Huge battery drain - G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

After upgraded to Android 6.0, the battery drain apparently is much higher. Especially while I am sleeping at night, I found the battery might go down to 2-7% from 50%. I have no idea if it is caused by the new Android 6.0 or any new app I installed. Can someone advise me how to ascertain it and fix it. Thanks!

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ScottXe said:
After upgraded to Android 6.0, the battery drain apparently is much higher. Especially while I am sleeping at night, I found the battery might go down to 2-7% from 50%. I have no idea if it is caused by the new Android 6.0 or any new app I installed. Can someone advise me how to ascertain it and fix it. Thanks!
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bulletproof is factory reset. normally stanby is strong side of mm, i get usually 2% overnight with wifi and sync always on. mm is weaker regarding battery during daily active usage.
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Perhaps you could try the app "Wakelock detector free" to see what applications are causing your trouble.

It's a common issue that's been present since lollipop...
It's probably Google Play services...
Go in Settings/privacy and search for google framework and play services and block them from starting on boot and autostarting.
Next thing you want to do is of course shut down WiFi/bluetooth/NFC or any other connection (just put it in airplane mode).
Another thing you want to do is downloading the Greenify app from the play store and hibernate EVERYTHING but the messaging apps (otherwise you won't receive any message.)
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S1luX said:
It's a common issue that's been present since lollipop...
It's probably Google Play services...
Go in Settings/privacy and search for google framework and play services and block them from starting on boot and autostarting.
Next thing you want to do is of course shut down WiFi/bluetooth/NFC or any other connection (just put it in airplane mode).
Another thing you want to do is downloading the Greenify app from the play store and hibernate EVERYTHING but the messaging apps (otherwise you won't receive any message.)
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There is no privacy under Settings. Can you provide greater detail how to get into privacy. Thanks!

ScottXe said:
After upgraded to Android 6.0, the battery drain apparently is much higher. Especially while I am sleeping at night, I found the battery might go down to 2-7% from 50%. I have no idea if it is caused by the new Android 6.0 or any new app I installed. Can someone advise me how to ascertain it and fix it. Thanks!
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I had something happen strange today. I went to bed with 100% when i woke up Fone only had 53% left never happened before it said it was fone idle 40% i dont understand why its never done it before
Also when i just clicked on fone idle it says its been on for 17 hours and fone been on battery for 19 hours i dont know how to stop it
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Are you sure you don't have privacy?
Well you can just use Greenify as i told you, it's pretty much the same...
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rowbaggie22 said:
I had something happen strange today. I went to bed with 100% when i woke up Fone only had 53% left never happened before it said it was fone idle 40% i dont understand why its never done it before
Also when i just clicked on fone idle it says its been on for 17 hours and fone been on battery for 19 hours i dont know how to stop it
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well that's exactly why i suggest you to use Greenify...something is keeping your device awake
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ScottXe said:
After upgraded to Android 6.0, the battery drain apparently is much higher. Especially while I am sleeping at night, I found the battery might go down to 2-7% from 50%. I have no idea if it is caused by the new Android 6.0 or any new app I installed. Can someone advise me how to ascertain it and fix it. Thanks!
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This issue is most of the time caused by fast dormancy.
Just disable it and u will be fine
Go to the hidden menu, type *#546368#*815# (replace 815 with ur model number, so 812 if u have the 812 model etc)
Then go to field test>Modem settings>PDP setting>0 and sellect fast dormancy off.
Reboot phone and you should be fine.
Report back, i'm kinda curious

ScottXe said:
After upgraded to Android 6.0, the battery drain apparently is much higher. Especially while I am sleeping at night, I found the battery might go down to 2-7% from 50%. I have no idea if it is caused by the new Android 6.0 or any new app I installed. Can someone advise me how to ascertain it and fix it. Thanks!
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Dunno what it should be under MM but 2-5% under L for 12 hours is normal. That's only 10% per day.
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Kaffer94 said:
This issue is most of the time caused by fast dormancy.
Just disable it and u will be fine
Go to the hidden menu, type *#546368#*815# (replace 815 with ur model number, so 812 if u have the 812 model etc)
Then go to field test>Modem settings>PDP setting>0 and sellect fast dormancy off.
Reboot phone and you should be fine.
Report back, i'm kinda curious
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Do this only after you have determined your network does not support fast dormancy. If it does and you disable it you will get more drain.
fast dormancy only applies to 3G. if you're on other G's and not connected to data it won't be doing anything.

