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Apps Space Confusion!!!

Hi folks,
I thought this phone had like 500MB odd for apps storage?
I've just checked my space left on internal memory and its like 18MB.... thought this is strange.
Installed Linda File Manager, under Applications it says 133M / 147M - 90%
A big WTF???? What is going on here????
This is what I expected with my Hero, but the Desire? Something has to be wrong.

Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB

irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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Arf!!! Thought it would be more than that. Sheesh!!!
I have 150MB spare on my Hero.

I don't see a problem here. When I was still on G1, I had 256 MB partition for APPS2SD and I never went over 100 MB.
Of course, that depends on everyone's personal use case.

irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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I believe this is wrong although I've had very busy weekend and had no time to look into it.
I think android OS in the 512MB ROM. I think the reason the RAM is nearly full from the word go is that it is full of Sence UI and the apps that HTC has installed. Most of these can't be uninstalled, yet.

I'm confused: are we talking about ROM - where Android OS, Sense UI, apps, etc are stored, or RAM - "working" memory?
I also have ~100+ MB of RAM left and I totally forgot that total amount is over 500 MB.
But then coming back to G1, it had 192 MB of RAM and I never had more than 30 free.

So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.

Let's hope Android 2.2 or 3.0 supports Apps on SD and HTC will port it.
~100Mb Free Space only with preinstalled HTC Apps and Android is not very much

seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?

Arthur Hucksake said:
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
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No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM through any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)

cez10 said:
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)

farnsbarns said:
No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM though any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
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Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.

Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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What have you heard to suggest rooting is impossible?

Ok .. i was about to preorder Desire for myself.. but this thing holds me back a lil now.. whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..? sure once theres a chance to root your device u can get rid of this thing.. but what about ppl which wont root their device.. as im still not sure about root aswell..
PS: i always had just WinMo devices.. and im sick of it already.. especially after i saw WP7 i hate MS.. so android is the only way for me.. have to learn alot about this OS .. dont have it yet.. but already love it..

farnsbarns said:
In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
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whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
how big are the apps in average? 5mb? or more?

barakoas said:
whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..?
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With over 100Mb Free Space you should be able to install at least 30-50 Apps (or at least 10Games). Most Apps are <1Mbyte. (Biggest Software i know is Copilot takes ~ 10Mbytes)
Don't think that you get serious problems here.

Ok that sounds quite fair.. but still.. well im App/game maniac

cez10 said:
whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
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I agree there, you can't save apps on it, you can't install apps on it, so what the heck is benefit of having it in ur phone then, why Google won't give this feature/option 2 install on MemCard?
Or why the heck they don't make phones memory any bigger so that we don't have 2 worry about it.. I mean if they raise built-in memory to 1GB or big it's not gonna bring the price of phone 2 double, I guess it's gonna be only few quids more...

Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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It WILL be rooted, it's just a matter of time. Probably just days in fact, knowing all the talent round here!

well theres an option to wait on Samsung Galaxy S.. which will have 8Gig internal memory and lovely hardware specs.. but meh its samsung which have crappy UI and support.. grr there always must be some BUT...

Low space on internal storage

I have had the htc desire now for about 4days and only have a handfull of apps
360 live
batman soundboard
better keyboard
engadget
facebook
gallery
handcent sms
homerun 3d
imusic
last fm
monkey kickoff
voice search
had a few other games wich i delete but now i have no space left only got 16mb left where has all my memory gone any help would be nice

do you have a memory card in your phone they come with a 4 GB card i have around 50 apps and about 40 books and still have 3.6GB on the card and 50% of my phone memory see if your card is in right

Homerun 3d takes 20mb anyway, pretty big.
Also if you were installing the apps while the phone was connected to the PC it may have dismounted your SD card and installed everything on the phone memory?? Just a guess.

my memory card is in right i did have 48mb free installed asphalt 5 and idracula didnt like them unistalled them now i only have 20mb so strange desire need to get rooted asap

alginon1977 said:
do you have a memory card in your phone they come with a 4 GB card i have around 50 apps and about 40 books and still have 3.6GB on the card and 50% of my phone memory see if your card is in right
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Can you share with us how do you manage to install apps on sdcard ?

the phone is superb much better than iphone imho but just makes me angry having to factory reset every time i run out off memory hopefully gets sorted soon

Yea okay this is really annoying me now, i barely have any apps on my device besides google maps, facebook, aircontrol etc all under a couple of mb. I install raging thunder 2 which takes up more than 20mb of my internal storage and that's it, don't have room for anything else. This is REALLY stupid.
It is a massive issue for me as its a really great device, but you can only install a few apps at a time??? WTF????
It would be nice to install more than 1 3d game......

