FIX HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64932229&postcount=11
Got a dev edition phone.
Absolutely F'ing HATE(!!!) Sense and can't even tell if the phone is working properly with all the HTC crap.
Therefore: I want to install a custom AOSP/CM ROM.
1. Bootloader is unlocked as far as I can tell:
*** UNLOCKED ***
htc_himaulatt PVT S-ON
LK-1.0.0.000
RADIO-01.01_U11440792_97.00.51203G_F
OpenDSP-15.6.1.00522.8994_1026
OS-3.36.617.12
Dec 16 2015,15:16:29(669696)
2. Installed TWRP (works fine and can boot into it)
3. Install SuperSU 2.49 (TWRP never asked me though)
4. Backup
5. Reboot
... and now the phone first shows HTC, then HTC One, and then it is stuck on the HTC One logo ... gets really hot and just sits there doing nothing.
6. Tried installing CandySix (don't want the #@$%#@$% stock ROM anyhow):
- wipe dalvik, cache, system, factory reset
- install ROM
- install GAPPS
7. Reboot
... and now the phone first shows HTC, then HTC One, and then it is stuck on the HTC One logo ... gets really hot and just sits there doing nothing.
8. Restore Backup
... and now the phone first shows HTC, then HTC One, and then it is stuck on the HTC One logo ... gets really hot and just sits there doing nothing.
WTF?
I am starting to already dislike this piece of junk.
How can I fix this?
And BTW, what is that BS with S-OFF suddenly costing money and a developer phone not being S-OFF already?
Did you use TWRP 2.8.7.1-CPTB-Beta-1? Did you not allow TWRP to root the rom when you exited it?
I assume your backup doesn't work because you used the wrong SuperSU version. You can only root Android M with SuperSU 2.64 or 2.65. (Keyword: system-less root)
The dev phone never was S-OFF. It's defined by the pre-unlocked bootloader. And Sunshine costs money because of all the investments the devs had. But if you have a problem with that you can develope your own S-OFF method and contribute it for free or you can talk to the Sunshine devs in their thread. I know that they're willing to make Sunshine a free app if someone takes over all the costs they're facing.
Flippy498 said:
Did you use TWRP 2.8.7.1-CPTB-Beta-1? Did you not allow TWRP to root the rom when you exited it?
I assume your backup doesn't work because you used the wrong SuperSU version. You can only root Android M with SuperSU 2.64 or 2.65. (Keyword: system-less root)
The dev phone never was S-OFF. It's defined by the pre-unlocked bootloader. And Sunshine costs money because of all the investments the devs had. But if you have a problem with that you can develope your own S-OFF method and contribute it for free or you can talk to the Sunshine devs in their thread. I know that they're willing to make Sunshine a free app if someone takes over all the costs they're facing.
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TWRP never asked me about rooting.
Installed SuperSU version 2.49 since I saw that being recommended (downloaded through the Toolkit).
So how do I fix this?
I seem to be unable to boot into the stock/backup nor a flashed ROM. WTF?
If I had known this BS about S-OFF I would have stuck to my mantra to never buy another HTC phone. Seems like I was right. This is such BS. Plenty of devs risk (lose) devices to development.
I have donated before but charging for something like this is just low!
andTab said:
TWRP never asked me about rooting.
Installed SuperSU version 2.49 since I saw that being recommended (downloaded through the Toolkit).
So how do I fix this?
I seem to be unable to boot into the stock/backup nor a flashed ROM. WTF?
If I had known this BS about S-OFF I would have stuck to my mantra to never buy another HTC phone. Seems like I was right. This is such BS. Plenty of devs risk (lose) devices to development.
I have donated before but charging for something like this is just low!
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That's why I reccomend not using toolkits. Version 2.49 is perfect for Lollipop but not for Marshmallow. I assume the toolkit developer didn't update it in a while. Besides you still didn't answer my question about the installed TWRP version.
Take a look at my thread. There you will find a stock backup for your version. Instructions how to correctly restore it can be found in my google sheet which is linked in the 5th post of that thread and in my signature.
As said before go and talk to the Sunshine devs this is not the right place for this topic. I'm sure that they will explain their reasons to you because you're not the first who has a problem with that decision. S-OFF is not needed if you want to use a HTC phone. Their devices do work perfectly fine without it and there is no basic right for a free S-OFF method. So please stop that topic in this forum because it has been discussed numerous times and it's getting exhausting and annoying.
