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Microsoft release the restrictions!

I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!

MS listens to their customers DDDD

What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.

PG2G said:
What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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PG2G said:
What restrictions? The only real restriction is that all of the code needs to be Silverlight/XNA.
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Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.

I don't feel the need for any of those.
Internet Explorer is superb and the office applications are better than any i've used on other platforms.

doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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doministry said:
Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP

doministry said:
I start to feel the lack of alternative software on my WP7.
It's probably because the MS restrictions.
I need Opera, I need Google, I need another email client, I need alternative office.
The native ones are nice but at some point they are not so good.
WHEN???!!!
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The whole point of putting out a quality product from the get-go was to eliminate the need for all of this excess garbage. I replaced that crap on Android because the default stuff was garbage. This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
Also third party browsers can very well created but no one has put forth the time to build a new rendering engine solely for WP7.

ratchetjaw said:
I read that but don't get it. There are a few alternate browsers available. I have 3 on my DVP
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Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.

The OP is right.
Even if "IE9 is the best" (and there is no such thing) people love options. I am having a hard time giving up Android fully because there is no real cross platform chat option in WP7. No whatsapp. No Skype. These programs have millions of users. The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7. I used that all the time on my HTC Touch WinMo phone.
The NoDo update is so trivial in my mind. The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
Then I will be happy....er.

nicksti said:
The biggest improvement WP7 can make is to open up the APIs and bring true multitasking.
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more APIs... word around is MIX 2011 will introduce devs to more WP APIs (hopefully sockets is one of them)
and multi tasking is the mango update coming fall 2011 (septemberish?)

nicksti said:
The biggest joke to me is Microsoft does not have an MSN Messenger client on WP7.
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They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.

emigrating said:
Correction, you have 3 different front-ends on your DVP - they all use the same IE engine behind the scenes to render pages. I'm guessing what the OP wants is a webkit powered browser.
I don't see the problem though - IE does an okay job at rendering basic HTML and is faster than both iOS and Android when it really counts. While both iOS and Android may display the page faster, if the information you're after involves scrolling or resizing you're **** out of luck as they [iOS/Android] seem to do some kind of jit rendering, whereas IE renders the whole page at once.
Not to mention, IE9 is sick on WP7. Kills all competition.
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oh okay my bad. I don't know all of that detailed stuff lol

Well WP7 has only one browser and few skins. Rendering is identical with all the good and bad consequences.
I am not asking you guys to need other options but it is sick that it's the only platform which still has no options. I like IE very much but I miss Opera Mini server rendering for fast browsing in worse coverage area. And I have few pages IE misses big time. No flash etc.
As for the Office, other platforms have DocsToGo which kills Office with one finger.
And now Softmaker will make Office for Android...
The Word implementation on WP7 is my huge disappointment. Almost featureless app.
It's the first time for 4 years I have to use PC to make basic editing like font style changing or inserting a tablet.
The same with email. The MS email client is so nice but at the same time is a pain. Not able to delete quoted message? Bummer. And very very often I don't see the pictures loaded or even worse, attachements don't show up so Ihave to open my email in the browser.

z33dev33l said:
This just sounds like someone who NEEDS to modify their device and prefers that over a perfectly functional experience. This may be the wrong OS.
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No. It sounds like a person who likes to have a choice, especially compared to other platforms. And have had it previously.
WP7 is very far from perfectly functional device. We don't live in a camp where is only one truth for all. Accept the diversity.

emigrating said:
They do - the Messenger by Miyowa is the official app. I still prefer (and use) Li'Messenger though as that gives me Messenger and FB chat in one.
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I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?

Blade0rz said:
Port restrictions? With only port 80 available to developers it limits the ability for anything that isn't HTTP or uses a proxy server.
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That isn't a restriction, its an API that hasn't been implemented yet. There is no policy that limits people to Http Request and there is no switch they can flick to quickly enable it, outside of giving people access to the native APIs.
doministry said:
Don't make me laugh. It's not possible to make an alternative browser right now for instance.
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Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.