I noticed the same thing as the guys above. Can someone tell us how to install the APPs on the SD card that's in the phone??

From what I understand, apps2sd requires root access, which requires a root ;-)

funny or not, but i had more free mem to install aps on my old nokia e50 phone and all this talk about this issue here or basically on the net, it's just bad pr for google/andorid platform.
it's a lame limitation that at the end will be removed by google itself or by rooting the phone.
and for now... install astro file manager and backup unused apps on sd card. thanks to that you can have some apps installed in phone memory, ready for quick use, and many more backed up on sd card available with few clicks.

pelotasplus said:
funny or not, but i had more free mem to install aps on my old nokia e50 phone and all this talk about this issue here or basically on the net, it's just back pr for google/andorid platform.
it just a lame limitation that at the end will be removed by google itself or by rooting the phone.
and for now... install astro file manager and backup your unused apps on sd card. thanks to that you can have X apps installed in phone memory, ready for quick use, and many more backed up on sd card available with few clicks.
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how is this possible ? if you back them up are they going to be usable ??? i thought that you must restore them for been usable so you are where you were before!

lambrospower said:
how is this possible ? if you back them up are they going to be usable ??? i thought that you must restore them for been usable so you are where you were before!
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yep, you have to restore them, mentioned "few clicks". it's just a workaround till... tomorrow, as there are rumours that root for desire is comming (-;

pelotasplus said:
yep, you have to restore them, mentioned "few clicks". it's just a workaround till... tomorrow, as there are rumours that root for desire is comming (-;
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Coming apparently its here, were just awaiting the destructions now ))

Maybe a mass android users petition or something to google?
seems to me the only major downfall of this otherwise amazing device

No space

Friend of mines got a WildfireS but keep running out of space on it, theres not many apps installed and the 8Gb card is virtually empty.
I've moved the apps than can be to the SDCard but other than that I'm not really "up" with the phone.
Any ROM's or anything else I can do to improve the situation, its getting to the point where she wants to go back to her old Nokia :lol:

Trig0r said:
Friend of mines got a WildfireS but keep running out of space on it, theres not many apps installed and the 8Gb card is virtually empty.
I've moved the apps than can be to the SDCard but other than that I'm not really "up" with the phone.
Any ROM's or anything else I can do to improve the situation, its getting to the point where she wants to go back to her old Nokia :lol:
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A data2sd rom would be an option or link2sd. Look at the Index thread, there is a link2sd tutorial at the general guide section.

Will see if I can get the phone off her for a few days and give it a tweaking..

Moved the apps that would let me to the SDCard, its out of space again though, something wrong here surely, I know its a cheap device but really, this sucks balls..

Did you "get" more space?
Hi Trig0r,
I have that phone and the problem is that they took too much of the RAM for system files and other junk apps. Its supposed to have 500MB of ram, but we are only allowed about 120MB to install apss.. I rooted my phone and got about 40MB more of memory. Good luck getting space for your friend's phone.
V/R
PV

Trig0r said:
Friend of mines got a WildfireS but keep running out of space on it, theres not many apps installed and the 8Gb card is virtually empty.
I've moved the apps than can be to the SDCard but other than that I'm not really "up" with the phone.
Any ROM's or anything else I can do to improve the situation, its getting to the point where she wants to go back to her old Nokia :lol:
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best bet is to root and install link2sd if possible. i've done this on VM USA, and after removing the crap apps that came on the phone, i have almost 60 apps installed and have 43.08mb free on internal.

Back on this phone again, its running
2.3.3
2.1
1.33.206.5
Gonna see if I can have it for a few days.

