After a spirited browsing session here at XDA -- peaking at about 15 tabs and 50 pages -- I find that my browser will permanently increase its memory footprint by 100-300 MB. Even once I close all the XDA tabs, that memory is not freed up until I restart the browser.
I have observed this behavior for years, and always with various versions of my main browser: Opera. This site has many great features, and loads fast, but it would still be nice if this wasn't happening.
Have you guys observed the same heavy RAM usage and/or leak?
My system:
Win 7
i7 920
6 GB DDR3
Actually yes I just did with firefox. In the past I never had this problem actually but lately I only use chrome for xda because firefox always gets stuck.
Firefox is not as bad as ie. But when I load up any page from xda in ie, it is so intensive on my processor that it makes the cpu fan ramp up. Then when I scroll, it is scroll and wait for the page to actually scroll and stop before I can click on anything. It is that intensive on system resources.
well an i7 920 and 6gb of ram is a pretty beastly pc, you don't need a 8-core cpu and 16 gigs (like i have) to surf a forum
It is very normal. Because web is powerful today.
For example, Firefox use a lot of memory: 10 tabs = 250MB memory
Firefox 11 improved memory usage, but still high.
All browsers has the same issue.
Maybe it the time to upgrade your memory. Memory is very cheap today
I am NOT upgrading my pc because one website is not acting right
Obvious, but have you tried clearing cache & temp internet files? There must be a reason because I've got a 2.4 AMD (dual core) with 4GB RAM and I never have the problem. I use Chrome 100% of the time though, so can't vouch for any of the other browsers.
I'm afraid I can't help you with opera but you can try firefox with memoryfox addon. It actively frees memory blocks. Visit www browsermemory.com
One or two times I noticed the problem too but for me it wasn't such a problem to deal with it. I had a quick look on the source of the site and it looks okay, the only active contents are ajax and javascripts, rest is just text, static images & css. The hog might be one of the ajax/javascripts.
I also use Opera (still prefer Firefox though ) and according to the task manager: Memory usage = 16k (average) & Virtual memory = 151k (average) when browsing XDA alone (1 tab).
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That's a mighty presumptuous statement. Regardless of if I'm browsing XDA or not, at any of the forums I frequent and if I have many tabs open eventually my Browser begins to Hog my memory, Such is the way the web is.
Do any of the people with the issue use ad-blockers? Ads are generally the culprit with things like this as the site has no (or little) control over what content they load. Also, having 50 flash files playing on separate tabs will definitely have an impact. As tigermess said, the site is mostly just text and images so it's next to nothing.
That would explain why I don't have the issue as I don't have ads turned on.
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That's a mighty presumptuous statement. Regardless of if I'm browsing XDA or not, at any of the forums I frequent and if I have many tabs open eventually my Browser begins to Hog my memory, Such is the way the web is.
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You are the one making the presumptuous statement. I don't use tabs. I usually have one site open at a time. In the rare instance I have more than one site open, it is in a separate browser session. And that is rare. I have deleted cache and temp . I don't run an ad blocker on my pc.
I am actually running on a fresh (but updated) restore of my hard drive from factory condition. I restored last week. It was doing it before and it's still acting the same way. Both in ie and ff. The only common thread is Eset smart security. I have not disabled to test that. I am leary of doing that here with all of the trash that loads with the ads here.
But when you are browsing fine, and you browse to this web site and your computer slows to a crawl, and the only thing open is this site, then that, sir, is not presumptuous!
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Do any of the people with the issue use ad-blockers?
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I don't, but I also don't have Flash installed\enabled in Opera.
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You are the one making the presumptuous statement. I don't use tabs. I usually have one site open at a time. In the rare instance I have more than one site open, it is in a separate browser session. And that is rare. I have deleted cache and temp . I don't run an ad blocker on my pc.
I am actually running on a fresh (but updated) restore of my hard drive from factory condition. I restored last week. It was doing it before and it's still acting the same way. Both in ie and ff. The only common thread is Eset smart security. I have not disabled to test that. I am leary of doing that here with all of the trash that loads with the ads here.
But when you are browsing fine, and you browse to this web site and your computer slows to a crawl, and the only thing open is this site, then that, sir, is not presumptuous!
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Fair enough.
And not to sound like a jerk, but here are your options.
1) Deal with it
B) Don't come to XDA.
In all honesty I could see that you are experiencing problems, but XDA is built on vbulletin. Which while vbulletin scales pretty good to work with XDA, its still a crappy program. Then again the sheer amount of activity on XDA precludes us from using other Forum software, and makes our site run slow on some peoples set ups.
XDA is the site that uses less memory on my PC and i don't have a super machine.. unlike is a pc of the stone age..
