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We were comparing my SGN to my friends 2 year old windows phone. He was interested in browser speed and performance so I showed him, then he showed me his, then I got sad. I can hear the jokes starting, lol...
His windows browser was silky smooth, zooming in and out, and even the rotating was great. I read somewhere that Google did that rotaing delay so it won't accidentally rotate while in your pants or something like that. Well I don't want that, I would like that option. And I know for a fact it can rotate instantly and fluently. I say this because if you open stock camera, and rotate it around, the small indicators and gallery preview rotate flawlessly and silky smooth. Is it the ram? Why would a 2 year old device out perform a 1.2 processor these days in browser performance? I'm a little bummed.
And let me not mention that multi task soft button... And info would much be appreciated, thanks...

I guess we would need to know what model of windows mobile phone your friend had to start off.
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spencer88 said:
I guess we would need to know what model of windows mobile phone your friend had to start off.
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Windows Trophy, and I think it released this summer... ?

What's wrong with the multitask soft key? I think it's pretty awesome.
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Ask him if he wants to trade. I can have a guess as to who is getting the better deal
Also, if its an HTC Trophy, it was released May 2011. Hardly a 2-year old phone as you described in OP
I mostly have 2 things to say: 1) By most accounts the SGN has one of the fastest browsers of any mobile device (benchmark wise) and 2) You'd be pleasantly surprised how well WP7 performs on a single core 1ghz processor.
People really need to kick the stigma on WP7. Its not a POS platform. You shouldn't be surprised that it performs like it should.

It has to do with how each OS handles UI rendering and what gets loaded. Go to a site that requires flash and you'll start seeing limitations in WP
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It has to do with how each OS handles UI rendering and what gets loaded. Go to a site that requires flash and you'll start seeing limitations in WP
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I see your point but thats not the best comparison. Specifically choosing a site that only will load fully on one of the devices doesn't prove that device is better.
Loading a page that both devices can render fully and seeing which one does better (in benchmarks and look/feel) is the best head to head comparison.

rabaker07 said:
What's wrong with the multitask soft key? I think it's pretty awesome.
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It's one of my fave new features, just laggy... But I am running stock. It did release May, still half the ram... But he was amazed by the speedy UI stock and, of course, the screen...

WP 7 is just a faster UI and is more efficient than android in a lot of ways.
Also consider that his phone isn't pushing as many pixels as yours.
Microsoft has really focused on UI speed and touch response in WP 7, and it's pretty obvious when using one of those devices.
Even with ICS, android just doesn't match WP7 in terms of touch response and UI fluidity.
Nothing wrong with your device or his device. They're both great devices for different reasons.
4.03 helps quite a bit with the multi-tasking button lag, though.. so you'll see that improve when you get that update in the next few weeks.

Its been known that Microsoft went all out with windows phone and made the smoothest UI of all time and did extremely low level drivers with qualcom to get such performance out of the snapdragon chip set. Its the most fluid smooth UI I've ever seen. I'm just glad ice cream sandwich moved in that direction finally.

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WP 7 is just a faster UI and is more efficient than android in a lot of ways.
Also consider that his phone isn't pushing as many pixels as yours.
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I thought ICS was supposed to have hardware acceleration so the graphics don't burden the CPU ? So, if anything, the nexus should have an advantage over the Windows phone.
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RogerPodacter said:
Its been known that Microsoft went all out with windows phone and made the smoothest UI of all time and did extremely low level drivers with qualcom to get such performance out of the snapdragon chip set. Its the most fluid smooth UI I've ever seen. I'm just glad ice cream sandwich moved in that direction finally.
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Well the Windows phones are all single core as well. I would doubt that ICS will ever compete on a single core. Even the hardware on the nexus struggles to run it. I guess in a month or so when the quads and higher clocking phones come out with ICS, we will get to see how they compare. Thats why I ditched my GN's. I just don't think the hardware is enough for ICS. I went back my trusty Atrix 2, slapped an ICS theme on it, and it does everything better than the nexus.

