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I've heard the rumors... T-Mo's customer service is legendary. They're the best in the game. Everyone says so!!
Rewind: October 2007. I was a Sprint customer. After 3 years of hell with Nextel, no service in Rhode Island, replacement phones, billing errors, and long wait times, I became an ex-Spring customer when I threatened to leave Sprint for T-mobile, and the customer service SUPERVISOR said to me "You do what you have to do..." *click* and hung up on me. So I did just that... I walked into a t-mobile store and bought a wing.
Fast-forward: Today. It's now 6 months later. I've had 3 warranty replacements on the Wing, then (because I was fed up with the wing) I asked for an alternate model. They told me the only other "multiple exchange" model was the Dash. So they sent me a dash (which I can't figure out because it's cheaper). That was 3 weeks ago. Today, I noticed a bunch of white lines on my screen (see my other post for a screen shot).
I just got off the phone with T-mobile. They confirmed that this is a problem with the Dash, and the brackets holding the screen apparently break for no reason at all, causing this problem. It can happen for any or no reason at all. Well, the wing might be slow and lock up and reboot itself when it wants (though I fault t-mobile's ****ty software for that) but at least it kept it's screen in tact.
So I told them I wanted a wing back. They refused, because I did not qualify for the multiple exchange, since it was only my first dash. I told them I needed a phone that DIDN'T lose it's screen at random, so I wanted the Wing back (which is what I originally paid $300 for) and they said no, because that only applies if I had 2 or more defective dash's. What the hell is wrong with this company!?!? They can't send me a Blackberry Curve (even though it's the EXACT same price as the Wing), they can't send me ANYTHING, not even a basic phone. They said if I wanted the wing now, it would cost me $400!!!
Now, looking back at Sprint, with their new CEO (who has vowed to clean up customer service) and their newest plan (simply everything), and the coolest phone I've ever seen (the Sprint "Touch") I think I'm going to pay the early termination $200 fee and switch back to sprint when I get my $600.00 economic stimulus check from the government in May, and I told the t-mobile guy that too. He said "Well, sorry to hear that, but there's nothing we can do for you..." <-- What the hell is that??? What happened to customer service? I left Sprint because they sucked, and now they're getting better and T-Mobile sucks.
Looks like I picked a bad time to leave Sprint and an even worse time to join T-Mobile.
WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT SWITCHING TO T-MOBILE OR BUYING A PDA FROM T-MOBILE: DON'T do it!!! If it's a bad model, you'll be stuck with it!!
I am SICK of getting new phones every month in the mail. It takes me about 6 hours to get my phone looking & acting the way it should. I have to flash the ROM, copy pim.vol, change the theme, remove the stupid "callstart.wav" file, hack the **** out of the registry, and set up email, internet connections, and everything else. I've wasted countless days of my life doing this.
I've reached the end of my tether. I hope a perspective T-mobile customer reads this and it helps them decide to NOT go to T-mobile. Likewise, I hope a higher-up at T-mobile reads this and gets the message.
LMFAO Dude grow up.
SpringfieldXD45C said:
I've heard the rumors... T-Mo's customer service is legendary. They're the best in the game. Everyone says so!!
Rewind: October 2007. I was a Sprint customer. After 3 years of hell with Nextel, no service in Rhode Island, replacement phones, billing errors, and long wait times, I became an ex-Spring customer when I threatened to leave Sprint for T-mobile, and the customer service SUPERVISOR said to me "You do what you have to do..." *click* and hung up on me. So I did just that... I walked into a t-mobile store and bought a wing.
Fast-forward: Today. It's now 6 months later. I've had 3 warranty replacements on the Wing, then (because I was fed up with the wing) I asked for an alternate model. They told me the only other "multiple exchange" model was the Dash. So they sent me a dash (which I can't figure out because it's cheaper). That was 3 weeks ago. Today, I noticed a bunch of white lines on my screen (see my other post for a screen shot).
I just got off the phone with T-mobile. They confirmed that this is a problem with the Dash, and the brackets holding the screen apparently break for no reason at all, causing this problem. It can happen for any or no reason at all. Well, the wing might be slow and lock up and reboot itself when it wants (though I fault t-mobile's ****ty software for that) but at least it kept it's screen in tact.
So I told them I wanted a wing back. They refused, because I did not qualify for the multiple exchange, since it was only my first dash. I told them I needed a phone that DIDN'T lose it's screen at random, so I wanted the Wing back (which is what I originally paid $300 for) and they said no, because that only applies if I had 2 or more defective dash's. What the hell is wrong with this company!?!? They can't send me a Blackberry Curve (even though it's the EXACT same price as the Wing), they can't send me ANYTHING, not even a basic phone. They said if I wanted the wing now, it would cost me $400!!!
Now, looking back at Sprint, with their new CEO (who has vowed to clean up customer service) and their newest plan (simply everything), and the coolest phone I've ever seen (the Sprint "Touch") I think I'm going to pay the early termination $200 fee and switch back to sprint when I get my $600.00 economic stimulus check from the government in May, and I told the t-mobile guy that too. He said "Well, sorry to hear that, but there's nothing we can do for you..." <-- What the hell is that??? What happened to customer service? I left Sprint because they sucked, and now they're getting better and T-Mobile sucks.
Looks like I picked a bad time to leave Sprint and an even worse time to join T-Mobile.
WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT SWITCHING TO T-MOBILE OR BUYING A PDA FROM T-MOBILE: DON'T do it!!! If it's a bad model, you'll be stuck with it!!
I am SICK of getting new phones every month in the mail. It takes me about 6 hours to get my phone looking & acting the way it should. I have to flash the ROM, copy pim.vol, change the theme, remove the stupid "callstart.wav" file, hack the **** out of the registry, and set up email, internet connections, and everything else. I've wasted countless days of my life doing this.
I've reached the end of my tether. I hope a perspective T-mobile customer reads this and it helps them decide to NOT go to T-mobile. Likewise, I hope a higher-up at T-mobile reads this and gets the message.
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Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today! I for one would never EVER go to sprint. I don't care how much 3g or EV-DO they have...I used to be work for sprints technical support desk and i absolutely hated it! all they cared was for you to get off the phone as quickly as you could try to sell some add-on crap that you didnt need... retrigger the IOTA (internet over the air refresh) and get off the phone ASAP! and the reson why the tech do this is they dont get a bonus if they dont have an average call time under 7 minutes! i went to work for them thinking it was a technical job and all it was , was a front for over the phone sales! i was only there for 8 months and i hit the door as soon as the opportunity arose.
Maybe its you, not the phones. Ever think about that.
T-Mobile is not here to exchange any phone "YOU" decide to mod, drop, throw, dunk,etc.
They have a limit on how many, per customer, can get an exchange.
There is a thing called insurance you can buy from them, for this specific reason.
Pay up to keep getting a new phone every 4-6 months.
And see, I am the exact opposite of what the first poster said, I am a current SunCom Wireless customer, who was just bought out by T-Mobile, and I have had nothing but good things from TM's customer service. I called them about getting a Wing, and if they would provide me with a TM SIM card that would work with my SunCom plan....which wont work of course, so instead they say-"Hold on one moment and let me look at your account...(so I give em my account number, a SUNCOM account number mind you)and the dude comes back and says, well with your anytime rewards(basically 5USD off of a new phone that yoy get for every month you stay with SunCom), you can get a Wing for 249.99, and we will go ahead and SIM unlock it for you before we ship it, so that you can use it with SunCom. Then when SunCom and TM become one company, we will send you a TM SIM card(because thats what they are doing with everybody) and you will still be able to use your SunCom services and current billing prices." So of course I say hell yeah, and give the guy my debit card number, and he comes back and says, "Oh, and you also qualify for free next day air!" so hell yeah, I do LOVE TMs customer service already, and im not even one of their customers yet! BTW, teh Wing=AWESOME!
I sort of had a similar experience.
I had a Shadow, and did not like it, I really wanted the Dash to begin with..
I called and asked to send the Shadow back, and that was fine, but they wanted me to pay $200 upfront.
After thinking about it, I said no.
Called back asked for a supervisor, who immediately called the proper department, got my phone sent out FREE, gave me the rebate instantly, and also sent me a free bluetooth headset.
I have no problem with T-mobile, but if you do, call back and ask for a supervisor.
I LUV me dash and I think that Tmobile is probably the best mobile phone company. Hell they didn't ever try to sell up, but they did help me downgrade my plan with courtesy and respect and no additional months on my contract.
As to your problems with the Dash, I am sorry I would still get another. Even great products have some problems with them. I have had my Dash for over a year and couldn't possibly be more pleased. I keep it in a case and it is in pristine condition. My contract is over and I really would like a 3g device but there isn't anything I would like more than the dash out there. Especially with google's web page compression and the opera mini.
I work at IT at a hospital and most...no every smartphone has KNOWN problems with them. Please don't ask about getting a TREO..... You won't see known issues broadcast anywhere unless you are an major enterprise client. Cellular companies don't usually ever mention problems to nickel and dime clients.
My sister has major problems keeping a working cellphone for more than 4 months since they stopped making them large plasic bricks in the 90's. She has had her Dash for over a year as well. It has a large crack in the screen (no actual harm just a large crack). Various large gashes and the power button has to be pushed extra hard but it's still workin! So if you ask me it is a brick.
Tmobile is different. They only have edge no 3g at all that is a dealbreaker with enterprise clients. They only have nickel and dime clients. I think in general Tmobile have to be nice to their personal clients and they are. Just don't put a pink logo on your website!
Allright... for those of you telling me to "Grow up" and "Maybe it's not T-mobile, it's you" First of all, I'd like to remind you that I'm at least being polite to you. See, I reply to topics to give USEFUL information, not scathing remarks. That makes for somethign we like to call "a pleasant atmosphere". Perhaps you've never heard of that before. So how about YOU grow up? Thanks
I'd also like to point out that "I" am hardly the reason for the following WING issues:
Phone #1: Random reboots, battery lasted for 2 hours max, touch screen would stop working, and only come back after a reboot.
Phone #2: Extremely slow (timed: 34 seconds for the start menu to appear after pushing the start button.. OUT OF THE BOX), random reboots.
Phone #3: Internet would not work at all. On the phone with PDA Tech support who walked me through everything he wanted me to do, then finally HE suggested replacing the phone.
Phone #4: Would not power on at all.
Phone #5: The dash: Everything is working fine. Today, while sitting on my desk (e.g. not being dropped, submersed, etc.) a bunch of white lines appear on my screen. A member of this board said he had the same problem, and even T-Mobile said it was a known issue...