One Twelve said:
Dunno what it should be under MM but 2-5% under L for 12 hours is normal. That's only 10% per day.
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Do this only after you have determined your network does not support fast dormancy. If it does and you disable it you will get more drain.
fast dormancy only applies to 3G. if you're on other G's and not connected to data it won't be doing anything.
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U might be right, though i faced this problem myself and i did solve it by disabling fast dormancy. Im never on 3g, constant 4g for me so...

Kaffer94 said:
U might be right, though i faced this problem myself and i did solve it by disabling fast dormancy. Im never on 3g, constant 4g for me so...
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Depends on what your sim settings are. Do you select 2/3/4g ?
In that case if the network signal is weak it will switch to 3g. Now if your 3G network does not support fast dormancy, then disabling it in the hidden menu will help. The problem with hidden menu settings is they dont stick after a reboot. So i suppose you need root to make them permanent.

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[Q] How do you stop Cell Broadcast on the phone? - Using too much battery

According to Carat, stopping Cell Broadcast (as pictured) will save 2h 56m of useable battery life on my G3.
Cell Broadcast is something I've never seen on any of my previous android phones, I can't even find an option for it.
How do I stop this app or whatever it is from using up so much of my battery? Even uninstall it if required, I am rooted.
Bad4ss said:
According to Carat, stopping Cell Broadcast (as pictured) will save 2h 56m of useable battery life on my G3.
Cell Broadcast is something I've never seen on any of my previous android phones, I can't even find an option for it.
How do I stop this app or whatever it is from using up so much of my battery? Even uninstall it if required, I am rooted.
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uninstall it or rename it and the issues should be gone you can find it in System/privapp/lgcb.apk/.odex(rename/ delete them both and reboot, do this with a root file explorer)
suljo94 said:
uninstall it or rename it and the issues should be gone you can find it in System/privapp/lgcb.apk/.odex(rename/ delete them both and reboot, do this with a root file explorer)
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Thanks that actually worked. Wiki know later whether battery has improved.
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Bad4ss said:
Thanks that actually worked. Wiki know later whether battery has improved.
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Did battery life improve?

Verizon - dropping wifi and really bad battery life

Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this or not.... But I am experiencing two major problems with my phone:
1) It periodically just drops wifi. I have great signal strength and none of my other devices (and I have a lot) ever behave this way. And I have seen it happen on other wifi spots as well.
2) This one is even worse. I am not able to get more than about 9-10 hours on a charge. Not using the phone *at all*. When I checked what was using the battery power all I saw was normal google stuff, no app itself directly consuming
Mine is a brand new verizon phone.
anyone else experience these? Worth seeing if I can get verizon (or LG) to replace the phone?
Factory reset and if that doesn't work, exchange for sure.
tourbound129 said:
Factory reset and if that doesn't work, exchange for sure.
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Thanks. Seems better after doing that.
I left it overnight for 12 hours, down only 14%
RedBullet said:
Thanks. Seems better after doing that.
I left it overnight for 12 hours, down only 14%
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I disabled all the Verizon apps, including DT Ignite. I have not activated the phone yet (waiting for root or Helium to work), and now the battery usage graph has almost flatlined when not in use.
icecold23 said:
I disabled all the Verizon apps, including DT Ignite. I have not activated the phone yet (waiting for root or Helium to work), and now the battery usage graph has almost flatlined when not in use.
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Yea, I haven't touched any of the VZW apps. That's the first thing I will be looking for is a debloated ROM (no VZW stuff and a lot less LG stuff)
RedBullet said:
Yea, I haven't touched any of the VZW apps. That's the first thing I will be looking for is a debloated ROM (no VZW stuff and a lot less LG stuff)
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Just an update after disabling VZW apps, 22 hours, 17% battery drain. This is on a non activated phone, WIFI on, minimal use). Not a great metric, but much better than with them enabled.
icecold23 said:
Just an update after disabling VZW apps, 22 hours, 17% battery drain. This is on a non activated phone, WIFI on, minimal use). Not a great metric, but much better than with them enabled.
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Out of curiosity how did you "disable" verizon apps?
I'm on AT&T, and I'm also having similar WiFi issues.
RedBullet said:
Out of curiosity how did you "disable" verizon apps?
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Application Manager. Scroll over to "ALL" tab. Click on the individual apps. It should have the option to Disable near the top. Those apps will be moved to the Disabled tab if you should ever want to enable them in the future.
I always factory reset after leaving a store because their first priority is to get the phone into a usable state and they bypass the Google login to start syncing my information.
The first thing I install is Nova Launcher. To disable Apps, I just click and drag to the desktop for "system info" then uncheck "Show Notification", click "Force Stop", then "Disable".
I just clear out the crap out the App launcher. I haven't gone in through Settings > App Manager and disabled any services or background apps.
I've also had (and still have WiFi issues). Just got my phone replaced today from T-Mobile and my WiFi has intermittently cut out a couple times today already. Perhaps its something that will require a software update to fix.
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icecold23 said:
I disabled all the Verizon apps, including DT Ignite. I have not activated the phone yet (waiting for root or Helium to work), and now the battery usage graph has almost flatlined when not in use.
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What is "DT Ignite" anyway???
speedingcheetah said:
What is "DT Ignite" anyway???
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If I'm understanding the articles, it is an app so carriers can install Bloatware after your purchase. Even after a factory reset. The good, the bloatware doesn't have to be installed and part of the factory ROM. The bad, everything else...
According to a post on Reddit, the small update on ATT was to fix 5ghz Wi-Fi issues. Hopefully all carriers push it.
tourbound129 said:
According to a post on Reddit, the small update on ATT was to fix 5ghz Wi-Fi issues. Hopefully all carriers push it.
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It didn't. Not for me, anyway.
Eric618 said:
It didn't. Not for me, anyway.
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Did it fix anything? Lol
tourbound129 said:
Did it fix anything? Lol
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I noticed no changes to anything following the update. I have no idea what it did! Lol
On VZW I do not have any issue with WiFi, I do however have not so great battery life. I did disable all the useless items I can. I get about 9-10 hours with 1-1.5 hours SOT. Guess it's OK, but would have liked to get more of what others are reporting (3+ hours SOT).
Coming from the G3 on 23C, I did notice that my battery time did drop a bit, so it's not far off of what I had, not going to return the device, just going to deal with it for now.
phillymade said:
On VZW I do not have any issue with WiFi, I do however have not so great battery life. I did disable all the useless items I can. I get about 9-10 hours with 1-1.5 hours SOT. Guess it's OK, but would have liked to get more of what others are reporting (3+ hours SOT).
Coming from the G3 on 23C, I did notice that my battery time did drop a bit, so it's not far off of what I had, not going to return the device, just going to deal with it for now.
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Yea, I'm in the same boat. Not sure exactly what to do. I can return it and get an S6 which I hear is faster and has much better battery life. Or I can stick with it and hope a patch fixes or that it gets unlocked and we can run something else...
Oh and another thing, has anyone tried to recondition the battery?