I use chrome with adblock plus, my pc is a celeron D 360 with 768 mb of RAM..
What & where's the problem?? I recommend you use an ad blocker and/or another browser..
Flash isn't friendly with any cpu and ram..
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1) Deal with it
B) Don't come to XDA.
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iii) Discuss it. Maybe someone with some insight on the back-end of XDA will chime in with advice. Maybe they don't even know some people have a problem and they will be able to make a change on their side. Poor performance and/or ad blocking aren't in anyone's best interest.
Other vbulletin forums don't gobble memory for me. I think that XDA is unlike the average vbulletin forum.
My computer is a single core hyperthreading 3.21GHz <--- (basically a wannabe duo core) with 1gb ram. I use chrome, with adblocker and my browser NEVER lags or anything, even with MANY XDA pages open...
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..snip.. I think that XDA is unlike the average vbulletin forum.
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There in is the rub. XDA is a very large forum, we have a full time person, optimizing and maintaining our servers, as I'm sure you can imagine. SO I will hit him up and see if he says anything. But we have discussed this before, in the year or more have upgraded many of our servers to improve the speed.
So while I may have seemed like a jerk, its not because I don't care, its because we are constantly trying to improve the performance of XDA. However, with the numerous different computer setups and internet connections, not everyone is going to have a blazing fast experience, some of that it outwith our control.
Thank you. All we ask is to have your person look into it.
I will do what I can from my end. I don't think it is a vbulletin problem. That and server issues would only account for slow page loads. They wouldn't account for bringing a computer to its knees. When the page loads fully and I scroll my mouse, there is a 5-10 second lag before the page actually scrolls.
I like xda and I don't want to use ad blockers if that is the culprit as that it's how you survive and pay the bills. But there is some bad code somewhere.
I saw a few add blockers that will let you select what adds to disable. Maybe I can narrow it down some.
All we are asking is to look into and not a canned like it or leave it option.
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...we are constantly trying to improve the performance of XDA....
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It shows. For me, the XDA experience is great in all the most important ways: speed, features, and community. I guess complaining about memory usage is a bit of a nit pick =P
Related
On The Same Day That We Hear Of DeepFish, The Minimo Project Which Is Hosted By Mozilla Releases An Update. It Can Handle Modern Web Standards Such As Javascript And Ajax Check It Out Here.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Cheers
Thanks for the headsup. Looks nice. A bit slower to fire up, but the features look pretty good.
the o2 wap site works incorrectly, acts like a download rather than a page.
I may need to configure this a bit more.
Thanks for the tip. Loading from the SD card takes quite a while... I'll try main memory to see what happens.
You serious? I am going to check this out now...
I am surprised, I had been reading the developer's blog and he had pretty much given up on the project saying that he didn't have time to write\update the app and that they were thinking of following another route to keep Firefox\Mozilla presence in the mobile market, but oh well, I am not complaining.
Okay, downloaded and installed -- yes, I am multi-tasking-- nice... nice... much better than the previous version. Still... uh... slow though.
Let me play with it a little more.
Thanks for the tip.
I installed it and it much better than previous verson. I might actually keep it on my 8525.
I would suggest anyone trying it first go to option and disable soft keyboard and also enable cache to storage card.
I have done several javascript testing on some sites which I know almost all mobile browser chokes on it and minimo actually breeze thur it.
It still a tad bit slow but I am impressed how it handled some of the websites now.
After playing with it last night.
I can honestly say that I am disappointed. After hitting a page earlier I decided to try again. I am a huge Firefox fan however this update left a lot to be desired. Yes, it is only Ver. 0.2 so it is far, far away from being finished.
I installed it on the memory card. Not that it should really make a difference since I have Webby and Opera installed there and they run without quibble.
I must have really bad luck since when I enter an address, all I get is another tab of empty white space.
Tried www.google.ca ... nothing.
Tried www.fido.ca ... just another empty tab.
Heck, tried clicking on preferences.... and... nothing. Just another empty tab.
Aside the Homebase tab I was not able to see anything. What happened with this thing???
Opera Mini
Does it also compress the pages like OPERA MINI?
I find that OPERA MINI is a fantastic webbrowser for PDA, due to its very good compression of the actual site..and the build in RSS reader.
And its fast...
Martinhdk said:
Does it also compress the pages like OPERA MINI?
I find that OPERA MINI is a fantastic webbrowser for PDA, due to its very good compression of the actual site..and the build in RSS reader.
And its fast...
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Uh? What are you asking exactly?
Opera Mini does not compress pages at all.
Opera gets its data from a cache servers at Opera's headquarters. Opera Mini by itself compresses nothing.
To answer your question, Minimo is a full fledge browser like Opera or PIE.