I'm sorry, but please explain to me HOW that is "me" and not t-mobile!??! You've obviously proven to me what great intelligence you have by demonstrating your innate, Jedi-like ability to sit at a keyboard and say "Dude, grow up" and "Maybe it's you not t-mobile" So please explain, Captain SDA... I eagerly await your solution to "my" problems with these "perfect" phones.
My mom once told me "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". Clearly your moms never told you that, Perhaps you should ask YOUR mom for that same advice. Judging by your superior online personalities, that shouldn't be too hard: Just leave your basement and walk upstairs. I'm sorry you don't understand the value of a dollar, and the fact that I have now spent $300 on a phone that doesn't work, and I religiously pay my bill for a service I can barely use. I'm sorry that upsets me. You're right, I shouldn't complain about that.
*** sigh ***
For the rest of you: Thanks for the advice about going back to sprint. The only reason I'm even thinking about it right now is because of all the good things I heard about the new CEO and the changes he's making, and I'm excited about the Samsung Instinct as well as the Sprint HTC Touch, which I personally got to use and it was lightning fast!!
My point was that T-Mobiles history with you as their customer.
When i read the story, i thought, this guy has no luck with phones. Do you honestly think T-Mobile will start giving away replacements to a person that has a history of mishaps? Look at it from their point of view also.
The thing is these days, people think everything is about themselves.
Sorry if you hate my replies. I tell things the way I see them. I don't sugar coat anything.
If you had said THAT instead of "Dude grow up" at first, it would've been a little nicer, don't you think?? Do you think I don't have enough on my plate already, after bleeding out all kinds of money for a damn phone & service that I can't even use, without having to put up with wisecrack remarks??
Yes, I DO expect T-Mobile to stand behind their products.
I respect the hell out of calling shots as you see them, but I question HOW they're seen. Throw me a bone, will you??
SpringfieldXD45C said:
If you had said THAT instead of "Dude grow up" at first, it would've been a little nicer, don't you think?? Do you think I don't have enough on my plate already, after bleeding out all kinds of money for a damn phone & service that I can't even use, without having to put up with wisecrack remarks??
Yes, I DO expect T-Mobile to stand behind their products.
I respect the hell out of calling shots as you see them, but I question HOW they're seen. Throw me a bone, will you??
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*tosses a bone in the air *
Kidding
SPRINT!!!
you know even if i had 10 phones break on me, through running normal software or even modified i would like the company to replace, even if it was my fault... thats what u pay insurance for and thats what makes great customer service. Think about it... how many people know more about the phones then someone that modifies them? not your average user, i referred about 15 people just because sprint is so good with me breaking my phone anyway i did( twice but w/e), not just a new phone but every little thing(a new box, battery, phone, 2x stylus, etc...). no need to grow up its a normal thing to worm someone about a HORRIBLE service provider, i've had sprint for a couple months no complaints, well maybe my bill once but i just shot them an email about my bill being $300, next day they gave me an extra $500. if u switch to sprint get the sero account and you may want to do it fast because no one knows how much longer that type of plan is going to be available....
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you know even if i had 10 phones break on me, through running normal software or even modified i would like the company to replace, even if it was my fault... thats what u pay insurance for and thats what makes great customer service. Think about it... how many people know more about the phones then someone that modifies them? not your average user, i referred about 15 people just because sprint is so good with me breaking my phone anyway i did( twice but w/e), not just a new phone but every little thing(a new box, battery, phone, 2x stylus, etc...). no need to grow up its a normal thing to worm someone about a HORRIBLE service provider, i've had sprint for a couple months no complaints, well maybe my bill once but i just shot them an email about my bill being $300, next day they gave me an extra $500. if u switch to sprint get the sero account and you may want to do it fast because no one knows how much longer that type of plan is going to be available....
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Yea but the key element of your situation that makes it different from the person that made this thread is that you have INSURANCE! things are a whole heckofalot different when you have insurance. When you don't, you stand a chance at ending up like this poor guy! The only thing about insurance i absolutely despise is you always get a reburb.
I have to disagree...If i had a company and sold you a phone. If you modify the rom in any way, warranty is void.
I think even with insurance it gets voided. (I may be wrong)
Mikey1022 said:
I have to disagree...If i had a company and sold you a phone. If you modify the rom in any way, warranty is void.
I think even with insurance it gets voided. (I may be wrong)
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No because most insurance plans cover damage ... which cover both physical and software.firmware damage.....
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No because most insurance plans cover damage ... which cover both physical and software.firmware damage.....
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original and modified firmware?
Mikey1022 said:
original and modified firmware?
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Yes! Heck even if it didnt and the insurance covered only physical damage. I'd beat the heck out of the phone so it wouldnt turn on to find out which firmware or ROM was installed. I mean if you think about it , the phone companies make a buttload of money gettin $5 ( or more) a month for monthly insurance charges,,,, then the customer still has to fork out a deductible when they use the insurance. So trust me, I'd love to offer insurance. Lastly most insurance policies limit the nunber of exchanges to 2 or 3 per year. so it would insure that they couldn't abuse the insurance plan
it sucks about the issues you are experiencing, but do you think this is the right forum (no pun intended) for this issue? in my opinion, you will have better luck discussing this issue with mid - senior level management at T-Mobile USA; not with a bunch of people looking to modify their mobile devices.