Flippy498 said:
That's why I reccomend not using toolkits. Version 2.49 is perfect for Lollipop but not for Marshmallow. I assume the toolkit developer didn't update it in a while. Besides you still didn't answer my question about the installed TWRP version.
Take a look at my thread. There you will find a stock backup for your version. Instructions how to correctly restore it can be found in my google sheet which is linked in the 5th post of that thread and in my signature.
As said before go and talk to the Sunshine devs this is not the right place for this topic. I'm sure that they will explain their reasons to you because you're not the first who has a problem with that decision. S-OFF is not needed if you want to use a HTC phone. Their devices do work perfectly fine without it and there is no basic right for a free S-OFF method. So please stop that topic in this forum because it has been discussed numerous times and it's getting exhausting and annoying.
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Thank you.
Was able to flash the RUU for the dev version with your guide.
Sorry after just spending extra money on getting a dev version of the phone, I am expecting (I think rightfully so) that I can flash ROMs without spending even MORE money.
This feels like a total RIPOFF, especially given that this used to be free.
andTab said:
And BTW, what is that BS with S-OFF suddenly costing money and a developer phone not being S-OFF already?
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Developer phones were never s-off, never have been. M9 s-off has never been free, but you know you can make a free one.
Oh, I totally forgot that there is a RUU for your version, too. :silly:
Flippy498 said:
Oh, I totally forgot that there is a RUU for your version, too. :silly:
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Yup. That worked. Thank you!
Just can't install any custom ROMs apparently without paying even more for my "developer" phone.
WTF is the point if the developer phone doesn't allow you to flash ROMs?
I answered to your post in the other thread.
andTab said:
Yup. That worked. Thank you!
Just can't install any custom ROMs apparently without paying even more for my "developer" phone.
WTF is the point if the developer phone doesn't allow you to flash ROMs?
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Rather than complaining, maybe it would be worthwhile to actually read up on what the developer version of the M9 is, and what you are able to do with S-ON, and what you are not able do. jcase and Flippy498 has pretty much explained most of it for you already.
jcase said:
Developer phones were never s-off, never have been. M9 s-off has never been free, but you know you can make a free one.
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So after playing around with any possible combination of flashing, here is the fix:
1. Flash the ROM
2. Flash Gapps
3. Flash a Kernel!!!!!!
Without #3, no ROM worked for me on S-ON.
So: should I have charged for this bit of troubleshooting like the sunshine devs? I wasted probably close to 15 hours on this. Since you are so concerned about justifying the efforts of people (and their right to pay for it), how about sending me $25 so that I can pay for S-OFF?
andTab said:
So after playing around with any possible combination of flashing, here is the fix:
1. Flash the ROM
2. Flash Gapps
3. Flash a Kernel!!!!!!
Without #3, no ROM worked for me on S-ON.
So: should I have charged for this bit of troubleshooting like the sunshine devs? I wasted probably close to 15 hours on this. Since you are so concerned about justifying the efforts of people (and their right to pay for it), how about sending me $25 so that I can pay for S-OFF?
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If you spent $10,000s and years of your life to research and develop it, yes by all means charge for it. Why should I pay for you to have s-off? Here is an idea, why dont you develop a solution for free and release it to everyone?
I am a one of the SunShine developers, I am one of the guys that spent years of time, and way too much of my money to develop it.
jcase said:
If you spent $10,000s and years of your life to research and develop it, yes by all means charge for it. Why should I pay for you to have s-off? Here is an idea, why dont you develop a solution for free and release it to everyone?
I am a one of the SunShine developers, I am one of the guys that spent years of time, and way too much of my money to develop it.
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I know you are one of the devs and I appreciate your talent.
I am not a developer, so I obviously can't come up with an alternative.
I do see this as a hobby, so I am happy to donate my time and help to others on XDA.
Unlike you, I also provide free advice and help to people in my profession, even if I could charge for it and even though it took me years and more than $10k to gain that ability to give advice (though, the people asking for it would often not be able to afford said advice).
I guess you and I just have a different moral compass ...
andTab said:
I know you are one of the devs and I appreciate your talent.
I am not a developer, so I obviously can't come up with an alternative.
I do see this as a hobby, so I am happy to donate my time and help to others on XDA.