Got it now, ota'd to 2.3.5 still sucks balls, gonna drop a custom on it if I can get an unlocked bootloader..
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pedro.velez said:
Hi Trig0r,
I have that phone and the problem is that they took too much of the RAM for system files and other junk apps. Its supposed to have 500MB of ram, but we are only allowed about 120MB to install apss.. I rooted my phone and got about 40MB more of memory. Good luck getting space for your friend's phone.
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PV
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ROM, not RAM...

I have the exact same problem on stock...can you please tell me the most stable sense rom with link2sd built in?

[Q] Few Questions before buying the phone

I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?

rangeela2331 said:
I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?
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1. (My last phone was a Desire) The speaker is A LOT better, it sounds even better then the speakers in my laptop.
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
3. Through Dropbox is the easiest way, you get 25 GB free storage which makes transfering files very easy to do. (And if 25 isn't enouf you can always buy more/also use Box which offers another free 50 GB.) USB transfer also works, but believe me once you get used to Dropbox you don't want anything els. When I take a picture on my phone it is a few seconds later already on my Dropbox account available for all my other devices.

Thanks.

H-Cim said:
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
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I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.

psinno said:
I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.
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Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?

rangeela2331 said:
Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?
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I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
PS2: Since all the storage is located on one physical storage unit (as far as I know?) I think devs might be able to make the 2GB partition a 10 (or any number) GB partition. But you better ask this to a real developper.

H-Cim said:
I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
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Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.

psinno said:
Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.
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Yeah I had that same problem with the Desire, some apps didn't work after moving them to SD. But I think app-devs will start optimizing this, apps become larger and pretty much every phone has very limited memory (without the SD-Card).
+ I'm pretty sure Devs can make the 2GB partition larger, if you root the device and use a costum rom that is.

[Q] How to transfer apps 2 sd on Galaxy S3?

I just upgraded from the S2 and on that phone it was possible to have apps on SD card.. But on my S3 there is option in settings at all.. Does anyone know a way to do this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

pinkcandygirlx said:
I just upgraded from the S2 and on that phone it was possible to have apps on SD card.. But on my S3 there is option in settings at all.. Does anyone know a way to do this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Yup no longer an option while stock. Have a read here to see if this is something you may be interested in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849861

evoer said:
Yup no longer an option while stock. Have a read here to see if this is something you may be interested in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849861
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Oh root is the only option to fix it? I'm kinda afraid to void my warranty

Don't be scared... come on over to the dark side. Seriously though, do some reading to see if it is for you. There are ways to root and unroot, this might be a good place to start looking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726558

evoer said:
Don't be scared... come on over to the dark side. Seriously though, do some reading to see if it is for you. There are ways to root and unroot, this might be a good place to start looking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726558
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YES! Come join us on the root side, everything is better XD
Additionally to evoer's suggestion, you can also check Link2Sd which is a free app that allows you to move selected apps to the extSdcard. Root is also need for this app to work, so yeah root it! You must partition your sd to have one part FAT32 and one part ext4 partition. There are free apps for that floating around that'll work on PC, not sure if the current custom recoveries have this integrated. I know back in the EVO OG days we were able to partition directly in recovery.
Warning - before partitioning, you must back up everything in the sdcard to you PC since this will format you sdcard.
As for rooting, if you take that road, go this thread found in the Android Development section. It's a tool created by Senior moderator/Recognized developer mskip. Read through the OP and some pages before attempting this. But this is on of the most straight forward and easiest methods available.

Really good instructions too
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5idWFrLkxpbmsyU0QiXQ..