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it sucks about the issues you are experiencing, but do you think this is the right forum (no pun intended) for this issue? in my opinion, you will have better luck discussing this issue with mid - senior level management at T-Mobile USA; not with a bunch of people looking to modify their mobile devices.
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I agree. The mods should close this thread
I have no other place to vent, and to be honest, I was hoping to get a former T-mobile employee (or someone) who would send me a PM or leave a post with a bit of a tip in it.
If nothing else, I'm outraged and I need to vent (something wrong with that??) It's only natural.
By the way, this has nothing to do with insurance... this is still warranty!! And how do you figure flashing the ROM voids the warranty?? It changes no physical part of the phone... and as long as you can flash the factory ROM back onto it, (thus making the phone still useable) what harm was done?
I see nothing in the warranty about flashing the ROM as being grounds for voiding.
I bought an almost new S3 LTE SGH-T999L for my son off CL. It checked OK on swappa and it worked for a week, then unable to connect to network. Swappa now says blacklisted. DOH!
It sucks to have a $350 paper weight! I tried to contact the seller with no luck.
Couple questions...
Any way to fix it?
Can this model be downgraded to 4.1.1 to use free unlock method and even then will it possibly work on anther carrier is the US. I know it will work outside the US if unlocked.
I contacted T-Mobile and they said nothing I can do, only the original owner can have the blacklist lifted.
Any help or advice much appreciated!
Also let this be a lesson to all...just because it works when you buy it, don't mean it wont go belly-up in a week. :crying:
Sorry I didn't answer your PM before. Wasn't ignoring you. Unfortunately your options are extremely limited.
You will have to pay for an unlock code online (see the last couple pages of the unlock thread), and then sell overseas. Just please be honest about it to whoever you sell it to in case they plan on bringing it to the states.
Personally, I'd also file a police report. May not come to anything, but if the guy gets arrested for anything else, or enough people file a report against him for similar stuff, you may then have some recourse against him. But he has twice committed fraud, or theft by deception (or something like that). First against T-Mobile, then against you.
Once unlocked, it might work on other carriers here, but not for long. I'm told all US carriers will be sharing the same blacklist by year's end. I've also heard it may also be shared with Canadian carriers as well.
Sorry to hear that happened to you. You're definitely not alone! This happens all the time, unfortunately.
Never buy used unless you make the transaction in person at a T-Mobile store where the seller can prove they have paid for the device in full and are allowed to sell it. Also, have a note made on both accounts (preferably by a manager) that the sale is made so they can't report it stolen a few weeks later.
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I hear you, but it never goes down like that. I've bought and sold 30 or 40 smartphones. First time I've ever got burnt. I make small profit along, but this one is a stinger. I've had people want to meet me at Verizon, ATT and T-Mobile and every time I met them there all the store employees would say is if the sim card works it's ok.
Of course you could ask for a receipt...but what if it's a reseller like myself? I've had one receipt the whole time. Most of the time you can spot a fraud and steer clear. I check esn on swappa and/or Verizon site. I guess it's just a risky thing and I've been very lucky so far.
I did get a guy on ebay to unlock the phone for $10 last night. It works with a Lycamobile sim(T-Mobile reseller) and also works with a new LTE ATT Straight Talk sim...recieves LTE even. Maybe not for long...but it works fine now and it's been blacklisted about a month.
Guy on ebay unlocks clean phones for $5 & blacklisted for $10, he does remote into your pc to do it, but it only takes 2-3 minutes. He gave me the code, but it was never needed.
I'm a PagePlus dealer and I do alot of carrier flashing, not to beat blacklist, but to get more use from older 3G devices. Anytime I sell a phone I always give a 2 days return policy if they change their mind.
The seller of the phone should be able to get some sort of confirmation off of his own account showing he is not currently making payments on it. If the employees are only saying to see if the SIM works, they are just being lazy or ignorant! With the owners permission they can look it up, or call support from the phone and have him ask them to verify on speaker so you can hear. I'm just trying to say there's other ways to get the info before buying.
I'd say that if you've bought that many you are pretty lucky. But for the blacklisted one that worked on other carriers...expect it not to on AT&T very soon and all other US carriers around the end of the year. Right now T-Mobile and AT&T share their lists, but don't use the same one, so it'll often take a few weeks to catch up. As I understand it, once the national list is in place, all carriers will be using the same one so it'll be more instant.
I have spoken to a few people who bought their phone used and all seemed good, but then nearly 2 months later it got blacklisted! Some people are apparently selling it, but then waiting a month or two to report it stolen!
I just hope that if one of your customers gets blacklisted a few weeks after buying from you, you will be willing to at least exchange it.
But before you try and sell this one, please consider that it's practically a given that it's not gonna work for very long.
Also, (and I'm not sure of the ramifications here) keep in mind that you are knowingly in possession of stolen property. That by itself is probably not a big deal for you, legally speaking, since it happens to so many people and hardly no one knows what they are buying when this happens to them. But if you sell it, you will be knowingly selling stolen goods. If one of your customers gets blacklisted, you could be the one held liable.
Don't take it wrong, I'm just trying to help!
And I'm just curious, what do you mean by "carrier flashing"?