Unlike you, I also provide free advice and help to people in my profession, even if I could charge for it and even though it took me years and more than $10k to gain that ability to give advice (though, the people asking for it would often not be able to afford said advice).
I guess you and I just have a different moral compass ...
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I'm willing to release for free, if you want to take financial responsibility for the project.
My morals are that I should pay for my own, and shouldn't act entitled and demand others pay for my wants.
andTab said:
I know you are one of the devs and I appreciate your talent.
I am not a developer, so I obviously can't come up with an alternative.
I do see this as a hobby, so I am happy to donate my time and help to others on XDA.
Unlike you, I also provide free advice and help to people in my profession, even if I could charge for it and even though it took me years and more than $10k to gain that ability to give advice (though, the people asking for it would often not be able to afford said advice).
I guess you and I just have a different moral compass ...
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It looks like this thread has run its course.
Bottom line:
If you want S-OFF, pay for it. (It's only a small fraction of the cost of the M9.) If you don't want it, then don't. S-OFF isn't needed to flash ROMs and you are certainly not entitled to it, particularly for free.
Next time, before purchasing a device, verify that it comes the way you want it -- don't assume. Generally speaking, HTC devices have never shipped S-OFF, be they developer editions, unlocked editions or carrier versions.
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I'm currently on 4.4.2 my bootloader is unlocked and S-ON , I've TWRP and SuperSU install can i flash custom and stock ROMs from TWRP or do i need to S-OFF my device first to install ROMs if so how to S-OFF as the ADB i install doesnt work on my windows which is 8.1 as well as on my other laptop which is running windows 7, whenever i try to start adb the command prompt windows starts n then closes without giving any error.
HELP
Azroid said:
I'm currently on 4.4.2 my bootloader is unlocked and S-ON , I've TWRP and SuperSU install can i flash custom and stock ROMs from TWRP or do i need to S-OFF my device first to install ROMs if so how to S-OFF as the ADB i install doesnt work on my windows which is 8.1 as well as on my other laptop which is running windows 7, whenever i try to start adb the command prompt windows starts n then closes without giving any error.
HELP
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You can flash ROMs, but only 4.4.2 based ones as you have old firmware. It will break your wifi if you try to flash 4.4.3/4.4.4 Roms.
First use this guide to get ADB working on windows 8.1
Then get Sunshine S-Off. You'll need it to update your firmware to run newer 4.4.4 ROMs, and can only do that with an OTA or S-Off. You can find it with Google. It cost $25, but is totally worth it. And if it doesn't work, you don't pay.
After that, update your firmware. If you need help with that, quote me here with a reply, and I'll help to guide you along.
xunholyx said:
You can flash ROMs, but only 4.4.2 based ones as you have old firmware. It will break your wifi if you try to flash 4.4.3/4.4.4 Roms.
First use this guide to get ADB working on windows 8.1
Then get Sunshine S-Off. You'll need it to update your firmware to run newer 4.4.4 ROMs, and can only do that with an OTA or S-Off. You can find it with Google. It cost $25, but is totally worth it. And if it doesn't work, you don't pay.
After that, update your firmware. If you need help with that, quote me here with a reply, and I'll help to guide you along.
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The thing is whats the point of having an android if i have to pay for a certain thing
when i bought my phone its bootloader was unlocked and the S-ON had a TWRP installed in it, clearly shows the previous owner effed it up i've no idea why.I'd try to make my adb work first if it works there is another way to S-OFF something called waterwork dont know for sure it require adb to work if there is anything else u can share to help I'd be thankful
Azroid said:
The thing is what the point of having an android if i have to pay for a certain thing
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Maybe the developers felt the same way. What's the point of spending countless hours and many bricked devices(thousands of dollars) to give S-OFF to people that probably don't even know what to do with it, for free ?
Azroid said:
The thing is what the point of having an android if i have to pay for a certain thing
when i bought my phone its bootloader was unlocked and the S-ON had a TWRP installed in it, clearly shows the previous owner effed it up i've no idea why.I'd try to make my adb work first if it works there is another way to S-OFF something walled waterwork dont know for sure it require adb to work if there is anything else u can share to help I'd be thankful
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You have two choices that I know of. Pay $25, or remain S-On. The choice is yours.
HTC patched the Firewater exploit, so it won't work. Sunshine is made by the same team, and with all the time and effort they put into it, $25 isn't too much to ask for.