PG2G said:
Says who? Opera could do it, they just don't want to because they would have to rewrite their codebase from scratch because they can't use any C++.
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Really?
Read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/surfy-alternate-ie-shell-for-wp7-having-a-hard-time-getting-to-market/
This was just about the new broswer UI..

nicksti said:
I never heard of Li'Messenger, but I did a search and someone said they took it off of Marketplace a month ago. True?
And isn't Messenger by Miyowa buggy? I am looking at the youtube video of it now. If this is a good client then I will get a new WP7 phone asap!
Does Messenger by Miyowa support group chat, delivered, and read notification, etc like Whatsapp?
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Yeah, Li'Messenger was removed a day or two after release. No official confirmation as to why, but I'm guessing because it accessed the Live servers directly thru unsupported APIs. Rumors have it they are bringing out a new version adhering to the Live EULA though.
Messenger by Miyowa had an update just a couple days ago which made it a lot more stable. It's still a very basic app though and I definitely wouldn't suggest you run out and get a new WP7 device because of it.
TBH though, I don't think Messenger in a larger capacity will work properly on WP7 until we get a native client (apparently not going to happen) or the OS allows apps to multitask (H2 '11 - so Dec 31st ). Even with live tile or toast notifications it's too cumbersome to use for anything but quick messages due to load/login times etc.

Chromium Beta

Anyone else give this a try? Design is one of the worst I've ever seen but tab swiping is smooth as silk.

Attach the xap if you have it, i'm curious

Ruwin said:
Attach the xap if you have it, i'm curious
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e76acaa3-759f-4e37-81e5-f43dea7a8e26
It's in the Marketplace.

bmstrong said:
It's in the Marketplace.
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it's good for being in early stages.

How do they get away with calling this 'Chromium'? Don't think Google would be too happy.

CrownSeven said:
How do they get away with calling this 'Chromium'? Don't think Google would be too happy.
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Agree, it's really stupid or just a kind of "puffery". It's WebBrowser class (Pocket IE wrapper) based and far away from the real Chromium engine.

it's a good work

bmstrong said:
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e76acaa3-759f-4e37-81e5-f43dea7a8e26
It's in the Marketplace.
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For i don't know what reason i couldn't find it from the phone, only when i searched the market form the desktop. But yeah, it works now.
First thing. The design is really poor, the page view area is small, the loading is pretty slow. But the worst thing is the keyboard that opens above some option buttons. If you type fast and without looking at the keyboard, you might push the buttons below instead of space. I know i did.
Second thing. I hate the name. It has nothing to do with Chromium.
Third thing. The swipe to switch tabs is interesting, but the way the tabs are displayed eats too much screen real estate.
Fourth thing. This are just my opinions.

good app for the development stage

please attache xap file here.

Xap
Here is the XAP file - this is the latest build, I have not updated the marketplace version yet.

Still curious - why did you call your app "Chromium"?
P.S. BTW, better to move this thread to Windows Phone 7 Apps and Games, ask mods.

Renamed
It has been renamed to Kromi, app id is: eea60df6-faa9-4323-af06-774259cd6825

Not sure how to find it with the app id, but searching for Kromi yields no results...

The Internet Explorer is better than "Chromium".
It´s faster and looks better.
Please make it look better
Opera Mobile is nice and for me the only alternative

I think this app is in Bazaar now.
It's now bad for a beta, can fullscreen the browser to hide the weird tab interface, and tab switching is the best I have seen on WP7.
There is no bookmark or homepage setting as of yet though, and you cannot press to open context menu (such as open in new tab) but it's still one of the best WP7 browsers around

Is this the same as the one available in bazaar?

[Q] Is XDA a memory hog?

After a spirited browsing session here at XDA -- peaking at about 15 tabs and 50 pages -- I find that my browser will permanently increase its memory footprint by 100-300 MB. Even once I close all the XDA tabs, that memory is not freed up until I restart the browser.
I have observed this behavior for years, and always with various versions of my main browser: Opera. This site has many great features, and loads fast, but it would still be nice if this wasn't happening.
Have you guys observed the same heavy RAM usage and/or leak?
My system:
Win 7
i7 920
6 GB DDR3

Actually yes I just did with firefox. In the past I never had this problem actually but lately I only use chrome for xda because firefox always gets stuck.