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I understand where you're coming from and I will not sell this phone except to one particular customer who takes them outside the country. My son is using it now on LycaMobile which is a UK based reseller using T-Molile towers. We will see how long it lasts...strange circumstance there since the provider is not from the US, will they also adhere to universal blacklist? I dunno...time will tell. At $30 per month they are cheapest unlimited I know of(Only 50MB 4G data, then 2G/3G).
I run a legitimate part time business and have rarely had phones returned, but always made the customer happy. Happy customers come back and most of my profit is selling refills and flashing/rooting/unlocking...not the actual phone sales.
Carrier flashing: Mainly I've flashed older Metro phones to work on PagePlus and GS3's from Sprint or Verizon must be flashed for pageplus because they don't yet allow 4G phones. I never do any ESN changes. I'm an old techie and I go way back to Nextel mods in mid 90's. lol
BTW I installed CM 10.1.2 RC2 right from the phone yesterday after originally flashing the CM10 linked in Doc's T999L thread. It flashed perfect right through CM update utility automatically and seems to run perfectly.
In all my local forums, people keep saying their G4 has died with mainly motherboard problem, then need to go to LG to fix it, and even LG ran out of motherboard and asked a lot of them to wait for a week or two for new motherboard. All photos or anything cannot be got out and totally lost once motherboard just died. Do you have similar experience?
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In all my local forums, people keep saying their G4 has died with mainly motherboard problem, then need to go to LG to fix it, and even LG ran out of motherboard and asked a lot of them to wait for a week or two for new motherboard. All photos or anything cannot be got out and totally lost once motherboard just died. Do you have similar experience?
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Just got hit by this myself..
How old were this devices?
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How old were this devices?
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There are reports from other carriers like Sprint and T-Mobile of similar incidents. It is effecting some devices manufactured before September 2015.
KennyG123 said:
There are reports from other carriers like Sprint and T-Mobile of similar incidents. It is effecting some devices manufactured before September 2015.
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Dang.. my Verizon g4 is manufactured on 08/2015 :/ let's hope is unaffected. And which are the symptoms of this failure ?
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Dang.. my Verizon g4 is manufactured on 08/2015 :/ let's hope is unaffected. And which are the symptoms of this failure ?
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It just goes into a bootloop never to return.
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It just goes into a bootloop never to return.
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Or in my case..bootloops and now it ll just shut down entirely after showing the LG boot logo for a few seconds..it wont do anything at all unless I pull the battery, put it back in..and then it does the same. So..for all intends and purposes this thing is dead.
Mine was a hw v1.0 manufactured in May of 15.
I'm pissed..lost a ton of pics and vids of my newborn
I had to send mine in 3 weeks ago for major overheating issues and unresponsive touchscreen. I received it back on Saturday. Overheating issues still happening, but now I can't make or receive calls. I had to send it back again. LG Customer support is awful.
Got my Verizon G4 on Nov 1.
Manufacturers Date Oct. 2015
Died 3rd week November.
Mailed back to LG and got my phone back 2 weeks later.
Still testing my repaired unit (was hoping for a replacement but no go).
Using stress test app several hours a day.
So far, OK...
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I had to send mine in 3 weeks ago for major overheating issues and unresponsive touchscreen. I received it back on Saturday. Overheating issues still happening, but now I can't make or receive calls. I had to send it back again. LG Customer support is awful.
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As I mentioned elsewhere I'm very much done with LG. First they didn't acknowledge issues with the gps chips in many of the G2..(went thru 4 of em) and now this..on top of the touchscreen issue (which got a bit better with recent updates) something that once again seems to be down to poor quality control and is being swept under the rug. Ridiculous really.
Back to Moto, HTC or perhaps go with Samsung for the first time (somehow managed to avoid them since starting with the OG Droid) when I can upgrade again. Sucks because I really love the LG cameras in particular and the removable battery n storage.
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As I mentioned elsewhere I'm very much done with LG. First they didn't acknowledge issues with the gps chips in many of the G2..(went thru 4 of em) and now this..on top of the touchscreen issue (which got a bit better with recent updates) something that once again seems to be down to poor quality control and is being swept under the rug. Ridiculous really.
Back to Moto, HTC or perhaps go with Samsung for the first time (somehow managed to avoid them since starting with the OG Droid) when I can upgrade again.
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I was considering getting the Nexus 6P and selling the LG G4, but I don't think I want a phone quite that big again (previous phone was the HTC One Max). That, and if there's one thing I love about it, it's the camera which is hard to give up. The manual controls are great.
But dealing with their Customer Support is enough to take my business elsewhere going forward. My wife, sister, and I all go the LG G4 on release. Theirs ended up fine, but that's almost $2,000 in sales right there. A supervisor doesn't have the power to do overnight shipping. What BS. Over a month without my phone when you consider that I have to send it in back-to-back times. And HOPE that it comes back repaired this time.
With Verizon Wireless, just call Verizon Wireless Level 2 support at 1-866-892-7957. They will send you a Certified Like New Replacement by FedEx Express and then you either return your original phone or the new one should you not like the new one using the pre-paid shipping label. They do not care where you bought the phone as long as it's a model that Verizon Wireless sold so basically you get the 12 months manufacturers warranty. If you have Total Equipment Coverage, then the warranty is as long as you still have TEC and the phone gets sent FedEx Express Standard Overnight. You have 5 days to send a phone back to them but in reality, it's a month.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/certified-like-new-replacements/
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With Verizon Wireless, just call Verizon Wireless Level 2 support at 1-866-892-7957. They will send you a Certified Like New Replacement by FedEx Express and then you either return your original phone or the new one should you not like the new one using the pre-paid shipping label. They do not care where you bought the phone as long as it's a model that Verizon Wireless sold so basically you get the 12 months manufacturers warranty. If you have Total Equipment Coverage, then the warranty is as long as you still have TEC and the phone gets sent FedEx Express Standard Overnight. You have 5 days to send a phone back to them but in reality, it's a month.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/certified-like-new-replacements/
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Even if we have closed the account with Verizon?