It's really not a fair comparison, looking at one particular aspect. WP7 has only one resolution, much lower than the GNex. All the graphics are simpler, and it can't run all the things in the background.
It's like comparing a hot air balloon to a helicopter, based on how smooth they are.
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T-Keith said:
It's really not a fair comparison, looking at one particular aspect. WP7 has only one resolution, much lower than the GNex. All the graphics are simpler, and it can't run all the things in the background.
It's like comparing a hot air balloon to a helicopter, based on how smooth they are.
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Agree about the simplererer graphics. I am loving the metro theme they uave going. Simple, yet elegant. But nothing beats Android as far as customization and personalization goes...
I tell everyone if two people were to drop their ihones, and I were to pick them up I wouldn't be able to differentiate one by the other because they all look the same, maybe except for the background but you can't even tell since all those static icons are in the way I have no idea where I am going with this so yea....
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I'm still skeptical about the Metro UI. It has a bit too much text for my taste. What happened to the "a picture is worth a thousand words"? The UI is very beautiful though

Why Android Browser has never used onSavedInstanceState?

Just curious thru the years androids browser has never implemented the save state call that is available to all apps. It DOES use onPause and onStop, but its not coded to dump the web page contents into onSavedInstanceState. Is it a matter of a web page contents being too large to dump into a database, or couldn't it be text only that's saved and no images etc? Perhaps a web page is too complex to dump so often, or maybe it could decrease ram total lifetime at a faster rate or something crazy like that. Still Google could easily come up with a special solution to this problem.
Any devs have insight?

It would be too slow. A web page can take a lot of memory. You'd also have to save the page state (JavaScript, frames history, DOM, ...). It's easier to just save the URL and reload, possibly from the disk cache.
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Well we definitely know there isn't even any temp loading from disk cache, its either held in ram completely, or killed and the link reloaded. I'm sure as you mentioned it'd be mind bogglingly difficult to capture full pages into cache with JavaScript, HTML5, etc. Its a moving target, small simple pages vs huge complex pages. Sigh, I just wish there is some quick easy solution...text only?

WebOS suspends apps well, so does Symbian from what I've seen, but Android still struggles with multitasking.
Maybe when phones have 2gb of ram, this problem will be fixed.
Just be glad you don't have the HTC one X. ..it can't even multitask between two apps. Pathetic.
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EP2008 said:
WebOS suspends apps well, so does Symbian from what I've seen, but Android still struggles with multitasking.
Maybe when phones have 2gb of ram, this problem will be fixed.
Just be glad you don't have the HTC one X. ..it can't even multitask between two apps. Pathetic.
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Man, as much as flak WebOS got, I really loved my Touchpad looking back at it. The multi-tasking on that was seamless and intuitive. I wish I never sold it now that there is plenty of development on it.

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I wish I never sold it now that there is plenty of development on it.
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Yeah and ics is more stable on it than my TF101... Go figure!
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Android 4.2 Rumor Round up

EDIT: This is a hoax. None of this was real. Source: http://androidandme.com/2012/10/news/retraction-recent-android-4-2-rumors-were-fake/
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And the rumor train continues!
New Nexus Program
Rumor: As previously reported, any manufacturer can produce a Nexus device or a Nexus version of an existing device. They work closely with Google on the hardware and driver details (there is a more efficient solution for this in 5.0), but Google is responsible for the updates (don’t know how the carriers factor in). The phones don’t necessarily have to have “Nexus” as part of their name, it works more like a certificate like “HD Ready”.
The devices have to fulfill some basic requirements. The phone has to ship with a stock version of Android, it needs to have the hardware power to run all “Nexus Games”, and they have to support Google Wallet, aka have NFC.
There are two carrots on a stick that probably make the Nexus brand a huge selling point. Google Play gets expanded with a media streaming service component and there will be games that only work on Nexus devices. The streaming service uses the secure memory, making it harder to pirate the content. No word of the type or source of the media, but it seems to be a big deal.
New Customization Center
Rumor: There is a new Customization Center, where you can change ringtones, language packs, background, launchers, and so on. There is nothing too sophisticated (for now). The center is mainly a convenient way to enable the average customer to do some basic customizations. The range of options can be expanded via Google Play of course. However, there are two new features: templates that change the appearance of all (newly introduced) dynamic icons at once, and post filters that change the appearance of the whole UI – think of Instagram.
The manufacturers may provide their custom UI through the Customization Center, but they don’t have to. When Google upgrades Android and a manufacturer fails to provide a compatible version of their custom UI the device reverts simply to the stock UI (or the user waits with the upgrade until the manufacturer catches up).
New Project Roadrunner
Rumor: There is major effort to improve the battery life called Project Roadrunner.
Updated Google Play
Rumor: Google Play is enhanced with new features like personalized search, optional promotional campaigns with notification center integration, more billing options, and easier in-app micro-transactions.
Updated Google Now
Rumor: Google Now provides help for basic OS functions, aka “Where can I activate bluetooth?” or “How can I tone down the brightness?”, to make it easy for newbies to settle in.
Updated Video Player
Rumor: The stock video player app gets a major revamp and provides new APIs for other video services to tie in.
Source: http://androidandme.com/2012/10/new...ore-customization-center-enhanced-google-now/
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Lots of stuff in there, better to view the original source as it is a very long article. Project Roadrunner sounds very interesting