But there is a way to get it for free, you are correct.
Find the exploits on your own and develop your own S-Off method.
BerndM14 said:
Maybe the developers felt the same way. What's the point of spending countless hours and many bricked devices(thousands of dollars) to give S-OFF to people that probably don't even know what to do with it, for free ?
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Calm down i just wrote in a fun way
xunholyx said:
You have two choices that I know of. Pay $25, or remain S-On. The choice is yours.
HTC patched the Firewater exploit, so it won't work. Sunshine is made by the same team, and with all the time and effort they put into it, $25 isn't too much to ask for.
But there is a way to get it for free, you are correct.
Find the exploits on your own and develop your own S-Off method.
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Thanks to u the adb is working on my laptop still whats the use of it as firewater method won't work
Azroid said:
Thanks to u the adb is working on my laptop still whats the use of it as firewater method won't work
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Are you kidding? You don't NEED s-off, so don't get it. Stick with the 4.4.2 ROMs. Or, pony up the money, stop being so cheap, and run the newest ROMs. It's really that simple.
If you expect people to work for you for free, then come over to my place. I have some leaves that need raking, and I expect to pay you nothing to do it..
Anyways, I'm glad you got ADB working. :good:
xunholyx said:
Are you kidding? You don't NEED s-off, so don't get it. Stick with the 4.4.2 ROMs. Or, pony up the money, stop being so cheap, and run the newest ROMs. It's really that simple.
If you expect people to work for you for free, then come over to my place. I have some leaves that need raking, and I expect to pay you nothing to do it..
Anyways, I'm glad you got ADB working. :good:
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Calm down saying this once again need help not here for ur lectures, if u dont want to help then please dont reply and be careful with the words u use.
Azroid said:
Calm down saying this once again need help not here for ur lectures, if u dont want to help then please dont reply and be careful with the words u use.
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I did help you. You have two choices. Pay or stay S-On. It's as simple as that.
xunholyx said:
I did help you. You have two choices. Pay or stay S-On. It's as simple as that.
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And i thanked you for that it really worked i've been tryin to do that since 6 hours and i appreciate your help but my friend u got to use your words wisely thats what i said
Azroid said:
The thing is whats the point of having an android if i have to pay for a certain thing
when i bought my phone its bootloader was unlocked and the S-ON had a TWRP installed in it, clearly shows the previous owner effed it up i've no idea why.I'd try to make my adb work first if it works there is another way to S-OFF something called waterwork dont know for sure it require adb to work if there is anything else u can share to help I'd be thankful
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I copied and pasted this from Sunshine's website. Maybe it will help you understand why it isn't free:
"Simply put, it isn't free. SunShine is the cumulation of years of research, hundreds of hours of development, the sacrifice of many devices (R.I.P. bricked test phones), and the blood, sweat and tears of multiple developers. Just like how a mechanic charges money for his time souping up your car, the only feasible way to devote the time and energy to this is to charge for it. The income from SunShine allows us to recoup the time lost from other projects, to invest more time into research and development of new solutions, purchase new test hardware, and to allow us to enjoy a few bottles of wine at the end of a hard week.
Well crud, how much are you asking for?
The initial price of SunShine is set at $25.00usd per device, payable via paypal or credit-card from within the application itself. Our hopes are that SunShine is successful enough to allow us to find or purchase vulnerabilities, and to develop future solutions at lower prices. If you want to see additional payment options become available, let us know in support!
Are you crazy $25?!?
You may be right. We may be crazy. Considering our costs to develop SunShine, we feel we are justified. Most of our customers purchased heavily subsidized devices, instead of opting for a more developer friendly product. SunShine solves that situation, at a much lower cost than purchasing a developer device."
xunholyx said:
I copied and pasted this from Sunshine's website. Maybe it will help you understand why it isn't free:
"Simply put, it isn't free. SunShine is the cumulation of years of research, hundreds of hours of development, the sacrifice of many devices (R.I.P. bricked test phones), and the blood, sweat and tears of multiple developers. Just like how a mechanic charges money for his time souping up your car, the only feasible way to devote the time and energy to this is to charge for it. The income from SunShine allows us to recoup the time lost from other projects, to invest more time into research and development of new solutions, purchase new test hardware, and to allow us to enjoy a few bottles of wine at the end of a hard week.
Well crud, how much are you asking for?