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Even if we have closed the account with Verizon?
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No, you have to be a current Verizon Wireless customer.
I have a G4 (VS-986) originally bought in June 2015 (and then replaced twice on the spot by Verizon when it broke on two different occasions, including another bootloop about a year ago).
I went to the LG website, looked up support, reported my purchase date, provided a PDF of my receipt, and picked one of the "Power" problems when asked what the issue was.
The website took my return immediately, gave me a prepaid shipping label, and LG fixed it in a week flat. (They replaced the mainboard; serial number is the same.) So I can confirm they are fixing phones with this problem regardless of warranty.
Here is another good thread about it:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g4/636120-kinda-official-lg-g4-bootloop-thread-37.html
Verizon LG G4 purchased right after release in 2015. Bootlooped last Monday 10/10, replacement arrived Saturday through Verizon's service center in Texas. Serial number on replacement starts with 506, which I believe means assembled June 2015. I presume it was refurbished due to motherboard failure associated with bootloop.
I don't have a landline and the lack of a smartphone last week was damaging to my business and personal life. I need to know if the replacement G4 models are reliable or not.
If I get rid of the G4 preferences are either HTC 10 or Google Pixel. Would wait for reviews if the Pixel. Verizon currently offers $300 credit if I trade the G4 in for either of these.
htcnext said:
Verizon LG G4 purchased right after release in 2015. Bootlooped last Monday 10/10, replacement arrived Saturday through Verizon's service center in Texas. Serial number on replacement starts with 506, which I believe means assembled June 2015. I presume it was refurbished due to motherboard failure associated with bootloop.
I don't have a landline and the lack of a smartphone last week was damaging to my business and personal life. I need to know if the replacement G4 models are reliable or not.
If I get rid of the G4 preferences are either HTC 10 or Google Pixel. Would wait for reviews if the Pixel. Verizon currently offers $300 credit if I trade the G4 in for either of these.
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I would go for a Pixel. G4 is great phone but Pixel is the only phone I would trade me G4 for
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htcnext said:
Verizon LG G4 purchased right after release in 2015. Bootlooped last Monday 10/10, replacement arrived Saturday through Verizon's service center in Texas. Serial number on replacement starts with 506, which I believe means assembled June 2015. I presume it was refurbished due to motherboard failure associated with bootloop.
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When does your warranty run out ?
I don't have a landline and the lack of a smartphone last week was damaging to my business and personal life. I need to know if the replacement G4 models are reliable or not.
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Can't say. There are people who've had problems with refurbs just months after. A better option is if they replace the motherboard with new instead of refurb. serial would start with 6 in that case.
Do you have the option to ask for that instead? ie send it back in again and have them put a new board in. More reliable than a refurb.
Anyone on a refurb want to post if their phone has been good for several months ?
If I get rid of the G4 preferences are either HTC 10 or Google Pixel. Would wait for reviews if the Pixel. Verizon currently offers $300 credit if I trade the G4 in for either of these.
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I'd have a backup phone at all times, just good practice. problems can happen any time, you could lose it or have it stolen.
One Twelve said:
When does your warranty run out ?
Can't say. There are people who've had problems with refurbs just months after. A better option is if they replace the motherboard with new instead of refurb. serial would start with 6 in that case.
Do you have the option to ask for that instead? ie send it back in again and have them put a new board in. More reliable than a refurb.
Anyone on a refurb want to post if their phone has been good for several months ?
I'd have a backup phone at all times, just good practice. problems can happen any time, you could lose it or have it stolen.
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I do not think Verizon would be willing to replace the unit again unless it fails. Since I purchased the unit at its release in June 2015, technically the warranty had expired when the bootloop happened last week. For US customers I believe the policy is for Verizon to replace devices due to the defect even beyond warranty period. Also, I asked and was told the warranty on the replacement device is 12 months. My latest idea is to play lots of demanding games like Riptide GP and Real Racing 3 to stress test it. Perhaps this will reveal if the hardware is faulty. If the replacement device bootloops I plan to ask Verizon for a different device.
Keeping a spare Android phone around is something I had not considered before. Too bad, wife switched to iPhone recently and we sold her old HTC one M8. I should have kept that one.
I'm in the same situation. Although mine hasn't bootlooped yet. It has randomly rebooted at least twice in the past three days since doing a software update where the phone got very hot. I just want it fixed or replaced before it starts bootlooping.
I'm considering calling Verizon and asking them if they can replace the phone with something else with no charge to me. I'm pretty sure that they can give me a refurbished G4. But there's no guarantee that it won't experience the same problem.
If I go through Lg, it could take up to a week and half and I really can't go that long without a phone. LG told me to go to my carrier and ask for a loaner phone while I send this one in to have the main board replaced.
I'm pretty confident that LG will fix it, but Verizon I'm not so sure about.
