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[Believable or not?] Windows Phone 8 is not supported by current Windows Phone Gens

http://wmpoweruser.com/german-busin...te-for-current-handsets-to-settle-for-wp-7-7/
The German Business Week ‘(WiWo), claiming sources from Microsoft and Nokia, has confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will not be coming to the current generation of Windows Phones.
These handsets will recieve a stripped down version of Windows Phone 8 which may be called Windows Phone 7.6 or 7.7.
The publication reports ”An update is not technically possible because Windows Mobile 8 <-- WUT? uses different chip sets.”
Microsoft apparently expects current Windows Phone users to be happy with this solution, with a Microsoft manager quoted as saying: ”If people have the same functions on their smartphones, they do not care what version number the operating system is.”
Microsoft has previously alluded to Apple forcing customers to buy new handsets by releasing updates which slow down their current phones, so this solution appears to have been in the works for some time.
What do our readers think of this (likely) solution? Let us know below.
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Joe Beofiore or Scott Gu hasn't said a word, we will have to wait.
But believable or not? I don't think so, Microsoft used to confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will come to all 2nd Gen Devices.
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Doesn't matter , I'm getting a Apollo device. I heard current devices would be getting WP 7.7 or 7.6 anyways , stripped down Apollo
Bye bye Zune, hello Xbox Music.
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Do you have any info for the XBOX Music and the Application that we are going to control the Music in Windows 8?
The current Music App in Windows 8 is pretty bad, lacks of customization like Zune and got all of my Singer wrong Bio.

anybody Who writes about Windows Phone and calls it "Windows Mobile" is not worth trust! Windows Mobile is the past, and Windows Phone is now!

Strike_Eagle said:
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Do you have any info for the XBOX Music and the Application that we are going to control the Music in Windows 8?
The current Music App in Windows 8 is pretty bad, lacks of customization like Zune and got all of my Singer wrong Bio.
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Its preview, so its not complete. I haven't updated to latest preview yet, so I have no idea if it has gotten better.
The Music app now is basically the one from the 360. I hope it gets better, and I also hope we won't have to download additional software for syncing the phones.
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http://m.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadgeteer/goodbye-zune-hello-xbox-music/5803
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As what was shown at E3 for Xbox Music, the Nokia Lumia 800 is running the same interface as the Xbox and Windows 8. So it is unlikely that it will be a separate app, otherwise it will end up like Spotify or iHeartRadio.
It is likely that Microsoft will update current windows phones to replace its current Zune branding, and maybe make it compatible with windows 8 synchronization. Or there is still hope that Windows Phone 8 will come to current windows phone devices.

We need a Apollo thread. I'm certain apps like these will come over faster with native coding
http://m.networkworld.com/news/2012/060612-microsoft-onx-259898.html?hpg1=bn
Its basically MS version of tasker
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Dinchy87 said:
anybody Who writes about Windows Phone and calls it "Windows Mobile" is not worth trust! Windows Mobile is the past, and Windows Phone is now!
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Google translate screwed up, the source says windows phone

Well, I would agree it is the same if WP7 would share the same attribute as WP8, like native API and WP8 apps compatibility.
Otherwise what he said same experience is simply not about right, at least the background run, launch speed and performance are not the same as WP8 with same hardware.

Can't believe that Nokia and MS don't support at least the second gen devices! And there were at least enough rumours for the other way round.
And technically speaking, it should be possible as Windows Phone 8 is pretty likely to support ARM like Windows 8 itself! The "incompatible chipset stuff" is just rubbish in my eyes!
Well, new handsets will feature new hardware and more capabilities but in the end I' pretty sure that they will make also low-end WP8 device with pretty much the same specs as current high-end WP7 device!

read the original article:
http://blog.wiwo.de/look-at-it/2012...-losung-fur-update-problem-bei-windows-phone/
this guy has no proof at all. he says he heard it from 2 sources (which of course are not named, he has no evidence etc.) and he names some unknown "microsoft manager" who told him some stuff.
also "An update is not technically possible because Windows Phone 8 uses different chipsets." is a pretty lame statement. When I can compile my linux kernels to run on different architectures I would think that MS can do this too.

drill_sarge said:
also "An update is not technically possible because Windows Phone 8 uses different chipsets." is a pretty lame statement. When I can compile my linux kernels to run on different architectures I would think that MS can do this too.
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Lumia 900 is heard to get an Upgrade but Lumia 800 wont (Nokia Online Helpdesk http://wparea.de/2012/06/nokia-care-das-lumia-900-wird-ein-update-auf-wp8-apollo-erhalten/). The only difference between these devices is that the chipset of the 900 supports LTE. So according to the rest of the hardware (Single Core Snapdragon S2, ARMv7) the 800 should support WP8, as all other phones should, too.

