falls flat on its face against other flagships around the same price point. If Samsung didn't lock the bootloader on their SD 820s, I'd have a Note 7 myself right now.
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I'm shocked to see how many people care about the speakers, I'll take smaller bezels any day, I use my headphones 98% of the time and keep my phone silent all the time, I only use the speakers when I want to show a friend a video.
My device has a yellow tone area around the the lower part of the screen I'm gonna get it exchanged.
I would be all over a 5.5" HTC 10 , I know the new nexus is going to have a 5.5"acreen but with the trademark big HTC bezels +on screen buttons you end loosing 30-35% of the screen state, which is a big no. I miss the days of the nexus 5/6 and LG G2 bezels
I'd have a Galaxy Note 7 but I've burned by touchwiz all too many times, I have to stay strong this time!!
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I chose the 10 because of it's build quality, close-to-nexus feel, speed, camera, audio and more. In essence, I chose it because it was the best device that fits my needs. Not everyone has the same taste and also marketing plays a crucial role in product exposure to the popular. Product popularity doesn't affect user experience so I could care less if I own a product nobody has or likes, or how it's company is doing, this device is perfect for me.
If I wanted to buy into popularity and mainstrean, I'd have an iPhone and beats headphones.
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I always root for my favorite companies, also if a device sells well it's in the best interest of the manufacturer to update it quick and keep it working hassle free
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As far bulky, I think the S7 Edge is bulkier. The 10 has been the best phone yet and yes I had the M8. I have no complaints.
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In which way do you find it bulkier? Yes it's a bit taller and wider but it's nice , the screen is noticeably bigger , and nevertheless is a couple of grams lighter

I played with both HTC 10 and S7 Edge for a couple of days and i chose HTC 10. Yes S7 Edge Camera seem slightly better but if you learn how to use HTC 10's Camera, It takes photos and records videos good enough i would expect from a Phone. Was a pre-order which means I've been with it for quite some time and I have never ever experienced any problems like i've just read here. I give it a 5 Star

I just cancelled my order for a Note 7 to buy the HTC 10 instead. At first, it seemed like the Canadian Note 7's bootloader would be unlocked, but it isn't. The 10 is a better choice when it comes to customization and long term 3rd party support, software-wise. And it seems built a lot more durably that the Note 7. I had thought of getting one in the past, but 32 GB is very small (even 64 GB is too small for me). With an SD card, I'll do alright, thought.
As for how underrated the phone is... Good question. Part of why I had passed on it before was the small internal capacity and the high price compared to other phones. There are many phones that have similar specs but are less expensive. But I think that when it all comes down to it, the 10 is a very good quality phone, and it's more than just its specs. As for its problems, worst comes to worst, it can be exchanged.

not underrated at all....
no advertisements as usual.....
priced a little high(paid around 690USD as mine is standalone ) with less of open source so most of them are staying away from it...
very few carriers are giving it out on monthly installments....

SacredDeviL666 said:
not underrated at all....
no advertisements as usual.....
priced a little high(paid around 690USD as mine is standalone ) with less of open source so most of them are staying away from it...
very few carriers are giving it out on monthly installments....
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Here in AUS every carrier has the htc 10. But you are right i haven't seen 1 advertisement about it.

Htc never seems to advertise anymore. I remember when the evo came out, every other commercial was about it. Got me to buy one, lol.

I don't know why, either. But I don't care. The only issue I've had with mine is the screen tint, but it's gotten better with time and I honestly don't notice it anymore. It's hands down my favorite phone I've ever owned. I was thinking of the Note 7, too, but it's not an option because of the locked bootloader.

I'm not sure it is underrated ? Every review i've seen more or less says great phone, maybe one of the best on the market, I don't think HTC have a bad rep either do they ? Every HTC i've had just keeps on working and i would argue 18months down the line they work better than most.. In work we use Samsung notes and they are painful to use in comparison I can't stand touchwiz (although the actual note taking part with the S-Pen is excellent) .. I pre-ordered the 10 also, love it no regrets actually due an upgrade and not bothering until maybe lured by a nexus and a 5.5" screen...

I notice a lot of HTC haters posting lot of bad feedbacks on this great device... Besides too few ads seen on tv and a higher price when launching the product.

Cost has a lot to do with it, while I feel it's worth it at $600 USD (which is what I got it for) anything more than that and I wouldn't have gotten it. While it's a great phone, it's hard to lay down that kind of money for anything.