I know - but for me that does not matter anything.. I only look at how it works, and how much trafic I have to pay for.
And if Minimo or other Mob Browsers does not use any compression tools - I believe they will generate far to much trafic, to become any serious alternative...
I pay around 1½ Euro for a MB and when roaming - I do not even dare to investigate prices... hehe
But I find it cool to get new browsers and I might use another when on WIFI - perhaps Minimo
I found that Opera Mini, is not the best compared to the full fledge browsers.
However interesting how things change to different people around the world. Over here in Canada, I am one of the few people --as the plan no longer exists-- to pay $50 for unlimited data through HSDPA. So to me the data aspect means nothing and since I tether through my laptop, well, lets just say that just yesterday alone because of my laptop, I used about 250 megs.
I am more about the usability and end user experience.
Too bad Minimo didn't seem to work with WM6.
Perhaps other people on WM6 encounter the same experience?
Seemes to still be almost unusably slow to me. Just pressing the buttons on the bottom seems to take too long. What's worse, copy/pasting URLs from my IM client into the Minimo address bar alone made it crash out at times.
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I found that Opera Mini, is not the best compared to the full fledge browsers.
However interesting how things change to different people around the world. Over here in Canada, I am one of the few people --as the plan no longer exists-- to pay $50 for unlimited data through HSDPA. So to me the data aspect means nothing and since I tether through my laptop, well, lets just say that just yesterday alone because of my laptop, I used about 250 megs.
I am more about the usability and end user experience.
Too bad Minimo didn't seem to work with WM6.
Perhaps other people on WM6 encounter the same experience?
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In Denmark you can have unlimited for $85 with "3", but then you have TV-channels along with the offer - X-series. But still its quite expensive cause one still have to pay for calls... I have an old plan with 750 minuttes a month for $85 - so to put an unlimited data plan on top would give me an incredible phone bill every month... $85+$85... And by the way. At home I have a 4mb/768kb ADSL that costs another $85...
So... KEEP EXPENSIVES LOW --- hehehe..
By the way. I find that Opera Mini is very fast, and a lot faster than the build in browser - even when its on WIFI.
I don't get it, at first I was thinking maybe I had exited programs that I didn't recall having done so, but now I'm convinced that something is killing programs on my Tilt 2. For instance I'll download something in PIE, open it in Resco Explorer and go back to PIE and it's closed, I have to re-open it.. or I'll browse somewhere in Resco, launch a program, and when I go back to Resco it's closed..
Unfortunately things like Flexmail this is happening on as well.. It's running for a while then I look and it's no longer running.
Anyone have any guesses? The thing has 70M+ of ram free, often more! My Tilt never had more than 30M free and it never did this crap unless I ran something really big like iGO.
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I don't get it, at first I was thinking maybe I had exited programs that I didn't recall having done so, but now I'm convinced that something is killing programs on my Tilt 2. For instance I'll download something in PIE, open it in Resco Explorer and go back to PIE and it's closed, I have to re-open it.. or I'll browse somewhere in Resco, launch a program, and when I go back to Resco it's closed..
Unfortunately things like Flexmail this is happening on as well.. It's running for a while then I look and it's no longer running.
Anyone have any guesses? The thing has 70M+ of ram free, often more! My Tilt never had more than 30M free and it never did this crap unless I ran something really big like iGO.
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Load up Schap's Advanced Config and go to HTC Task Manager --> Memory Threshold. Mine is defaulted to 9.5MB which seems a little high (at least coming from my Hermes). Not sure if that's it or not, because as you say there's usually quite a bit of free memory. Might have a leaky program though which is causing the closures.
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Load up Schap's Advanced Config and go to HTC Task Manager --> Memory Threshold. Mine is defaulted to 9.5MB which seems a little high (at least coming from my Hermes). Not sure if that's it or not, because as you say there's usually quite a bit of free memory. Might have a leaky program though which is causing the closures.
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I wouldn't think so, as I'm not seeing any memory creep or anything like that, seeminly for zero reason programs are being killed. I agree it's likely a memory threshold, etc..
I run a memory monitor that draws a bar at the top of the screen called qwertymemory so I see how much ram is in use all the time. I HAVE seen nasty programs where the bar will start dropping in the past, but I have yet to see that on my Tilt 2. And as you say, why would this happen with 60-70M free?
Yeah, my memory is also (near, odd number...) 9M. I'm half tempted to turn off "Auto Kill" and see if the problem goes away.
I've been having a similar problem but only with Opera so not sure if it's connected.
When multiple tabs are open and I go into the start menu or such like (Opera is never on screen) it exits without notification. Didn't used to.
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I've been having a similar problem but only with Opera so not sure if it's connected.
