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Video recording really bad

hi all. today I got my new m9 and I admit that I'm really excited. despite all the talks about the bad camera, this does the job for me. however the video recording is really bad. I noticed very poor performance indoors (with quite much sun light in the house) with very few details and basically one of the worst video recordings. the video gets better outside but when I zoom at max, the image looks so bad. I recorded the same scene with the m9 and my previous htc one s and the one s captured more details at max zoom and the image looked cleaner. all this happened with at 1080p recording. when I switched to 4k things were better, the video was at the same level, maybe a little better than my one s. but this isn't supposed to happen. the photos taken in max zoom are good but when i record video they are much worse. i think using the google camera that things are a little better at video shooting. also i think that when I start recording video, it automatically zooms a little bit. I have installed latest OTA and latest camera update from playstore. I will appreciate if you can share your video shooting experience here, basically if you experience such bad image quality when you fully zoom in at 1080p. Thank you.

StorZ said:
hi all. today I got my new m9 and I admit that I'm really excited. despite all the talks about the bad camera, this does the job for me. however the video recording is really bad. I noticed very poor performance indoors (with quite much sun light in the house) with very few details and basically one of the worst video recordings. the video gets better outside but when I zoom at max, the image looks so bad. I recorded the same scene with the m9 and my previous htc one s and the one s captured more details at max zoom and the image looked cleaner. all this happened with at 1080p recording. when I switched to 4k things were better, the video was at the same level, maybe a little better than my one s. but this isn't supposed to happen. the photos taken in max zoom are good but when i record video they are much worse. i think using the google camera that things are a little better at video shooting. also i think that when I start recording video, it automatically zooms a little bit. I have installed latest OTA and latest camera update from playstore. I will appreciate if you can share your video shooting experience here, basically if you experience such bad image quality when you fully zoom in at 1080p. Thank you.
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I know what you mean, it gets really pixelatedat max zoom, I believe this is to do with the sharpness which hadn't been completely addressed, the ip6 and note 4 are far more capable in terms of the camera, bit of a bummer but not a great deal you can do about it. Try a different camera app, snap camera is quite good.

Nexus 5X poor video stabilization. Something we have to live with? Can it be fixed?

Hello,
Im looking to upgrade my Nexus 5 and ive been going through lots and lots of reviews, videos, pictures of many of the new phones out right now. Z5, S6, Nexus 5X.
I really like the Nexus 5X despite some of it shortcomings but one thing i REALLY have a hard time accepting is how shaky the picture is when recording video compared to iphone 6s, Sony Z5 and others.
Here is a video showing it against the Moto X pure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_zth08zFLw
The Nexus 5x i horrible Is that something we will just have to accept because it lacks OIS or is it possible to fix software wise in a camera update or using a 3rd party camera app. I must say that in its current form its unusable.
Regards
Jacob

indeed it is shaky...
haven't tried it but this one has video stabilization - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera

Maybe someone with a nexus 5x could try opencamera to record a video and post the result?

Yeah I was hoping 1080p would at least get decent software stability. It has enough pixels for it. ?
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.

Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?

Just my $.02. It was my understanding from the Launch event that it doesn't have image stabilization. Something about how it didn't need it with the upgraded light gathering capability of the camera.

The Moto X pure doesn't have OIS either, it's done in software

I'll just splurge for a gimbal. LOL
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.

gomylle said:
Does anyone know? Anyone tried opencamera?
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Just tried it and it seems decent. Good thing is that OpenCamera properly implements the sensor orientation detection, so the preview and resulting files are correct. It has experimental support for Camera 2 API, which needs to be enabled in order to expose the EIS setting.
At high resolution (4k), there's significant lag that's recorded in the videos with the EIS enabled. Google did say the 808 couldn't handle it; maybe they weren't just blowing smoke?
At 1080p, it seems to help reduce the shakiness by a fair amount; it's no OIS replacement for sure, but I'd say better than not having anything.

Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?

Evo_Shift said:
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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From pics I saw it does fine without OIS. But videos would have benefited. And yes they coined it as "ultra-pixels".
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.

Look at this. Amazing:
http://www.frequency.com/video/nexus-5x-stabilized-4k-footage-using/244831773?cid=5-9852