If they do this Project Roadrunner as good as Project Butter, Android will be so much more amazing

That project Roadrunner caught my eye
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That project Roadrunner caught my eye
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Same here. Wonder if it'll be just as effective on LTE devices.
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Damn. Look at the minor updates that Google always do! It's not minor at all! This is the best OS ever,

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Same here. Wonder if it'll be just as effective on LTE devices.
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It should effect all devices on wifi the most. Probably a lot of background improvements.
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It's a great time to be a Nexus lover / pseudo nerd!

Project Roadrunner would be pretty sweet and I hope the Google Play stuff is implemented to countries other than the US, because I am pretty upset over the fact that I couldnt buy magazines (for an example) in the Google Play store.
Also that customization centre caught my attention. I hope they let the user change features like the wifi icon, cell signal and battery colour to whatever you want. There are loads of homescreen UIs that I wanted to do but it just wouldnt look good with the blue icons.

Wohaaa, so many great news! I hope these aren't just rumors, because it would be awesome!
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Please guys let's try to keep one thread clean and on topic. If some troll says something outlandish just ignore him. How many threads are we going to lose?
Less BS and more Nexus talk, please!
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Back on topic... Loving project road runner, but I have no idea how they are going to achieve this as the main battery drainer is the screen. So the only way around it is to change the screen technology or add more battery...
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springy said:
Back on topic... Loving project road runner, but I have no idea how they are going to achieve this as the main battery drainer is the screen. So the only way around it is to change the screen technology or add more battery...
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I'm curious and stocked about this too, yes I know it's a rumor but still. The CDMA version also has an LTE radio to contend with. I'm excited by the effort alone.
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springy said:
Back on topic... Loving project road runner, but I have no idea how they are going to achieve this as the main battery drainer is the screen. So the only way around it is to change the screen technology or add more battery...
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Not true at all....
You can streamline code a lot to tweak battery life substantially.

springy said:
Back on topic... Loving project road runner, but I have no idea how they are going to achieve this as the main battery drainer is the screen. So the only way around it is to change the screen technology or add more battery...
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It's a incremental Android version. It is not specified for one device (or any upcoming devices). It will be done via software through optimizations of line of code; definitely impressive if it is true. Android and Me is a reputable source and have always been accurate when it comes to their rumors in the past with Nexus rumors.
Anything is possible

"New Nexus Program
Rumor: As previously reported, any manufacturer can produce a Nexus device or a Nexus version of an existing device. They work closely with Google on the hardware and driver details (there is a more efficient solution for this in 5.0), but Google is responsible for the updates (don’t know how the carriers factor in). The phones don’t necessarily have to have “Nexus” as part of their name, it works more like a certificate like “HD Ready”.
The devices have to fulfill some basic requirements. The phone has to ship with a stock version of Android, it needs to have the hardware power to run all “Nexus Games”, and they have to support Google Wallet, aka have NFC.
There are two carrots on a stick that probably make the Nexus brand a huge selling point. Google Play gets expanded with a media streaming service component and there will be games that only work on Nexus devices. The streaming service uses the secure memory, making it harder to pirate the content. No word of the type or source of the media, but it seems to be a big deal."
Although I am definitely excited about the features (notably Project Roadrunner and the Customization Center), this is a wonderful initiative by Google. It seems they are attempting to address the fragmentation issues by incentivizing OEMs to carry stock Android and, thus, cutting down on different versions of Android floating around. All new handsets carrying the latest version would get rid of what is arguably Android's greatest flaw. This could be huge if it works well.