When multiple tabs are open and I go into the start menu or such like (Opera is never on screen) it exits without notification. Didn't used to.
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I like Opera to browse, but I wish it wouldn't run at boot, I haven't yet figured out what starts it up after a reset. I need to at least do the registry tweak to be able to kill it I guess.. Lots of ram there.
But I haven't used it that much to notice that.. but it makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of crazy problem that's either killing or crashing programs.
I have had the problem with messenger, with no other programs running - I thought it was me going mad (again)
khaytsus - I have prevented Opera from running at start using
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
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khaytsus - I have prevented Opera from running at start using
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
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Sweet, thanks! I wonder if this matters since I'm not using TF3D but I'm going to try it regardless.
Okay, this is totally pissing me off. Today I went out geocaching, and with my Tilt here's what I typically did:
With 35-40M free ram: Ran GeoNiche in Styletap, ran TrackMe, and Tom Tom. Tracked my progress, navigated via car from cache to cache, then zeroed in on the cache with Styletap. I didn't have to do anything kludgy, this was on top of my normal load of programs, including some fairly large things like S2U2, KaiserNotify, lots of Today plugins, etc.. Again, 35-40M free ram typically.
Same exact scenario with my Tilt 2 with 75-90M of free ram I could not run all three programs at once without one of them exiting. Never did my ram go below 50M free. I disabled the HTC Task autokill thing in Advanced Config (and soft reset) and it didn't change things.. This is driving me batty.
Anyone have any other suggestions? I wouldn't think so, but is it a possible max programs limitation I'm running into?
Crap, I just noticed that without any extra programs running, MemMaid said there were 27 processes. As I understand it, Windows Mobile has a limit of 32, so I bet that's what was causing me trouble earlier.
I've just killed a few non-essential things (qwertymemory, arialbattery, ms voice control, opera9, tmail) and left the rest (including s2u2) and launched TomTom, GeoNiche (in styletap), GCzII, TrackMe.. All running fine now, at least for the moment.
I guess I need to optimize what's running at boot.. Meh.
Yep, I'm getting pretty convinced that's what's going on. I've just booted my Kaiser and it has 23 processes at bootup, gives a lot more headroom for new processes. I have my Tilt 2 down to 23 now, with some sacrifices.
WM has a limit of 32 processes ?! Why ?!
What's the point of all that RAM then ? The likely hood of me ever video editing on my phone is rather low since I own a real computer to do that stuff.
Microsoft will never cease to confuse me with their strange ways
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WM has a limit of 32 processes ?! Why ?!
What's the point of all that RAM then ? The likely hood of me ever video editing on my phone is rather low since I own a real computer to do that stuff.
Microsoft will never cease to confuse me with their strange ways
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Read the link I put in there, it explains it... The next base of WinCE fixes it, but traditionally it's 32. Why? Who knows... It's not a big deal until you find that with a normal installation with a few programs you're sitting at around 28-29.
I've still found it blowing away apps sometimes, I think sometimes there's just one or two more things that happen in the background (weather updates, maybe gpstoday, who knows) and one of my apps goes poof. I have it down to 24 at startup now too. But after a while various other things sneak into it and I find it around 27-28 again.
Just had another look and can't see a link. Sorry if I'm being dumb
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Just had another look and can't see a link. Sorry if I'm being dumb
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Must have been in another thread I posted it.. Search the whole forum for windows mobile 32 processes and you'll find several references, although I can't find the thread I found with concrete info.. It's clearly 32....
take from storage mem and use for program ram?
I have had the same things going on I have although been at times idling from 59% to 79% this is if I clean ram 3 do not open any programs and check the phone after 15 min or so. I have been searching for a way to increase the program ram size from 173.3mb to over 200mb taking from storages 266.3 if need be. as of now I have "reg edit hklm/software/htc/resproxy/sharememsize=0" and that has helped a lot but I install only what I really need to in phone storage so I would really like to make more use of it by dedicating it to program ram. p
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I have had the same things going on I have although been at times idling from 59% to 79% this is if I clean ram 3 do not open any programs and check the phone after 15 min or so. I have been searching for a way to increase the program ram size from 173.3mb to over 200mb taking from storages 266.3 if need be. as of now I have "reg edit hklm/software/htc/resproxy/sharememsize=0" and that has helped a lot but I install only what I really need to in phone storage so I would really like to make more use of it by dedicating it to program ram. p
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My issue, as far as I know, really had nothing to do with ram.. It was processes.
I still have this problem sometimes, but it's NOWHERE as bad as it was before I removed a few things I really didn't need and have my 'typical' process load down to around 25.
BTW, I've heard of people having problems after changing the shared mem size to 0, one I think was related to multiple tabs in Opera.. Just keep it in mind.