Hi
Evo_Shift said:
Funny how google said larger pixels negated the need for OIS. Did anyone really believe them? Did HTC not try the super mega sized pixels before?
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OIS is only really of benefit for photos at shutter speeds less than 1/60th second, unless you have a zoom lens, where it is helpful at higher shutter speeds, as the more you are zoomed, the more amplified any body shake is. For smartphones with their wide angle view, camera shake is not too much of a problem for most typical situations, and any daytime scene OIS is completely pointless as the shutter speed is plenty high enough to freeze out any camera shake. The larger pixels help as the ISO can be higher without too much noise meaning a faster shutter speed can be used.
For video the situation is different as images are taken over time, so it's the movement in camera position between each picture that needs to smoothed, although the fashion these days on most documentaries and TV shows is to deliberately shake the camera around until it's a nauseating mess with whip zooms into the mix Still it's a good indicator I find for knowing the program is trash and not worth watching :victory:
OIS in smart phones helps a little with video, but the tiny lens optics and limited movement means they don't do nearly as well as a dedicated camcorder with OIS, which gives some amazing results. The link to the stablised 5X video is using a $300 device, so if anyone is that serious about their smart phone video, then for that money we might as well take a much bigger step in image quality and convenience and features and get a dedicated camcorder.
The elephant in the room with the Nexus 6P is EIS, this is the poor mans image stabilizer, yes it does help stabilize the video to a certain degree, but to do this it has to crop the image. It appears to be doing this the cheap way in software (hence needing the powerful chip), taking a 1080P video, then zooming into so it can have a window of view to pan around in, this means the resulting video has less resolution, see the clips here https://youtu.be/HV4rcFuUlUc?t=246 and compare the detail between the two, there is a drop in resolution on the 6P. Better EIS systems capture a larger image at the sensor, then would track and pan a 1920x1080 window across it so no resolution drop, but that requires more low level work with the camera hardware and dedicated chips to do a good job.
Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
Will the 6P stabilize 4K video? I somehow doubt it has the power to do that, so for 4K it's an even playing field between the two.
Regards
Phil

PhilipL said:
Hi
Record a 1080P video with the 5X, upload to YouTube and get it to apply stabilization and it will do the same thing, may even turn out better than the 6P EIS as it doesn't need to be done in real time so a bit more care can be taken.
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Hmm, aren't those phones using the much higher resolution of the sensor (at least about 4k) to stabilize the video by changing the captured frame on the sensor corresponding to the phones movement? At least i thought that's the reasoning why this works only up to 1080p (which would be preserved, in that case).

I think this could be quite useful for the next Nexus http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/09/imint-wants-to-bring-real-time-video-stabilization-to-android/

Video quality

Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the ZTE Axon 7 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

ZTE Axon 7 - One stop shop for video recording tests!
Entire Playlist
4K Video/Audio Recording Test - Playing "Dango Daikazoku" on Piano
4K Raw Footage
4K Raw Footage 2
1080p30fps Raw Footage
720p/1080p/4K Comparison Video
Slow Motion Video Reel
Stabilization Comparison

Slo Mo video reel is worthless as the framerates aren't labeled.
Here's a video of a goat drinking it's own urine at 1/12 speed. lol

Kietyo said:
720p/1080p/4K Comparison Video
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Just wondering why 4k looks so much better than 1080p, even when watched on a 1080p screen.
Almost as if they deliberately made video less than 4k look crap.

I wish the audio quality was better. I found out that axon records audio at 96 kbps which is lower than other phones. I wish I can increase the bitrate for audio.

pOOBAH1973 said:
Just wondering why 4k looks so much better than 1080p, even when watched on a 1080p screen.
Almost as if they deliberately made video less than 4k look crap.
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It has something to do with bitrate. LinusTechTips made a video about this but im not near a computer.

These clips should not be listed as "raw". They should called ungraded or unedited. Too much confusion with RAW.

While the video itself it really nice, and the audio is great in regular settings.... In LOUD settings, such as a full, live band, you get a terrible mic clipping noise.
Here's an example

Video of loud fireworks in Valencia:

I have to set anti-banding to 50Hz (not to auto or 60Hz), there are a lot flickering.

I took a video of starting and running my car after doing a lot of work to it and having it off the road for many weeks. I was very surprised at how well the mics picked up sound. As I moved around the front of the car, many different noises were easily identifiable and extremely clear. I shot it on the snap camera hd app instead of the stock camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlayB_vmkZk&feature=youtu.be

Here's a short vid I took today. Cold start cycle on the car. The phone handles quite a lot of loudness pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZRt3fzsOM

I was messing around with the Axon 7 this afternoon. Fitted a phone mount at the top of my front windscreen in the car and took some footage whilst driving with the windows fully open. In all previous phones this resulted in really bad audio with wind noise and vibrations destroying what I would want to hear.
Pleased to say, the recorded audio with the A7 is shockingly good! It's loud and clear with great dynamic range and doesn't pull back with a sudden loud noise. Very real. Will install a crashcam app to see how that looks and sounds, although I have a fairly good dual camera crash cam installed already.
ZTE have implemented audio recording with the DAC very well but the mics must be better than average too.

Kietyo said:
It has something to do with bitrate. LinusTechTips made a video about this but im not near a computer.
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Hello,
Did you found it ?