Firefox is not as bad as ie. But when I load up any page from xda in ie, it is so intensive on my processor that it makes the cpu fan ramp up. Then when I scroll, it is scroll and wait for the page to actually scroll and stop before I can click on anything. It is that intensive on system resources.

well an i7 920 and 6gb of ram is a pretty beastly pc, you don't need a 8-core cpu and 16 gigs (like i have) to surf a forum

It is very normal. Because web is powerful today.
For example, Firefox use a lot of memory: 10 tabs = 250MB memory
Firefox 11 improved memory usage, but still high.
All browsers has the same issue.
Maybe it the time to upgrade your memory. Memory is very cheap today

I am NOT upgrading my pc because one website is not acting right

Obvious, but have you tried clearing cache & temp internet files? There must be a reason because I've got a 2.4 AMD (dual core) with 4GB RAM and I never have the problem. I use Chrome 100% of the time though, so can't vouch for any of the other browsers.

I'm afraid I can't help you with opera but you can try firefox with memoryfox addon. It actively frees memory blocks. Visit www browsermemory.com
One or two times I noticed the problem too but for me it wasn't such a problem to deal with it. I had a quick look on the source of the site and it looks okay, the only active contents are ajax and javascripts, rest is just text, static images & css. The hog might be one of the ajax/javascripts.

I also use Opera (still prefer Firefox though ) and according to the task manager: Memory usage = 16k (average) & Virtual memory = 151k (average) when browsing XDA alone (1 tab).

85gallon said:
I am NOT upgrading my pc because one website is not acting right
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That's a mighty presumptuous statement. Regardless of if I'm browsing XDA or not, at any of the forums I frequent and if I have many tabs open eventually my Browser begins to Hog my memory, Such is the way the web is.

Do any of the people with the issue use ad-blockers? Ads are generally the culprit with things like this as the site has no (or little) control over what content they load. Also, having 50 flash files playing on separate tabs will definitely have an impact. As tigermess said, the site is mostly just text and images so it's next to nothing.
That would explain why I don't have the issue as I don't have ads turned on.

JimmyMcGee said:
That's a mighty presumptuous statement. Regardless of if I'm browsing XDA or not, at any of the forums I frequent and if I have many tabs open eventually my Browser begins to Hog my memory, Such is the way the web is.
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You are the one making the presumptuous statement. I don't use tabs. I usually have one site open at a time. In the rare instance I have more than one site open, it is in a separate browser session. And that is rare. I have deleted cache and temp . I don't run an ad blocker on my pc.
I am actually running on a fresh (but updated) restore of my hard drive from factory condition. I restored last week. It was doing it before and it's still acting the same way. Both in ie and ff. The only common thread is Eset smart security. I have not disabled to test that. I am leary of doing that here with all of the trash that loads with the ads here.
But when you are browsing fine, and you browse to this web site and your computer slows to a crawl, and the only thing open is this site, then that, sir, is not presumptuous!

Archer said:
Do any of the people with the issue use ad-blockers?
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I don't, but I also don't have Flash installed\enabled in Opera.

85gallon said:
You are the one making the presumptuous statement. I don't use tabs. I usually have one site open at a time. In the rare instance I have more than one site open, it is in a separate browser session. And that is rare. I have deleted cache and temp . I don't run an ad blocker on my pc.
I am actually running on a fresh (but updated) restore of my hard drive from factory condition. I restored last week. It was doing it before and it's still acting the same way. Both in ie and ff. The only common thread is Eset smart security. I have not disabled to test that. I am leary of doing that here with all of the trash that loads with the ads here.
But when you are browsing fine, and you browse to this web site and your computer slows to a crawl, and the only thing open is this site, then that, sir, is not presumptuous!
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Fair enough.
And not to sound like a jerk, but here are your options.
1) Deal with it
B) Don't come to XDA.
In all honesty I could see that you are experiencing problems, but XDA is built on vbulletin. Which while vbulletin scales pretty good to work with XDA, its still a crappy program. Then again the sheer amount of activity on XDA precludes us from using other Forum software, and makes our site run slow on some peoples set ups.