The initial price of SunShine is set at $25.00usd per device, payable via paypal or credit-card from within the application itself. Our hopes are that SunShine is successful enough to allow us to find or purchase vulnerabilities, and to develop future solutions at lower prices. If you want to see additional payment options become available, let us know in support!
Are you crazy $25?!?
You may be right. We may be crazy. Considering our costs to develop SunShine, we feel we are justified. Most of our customers purchased heavily subsidized devices, instead of opting for a more developer friendly product. SunShine solves that situation, at a much lower cost than purchasing a developer device."
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Yes i checked the website but what i want is a stock HTC ONE M8 ROM i really dont wanna install the custom ROMs what i want is to get the stock HTC ROM with the OTA support.
Azroid said:
Yes i checked the website but what i want is a stock HTC ONE M8 ROM i really dont wanna install the custom ROMs what i want is to get the stock HTC ROM with the OTA support.
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If that's what you want, then I can help you there.
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376"]Go here[/URL] for a collection of stock ROMs and recoveries. (You'll also need stock recovery for the OTA to work)
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I have searched and been unable to find answers, least ones that account for changes over time. So if I have overlooked the obvious then my apologies.
I am looking to upgrade to a m7, hopefully as soon as tomorrow. Being able to root is not negotiable. So what I am wanting to know, are there any set of circumstances which would render a device unable to be rooted? I have no issue with requirements of downgrading firmware, or anything such as that, wouldn't be the first time. Simply want to ensure that nothing exists which can't be worked around.
Thanks
Make sure it is on current firmware and pay for Sunshine. Older method 'firewater' got discontinued, so Sunshine is the only method for recent firmwares. It is still unknown if sunshine will not work for 5.0 but we have a little time before that update hits.
shorty1993 said:
I have searched and been unable to find answers, least ones that account for changes over time. So if I have overlooked the obvious then my apologies.
I am looking to upgrade to a m7, hopefully as soon as tomorrow. Being able to root is not negotiable. So what I am wanting to know, are there any set of circumstances which would render a device unable to be rooted? I have no issue with requirements of downgrading firmware, or anything such as that, wouldn't be the first time. Simply want to ensure that nothing exists which can't be worked around.
Thanks
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As @Uzephi said, you'll have to pay the$25 to get S-off from Sunshine, but believe me, it's well worth it. With Sunshine, all m7's are currently root-able.
Thanks for the great information. Especially when u are looking at additional costs above purchase of the device.. Hopefully everything will go go smoothly with the transaction and will be a member of new community very soon.
Thanks again
Chris
Just ordered my HTC 10, excited...and nervous as I've not had a new device (like long term) in... like over 1.5 years. :S I'm mainly hoping the microSD card slot likes my 128GB U1 x633 card so I can finally have enough space for all my vinyl rips, and then I hope the DAC is as good as they say.
So anyway, I've been reading all of this stuff about rooting and loosing the radio connection and something about the data encryption breaking everything O.O!!! Holy crap. I just wanna root it, find a good rom and dev to support and enjoy it. This is what I do on my current daily driver, my old OPO. I've been trying to look around, search, and read to make sure that I avoid all of these issues mentioned but so far I've not found a concrete explanation of why said issues happen. Not new to rooting/flashing at all, but HTC devices always seemed to of been touchy when it came to custom stuff, and I don't want to explode this thing. My main problem is that I've been away from HTC for.... well since early 2014.
My current knowledge of android stuffz tells me to:
1) Unlock Bootloader via ADB
2) Flash TWRP/Other Customer Recovery
3) Find sweet rom, flash and spend hours customizing
4) Flash xposed and go crazy with modules until the phone explodes and then scale it back to a realistic level
5) Enjoy Phone
6) Cake
HOWEVER... I remember HTC devices having a bit more complication due to things like... RUU and firmware.. I don't even remember what RUU means lol... But I remember when I had my M8 I was always fighting these dang firmware issues. While I ended up with a fantastic experience, I remember fighting for almost 2 months or so to get it to behave. Battery was out of control, phone was crashing, camera exploding. Oh man it sucked, but finally someone really cool was like... "Yo dude I had these issues, this is what you have to do with HTC stuff" , and after a full hour of flashing shiz I had the phone running smoothly and behaving correctly. Something about... you had to flash each level of the firmware and then reboot and...something. Like you couldn't just skip to the latest firmware? I don't remember exactly.