crixley said:
Not true at all....
You can streamline code a lot to tweak battery life substantially.
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But the fact will still remain that the screen will still use the most juice, yes? Some of the chip sets on android have proven pretty battery sippy, but android itself needs a little more gusto in the HP department to run comparably to iOS and WPx. Screen and battery tech still needs to change dramatically to make a noticeable difference. Amoled screens don't help either. I very much like apple's very accurate displays. Almost to the point I wish some OEM's would go for that, but amoled does one up in the contrast department which can be a lot more beneficial in a few situations. I would like to see a phone here and there released with amoled/slcd options. I would guess that the current galaxy nexus would see almost an hour extra screen time if it used LCD screen.
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Nope, just off of ignorance....
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Lol..back on topic fktard.
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Screens will always use the most battery overall. That does not mean that it should be the focus point to improve the overall battery life.
Many android devices have LCD screens like Apple. That is not the difference. iOS is incredibly efficient compared to Android. It is software. The iPhone 5 has a 1400 battery only. I don't want to hear any fanboy nonsense either. No widget / multitasking nonsense.
Take any android phone out there. Disable all widgets. Delete all unnecessary stuff from /system app that you want. Go to dev options and set it to allow no background processes. The battery life is just sub par compared to iOS. Don't be a fool and go oh my note or razzr max with 3000 or whatever barriers last longer. Look at 1400 vs what android equivalent to get equal battery life. Imagine a Android phone with the battery the size of the iPhone.
Apple sucks at a lot of things. Battery efficiency is not one of them.
I hope Google does but some serious effort into making android more energy efficient. Stop just relying on smaller more efficient soc's and bigger batteries.

springy said:
Back on topic... Loving project road runner, but I have no idea how they are going to achieve this as the main battery drainer is the screen. So the only way around it is to change the screen technology or add more battery...
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If Apple can do it then Google damn sure can its all about optimization
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The new Nexus program rumored makes me sad, now everyone is going to throw Nexus phones out there and they don't even have to have it in the name.

New to Android - Nexus 5X vs LG G4

Greetings,
I'm currently looking to buy one of these devices.
They cost the same here.
My question is, if Nexus 5X's RAM would be enough for future?
It would be nice to hear your opinion/experience.
Thanks for your time
Note: This would be my first Android phone - I'm a programmer, I have Lumia 920 currently

I've heard people essentially **** on the LG G4, but I also have a few friends who own the G4 and love it. The same could be said for the N5X. I'd suggest you take a look at this comparison as it illustrates some big differences between the two phones. Overall, the G4, being a former flagship device, is going to have more features.
The Nexus 5X's amount of RAM will never bother me. 2 GB is fine and if you have any knowledge of Linux you'll agree that unused RAM is wasted RAM. Use that **** up!
I have a degree in Computer Security, as do a lot of my buddies. A few of them that work for the government were diehard iPhone and Android fans before they were hired and now are very interested in Windows phones because of the ability to develop cool stuff in .NET and XAML for that platform. If you want to make the jump to Android and perhaps start delving into modding these phones, developing for them or whatever, then a Nexus device is always going to be your best bet. These phones were basically meant for developers when they were first release. That's why they're simple, vanilla and unlocked.

Thanks for your answer, I prefer N5X in most aspects, but was a bit concerned about the RAM, so yeah, I'm getting Nexus 5X.

I owned a G4 and liked it for the most part, but ultimately I just couldn't take LG's software anymore. I'm now rocking a 5X and happy with it.
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Raxume said:
Thanks for your answer, I prefer N5X in most aspects, but was a bit concerned about the RAM, so yeah, I'm getting Nexus 5X.
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Remember that zRAM is still something that can be used as well. This essentially expands RAM on this phone to close to 2.5GB with a minimal performance hit, which is kind of nice. I've run this phone with it disabled before and never really got memory usage up to the point where things got sluggish.