XDA is the site that uses less memory on my PC and i don't have a super machine.. unlike is a pc of the stone age..
I use chrome with adblock plus, my pc is a celeron D 360 with 768 mb of RAM..
What & where's the problem?? I recommend you use an ad blocker and/or another browser..
Flash isn't friendly with any cpu and ram..

JimmyMcGee said:
1) Deal with it
B) Don't come to XDA.
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iii) Discuss it. Maybe someone with some insight on the back-end of XDA will chime in with advice. Maybe they don't even know some people have a problem and they will be able to make a change on their side. Poor performance and/or ad blocking aren't in anyone's best interest.
Other vbulletin forums don't gobble memory for me. I think that XDA is unlike the average vbulletin forum.

My computer is a single core hyperthreading 3.21GHz <--- (basically a wannabe duo core) with 1gb ram. I use chrome, with adblocker and my browser NEVER lags or anything, even with MANY XDA pages open...

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..snip.. I think that XDA is unlike the average vbulletin forum.
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There in is the rub. XDA is a very large forum, we have a full time person, optimizing and maintaining our servers, as I'm sure you can imagine. SO I will hit him up and see if he says anything. But we have discussed this before, in the year or more have upgraded many of our servers to improve the speed.
So while I may have seemed like a jerk, its not because I don't care, its because we are constantly trying to improve the performance of XDA. However, with the numerous different computer setups and internet connections, not everyone is going to have a blazing fast experience, some of that it outwith our control.

Thank you. All we ask is to have your person look into it.
I will do what I can from my end. I don't think it is a vbulletin problem. That and server issues would only account for slow page loads. They wouldn't account for bringing a computer to its knees. When the page loads fully and I scroll my mouse, there is a 5-10 second lag before the page actually scrolls.
I like xda and I don't want to use ad blockers if that is the culprit as that it's how you survive and pay the bills. But there is some bad code somewhere.
I saw a few add blockers that will let you select what adds to disable. Maybe I can narrow it down some.
All we are asking is to look into and not a canned like it or leave it option.

JimmyMcGee said:
...we are constantly trying to improve the performance of XDA....
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It shows. For me, the XDA experience is great in all the most important ways: speed, features, and community. I guess complaining about memory usage is a bit of a nit pick =P

Improve YouTube HD streaming speeds - try this!

This works very well for me, especially with embedded videos:
For Android phone (rooted required), download "AFWall+" from the Store.
Go to Setting > Set Custom Scripts
Enter in these 2 scripts separate by each line.
$IPTABLES -A INPUT -s 206.111.0.0/16 -j REJECT
$IPTABLES -A INPUT -s 173.194.55.0/24 -j REJECT
Press Ok and thats it! Enjoy HD quality videos with no wait time!
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HOW THIS WORKS: http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1az6f0/how_to_load_youtube_faster_on_your_phone_or
*Apparently this works by affecting the way your tablet connects to the YouTube servers rather than going through your ISP. It's a direct connection and that is why it is faster. Works very well for me, especially with embedded vidoes in the stock browser. YMMV.

Noticed using the stock or chrome browser to watch www.YouTube.com videos this seems to help a lot. Videos load almost instantly. Even better using dolphin which is terrible at embedded YouTube.

What does it do exactly?

pibach said:
What does it do exactly?
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It is creating a firewall rule that will stop your device from talking to xo communications. IMO this is a bad thing to do as it will break things other then YouTube.

eousphoros said:
It is creating a firewall rule that will stop your device from talking to xo communications. IMO this is a bad thing to do as it will break things other then YouTube.
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What other things? I haven't noticed any issues and my YouTube feels faster.

pibach said:
What does it do exactly?
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Read the linked thread.

mitchellvii said:
What other things? I haven't noticed any issues and my YouTube feels faster.
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Anything that might live in that 65536 IP block.

eousphoros said:
Anything that might live in that 65536 IP block.
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So do I pass on something I benefit from every day just to avoid a mysterious problem I may never experience? Until something important seems broken I'm sticking with this. So far no problems.