There are many phones over $600. In fact, some phones, specifically the 6S plus and the note 7 costs north of $800.
I'm not sure why the 10 alone gets bashed when there are phones out there hundreds of dollars more. Some are willing to pay a certain price to enjoy something. Saying X should be X amount is an opinion and is no different than saying that paying $200 for jeans makes no sense when you can buy some for $20 or even less.
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HTC has a really bad reputation and it's a well deserved one. I don't personally think they can bounce back unless they knock the Nexuses out of the park. This device has issues. The volume of the speakers is abysmal compared the M7, M8, and M9, many phones have defective WiFi chips (mine included), the radio is hit or miss and doesn't get reception in a lot of places that my Note 5 did, the screen issues (red tint and banding) put people off, the standby time as a result of the defective WiFi chip puts people off, the glass on the camera holds fingerprints like nothing else which means it has to be wiped every time you want to use it, etc. It's a great device for XDA's community but for the average consumer it falls flat on its face against other flagships around the same price point. If Samsung didn't lock the bootloader on their SD 820s, I'd have a Note 7 myself right now.
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so disagree I had the S6 Edge because the M9 was too much like the M8 then I moved to the S7 edge, both of these phones were great but I couldn't fathom why I wasn't taken by them like I have been with all the HTC's I've owned and I've certainly owned a few. Then I bought the HTC10 and immediately sold the S7 edge. The HTC is faster, the signal at work is 4G on my S7 is was on Edge around most of the building, the music player has clarity and isn't oversaturated with bass like the Samsung's, the UI is more usable, especially the dialler which on the Samsung was a real frustration (coming up for air..................) I love the ice view which has so much more potential, the speakers are actually better balanced and give a clearer sound than p[previous incarnations and I actually use it more than I did the M8 boomsound, and I've got to say when I put my Bose headphones on this fantastic phone it sounds like nothing I have heard before, not to mention the customisation option this device has compared to the S7, S6.
The Samsung has a better camera and marginally better screen, the OLED screen is something the HTC 10 could have utilised for the ice view screen, the slo mo on the s7 is awesome (although I have not really tested the HTC slo mo or hyperlapse as yet) and the phone is really stylish and I'm afraid much like sex sells style does to, that's why Samsung sells so many phone despite all the superficial features on the s7.

Price new is to high. Picked one up on swappa for a decent price. wifi was kind of weak it seemed. Changed my setting from auto to 2.4 and turned off wifi calling which I don't need and wifi is good now. Phone signal is low it seems , but call quality is stellar and also very good . Never dropped a call yet.
I like HTC products and have had many, really like the 10 a lot. Build quality is excellent and the speakers while not loud sound nice and rich. Glad I picked it up.

There's not a lot i would change about the phone , an amoled screen , smaller bezels and 8 mm would have been nice and of course.... The price the htc 10 right is more expensive than the galaxy s7 edge and even more expensive than the galaxy s7 :/only geeks like us /HTC fans would choose it over those phones
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Still worthing buying it?

I really like this phone but I want to know your opinions about if is a good buy after one year released, specially considering I want to keep it for around 1.5 years..
I'm specially concerned about battery life, good software and updates or community development, ...
Also I wanted to ask this questions about the phone:
- is there any way for recording in 1080p 60 fps?
- can you drop screen resolution to 1080 for battery savings?
-Ok google with screen off drains much battery? (Most useful feature, in my Nexus 5x doesn't drain battery due to sensor hub)
I really love the phone but I'm not sure it still worthing it considering new phones like p10 and that maybe is not so big upgrade from Nexus 5x

-battery life is average 4.5hours screen on time, same as my previous Nexus 5X while my current phone 3T is never under 6hours based on the same usage.
-developement based on what your want. For me I only want a good kernel that work best with stock rom giving best battery life and performance, getting rid of kernel wakelocks but the problem is that you can't find a good kernel here. Some kernel arm for performance only. Phone's getting heat quickly while some base on stock and add extra features which are gimmick anyway (many wakelocks are still there).
-the screen of HTC is pinky which is a deal breaker for me. Love it more on Nexus 5X
-camera can't beat Nexus 5x.
-WiFi is the worst thing. Go think again.
-The phone is hell stable. Never giving a single issue and smooth all day. If you want a phone that just works and premium feel.
This is just my opinion.