So anyway, the main question I have is. Could someone either
A.) Point me in the direction of a post or something to study to understand what to do and not do. I've searched but not really found anything solid. Something for folks who've been off the HTC scene for a while.
B.) If there isn't really a single post on this, perhaps if someone doesn't mind explaining this (even pm is fine) to me so I don't explord this expensive mofo and cry.
C.) Give me a hug, because I am nervous about having a new device O.O , it's been so long and I'm so used to Cm13 and xposed and all that jazz. I is be scared.
I would be grateful to any and all help/support.
Anyway, thanks in advanced guys and gals. :3
Locklear308 said:
Just ordered my HTC 10, excited...and nervous as I've not had a new device (like long term) in... like over 1.5 years. :S I'm mainly hoping the microSD card slot likes my 128GB U1 x633 card so I can finally have enough space for all my vinyl rips, and then I hope the DAC is as good as they say.
So anyway, I've been reading all of this stuff about rooting and loosing the radio connection and something about the data encryption breaking everything O.O!!! Holy crap. I just wanna root it, find a good rom and dev to support and enjoy it. This is what I do on my current daily driver, my old OPO. I've been trying to look around, search, and read to make sure that I avoid all of these issues mentioned but so far I've not found a concrete explanation of why said issues happen. Not new to rooting/flashing at all, but HTC devices always seemed to of been touchy when it came to custom stuff, and I don't want to explode this thing. My main problem is that I've been away from HTC for.... well since early 2014.
My current knowledge of android stuffz tells me to:
1) Unlock Bootloader via ADB
2) Flash TWRP/Other Customer Recovery
3) Find sweet rom, flash and spend hours customizing
4) Flash xposed and go crazy with modules until the phone explodes and then scale it back to a realistic level
5) Enjoy Phone
6) Cake
HOWEVER... I remember HTC devices having a bit more complication due to things like... RUU and firmware.. I don't even remember what RUU means lol... But I remember when I had my M8 I was always fighting these dang firmware issues. While I ended up with a fantastic experience, I remember fighting for almost 2 months or so to get it to behave. Battery was out of control, phone was crashing, camera exploding. Oh man it sucked, but finally someone really cool was like... "Yo dude I had these issues, this is what you have to do with HTC stuff" , and after a full hour of flashing shiz I had the phone running smoothly and behaving correctly. Something about... you had to flash each level of the firmware and then reboot and...something. Like you couldn't just skip to the latest firmware? I don't remember exactly.
So anyway, the main question I have is. Could someone either
A.) Point me in the direction of a post or something to study to understand what to do and not do. I've searched but not really found anything solid. Something for folks who've been off the HTC scene for a while.
B.) If there isn't really a single post on this, perhaps if someone doesn't mind explaining this (even pm is fine) to me so I don't explord this expensive mofo and cry.
C.) Give me a hug, because I am nervous about having a new device O.O , it's been so long and I'm so used to Cm13 and xposed and all that jazz. I is be scared.
I would be grateful to any and all help/support.
Anyway, thanks in advanced guys and gals. :3
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I was in the same boat haven't owed an HTC since the Fuze running Windows lol and have been a loyal Samsung user since the S1 so the whole adb fastboot thing was a little overwhelming. I followed the guide in the forum and had a few hiccups but overall went pretty smooth. Adb is definitely not as user friendly as Odin on a Sammy device but not to difficult. My only tips would be make sure you have all the latest drivers, twrp, and adb installed. It seems pretty hard to permanently brick a device these days from my experience so I wouldn't worry to much. As far as the radio not working, as long as you keep your device encrypted you won't lose your radio. I'm sure the devs will find a fix for this soon enough. Enjoy your new 10!
Edit: I'm using a lexar 128gb 633x U1 micro sd and all is well. Worked with adoptable storage also but felt a little sluggish so I went back to using it as external storage.
AndroiderM said:
I was in the same boat haven't owed an HTC since the Fuze running Windows lol and have been a loyal Samsung user since the S1 so the whole adb fastboot thing was a little overwhelming. I followed the guide in the forum and had a few hiccups but overall went pretty smooth. Adb is definitely not as user friendly as Odin on a Sammy device but not to difficult. My only tips would be make sure you have all the latest drivers, twrp, and adb installed. It seems pretty hard to permanently brick a device these days from my experience so I wouldn't worry to much. As far as the radio not working, as long as you keep your device encrypted you won't lose your radio. I'm sure the devs will find a fix for this soon enough. Enjoy your new 10!