Well that's bad news for me; I have a first gen HTC Trophy; I doubt I will get the Apollo update after reading this, Oh well.

Hmm, sounds like crap if you ask me, different chipsets? presumably it still means ARM and we're not all going to go all x86.
I think its safe to say, that WP8 will get released to new hardware, it will have many new swanky features.
Said swankiness will filter down through current win 7 devices IF said feature is available on the device.
I think that's a fair thing to expect. To say we are not getting WP8 is perhaps a bit misleading though, more accurately is that we will get updates that our devices can support.
All in all I am sure we can be confidant that we will get some form of update, without a list of WP8 specs its difficult to say how much of it we can expect to receive.

Should know on the 20th
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Do or die
The Windows Phone 8 release on 20th would be just a proof of concept device, if there is a presentation at all.
However it will spark the rumour mills and as always, Microsoft will leave out enough info to make us all keep wondering. In a way it creates a sense of suspense which will help make the phone more visible on the internet with lots of people speculating stuff. Would be a smart move to do so IMO.
That said, if they don't support WP8 on 900, people will hate them. If they support it, then there is no real reason not to support 800, 710 and the other second gens. Microsoft will not leave the lower end market out (tango), hence first gen has a great chance if 610 has a chance.
After all, Microsoft doesn't want to lose what little they have so soon.

According to a Tweet by MS_Nerd (one of those notoriously unreliable leakers) Microsoft will bring 2 OSs going forward.
The one which the Business Week called WP7.6 oder 7.7 is going to be named WP8, still based on the CE-Kernel and likely to include most of the features that the NT-Version is going to bring along.
The one which Business Week called WP8 is to be named Windows RT phone (as it is based on Windows RT - the Windows 8 version that is running ARM).
So we most likely will get WP8 with most of the features, but Microsoft introduces a new version for High End Phones including Multi Core support. WP8 will live on for the mid- to low-range Market.
At least that is what we can puzzle together if those 2 leaks are to be confirmed. Although it was pretty clear from the beginning that old devices would be missing out on some features when WP8 came along due to missing processing power/memory.

I don't think that MS would want to keep two different WP versions that have different kernel. Too much code to take care of IMHO.

Well I really hope that Windows Phone 8 will be way diffrent than WP now. Hopefully an opption to ad a start screen wallpaper instead of just the lame old lock screen wallpaper. Also I hope they let us have an unlocked file system so that we could browse our files instead of this BS where we have to use Zune currently. In other words hopefully the new WP will save us from the current one like Windows 7 saved us from Vista.

Tiles that can change sizes
Folders
Tiles with real information instead of badges, ie the missed call, and email tile will show real information
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[Q] What do you think?

Do you think this Nokia model is worth its price? What do you think about its specification and functions?

I think it's worth the price, it running pretty smooth even with this bad hardware, and apps is not a problem since you can use nokia own map app, and there are many third party stores where you can download more than 500k Android apps. But ofc u can get GAPPS to nokia X
But i find the device to be very good for it's price.

lolpok said:
I think it's worth the price, it running pretty smooth even with this bad hardware, and apps is not a problem since you can use nokia own map app, and there are many third party stores where you can download more than 500k Android apps. But ofc u can get GAPPS to nokia X
But i find the device to be very good for it's price.
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This device seems solid, don't know if it used tweaked qualcomm dalvik, if not it may be worth a try to have even faster device.

The specs seem reasonable for the price. Also interesting from a development and support point of view - it wasn't that long ago that low end Android phones still had 480x320 (e.g., Samsung Galaxy Young), and such phones are still on sale today. The installed userbase moves slower, so there are still phones at 480x320 or even 320x240 in use. So it's nice that for anything on Nokia X, we have an absolute minimum of 800x480.
I tried the UI out in the Nokia X emulator, and it seemed nice.
It will be interesting to see how many Android applications Nokia X launches with from Nokia's own Nokia Store. They seem to have done the cunning move of partnering with 3rd party Android app sites to port apps - I got an email telling me they'd already ported my apps, and they were ready to publish.

A 5 inch android phone from Nokia is really worth the price of just 109 euro I think. I will probably buy one as soon we can get custom roms for it.