Definitely worth buying!
I'm not having heat issues, and battery is fine considering that you can do a full charge in 1.5 hours. Camera is comparable with all the other flagships and beats many of them in many areas. Wifi is ok, never had issues that would made me consider it as "the worst thing".
It's a nice phone, very robust, and it should easily last for 1.5 years. Development/support for the phone is great and you can easily root it (which is essential nowadays for ensuring that you get the best out of your phone).

Worth buying but I'd probably get the pixel, you could wait for the S8 (if that's your thing)
Personally I'd wait for the HTC 11, I'm guessing it'll be a beast.
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If you can get a good deal then it definitely worth it. i doubt they will make a better device. i plan to keep using mine the next 2 years and never sell it. i am in love
To be fair the issues i am facing are,
Battery life can't get more than 4 hours SOT on very high usage.
very high battery drain when i go out, LTE Enabled + max brightness with normal usage.
carbon grey color scratch easily.

keaheng said:
-battery life is average 4.5hours screen on time, same as my previous Nexus 5X while my current phone 3T is never under 6hours based on the same usage.
-developement based on what your want. For me I only want a good kernel that work best with stock rom giving best battery life and performance, getting rid of kernel wakelocks but the problem is that you can't find a good kernel here. Some kernel arm for performance only. Phone's getting heat quickly while some base on stock and add extra features which are gimmick anyway (many wakelocks are still there).
-the screen of HTC is pinky which is a deal breaker for me. Love it more on Nexus 5X
-camera can't beat Nexus 5x.
-WiFi is the worst thing. Go think again.
-The phone is hell stable. Never giving a single issue and smooth all day. If you want a phone that just works and premium feel.
This is just my opinion.
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I don't have any of those problems. US unlocked. Good battery life. No "pink" screen. WiFi is superb. Running Viper10 3.5.0 with EX Kernel. Smooth and responsive. Does everything I want it to. I haven't seen any other phone I would upgrade to at this time. That's my $0.02 keep the change.

The phone is good and battery life exellent. Wifi could be better. But I miss security updates from HTC. No update since January.

I would suggest you to go for it, since prices are down, developer support is awesome lots of los+sense roms....perfromance is good (820 can be easily compared to 821), camera is decent enough my brother got s7 and we both click awesome pics....also with nougat voLTE is also there so worth buying it...

Thanks for responses. I think I will not be buying it just for the battery
In most of my phones (htc m7, nexus 5x...) battery died when going outside with LTE and high brighness
I like to enable features as google now, ok google everywhere...even google fit, that require too much battery

I recommend s7 edge...best battery ever...amoled screen...killer camera...good development

Javi22 said:
Thanks for responses. I think I will not be buying it just for the battery
In most of my phones (htc m7, nexus 5x...) battery died when going outside with LTE and high brighness
I like to enable features as google now, ok google everywhere...even google fit, that require too much battery
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I agree with not getting it however this phone can outperform all those phones you've mentioned and their successors whilst running more things and quicker by quite some way.
It truly is a beast of a device. If you did get the 10 you would not be disappointed, I'm running the pixel launcher with Google assistant, Google allo, amongst others battery life isn't massively different from the iPhone 7, S7 edge, all the new phones and I see the day out the day out quite easily, so it does perform.
I just assumed you'd like to be at the forefront of what's out there as I would want to be, for that reason I'd hold off getting the 10, but not because it isn't a capable device, or can't run against the best other phones out there, far from it mate.
EG: I've had a GameCube emulator running Zelda the Windwaker 90℅ of the first island at near 30fps all the way, which is no easy feat.
As I said before, if it were me at this moment, I'd say the pixel, or if I was smart I'd say the S8 (if you don't mind Sammy, has to be a good phone to make up for the notes blowing up)
Personally it has to be the HTC 11, or whatever they end up calling it.
[emoji6] but thats me.
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dladz said:
I agree with not getting it however this phone can outperform all those phones you've mentioned and their successors whilst running more things and quicker by quite some way.
It truly is a beast of a device. If you did get the 10 you would not be disappointed, I'm running the pixel launcher with Google assistant, Google allo, amongst others battery life isn't massively different from the iPhone 7, S7 edge, all the new phones and I see the day out the day out quite easily, so it does perform.
I just assumed you'd like to be at the forefront of what's out there as I would want to be, for that reason I'd hold off getting the 10, but not because it isn't a capable device, or can't run against the best other phones out there, far from it mate.
EG: I've had a GameCube emulator running Zelda the Windwaker 90℅ of the first island at near 30fps all the way, which is no easy feat.
As I said before, if it were me at this moment, I'd say the pixel, or if I was smart I'd say the S8 (if you don't mind Sammy, has to be a good phone to make up for the notes blowing up)
Personally it has to be the HTC 11, or whatever they end up calling it.
[emoji6] but thats me.
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Of course it's a capable device, just that I require a good battery life so I can use the phone as a smartphone, with everything enabled as I like, and it eats the battery so...
I don't like Samsung so I'll wait to see new htc however I don't think I get it because of the price. I will wait for a future one plus with smaller screen or a Huawei p10 when it drops its price
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I am debating about the same. I am still holding to my old M8 but the battery life is not so good and the top speaker is distorting the sound and I love my stereo front speakers. But I think I will wait for confirmation on the expected HTC 11 and see if it´s much better.
Once thing I am worried about is that we still don't even have a leak or rumor about the 11. Could it be that no 11 is coming and it´s vaporware?
Cheers

