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Low on space - Phone Storage space is getting low

Somehow my space on my phone is very low. I started getting the messages this morning. I wouldn't say that I have a load of applications. No more than I had on my HTC Magic...Is this too much for it to handle?
Here goes;
2010 World Cup
Air Control
AppAware
Astro
Barcode Scanner
BBC News
BeebPlayer
DishPointer Pro
Droidbox Free
Earth
Engadget
F1Android 2010
Facebook
Foursquare
Fring
Gesture Search
Google Sky Map
Hoccer
iGo
KeePassDroid
Listen
Lookout
MapDroyd
Maps
Nimbuzz
Pkt Auctions eBay
Qik
Shareprice
Shazaam
Sky News
Soccer Livescores
Torrent-fu
Twitroid
UK TV Guide
Wave Secure
Zedge
What are my options?

1. Clear cache;
2. Remove some apps;
3. Wait for root + custom ROMs with APPS2SD

I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT

I have removed Google earth as it was taking up nearly 22MB which in the grand scheme of things seems to be load of space....

I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.

Jabbypants said:
I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.
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...or just allow for apps to be installed on a memory card from the first place
Seems like that they [Android OS] have realised that without doing so, they will not be able to have storage hungry things such as games to be installed.

36 as I counted, is normal IMO. But yeah, I really hope that you will be able to install applications on your SD card in the future. Not that I want more apps, but I want BETTER apps (which means they will be more MB's). I remember downloading games for the iPod touch that were over 100 MB. They were also off very high quality.
About not allowing installing apps to SD card: I think the reason why it is not allowed is the following.. if you can install something to your SD card, you can easily share it with other over the internet, right? That will mean people will start downloading apps the 'dirty' way! That's the only reason I see.
But Google is very smart and so far keeps giving everybody what they want. I am sure they will find a solution!

gogol said:
I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT
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When you use apps, it stores some files in memory for quicker access later. Downside of it is that it takes-up space. Normally you would not want to clear cache that often, but if you're running out of space it helps.
Unfortunately you can only clear cache for each app one-by-one, but here's an app that might make the process easier http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.cerisierbleu.qac

You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?

Raminder1992 said:
You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?
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No, you can't put apps on memory card until we have root and get to use cool ROMs like CyanogenMod.
Or until Google adds official support for apps2sd, but I can bet you that root will come first.

the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section

I also got low memory on my G1 with Apps2sd. That's because every app stores stuff on the internal memory, the browser cache, google maps cache and so on. My experience showed me that these things are the real memory killer.

cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.

deprecate said:
Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.
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right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|

cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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I thought it was due to the fact that the paid apps wouldn't be secure on the sd card, opening the gate further for app piracy and thus they were working on a solution to allow copy protection on the sd card.

I think this issue just turned me off the Desire and now I'm leaning towards the Nexus 1. I like to install plenty of apps so this could be a real issue for me

All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.

cez10 said:
right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
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not sure to be honest. I would assume that you will be able to mount your sd card and copy all of the contents off the secured/encrypted partition if your machine recognizes that partition type...then again, maybe you won't be able to.
If you upgrade sd cards, you may have to start all over with installing to the sd card. Good question.
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
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the iphone is popular for lots of reasons; app support being at the top...but I would imagine the viral advertising and the "everyone has it" thing doesn't hurt.
Funnily enough, Android is almost on as many mobile devices as iphoneOS (according to an admob metric report). So the "everyone has it" argument is about to become a moot point.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|
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people want what they know, what they see, what they hear is the best...apple has done an amazing job doing this with their products.

Jabbypants said:
All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.
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more than 10 apps? Are you trolling?

Don't think i have even got 10 on mine atm and can't think i ever had more on any Android i had so far, hero/milestone.