Cellular data battery drain

Hello everyone!
I don't know why, but since last week the battery drains faster than it has before. There is no apparent reason for it. There is only one anomaly, one process that seems to use a lot of the cellular network, and that is the WhatsApp...
How can I examine this further on an unrooted phone??
Thx in advanced !
If the cellular network at your place is weak, your phone will use more power energy to maintain network connection. In such case, I think you'd better install the app named Greenify to stop Whatsapp from background running.
tphg said:
If the cellular network at your place is weak, your phone will use more power energy to maintain network connection. In such case, I think you'd better install the app named Greenify to stop Whatsapp from background running.
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That's the thing... It's not weak. It just drains the battery more than it had before for some unknown and not apparent reason at all.
i was having a problem like that, i turned up mobile data and using only whatsapp, with a big battery drain, the solution for me was disable fast telephony from the hidden menu in the telephone and now the problem is gone
I guess "fast telephony" = "fast dormancy", right?
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Demon_360x said:
i was having a problem like that, i turned up mobile data and using only whatsapp, with a big battery drain, the solution for me was disable fast telephony from the hidden menu in the telephone and now the problem is gone
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Will try that. Thanks!
raied115 said:
Will try that. Thanks!
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Let us know if it works.
Disabling fast dormancy is ok if your carrier does not implement it otherwise if they do you want it on. Given your problem happened suddenly i doubt that is the reason.
When people have problems with whats app. clear cache or failing that, reinstalling the app has fixed it.
One Twelve said:
Let us know if it works.
Disabling fast dormancy is ok if your carrier does not implement it otherwise if they do you want it on. Given your problem happened suddenly i doubt that is the reason.
When people have problems with whats app. clear cache or failing that, reinstalling the app has fixed it.
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Well, it doesn't seem to have any effect on the usage of mobile data of the WhatsApp app...
Also clearing the cache and uninstalling and reinstalling the app didn't have the desired effect.
Any other solutions?
@spartan do you have any ideas ?