I can look into this but let a pro root it if thats what i decide to do. Thanks
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I dont know bout the Dark Side, but the Rooted side definietly!!!, It isnt hard to root and flash roms, just takes careful reading thats all.
Im now sporting my new GS3 16 gig using Phantoms Blaze Rom with the extsd2internalsd GS3 64g class10 mobile, internal 16 gig ext.
worked like a charm. Their are some issues where some apps install the app and data into the real internal memory but noting too big, Atleast thats the prob im having. Good thing i didnt spent 400 bucks for the 64 GS3 im a happy camper with this mod.

pinkcandygirlx said:
I can look into this but let a pro root it if thats what i decide to do. Thanks
Sent from my SPH-L710 using xda app-developers app
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Just my opinion but if you choose to root it, do it yourself. That way if anything ever does mess up, you can figure out how to fix it on your own instead of going on one of the forums saying "help my friend rooted my phone and now everything is force closing, what do I do?!?".
It really isn't as complicated as it seems, so long as you follow all instructions and there are many here to help of you get stuck and can't find a solution to a problem. However, a decision only you can make if it is worth it. There is always a small chance of a brick. I've done it before but only cause I was a idiot and flashed an international s3 version ROM when rooting my Sprint galaxy s3
I rooted my LG optimus way back so that I could remove T-Mobile bloatware since the phone was crap anyway. Since then, I always root and have become a flashaholic (although wicked sensations v1.1 is keeping me grounded for a bit ). I'm slowly learning thanks to all the great info here, I was all proud of myself for modifying my mms.apk last week and recompiling it with no issues I still have way more to learn but once you start it is like an addiction. Lol.
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Solution
GL to SD ( playstore )

evoer said:
Yup no longer an option while stock. Have a read here to see if this is something you may be interested in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1849861
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Worked like a charm..!!! Good lookin out..!:laugh:

pinkcandygirlx said:
I just upgraded from the S2 and on that phone it was possible to have apps on SD card.. But on my S3 there is option in settings at all.. Does anyone know a way to do this? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Pardon my ignorance but why would you need to move any apps 2 sd card? I mean I have a S3 16GB with a 32GB card added to it and I have about 70+ apps installed on the 16GB card and I still haven't reached 50% of the memory on the phone....

CR1T1C4L718 said:
Pardon my ignorance but why would you need to move any apps 2 sd card? I mean I have a S3 16GB with a 32GB card added to it and I have about 70+ apps installed on the 16GB card and I still haven't reached 50% of the memory on the phone....
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Games and such take up a ton of space. For example NOVA 2 downloads 2 GB of content. Theres also music, videos, etc
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CNexus said:
Games and such take up a ton of space. For example NOVA 2 downloads 2 GB of content. Theres also music, videos, etc
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I don't think there is any need for these kinds off apps/hacks anymore. The original EVO and other androids had horrible memory issues. They were trying to get by with 512MB to 1GB for both the system files and the apps. The big apps like NOVA etc only have a small piece on the ROM portion of the memory. The rest is on the internal or external SD card. So there's no need.
Granted I have the 32GB version with an additional 3GB SD card only because I had it from my EVO days. Most people don't need that much space.

Jimmy_Jo said:
I don't think there is any need for these kinds off apps/hacks anymore. The original EVO and other androids had horrible memory issues. They were trying to get by with 512MB to 1GB for both the system files and the apps. The big apps like NOVA etc only have a small piece on the ROM portion of the memory. The rest is on the internal or external SD card. So there's no need.
Granted I have the 32GB version with an additional 3GB SD card only because I had it from my EVO days. Most people don't need that much space.
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Using Link2SD, I get a failure to move due to insufficient space. I have a 16gb SD, with 14gb allotted to FAT32 and 2GB allotted to ext2. Any ideas?

workingmomjd said:
Using Link2SD, I get a failure to move due to insufficient space. I have a 16gb SD, with 14gb allotted to FAT32 and 2GB allotted to ext2. Any ideas?
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Right now CyanogenMod is giving me problems. The "best" app Link2SD won't work. It says it will not work with my device. Maybe i'll downgrade to stable cm 10...

Jimmy_Jo said:
I don't think there is any need for these kinds off apps/hacks anymore. The original EVO and other androids had horrible memory issues. They were trying to get by with 512MB to 1GB for both the system files and the apps. The big apps like NOVA etc only have a small piece on the ROM portion of the memory. The rest is on the internal or external SD card. So there's no need.
Granted I have the 32GB version with an additional 3GB SD card only because I had it from my EVO days. Most people don't need that much space.
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Nandroids and roms also take up a lot of space, and some apps save enourmous amounts of data as well, cache is also another biggy
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