And why does it accelerate youtube?
I think before suggesting some hack, it should be understood.

Or get the 1440 update.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...roid-delivers-number-playlist-related-tweaks/

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And why does it accelerate youtube?
I think before suggesting some hack, it should be understood.
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That's why I posted the reference link. Did you read it?

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Or get the 1440 update.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...roid-delivers-number-playlist-related-tweaks/
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I don't see any speed tweaks described in that update. As a matter of fact I tried it and videos loaded slower and got buffer lag throughout. Uninstalling.

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That's why I posted the reference link. Did you read it?
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Would be good to give a short summary.
"Connecting your YouTube videos straight to Google's servers, instead of getting redirect to cached servers from your Internet Service Providers."
That would mean that the effect should very much depend on your provider.
Also wondering it this is a good ideal at all.
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here is some better explanation:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/tired-of-buffering-3-ways-to-speed-up-youtube/
"In an effort to preserve bandwidth, some ISPs will throttle bandwidth and download speeds on connections to servers that deliver cached video content, e.g., YouTube. The following command blocks IP addresses on this content delivering network, which forces YouTube to push the actual video straight to you (not the cached version) without any ISP throttling."
That is, the tweak does work only, if your provider does some throttling on youtube videos.

pibach said:
Would be good to give a short summary.
"Connecting your YouTube videos straight to Google's servers, instead of getting redirect to cached servers from your Internet Service Providers."
That would mean that the effect should very much depend on your provider.
Also wondering it this is a good ideal at all.
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That could also be said of flashing any rom. I did this and my YouTube, especially embedded in the stock browser is MUCH faster. Your mileage may vary. If you want to try it try it, if you don't don't. I've been running it for 24 hours now with only positive benefits.

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That is, the tweak does work only, if your provider does some throttling on youtube videos.
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There is more to it than that. You also avoid any other overhead involved in getting the cached version from your ISP (which can be significant). In my personal experience, direct is always faster. Just the same as using a Google DNS Nameserver is faster than letting your ISP do that for you.

Probably we could measure download bandwidth and compare?

pibach said:
Probably we could measure download bandwidth and compare?
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Think about it. Which is faster, streaming video content directly from YouTube or streaming content your ISP has downloaded, cached and then streamed to you (with God knows what throttling in place)? Even without throttling that intermediary step will lag the process.
Unless this hack will somehow allow the KGB to take control of your tablet and launch the nukes I don't see how this is a problem.

No, caching does not impose lag per se, since content is static. Though it depends on server speed and throttling.

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No, caching does not impose lag per se, since content is static. Though it depends on server speed and throttling.
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Think about it. Your ISP has to go to the YouTube servers and download the content, cache it then upload it to you. During that time you are subject to all the load on their servers, throttling and god knows what else. On the other hand you can go direct to the YouTube servers yourself and grab the content. Why take the long way around?
If it's faster and causes no specific harm anyone has identified, why not?
Anyway, don't care if you use it or not. Is working great for me as my embedded youtubes are loading much faster.

usually a caching strategy does only revert to local servers, if content is already present. Popular YouTube videos might be downloaded and cached already. That would not imply any overhead, quite the opposite. That's what caching its meant for. In this case however, throttling seems to deteriorate the potential benefits.
I highly appreciate your interesting tweak, just curious to know how it works.

The ads on this site are crashing my browser

You have huge animated ads all over every page. That is a very poor way to optimize a web page. I have a low end gaming rig and it's powerful enough that I should be able to browse the web. Yet this site crashes all my browsers. Also I refuse to use adblock because it spits viruses causing popups into chrome which make me have to reinstall chrome. However when I did have it installed other than the random mouse click popups it caused the site worked fine. I know you need to make money but it's not easy to make money if you are making a slow website that causes issues when trying to navigate the site. You don't have to have gigantic poorly animated banners all over the site that are honestly rough on the eyes. Thus making me look away from the ads. Please! please! please! Optimize this site better. This is why people use ad blocking software! Thanks. =)

@s4shield, post here.

NOOK!E said:
@s4shield, post here.
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I was going to the only thing is that it's most of the ads on the site. Not a specific ad. Thanks