I also bought this phone on Swappa brand new. I also don't have any insurance on it. These two reason alone don't give me much hope that Verizon is going to help me. And also because I'm paying payments to them and it's not the original phone that I started the payments on.
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So an update.
I called Verizon and they ran diagnostics on my phone over the phone. They said my battery temp seemed slightly high. They gave me instructions on how to diagnose it further.
First they said to reboot into safe mode. Basically you hold down the power button, then long press power off. Then you get a pop up to boot into safe mode. This is so you can rule out any third party apps causing the issues. This limits you to use only the apps that came installed on it. I thought to myself, how in the world am I going to be able to use this phone enough to replicate it rebooting. Sure enough when I went to charge the phone, I opened up chrome to browse around all while listening to music and it rebooted by itself. So that rules out any apps causing it. So the next step is to take it into a Verizon location, not a retail store, and they can give me a warranty replacement. The reason they told me to try it in safe mode was if they replaced it and there wasn't anything wrong with the hardware, they would charge me. This way they can replace it for free.
The guy that I talked to was super helpful and understanding. It was the best service I've ever received from them. I was even behind in my payments, and he didn't even pressure me into making a payment.
I also asked if it would be possible to get my phone replaced with something different. He said if they replace my G4 twice, then they would more than likely be able to get me into a different phone. I told him I totally understood and that I wasn't just trying to get a new phone. I shared with him my apprehension in getting another G4 because it's likely to happen again.
So, once I'm able to make a payment to get my bill current, I'll be heading into a Verizon location and hopefully be walking out with a replacement G4.
And I was worried that they wouldn't even work with me because I didn't buy my phone from them or another big retailer.
Just thought I'd share my experience in case anyone is interested in knowing what the options are.
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I can't speak for the replacement G4s but I will say that I sent mine (Verizon version) in to LG about 6 or 7 months ago and they did the motherboard swap (or however they fix the boot loop) and I've had no issues with it since. Getting it fixed was free as well since LG had fully acknowledged there was a hardware problem.
Mine bootlooped two days ago and I went to a Verizon store and they ordered a warranty replacement that I received the very next day. It's working great so far. The phone looks brand new. They just sent me the phone. No battery, back cover or charger. But it seems like performance is quicker and battery life seems to be better and more consistent.
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seems like its happening more and more by the looks of the threads on this section.
Last night I was sending a text to my brother (had it on wifi and about 40-50% battery), and POOF my 5X turned off. Then it appeared as if it was just going to restart and the "Google" startup screen popped up for a few seconds but never made it to the bouncing balls startup animation.
It then went dark again. I tried to start it up again and again showed Google, then nothing.
Held Power and Volume down for 15 seconds and scrolled to power off
tried to start it again and showed Google then nothing.
Held power and volume buttons again and went to restart, this time nothing.
held power for a long time nothing, held power volume nothing.
No signs of life, Called Google and they said it would probably need to be replaced and connected me to LG since I didnt buy it from the Google store, LG support was really bad, connection was bad didnt really understand what I was saying and worst of all was very very rude and tried to talk down to me.
Left the phone all night without the charger plugged in, this morning went to turn on my coffee machine and just thought to check the phone, held the power button and the indicator light flashed red.
I got excited and plugged it in and it appeared like it was starting to charge, left it for a while after coffee I touched the power just to see if it was still charging, the battery icon was moving then froze.
then it started trying to start up showing Google then nothing.
I held power and volume down and went to recovery after that it appeared to start up normally, went to Google, then bouncing ball android animation then showed my lock screen, BUT touch screen, fingerprint scanner and physical buttons were all not responsive.
Man so FRUSTRATING
Did you have a question or just venting?
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Did you have a question or just venting?
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Not so much a question, but just posting my troubleshooting methodology and steps taken to get it repaired.
Venting, definitely.
This weekend, I received an email from LG to request repair.
I clicked on the link (to an LG site) and there I found I could not request repair for my phone (H791) because apparently LG.com is JUST for USA phones. I called and again had a rude customer service person tell me that they would not be able to repair my phone because the H790 and H791 are too different (LOL)
I went back to their site and sent a very stern email to their customer service telling them how I have been dismissed and not getting anywhere and that I did not appreciate the fact that they would not repair LG product regardless of the intended country.
They finally got back to me and said my phone came from Germany and I would need to contact LG Germany to have my phone repaired.
In the mean time I got with Groupon (where I bought the phone) and they told me to contact [email protected] or 1-800-551-8225 x204 which is the company that was selling through their website.
But I still have not heard back from them either.
el_mariachi_4 said:
Not so much a question, but just posting my troubleshooting methodology and steps taken to get it repaired.
Venting, definitely.
This weekend, I received an email from LG to request repair.
I clicked on the link (to an LG site) and there I found I could not request repair for my phone (H791) because apparently LG.com is JUST for USA phones. I called and again had a rude customer service person tell me that they would not be able to repair my phone because the H790 and H791 are too different (LOL)
I went back to their site and sent a very stern email to their customer service telling them how I have been dismissed and not getting anywhere and that I did not appreciate the fact that they would not repair LG product regardless of the intended country.
They finally got back to me and said my phone came from Germany and I would need to contact LG Germany to have my phone repaired.
In the mean time I got with Groupon (where I bought the phone) and they told me to contact [email protected] or 1-800-551-8225 x204 which is the company that was selling through their website.