Do you really have that much problem with free ram? I never had any problem with my Tilt and I typically had 25-30m at any time, and on my Tilt 2 I generally have 60-70m... Accounting (guestimating) for additional space for WVGA graphics I'd think that's more than equivalent..
More threads on this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600210
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600356
this always happens to phones that have been flashed to much there no fixing this. Your just plain fu?k*d sorry.
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this always happens to phones that have been flashed to much there no fixing this. Your just plain fu?k*d sorry.
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Here's really all I can say..
Something that I'm coming to terms with, with the Android OS and HTC. It's feeling a bit like my desktop computer.
Obviously pros and cons.
But the irritating thing is that, unlike my desktop, you don't really have an option to exit most apps. Why? I love Android because it's very customisable. But why is there not the option to leave it in the background OR close it completely? I'm not an Apple fan, but I get the feeling that they will have a cleaner multitask/program control system. Eventually. Still won't buy one though!
Then you have the Palm WebOS that shows everyone how to multitask. And with, let's be frank, hardware that puts it (at best) middle of the smartphone pack.
Then you have startup. I've got Fring and Docs to Go (free version), and for some reason, they both startup with powering up. Fring even has an option to startup or not to startup. Maybe that's a bug. But Docs to Go? I can't even see the option. Hopefully these two are the exceptions.
But just the simple thing (I think) first. Why the hell is there not an option on every program to exit it - therefore killing it dead?! Why why why? I'm no programmer but is this really such an issue???
Fortunately there's many programmers on this great site so maybe someone can educate me.....
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But just the simple thing (I think) first. Why the hell is there not an option on every program to exit it - therefore killing it dead?! Why why why? I'm no programmer but is this really such an issue???
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Because the android system doesn't need to kill applications, it just takes resources from them when they are needed. You can manually kill tasks but then the resources will just be reassigned in a matter of minutes.
Which is definitely impressive.
But as some programmers I've spoken to said, it doesn't seem to work as precisely as you may want. Windows Mobile had a similar issue. It was meant to work, but didn't.
In fact, now that you mention it, I think I may do a Palm PreCentral.com task, and see how many apps I can open before I see slowdown. If I see slowdown.
This will be interesting....
Go and read at Google how to setup an android application an how the application processes work. You don't have to be a programmer, but it answers all you questions and doubts.
There was even an article somewhere that using a taskmanager and killing tasks decreases battery life. Not what you would expect, but understandable when you see how the structure works.
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Then you have startup. I've got Fring and Docs to Go (free version), and for some reason, they both startup with powering up. Fring even has an option to startup or not to startup. Maybe that's a bug. But Docs to Go? I can't even see the option. Hopefully these two are the exceptions.
Fortunately there's many programmers on this great site so maybe someone can educate me.....
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I assume that Docs to Go preloads some stuff it needs so that it won't have to load that when opening the first document. You have to see: A background task isn't something bad, as long as it's not doing anything it won't use battery either.
Same with "free" memory: if memory is "free", it's not being used. Docs to Go puts itself in the memory so it's already there when needed. You'll never have trouble with not having enough free memory to run an app, because Android takes care of that (frees memory when needed, leaves stuff in memory when there is plenyty of room to do so).
Use advanced task killer and it should kill any app, with all apps you should be able to turn it off so it doesn't automatically start when you turn on the phone, try opening the app and press menu or look into the options to turn it off
@ RaptorRVL - I would be very interested in reading that article. And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, I mean I would honestly be interested in reading it as if it's true, I need to adjust my thinking on how Android workds. I'm looking, but if you find any links, please share.
@oawalker - I know there's many arguements about task killers whether they are needed or not. I have one. But I'm not going to say it's absolutely necessary as I think I need to read more hard facts. But it sort of brings me back here.
As jm997 has said, Android OS rejiggs resources as required, so you are never left wanting. However on earlier devices, this was obviously not working to such a degree as many complained of slowdown. Hence we come to today with the arguements of do I / don't I get/need a task manager.
I have to admit, it was the first app that I got so I could see what is running natively so I know what not to trouble. But I'm a control freak, I have to know.
What I just did was to load up every app I had, 50 in total, along with the apps and widgets already running, maybe another 5-10, to see if I can see slowdown. And I watched the memory on my memory widget drop to 10%. And I gotta say, my Desire is still running as smooth as it ever was with maybe a slightest fraction of slowdown. If that.
However, 1. I have no idea what affect this has on my battery life. 2. I would still like to be able to totally close something by simply tapping exit, or purposely leave it running.