If you like an all metal phone, then yes it is still worth buying it. If you'd like latest specs and a glas body then you'd better wait and get the HTC Ocean. I'm sure it will come, but HTC currently is good at keeping it's secrets, as it seems.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
If you like an all metal phone, then yes it is still worth buying it. If you'd like latest specs and a glas body then you'd better wait and get the HTC Ocean. I'm sure it will come, but HTC currently is good at keeping it's secrets, as it seems.
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So you believe that the Ultra was an indication that the all metal chassis phone trend from HTC has ended for good?!

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So you believe that the Ultra was an indication that the all metal chassis phone trend from HTC has ended for good?!
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Yes I'd guess so.
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I just bought a "mint" Verizon HTC 10 for only $395 from Swappa with S-OFF($25 already saved). Here is my list of factors when purchasing a phone:
I live in a Verizon only reliable area.
I will only use this type of phone: Rootable (with good development behind it), SDcard slot, headphone jack, USB-C
My backup LineageOS S5 is on it's last leg physically, really needed a new phone.
Prefer one handed phones.
Prefer OEM's that encourage unlocked bootloaders and rooting (HTC, LG, and OnePlus seem to be it)
Strongly prefer front facing stereo speakers.
Prefer IP68
Prefer OIS, with large megapixels (for low light)
Dislike glass phones (don't need wireless charging tradeoff for crackable back panels).
Dislike camera bumps
From that list, the Verizon HTC 10 EMEI activates easily on Verizon, is rooted, has SDcard slot, headphone jack, USB-C, 5.2 display (one handed), metal body, and OIS with large megapixelas, and is from a OEM that encourages the phone OS freedom.
The 3 things the HTC 10 fails to check for me are:
No IP68, but at least it's IP53.
No front facing stereo speakers, but at least it has 1 front facing tweeter with a sideways woofer to make BoomSound...better than most other phones on the market.
No camera bump, but I put cases on my phones anyways.

Got to ask you guys I'm undecided between the Huawei P10 or the HTC 10.. I've only had HTC's since back in the days of when they made the XDA's for O2 with Windows mobile.
Which phone would you choose.. so far the only thing I really like about the P10 is that it has 128GB of Memory and well the 6GB of Ram doesn't hurt either.

Finally I bought Xiaomi mi5s. But it happens that aosp/lineageos roms are great but camera quality and battery are much worse
And I refuse to use miui
So I'm thinking again about htc 10. My question is about roms. Since htc won't update software anymore, I would like to know if developers do the job...
I mean, are dev roms as good as stock roms? (I see it has offical support for great roms like Resurrection remix or Mokee
That would be the point for buying it or not

It also has official support for Lineage OS and they've announced it will get a stock android O update (which will probably come around January if history repeats itself). The developers are keeping up with security releases, so if that's your biggest concern then get a non-stock based rom and run with it. I'm pretty happy with the phone. The one downside to running non-stock based roms (AOSP or LOS based) is that you'll lose HDR on the camera.
For the record, I picked mine up last month. It's a Sprint model that I unlocked the sim and LTE bands on and am running it on T-Mobile.