Google Earth

I tried to install google earth the nexus one version on the desire, as they are the same insides i thought this would not be a problem.
I get an error message that: not enough memory to install, but i have over 2gig free on the sd card?
I also tried to install the text to voice data same error not enough memory.
So my question is are we limited to installing apps on to the memory that is on the hard wired into the phone?
I thought we could load as many appz as we wanted because we have sd cards?
Rod

Rod,
On unmodified Android phones, apps *never* install on the SD card, but to the internal memory of the phone. The only way (currently) to get apps on the SD card is to install a custom ROM that includes "APPS2SD" functionality. Right now, there are no such ROMs available for the Desire.
John

Thats a real bummer, as we are limited to how many appz to install by the phones memory? unlike the iphone, but the iphone i had did have 32 gig of memory, i think this is a real weak point with android. what a shame.
something i noted is that when i install appz and uninstall them i dont get the full memory back is this normal?

Forget pinkness and not being able to see the screen in strong daylight. The only real weakness of the HTC Desire is not being able to install apps. onto the SD card. Hopefully this facility will be added shortly by HTC, if not we will have to rely on the genius of the "XDA Developers" to come up with a way of implementing it.

yeah for me this is the major / biggest problem right now.

[Q] How much internal storage space do you have?

I have only 40mb free internal, yet I don't have many apps at all.
Twitter takes up 10mb, maps takes up about the same, FB the same. Contacts storage takes up 17mb. so already almost 100mb used?!
Is this normal? On 2.1 eclair I think I had 90mb free. does this space affect phone speed or only app storage?
cheers
P.S. I have moved some apps to SD when the option was available in "manage application" only 3 megs of apps moved over though.

28mb internal storage free.
I also moved everything possible to SD when it became available.
I had to uninstall flash player update because I went down to about 15mb

thanks for your reply Lothaen. I guess it's kinda the "normal situation" then. A pity they just couldn't have included 1gig internal for all this stuff.

mcgon1979 said:
thanks for your reply Lothaen. I guess it's kinda the "normal situation" then. A pity they just couldn't have included 1gig internal for all this stuff.
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i have 56.45mb and have 200-300 apps, 5 gameloft games at 10-15mb each, nfs shift at 30mbs rockplayer universal at 12mbs and lots more lol use apps2sd+ duuuude lol

Yes but then they wouldn't have had much left to offer for the desire hd xD Well at least they show that they are learning for those mistakes, but i myself just use old a2sd+ and i have no problems concerning space what so ever.
75.6 mb. free space and i install an app every time i feel like it without considering the space. Atm. i have around 80 apps installed and google earth + maps is some of them

cheers guys. I'll look up this apps2sd+. I guess apps to SD didn't really come with Froyo causeI only had the option to put 3 apps there. I was under the impression we could put anything on the SD. I guess it's this apps2sd+ thing I need to educate myself about.
thanks

I got my Desire shipped with 2.2.
When I try to export programs over to the SD card, they are greyed out. Is there any reason for that? Or how can I move them?
It is a little frustrating not having a lot of internal memory to work with. I thought with 2.2 you could move programs over to the SD card ???????

Cpt_Chaos said:
I got my Desire shipped with 2.2.
When I try to export programs over to the SD card, they are greyed out. Is there any reason for that? Or how can I move them?
It is a little frustrating not having a lot of internal memory to work with. I thought with 2.2 you could move programs over to the SD card ???????
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With the Google A2SD you can only move apps over if the developer has enabled it for A2SD. Otherwise you get a greyed out button.
If you want more space then rooting and going for a custom ROM with A2SD+ is the way to go.
As for the OP, Facebook is on the Desire so isn't part of the storage you install to unless you're still on Android 2.1 and you're on about the update.

I'm starting to not like this phone

It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.

App2SD? Clear cache?

So, youre complaining about an issue that everyone on any Android has if they havent rooted?