Don't get me wrong, the multitasking, as I've just mentioned, is very impressive and obviously much better than earlier versions. And Android is still a new OS that's maturing nicely. But I still gotta wonder if this is a clean way to operate or if we are heading for a bit of a Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.x mess.
Now to find those pages RaptorRVL spoke of......
Random trivia: I just put "android", "google" and "multitasking" into Google, and the top 3 hits are all about speculation about will a platform that doesn't really multitask, really multitask.
"Rumored iPhone OS multitasking would use Exposé-like feature"
"Apple iPhone vs. Google Android – Mobile Software War Between ..."
"Are the people at Google watching the iPad release? - Android Help"
Go figure. Come to your own conclusions....
If I remember correctly, in the earlier versions of Android (1.x), there was an option for developers to force programs to stay in memory. This was meant to be for programs that needed it, but unfortunally it was abused, so Google removed it as of 2.x.
The Desire runs 2.1, so it shouldn't be a problem for us anymore.
This article was written in Norwegian, but I'll post a Google translate link, as it was very good
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Here is the link to the translated article:
http://translate.google.com/transla...du-avslutte-programmer-i-android/&sl=no&tl=en
Some words was translated badly, but most of it was fine.
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Random trivia: I just put "android", "google" and "multitasking" into Google, and the top 3 hits are all about speculation about will a platform that doesn't really multitask, really multitask.
"Rumored iPhone OS multitasking would use Exposé-like feature"
"Apple iPhone vs. Google Android – Mobile Software War Between ..."
"Are the people at Google watching the iPad release? - Android Help"
Go figure. Come to your own conclusions....
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here you go
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
this should enlighten you about Android memory management as it did for me
good luck
That was the article I was referring to.
And for more information read this: http://developer.android.com/guide/
Thanks Zappza and irkan. Great info and very informative.
I think the bits that stuck out for me are:
"The point is to not see Android as a PC, where applications run until you stop them. It works just not the same."
"...linux will run the same regardless of if you have 20mb free memory or 200mb."
"It has been possible for software developers to implement a feature... and could therefore not be concluded automatically. Android phone will not quit the program even if there is a need for memory or CPU resources the program uses. ...As a result, so the function removed in Android 2.0."
Ok, for the next week at least, no killing tasks at all. Let's see how that goes.
I like this site. There's always people willing to school you with facts rather than abuse you with hot air.
When I turn my phone on I get all of these apps running:
Music
FM Radio
Calander
People
Documents2Go
ShopSavvy
Assistant Free
CNET scan and shop
timeriffic
3
Photos
Mail
Footprints
Google Mail
Settings
3G watchdog
Wave secure
handcet sms
messages
facebook
clock
advanced Task Killer
How can I stop this??? Surely this is taking up my battery??
Raminder1992 said:
When I turn my phone on I get all of these apps running:
Music
FM Radio
Calander
People
Documents2Go
ShopSavvy
Assistant Free
CNET scan and shop
timeriffic
3
Photos
Mail
Footprints
Google Mail
Settings
3G watchdog
Wave secure
handcet sms
messages
facebook
clock
advanced Task Killer
How can I stop this??? Surely this is taking up my battery??
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if its not active or updating it is not eating the battery power, it will only take small very small memory to reside in, and even with that, when any process is inactive for along time and if Android needs memory, it will not hesitate to take it (the memory) away from that inactive process.
irkan said:
if its not active or updating it is not eating the battery power, it will only take small very small memory to reside in, and even with that, when any process is inactive for along time and if Android needs memory, it will not hesitate to take it (the memory) away from that inactive process.
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Hello, thank you for that. After reading the article you posted I was not sure if it was for all apps.
I have deleted my ATK and lets see how it goes .... because my battery life was pretty poor before!
Also when you check your battery life is there any way to get the % rather than that big bar thing split into 10 bars?
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Hello, thank you for that. After reading the article you posted I was not sure if it was for all apps.
I have deleted my ATK and lets see how it goes .... because my battery life was pretty poor before!
Also when you check your battery life is there any way to get the % rather than that big bar thing split into 10 bars?
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there is a Battery widget i believe, you can download it, and it will show you a percentage of the battery, not sure of the exact name though, check in the download widgets
Now that I've read more, and thinking back to all the arguements I read about Android and task killers, and it occured to me that every post that spoke about slowdown, it was based on knowledge from Android 1.x. I'm still trying to get some slowdown (due to memory) on my unit and haven't managed it yet.
So I'm curious now, has anyone experienced slowdown on an Android 2.x device? I'm guessing much much less, if any.
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Now that I've read more, and thinking back to all the arguements I read about Android and task killers, and it occured to me that every post that spoke about slowdown, it was based on knowledge from Android 1.x. I'm still trying to get some slowdown (due to memory) on my unit and haven't managed it yet.