Is 4GB ram enough?

I'm thinking about finally buying a new phone to replace my old nexus 5x... Pixel 2 XL is definitely on my list, as well as V30.
But I've looked at the speed tests on YouTube from the phonebuff guy and it struck me that all the Android phones with less than 6gb ram struggle greatly with the test in opening all the apps for the second time. For me it's really close to daily usage test and I must say that I notice it more and more switching from different apps. None of the phones with 6gb (oneplus 5, P10, s8+) as well as iPhone 7 / 7 plus had any issues in that manner. On the other hand side I'm not a gamer so not sure whether I will notice that problem at all with a 4Gb phone...
I also don't think that the oreo will bring any improvement (at least it didn't to my 5x).
Not sure what to do now... I'll also wait for the huawei mate 10 and then make a decision...
Any thoughts?
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I have a Nexus 5X as well and while 2GB isn't enough in my experience it's just barely not enough. I personally am not concerned at all that 4GB isn't going to be enough.

I had a regular xl and it was really smooth on Oreo. I'm not really worried about 4 gb
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4 GB is plenty of horsepower! ????

Lol.. Like Gates... 640KB ought to be enough for anybody
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If 4GB Ram is enough for Galaxy S8+, which it is, I have one! With all TW nonsense,
it'd surely be enough for Pixel 2/XL devices as well!

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If 4GB Ram is enough for Galaxy S8+, which it is, I have one! With all TW nonsense,
it'd surely be enough for Pixel 2/XL devices as well!
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Agreed. My Galaxy S8 ran buttery smooth with 4GB RAM, even with the obnoxious amount of bloatware Samsung puts on the phone. I used the S8 as my daily driver for 4 months and never had a hiccup/stutter. So the Pixel 2 XL should be perfectly fine with 4GB RAM.
Oddly enough, my 4 day old LG V30 with 4GB RAM stutters/lags all over the place. However, I truly believe this is due to LG's software needing some significant performance optimization, rather than the phone having 4GB RAM.
I can't wait to get my Pixel 2 XL and turn this V30 back into T-Mobile.

I ran every single app on my phone back to back while setting up my 2XL. I have over 100 apps installed. At one point I needed to go back to play something I had left running on the Xfinity streaming app. When I used the app switcher, it was like I never unloaded the program, and I was something like 20-30 apps deep at that point. It loaded exactly where I left it and exactly where I paused it.
Whatever they're doing with the software is great and 4 gigs seems like more than enough.

On every phone I've owned I'm always most interested in performance so this is great to hear.
I know I'm going to be happy with the screen, I know I'm going to love the camera and I've already held the phone in a verizon store, so I know I love the look and feel. The performance seemed terrific in the store but I couldn't really put it through its paces so thanks for the update.
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I ran every single app on my phone back to back while setting up my 2XL. I have over 100 apps installed. At one point I needed to go back to play something I had left running on the Xfinity streaming app. When I used the app switcher, it was like I never unloaded the program, and I was something like 20-30 apps deep at that point. It loaded exactly where I left it and exactly where I paused it.
Whatever they're doing with the software is great and 4 gigs seems like more than enough.
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I have a OnePlus 3 I'm coming from and have literally never seen more than 4GB RAM in use

Yes l have a op5 yes l have 8GB of ram yes it's better than only 4GB of ram .
Hope this helps ?
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a g bell said:
Yes l have a op5 yes l have 8GB of ram yes it's better than only 4GB of ram .
Hope this helps
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How is it better? I have OP3 with 6GB and don't notice much of a difference with RAM on Nexus 6P already which has 3GB

I guess it just boggles my mind that 4gb can somehow not be "enough" on a phone today when 4gb can most definitely be "enough" when using a full desktop PC.
And yes I get it.....8gb is preferable on desktop PC's now. I understand. But if you ONLY used a desktop PC for the exact same things you use a phone for, 4gb is not an issue. At all.

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