Mobile Radio Active Bug draining battery

Dears,
On my op3, which is running with Experience OS and Blue spark Kernel, always the Whats app coming on top of the battery stats even though I opened it less time. It is showing that "Mobile Radio Active" is enabled for hours. I can not switch off the Data while the screen off because it may delay the notifications. I understood that the modem is not disconnecting from data even if the app become not in foreground stage. What ever the app I used for data restriction reduced the Deep sleep time since it were keeping alive in the back end to restrict the data service. Is there any solution to get rid the Mobile Radio Active bug.
No there isn't, it is a known thing since Android Lollipop.
Roykooiman said:
No there isn't, it is a known thing since Android Lollipop.
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OOOOPSSS!!!! i have cleared all other battery draining issues using various methods. But this is hectic.
Why google is not taking care about this since it is a serious bug? But I think not everyone facing this issue. Some of them are getting good battery backup without having mobile radio active issue.
aneshdas said:
OOOOPSSS!!!! i have cleared all other battery draining issues using various methods. But this is hectic.
Why google is not taking care about this since it is a serious bug? But I think not everyone facing this issue. Some of them are getting good battery backup without having mobile radio active issue.
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With Whatsapp this is expected. All of Facebooks apps are known to be terrible battery drainers. It is part of the reason that it never took off in the states. Also anything like that will always keep the radio active. It is the nature of the app. As long as you use it then you will get battery drain.
zelendel said:
With Whatsapp this is expected. All of Facebooks apps are known to be terrible battery drainers. It is part of the reason that it never took off in the states. Also anything like that will always keep the radio active. It is the nature of the app. As long as you use it then you will get battery drain.
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But it is a serious bug, isn't it Bro? I am worried why the google devs not showing much interest to resolve this battery killing issue.... I think there was an xposed module available in Lollipop or marshmallow to solve this problem. But nothing available in Nougat. feeling helpless bro
aneshdas said:
But it is a serious bug, isn't it Bro? I am worried why the google devs not showing much interest to resolve this battery killing issue.... I think there was an xposed module available in Lollipop or marshmallow to solve this problem. But nothing available in Nougat. feeling helpless bro
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It's nothing Google can do. It is Facebook. The apps is badly coded just like their main app and messenger. As long as you rely on it for messaging (not sure why people do) then you will have to deal with it.
zelendel said:
It's nothing Google can do. It is Facebook. The apps is badly coded just like their main app and messenger. As long as you rely on it for messaging (not sure why people do) then you will have to deal with it.
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No bro, I don't think it is because of Facebook. I am not using facebook at all. But me too having the issue. I think it is clearly a mobile data modem issue. Mobile radio is not disconnecting even after android system closed the foreground app. Only android devs can resolve it.
aneshdas said:
No bro, I don't think it is because of Facebook. I am not using facebook at all. But me too having the issue. I think it is clearly a mobile data modem issue. Mobile radio is not disconnecting even after android system closed the foreground app. Only android devs can resolve it.
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You miss the fact that whatsapp is a facebook app. Owned and written by facebook.
If mobile data disconnects then you would not get notified. Data is how that app works.
If you do some research you will find this to be true.
Again this is how messaging apps work. It doesnt seem like you have alot of experience in mobile OS programming.
My advice would be to use a different app like Telegram. This is what most of the world uses. As to whats app is mainly used in developing countries but not much outside of them.
zelendel said:
You miss the fact that whatsapp is a facebook app. Owned and written by facebook.
If mobile data disconnects then you would not get notified. Data is how that app works.
If you do some research you will find this to be true.
Again this is how messaging apps work. It doesnt seem like you have alot of experience in mobile OS programming.
My advice would be to use a different app like Telegram. This is what most of the world uses. As to whats app is mainly used in developing countries but not much outside of them.
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Is there no fix for Mobile radio active bug??
aneshdas said:
OOOOPSSS!!!! i have cleared all other battery draining issues using various methods. But this is hectic.
Why google is not taking care about this since it is a serious bug? But I think not everyone facing this issue. Some of them are getting good battery backup without having mobile radio active issue.
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Then they're not using cellular data
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Then they're not using cellular data
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I saw in a group that one guy is getting 3 days of battery backup for his OP3T even with tha Data on. I don't know how some of them alone getting the best. He is using his mobile too.
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/battery-drain-problem-after-7-1-1-update.506751/page-7
aneshdas said:
I saw in a group that one guy is getting 3 days of battery backup for his OP3T even with tha Data on. I don't know how some of them alone getting the best. He is using his mobile too.
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/battery-drain-problem-after-7-1-1-update.506751/page-7
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Yes but if you look closely he is not using the device. And to be honest, I don't think it's real. I have never seen android display something when there is no usage like for the GPS in that screen shot.
I know it can last for days without using it as that is what happens to my device on the weekends. I unplug it sat morning and only use it when someone calls me and I don't have to plug it back in until Monday morning. Mind you that is really not using the phone much at all.
it has got no fix yet. May be this goes away in Oreo.
Sorry if someone has already pointed this before.. But have u tried turning the data saver mode on?
Once ON, make sure you disable unlimited data for Google play services and whatsapp.. (in settings, app, data usage)
I tried it and somehow it worked