So I'm curious now, has anyone experienced slowdown on an Android 2.x device? I'm guessing much much less, if any.
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Only when the FM radio freaked out and started locking my phone up, other then that no slow downs.
I'm a long time Windows "expert" and as such have become a bit paranoid about closing rather than minimising apps. When I got my first Android phone I, like a lot of other windows people, immediately installed a task killer. I soon found it a mistake though. Battery life was definitely worse and applications took longer to load. It's very difficult for people with a Windows background to accept that Android works in a different way and that, providing the application is written property, suspended apps. are not using any appreciable resources.
If windows has been written better in the first place we would never have preceived it as a problem. I am still tempted to install a task killer but I keep telling myself "this is not Windows".
Anyone noticed this or is it just me?
When clicking a link here on forum, fox will normally load up in 5-10 sec period. I thought this was the bandwidth problem of the website until I tried Chrome, which loads up instantly in general.
Just updated from 8.0 to 10.0 of firefox, it loads up a bit faster, in less than 5 secs generally, but still really slow compared to Chrome.
I know here we have a huge Android community, and if you love Android, you probably love Google, and if google, then probably Chrome. Then, a lot of people might choose Chrome over Fox any day, and would point out how Fox is weak, but let's be technical here
For me, Chrome is just a minor substitute browser, which I normally use for different kinds of purposes (like logging into > 1 accounts at one site and so on). And I've used Firefox for years, so I'm definitely a good supporter of the Fox.
Anyway, I wasn't sure if I should post here or Q&A or Offtopic, so I just went ahead and chose the seemingly most generic forum to post. Hope it's OK.
Shall we discuss this if anyone's interested...
Cheers
Have you got a trace of the page load times?
Sorry, how do I get the trace? I am normally the highest layer of enthusiast, which basically means that I am a newb compared to 95% of the users here on xda
Firefox uses a different rendering engine than Chrome. Chrome also uses a faster java script rendering engine, allowing it to load pages faster than Firefox.
Sent from my Galaxy S II ( SGH-i777) using XDA Premium.
I see...
Now that my firefox also started acting weird when loading a thread page. It always keeps loading. Everything is already loaded within couple seconds, but it won't stop loading until i stop it.
Tried to use the extension firebug to *see* what was going on, even though I have no idea what i was seeing... I don't understand a thing about those scripts and codes...
I did find this error [fetch_object("currentPost") is null] and below it, description is "(?)()showth...2446654 (line 1) event = load"
Hi!
Sorry to bring this up again, but since it's not solved yet and I am having bad performance with Firefox, too...
I noticed that every time I enter the forum firefox is busying one thread for 100%, i.e. my dual core is 50% busy. This stays for, say, one or two minutes until the CPU is idle again. It seems that Firefox only uses that single thread, or at least is waiting for it to complete whatever it does, because while it's busy every action takes one second to complete. For instance, when I then scroll down three lines, it will take three seconds, one line each second. This makes the forum nearly unusable during that time.
Once the CP is idle again, it stays that way for a while but sometimes the problem happens again, e.g. when I open another thread.
The problem does not happen for Internet Explorer, and also not for Firefox when I use the IE Tab 2 plugin. Also, I did not see such a problem on any other web page with Firefox.
Any suggestions ?
Using Firefox on my mom's notebook (Vista, Intel Core 2 Duo. 2Gb RAM) and topics loads pretty quick. Version 11.0
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Using Firefox on my mom's notebook (Vista, Intel Core 2 Duo. 2Gb RAM) and topics loads pretty quick. Version 11.0
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Sorry, not for me. Just now as I write this reply at work, firefox occupies 25% on my quad core machine and is laggy as hell.
Edit: I tried again with all add-ons deactivated, and it's fast! Will figure out which one is causin the lag and post later.
Edit 2: Turns out it was the Linkification 1.3.9 add-on which I configured to use "Thorough Mode". This option is described with "Page load time may load slower", so it's totally my fault. Would have never noticed if you would not have mentioned that it works for you Will use normal mode for Linkification -- pretty fast everything now!
I'm having some really bad issues which are making the forums not usable. I haven't really changed anything so am not sure what the issue is.
1) The fonts and spacing is very odd, with sometimes larger or smaller font than expected and sometimes it's all scrunched in on one side.
2) Ads will often overlay on top of the forums, the sidebar on the right will sometimes be right in the middle of the forum page blocking my view, I don't see any way to move it.
3) Very jerky scrolling, sometimes scrolling jumps an entire page, other times it is just kind of ratchety, I turn my mouse wheel and it seems like every scroll takes a half second to catch up. My mouse is set to scroll 3 lines, but I've tried it with 1 line and it's the same. It's the same with smooth scrolling turned on or off.