Upgrade to Froyo
Move Apllication´s to SD
be happy

It's the biggest problem on all android phones. It's being fixed (if you have group 2.2 youll notice an improvement). But the best solution so far seems to be root. Read into it, and Google things like apps2sd.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

pramitroy said:
Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Then Root your phone and use apps2sd!
Make a 1 gig ext3 partition and you have lots of space!

Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty

EddyOS said:
Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty
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Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.
rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.

phentex said:
Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.
rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.
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Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??
**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw

EddyOS said:
Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??
**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw
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No no, please don't give Apple credit, Iphone have loads more internal memory than any android device which relies on "external" SD storage. If iphones worked the same way, this limitation would be advertised as a freaking "feature"
Ok so we shouldn't HAVE to do it, but I fully understand Google taking time to think things out. Just plainly installing on the SDcard (i.e. copying apk packages) with no piracy preventing measures is not viable. The froyo way is already a nice step forward. If you want full control, well at least you DO get the opportunity to take full control of your phone through rooting and apps2sd.
Please don't compare to iphone which still doesn't even know what file browsing is

That's what I meant about the iPhone doing it, Apple got it right by cramming the iPhone with internal memory!!! HTC could've easily done the same
Agree with the 'feature' pun, though

Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?
Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.
Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.

Hey dude,
I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...
Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.
Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...

Sibbi said:
Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?
Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.
Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.
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HTC's Quietly Brilliant Contacts management downloads your friend's Google pictures, Facebook pictures and Twitter pictures. Ta-da, magically lost memory.
kalfou said:
Hey dude,
I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...
Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.
Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...
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Totally agree that you shouldn't just root without understanding the whole process and what it means. I was troubleshooting two other users that nearly bricked their Desires by rooting improperly.
But back to the OP's comments, I was like him. I rooted because I was running out of space to install apps

same here i struggled with performance when my internal got full even with force 2 SD
i finally gave up and rooted my device, never looked back
a reminder: if you want to root and install a2sd make sure it's done with a full wipe

rpimps said:
It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.
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Still and always will be better than a iPhone so be happy
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!

Dya know what gets to me? Idiots that spend hundreds of pounds on a device without even researching the device specification, only to end up creating pointless threads, not because there is anything wrong with the device just because they didnt educate themselves about what they were about to buy, any google search will show the desire has a total rom of 500mb, knowing that the system, cache, radio and recovery partitions were going to take a sizeable chunk of that, i fully expected about 150mb of internal storage so i wasnt disapointed
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Rizla-xda said:
The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!
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Well that was a fail of a statement. It sucks because of no micro SD card...I'd rather have internal memory as it's quicker to access anyway. One reason why HD videos on the iPhone are so good. But in the end they are both phones nothing to argue over. Both have good and bad points it's all opinion.

[Q] Few Questions before buying the phone

I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?

rangeela2331 said:
I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?
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1. (My last phone was a Desire) The speaker is A LOT better, it sounds even better then the speakers in my laptop.
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
3. Through Dropbox is the easiest way, you get 25 GB free storage which makes transfering files very easy to do. (And if 25 isn't enouf you can always buy more/also use Box which offers another free 50 GB.) USB transfer also works, but believe me once you get used to Dropbox you don't want anything els. When I take a picture on my phone it is a few seconds later already on my Dropbox account available for all my other devices.

Thanks.

H-Cim said:
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
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I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.

psinno said:
I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.
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Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?

rangeela2331 said:
Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?
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I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
PS2: Since all the storage is located on one physical storage unit (as far as I know?) I think devs might be able to make the 2GB partition a 10 (or any number) GB partition. But you better ask this to a real developper.

H-Cim said:
I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
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Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.

psinno said:
Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.
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Yeah I had that same problem with the Desire, some apps didn't work after moving them to SD. But I think app-devs will start optimizing this, apps become larger and pretty much every phone has very limited memory (without the SD-Card).
+ I'm pretty sure Devs can make the 2GB partition larger, if you root the device and use a costum rom that is.