Nokia XL
lolpok said:
I think it's worth the price, it running pretty smooth even with this bad hardware, and apps is not a problem since you can use nokia own map app, and there are many third party stores where you can download more than 500k Android apps. But ofc u can get GAPPS to nokia X
But i find the device to be very good for it's price.
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Nokia plans to release Nokia XL Q2 2014, much better specs than the first announced Nokia X, I'm worried about performance, compared to other Android devices, it runs Dual Core 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 CPU, Adreno 203 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon S4 Play chipset with 768 MB RAM.
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Nokia X, X+, XL
JJKPL said:
Do you think this Nokia model is worth its price? What do you think about its specification and functions?
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It's worth it's price, nowadays many local companies release android smartphones that are almost same as branded Smartphones, specially in terms of specifications. Nokia X & XL specifications are considered budget to mid-range bracket, according to tech blogs and forums, Some say the downside of this phone are lack of google applications, Nokia X & XL don't have applications such as Google Playstore, Google Maps & Gmail, however nokia provided applications, namely Nokia apps Store, via side-load.

IMHO it is absolutely worth the price coz in this range we have galaxy young, galaxy fame, xperia e, xperia j, lg l3, lg l5, desire 200, desire 300 all of which suck. If you buy any chinese phones then they have slow mediatek chipsets and no custom roms.
Thus to me this seems the best option in the price

Buying a nokia device is always better. 5 months back we all were using 512MB ram device . So 768 MB ram is not so low. And after seeing the quality of lumia devices we can go for X series.
Nokia is giving something different. We should try it. Its the combination of Windows phone and android so .. something what we want.
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Squid_Ink_7 said:
Nokia plans to release Nokia XL Q2 2014, much better specs than the first announced Nokia X, I'm worried about performance, compared to other Android devices, it runs Dual Core 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 CPU, Adreno 203 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon S4 Play chipset with 768 MB RAM.
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What device have better specs in same price range?
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It would even be more of a worthy buy if Nokia allowed us to unlock the bootloader.

blakegriplingph said:
It would even be more of a worthy buy if Nokia allowed us to unlock the bootloader.
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Totally agree!

As a old and famous brand I belive it deserve
Although Nokia hasn't that glorious, she is still a old and famous logo, and Nokia phone looks nice than most other phones, so does the quility.
I think and believe it deserve the price, cheap and reasonable.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Question about the new XL 4G from China

It looks like Microsoft Mobile is about to launch a new XL version for chinese market, with 4G LTE support, Ram 1GB and quad-core cpu 1.2ghz.
It's really interesting.
The Nokia X Platform won't be 2.0 like the Nokia X2 but always Nokia X v.1 Platform.
Do you think it will be possible to root it like the others first generation Nokia X?
Will you work to give it a very cool new rom?

DainoManthis said:
It looks like Microsoft Mobile is about to launch a new XL version for chinese market, with 4G LTE support, Ram 1GB and quad-core cpu 1.2ghz.
It's really interesting.
The Nokia X Platform won't be 2.0 like the Nokia X2 but always Nokia X v.1 Platform.
Do you think it will be possible to root it like the others first generation Nokia X?
Will you work to give it a very cool new rom?
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The only problem with Nokia (no offense) is getting the source code released, both device and kernel. If that can be done, than you can expect everything for that bad boy too.

Astoria on 10572 with 640

Any way to get Astoria on this device with this build? I really want whatsapp. And i know also that the 640 isn't officially supported.

No. But 10575 (or higher) is coming soon and will allow upgrades from 10166, so there is potential for having astoria in future builds, as long as you go slow ring then fast. But only hope, no guarantee.

since Windows 10 mobile on last legs

Microsoft will end support of W10 Mobile in December.... are there any viable options for those of us who are still happily using W10M device say a ported version of android or any other OS?....are we left holding paper weights come December since a lot of apps are already cutting and running before the end of the year?
god i miss the days of nandroid on my htc hd2 but alas father time seems to want to claim my Nokia Lumia 1520 from my clutches

Some are struggle to get windows on arm on lumia 950-950xl and more.

augustinionut said:
Some are struggle to get windows on arm on lumia 950-950xl and more.
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But what about lumia 640 xl and others?

Android roms.

There is no android rom for a great number of lumias and i hate android os. I will continue with my 640XL with project astoria build until android stop supporting kitkat

I'm happy on 1709 spoofed build on my 640 XL ? all my apps work great and I still purchase apps from ms store. I got a bad experience with Astoria so I won't use that.. I gotta good feeling about my Lumia.

Perhaps here only go to the android. Other options will be difficult.
It is a pity to hear this news, the first time I read about it.