4) The forums in general are very very slow, I mean unusable slow. A forum page may take upwards of 10 seconds to load, it seems like the ads are what's slowing it down because I can see the page stall, then the ad loads and everything works.
5) Most of the elements on the forum webpage seem to overlap each other, and many elements don't show up, or don't show a graphic but you can still mouse hover and see it's there.
I'm using Internet Explorer 11 on windows 10 on a surface pro 3 (i5/8gm RAM). Any help or suggestions for streamlining would be appreciated. Included a screen shot of the odd fonts and spacing. Zooming, or CTRL+ +/- doesn't help.
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I'm having some really bad issues which are making the forums not usable. I haven't really changed anything so am not sure what the issue is.
1) The fonts and spacing is very odd, with sometimes larger or smaller font than expected and sometimes it's all scrunched in on one side.
2) Ads will often overlay on top of the forums, the sidebar on the right will sometimes be right in the middle of the forum page blocking my view, I don't see any way to move it.
3) Very jerky scrolling, sometimes scrolling jumps an entire page, other times it is just kind of ratchety, I turn my mouse wheel and it seems like every scroll takes a half second to catch up. My mouse is set to scroll 3 lines, but I've tried it with 1 line and it's the same. It's the same with smooth scrolling turned on or off.
4) The forums in general are very very slow, I mean unusable slow. A forum page may take upwards of 10 seconds to load, it seems like the ads are what's slowing it down because I can see the page stall, then the ad loads and everything works.
5) Most of the elements on the forum webpage seem to overlap each other, and many elements don't show up, or don't show a graphic but you can still mouse hover and see it's there.
I'm using Internet Explorer 11 on windows 10 on a surface pro 3 (i5/8gm RAM). Any help or suggestions for streamlining would be appreciated. Included a screen shot of the odd fonts and spacing. Zooming, or CTRL+ +/- doesn't help.
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First let me say that I'm moving this thread to About xda-developers since that's where site issues and discussion belong.
About your issue specifically: I haven't seen anyone making this complaint, but I do have a suggestion. Internet Explorer is terrible at rendering websites. The worst bar none. Since you are on Windows 10, I'd switch to the Edge browser (even Microsoft wants you to). Or you could switch to Firefox (my personal favorite), Chrome, or any other derivative of those. Microsoft only included IE in Windows 10 for backward compatibility and so I'd quit using it. I even got my 70 year old father in law to give up his beloved Internet Explorer. If he can do it, you can too! :highfive:
Thanks, hopefully someone here can offer a solution. I'm kind of stuck on IE11 until Edge gets extensions, but the reality is that millions of people still use IE11 and it should be supported.
I stopped using IE because I was having a lot of the problems you describe, especially the sticking and locking up ones. I switched to Chrome and have not looked back. Edge is too plain and like you said, lacks extensions. You are not stuck on IE though. Other browsers, like Chrome, Firefox, Maxthon, Opera, etc use the same extensions IE does. Have you tried opening up the XDA page in another browser just to troubleshoot? If you want to stay on IE, you can try deleting your IE cache and junk files, reset it to default settings, or even try putting the XDA webpage in compatibility mode and see if that helps. Try opening up IE with all plug-ins disabled, again, just for troubleshooting . Another note about IE. Microsoft just dropped support for versions 10 and below, and I will bet version 11 will be the last of it.
I had this problem recently. It's good to see it wasn't just my usual bad luck!
I do most of my modding at work (sshh..) and our IT department has recently moved everybody over to IE from Chrome. It is noticeably worse at displaying this forum and is, to be honest, a horrible program to use. I even miss Navigator..
Good to see I'm not the only one suffering, though!
I also have a lot of trouble using IE11 on XDA.
For the past few months I have had all the problems listed in the original post.
Now it seems like the page layout problems has been fixed, but for now I can not load a single page on XDA without IE11 locking up.
I have had more problems loading pages on XDA the past few months, than I have had on all other websites combined for the past 10 years - nothing but trouble on XDA..
It must be possible to make this site compatible with IE11, right?
(FYI: I am not using IE11 to write this post - it would be impossible)
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I also have a lot of trouble using IE11 on XDA.
For the past few months I have had all the problems listed in the original post.
Now it seems like the page layout problems has been fixed, but for now I can not load a single page on XDA without IE11 locking up.
I have had more problems loading pages on XDA the past few months, than I have had on all other websites combined for the past 10 years - nothing but trouble on XDA..
It must be possible to make this site compatible with IE11, right?
(FYI: I am not using IE11 to write this post - it would be impossible)
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I'm getting that as well. It's very depressing...but it's good to know that it's not just me.