But I still have not heard back from them either.
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I had a similar, yet somewhat different experience.
I called the LG HQ in AL. Long story short, I was transferred to a Mobile Division Supervisor who is located in the Philippines. I received the same response (that LG US is not equipped to repair phones from other markets due to parts not being identical, etc) but his digging found that the H791 is a product of the UK and Australia.
He gave me the phone number for LG UK but I opted to open a case through www.lg.com/uk. The model was identified immediately, unlike the US site.
The only problem is - you need a physical address in the UK or Ireland, which I happen to have via a colleague who agreed to receive the phone and ship back to me if/when it is repaired and sent back by LG UK.
According to the response after opening the case, someone from LG will contact us to go through troubleshooting (the usual B.S.) and if unsuccessful they will take the phone for repair.
We'll see how it goes, but clearly there should be a class action against LG. It is unacceptable that two huge companies (LG and Google) will shake their hands off of this issue with so many complaints. IANAL and I don't have the slightest clue on how to start a class action lawsuit against LG.
sbi1 said:
I had a similar, yet somewhat different experience.
I called the LG HQ in AL. Long story short, I was transferred to a Mobile Division Supervisor who is located in the Philippines. I received the same response (that LG US is not equipped to repair phones from other markets due to parts not being identical, etc) but his digging found that the H791 is a product of the UK and Australia.
He gave me the phone number for LG UK but I opted to open a case through www.lg.com/uk. The model was identified immediately, unlike the US site.
The only problem is - you need a physical address in the UK or Ireland, which I happen to have via a colleague who agreed to receive the phone and ship back to me if/when it is repaired and sent back by LG UK.
According to the response after opening the case, someone from LG will contact us to go through troubleshooting (the usual B.S.) and if unsuccessful they will take the phone for repair.
We'll see how it goes, but clearly there should be a class action against LG. It is unacceptable that two huge companies (LG and Google) will shake their hands off of this issue with so many complaints. IANAL and I don't have the slightest clue on how to start a class action lawsuit against LG.
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hmmmm, that is very odd that the H791 in your case would be for UK, and mine would show up for Germany, this kind of confirmed my thoughts as there is a (DE) written on the box after the model number.
I am going to call the vendor here in a little as they have still not answered my emails and see if anyone picks up the phone.
If that does not work I will ping Groupon again, and finally if that does not work I am going to contact LG Germany. I have a friend stationed with the US Air Force in Stuttgart, maybe he can "lend" me his address
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hmmmm, that is very odd that the H791 in your case would be for UK, and mine would show up for Germany, this kind of confirmed my thoughts as there is a (DE) written on the box after the model number.
I am going to call the vendor here in a little as they have still not answered my emails and see if anyone picks up the phone.
If that does not work I will ping Groupon again, and finally if that does not work I am going to contact LG Germany. I have a friend stationed with the US Air Force in Stuttgart, maybe he can "lend" me his address
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So maybe it is indeed a fully international version that can be repaired in several countries. I just tried the German LG site and H791 was recognized there as well.
We bought ours on ebay, clearly there is no one to talk to on that channel [emoji20]
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So maybe it is indeed a fully international version that can be repaired in several countries. I just tried the German LG site and H791 was recognized there as well.
We bought ours on ebay, clearly there is no one to talk to on that channel [emoji20]
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do you remember who you spoke to at LG?
maybe I can talk to them as well. Everytime I call I hit a brick wall with any of the customer service people that I have interacted with.
I bought my mother a 5x to replace her broken iphone from ebay, so I am going to cross that bridge as well...
I called the HQ number in Huntsville AL, 256-772-8860. It was around 12:30 pm local time and apparently the receptionist was at lunch so a guy name James Wosinsky (not sure if the spelling is correct) who identified himself as the security supervisor picked up. He was very helpful and understanding and offered an option to escalate the situation. He then transferred the call to the supervisor in the mobile division.
Hope this helps.
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I called the HQ number in Huntsville AL, 256-772-8860. It was around 12:30 pm local time and apparently the receptionist was at lunch so a guy name James Wosinsky (not sure if the spelling is correct) who identified himself as the security supervisor picked up. He was very helpful and understanding and offered an option to escalate the situation. He then transferred the call to the supervisor in the mobile division.
Hope this helps.
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Yes that helps alot!
a name and title is always helpful
Just an update, but I called and finally got someone on the phone at Metro Business systems, that is the company that was behind my particular Groupon 5X.
After being transferred around, I finally got in touch with a guy who sent an email (and cc'd me) to the sales rep for Groupon. fingers crossed.
Update:
Metro Business systems, will not honor their warranty on the 5X, they instead want to sell me an iphone at a "discounted" price...
I found their CEOs email and I am going to CC him, and I will be contacting the Better Business Bureau
Update:
Still no answer from the CEO, got an email from the BBB, but still nothing from Metro. I contacted Groupon and said that it is terrible customer service that they allow a company like this to sell through their website and then not help the customers when sellers become unresponsive.
So I started searching and because Metro is not honoring their warranty this is considered a breach of warranty. AND I can now get the Federal Trade Commission involved. Which I did.
(FYI, read the book, The Art of Complaining Effectively)
UPDATE: VICTORY!
After really leaning on the Groupon customer service and alerting them to the FTC inquiry into their warranty policy and Metro's I have received a full refund!
Good on groupon