rapid battery drain 8.1

Ever since I flashed 8.1 , battery is draining very rapidly. After sending one email just text no attachments, battery went from 100 to 96%. Has anyone else had this issue?
canemaxx said:
Ever since I flashed 8.1 , battery is draining very rapidly. After sending one email just text no attachments, battery went from 100 to 96%. Has anyone else had this issue?
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Nope. At least give it a couple of charge cycles to see what's going on. I've noticed no changes since I installed 8.1.
I did, after using GSam Battery to find the problems it was play services and RCSService. So I uninstalled RCSService and cleared data on Google play services and it's been fine since.
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I did, after using GSam Battery to find the problems it was play services and RCSService. So I uninstalled RCSService and cleared data on Google play services and it's been fine since.
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Have you by chance used, or are using the magisk module for doze on Google play services?? Seems to work pretty well.
Badger50 said:
Have you by chance used, or are using the magisk module for doze on Google play services?? Seems to work pretty well.
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I'm stock lol. Not even unlocked bootloader.
antiochasylum said:
I'm stock lol. Not even unlocked bootloader.
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Ah, gotchya. I had no difficulties with stock either. At least for the week I had it before it wasn't stock
I have only unlocked the bootloader. I have no other mods on my phone. I have done a restart and a fresh install of 8.1 and nothing is helping. Nothing is running in the background either. I don't get it
Badger50 said:
Nope. At least give it a couple of charge cycles to see what's going on. I've noticed no changes since I installed 8.1.
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what is the name of the theme ?
crazykas said:
what is the name of the theme ?
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Swift dark with fuchsia accent.
Do you have a weak mobile signal when you are on wifi? I think Google changed the default to be keeping mobile data on even while WiFi is on in 8.1. For me, i have crap mobile signal at my wifi location, so the scanning for a signal might drain my battery. You can change the setting in developer options. Have no idea if it will help though...
I am on 8.1 since 3 days (not rooted), on full charge I have got 7 hours SOT consistently... dont think so the drain has anything to do with 8.1 update..
pls check ur apps
Go into settings/Google/instant tethering and see if it's on. That being on killed my battery life...
I have noticed quite a bit of battery drain since activating the Pixel visual core. .. definitely noticeable loss of battery and especially on the camera.
antiochasylum said:
I did, after using GSam Battery to find the problems it was play services and RCSService. So I uninstalled RCSService and cleared data on Google play services and it's been fine since.
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Hey, can you tell me how you were able to uninstall rcsservice? My option is greyed out.
radlink14 said:
Hey, can you tell me how you were able to uninstall rcsservice? My option is greyed out.
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Adb buddy.
Turn on usb debugging. And get to a PC then,
Adb shell
pm uninstall -k --user 0 <name of package.apk> with out the <>.
If my memory serves me right, it's com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService.apk for the RCSService
This tells the phone to uninstall said apk for that specific user. And not the entire system. Which root is needed for.
Be mindful. These can come back after a factory reset.
antiochasylum said:
Adb buddy.
Turn on usb debugging. And get to a PC then,
Adb shell
pm uninstall -k --user 0 <name of package.apk> with out the <>.
If my memory serves me right, it's com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService.apk for the RCSService
This tells the phone to uninstall said apk for that specific user. And not the entire system. Which root is needed for.
Be mindful. These can come back after a factory reset.
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Thanks a lot... Was hoping I didn't need to get on a PC. I feel like we're in a day and age with Android where this shouldn't be necessary.
I discovered an option in developer settings where it seems "keep mobile data on " whole on wifi which I am hoping is the culprit to my battery issues.
It def drops faster since 8.1 not like what the OP is talking about, but over night it uses hardly anything then I can use it half the next day pretty much
RCSService Accesible only if rooted?
antiochasylum said:
I did, after using GSam Battery to find the problems it was play services and RCSService. So I uninstalled RCSService and cleared data on Google play services and it's been fine since.
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RCSService Accessible/Modify only if rooted? I didn't want to but if I must hassle then OK. So to delete it i need to go root?
wiseguyy said:
RCSService Accessible/Modify only if rooted? I didn't want to but if I must hassle then OK. So to delete it i need to go root?
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3 posts up..
I can confirm that battery drain on iOS 8.1 is pretty bad...
on 8.0 i regularly used to get 6.5 to 7 hours SOT, on 8.1 its come down to 5.5 to 6 hours SOT

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