Video camera problem

I looked at several reviews of a50 and a70. All video examples has a problem. Autofocus can not find the optimal setting, so the video is jerky! Most bloggers did not pay attention to this moment! But this is not normal for a $ 485 phone. What do you think about it? Are there owners of the device? Maybe an update has already been released that fixes the situation? Example in youtube 6-iwSS_hX0Q in 5:37 (sorry, i cant permissions for publish links)

karpo518 said:
I looked at several reviews of a50 and a70. All video examples has a problem. Autofocus can not find the optimal setting, so the video is jerky! Most bloggers did not pay attention to this moment! But this is not normal for a $ 485 phone. What do you think about it? Are there owners of the device? Maybe an update has already been released that fixes the situation? Example in youtube 6-iwSS_hX0Q in 5:37 (sorry, i cant permissions for publish links)
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Yes,seems to be issues with the cameras,no EIS as far as I know,the 32mp lens uses software to account for only really being 8mp. Im not a camera guy so don't know that much about it but most of what I've seen and read indicate the cameras aren't that good

manus31 said:
Yes,seems to be issues with the cameras,no EIS as far as I know,the 32mp lens uses software to account for only really being 8mp. Im not a camera guy so don't know that much about it but most of what I've seen and read indicate the cameras aren't that good
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Thanks fo reply! I means video camera only. Photo camera, in my opinion, is not bad. But the video, which is approaching, then moving away, is a real problem. I'm not ready to give $ 500 for the quality of the video, as if my hands were shaking. But I expect that the problem can be solved in one of the updates.

This is a stabilisation issue I think, not a focus one. Ideally the camera software could do some work to stabilising 1080p video using the spare/latent area from the 4K chip, but it would still require some heavy processing which perhaps the chipset is not up to?
Andre

andrewilley said:
This is a stabilisation issue I think, not a focus one.
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May be, I incorrectly described the problem when I said about shaking hands. The frame in the video is approaching, then moving away. Then approaching again. That is looks as the zoom is not fixed. Poor stabilization may be an indirect cause of this behavior. That is, shaking may interfere with the correct setting of autofocus. But I am convinced that the actual reason is poor autofocus.

It's really simple.
4K video = no EIS
1080p video = EIS
As you can see in this review https://youtu.be/rwrDrG23gRA?t=344 (5:43) stabilization is just fine.

Glotttis said:
4K video = no EIS
1080p video = EIS.
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That's what I was hoping (see my last post). Good to see someone showing 1080 recording while walking, which is sufficient for most users I suspect. To get stabilisation in 4K you either need a much larger raw chip resolution, or optical stabilisation (probably not on mid-range devices).
Andre

Here's another A70 1080p rear camera video, he tests many scenarios. Looks OK to me for this price range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ju52xFjYz4
If you need to shoot a lot of high quality videos then get S10 which is twice the price. Mid range phones will never have camera as good as high end flagships, that's just impossible.

Glotttis said:
It's really simple.
4K video = no EIS
1080p video = EIS
As you can see in this review https://youtu.be/rwrDrG23gRA?t=344 (5:43) stabilization is just fine.
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I'm not sure still. My example in start post shows 3 shooting modes:
1. 4k
2. 1080p
3. 1080p Wide angle lens
3rd shooting mode gives good quality only. The second mode is also a little jerky
p.s. I think, my xiaomi mi5 probably did not have that problem. But i just can not check it now. So I am unpleasantly surprised by this effect

Wider angle shooting always makes shots look steadier, regardless of any other technology. The more you zoom an image in, the more any camera shake is exaggerated.
Andre

Video quality

Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Samsung Galaxy S11 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Not really a fan of the 8K video quality especially at low (maxes out at 24fps) frame rates. What do you guys think?

It's.... fine. 24fps is cinema rate, so it's more intended to be used with a stabilized mount and slow panning, so that accounts for a lot of the jutter. Well, that, and YouTube's compression algorithms, but I won't hold that against the camera. 8K isn't likely to be really useful for a few years yet, so honestly I am fairly impressed the the quality is as good as it is when the camera is still.

Video capability is on par with iPhone 11, and blows Pixel out of the water. If you do a lot of video recording, this is currently the best Android device for that job.

I would say the video quality is quite good.

sublimaze said:
Video capability is on par with iPhone 11, and blows Pixel out of the water. If you do a lot of video recording, this is currently the best Android device for that job.
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Keep dreaming! ??

I have taken video with this phone and the quality is very high and clear. I think you have a good resolution camera.

LymanG said:
I don't like its optimization, too highlighted colors
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and here ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgsCzfiOEkg
:rouler des yeux:

UNIK97122 said:
and here ?
:rouler des yeux:
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Well done ?

Does anyone know or has tried to record 4k 60fps continuously.
What I mean to ask is, if recording 4k 60 fps, is their any limit to the record time or can you keep doing so until you run out of space or battery.
I'am coming from an Sony Xperia devices, on their there is no limit apart from the memory card or battery.

Android_UK said:
Does anyone know or has tried to record 4k 60fps continuously.
What I mean to ask is, if recording 4k 60 fps, is their any limit to the record time or can you keep doing so until you run out of space or battery.
I'am coming from an Sony Xperia devices, on their there is no limit apart from the memory card or battery.
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space look's the limit...

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space look's the limit...
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Thanks for your reply, so I take it there isn't a time recording limit. What about 8k recording?

wide angle cam stabilization test
here's a sample footage to test stabilization of the wide angle camera on a very bumpy trail. i say stabilization is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEm5bgGoXkk

i think that Video capability is on par with iPhone 11 PRo, and blows Pixel out of the water. If you do a lot of video recording, this is currently the best Android phone.