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Well I am comfortable in adb :3 so that's not a worry. So un-enecrypting it is just an option, and I should just avoid it for now? What is the advantage of un-encrypting it?
What guide did you use? Also, what about all this firmware and ruu stuff?
Sorry for so many questions... Lol this thing wasn't cheap and I am nervous , BTW what setup do you have? Root? ROM?
Thanks for replying :3
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Well I am comfortable in adb :3 so that's not a worry. So un-enecrypting it is just an option, and I should just avoid it for now? What is the advantage of un-encrypting it?
What guide did you use? Also, what about all this firmware and ruu stuff?
Sorry for so many questions... Lol this thing wasn't cheap and I am nervous , BTW what setup do you have? Root? ROM?
Thanks for replying :3
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/guide-root-optionally-s-off-radio-t3373025
From what I understand unencrypting breaks the radio. With it unencrypted you would get slightly better performance and boot times I think. I would definitely avoid it for now. I'm currently using twrp with Viper 10 rom. I've also used leedroid and still trying to find which one I prefer. I've only had my 10 for 3 days lol so I haven't found my sweet setup just yet. I left s-on for now as I don't really need it off.
No idea about the firmware and ruu stuff. I made a backup of stock rom before I started flashing. I'm pretty sure there is or will be a repo with factory firmware, radios, etc. I don't know what ruu stands for either lol.
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Did you get carrier or unlocked version
AndroiderM said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/guide-root-optionally-s-off-radio-t3373025
From what I understand unencrypting breaks the radio. With it unencrypted you would get slightly better performance and boot times I think. I would definitely avoid it for now. I'm currently using twrp with Viper 10 rom. I've also used leedroid and still trying to find which one I prefer. I've only had my 10 for 3 days lol so I haven't found my sweet setup just yet. I left s-on for now as I don't really need it off.
No idea about the firmware and ruu stuff. I made a backup of stock rom before I started flashing. I'm pretty sure there is or will be a repo with factory firmware, radios, etc. I don't know what ruu stands for either lol.
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Unlocked, at least that's what the guy on Swappa marked it as. *fingers crossed*
Got it for 510. One scratch on the metal
Alright so I will back things up and avoid the radio breaking stuff. I will check that link, thanks man
Locklear308 said:
Unlocked, at least that's what the guy on Swappa marked it as. *fingers crossed*
Got it for 510. One scratch on the metal
Alright so I will back things up and avoid the radio breaking stuff. I will check that link, thanks man
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No problem, mine has two scratches on metal too lol but guy gave me $200 and unlocked htc 10 w uh oh protection and original receipt for my s7e at&t branded locked bootloader ?. Was a no brainer for me
Locklear308 said:
Just ordered my HTC 10, excited...and nervous as I've not had a new device (like long term) in... like over 1.5 years. :S I'm mainly hoping the microSD card slot likes my 128GB U1 x633 card so I can finally have enough space for all my vinyl rips, and then I hope the DAC is as good as they say.
So anyway, I've been reading all of this stuff about rooting and loosing the radio connection and something about the data encryption breaking everything O.O!!! Holy crap. I just wanna root it, find a good rom and dev to support and enjoy it. This is what I do on my current daily driver, my old OPO. I've been trying to look around, search, and read to make sure that I avoid all of these issues mentioned but so far I've not found a concrete explanation of why said issues happen. Not new to rooting/flashing at all, but HTC devices always seemed to of been touchy when it came to custom stuff, and I don't want to explode this thing. My main problem is that I've been away from HTC for.... well since early 2014.
My current knowledge of android stuffz tells me to:
1) Unlock Bootloader via ADB
2) Flash TWRP/Other Customer Recovery
3) Find sweet rom, flash and spend hours customizing
4) Flash xposed and go crazy with modules until the phone explodes and then scale it back to a realistic level
5) Enjoy Phone
6) Cake
HOWEVER... I remember HTC devices having a bit more complication due to things like... RUU and firmware.. I don't even remember what RUU means lol... But I remember when I had my M8 I was always fighting these dang firmware issues. While I ended up with a fantastic experience, I remember fighting for almost 2 months or so to get it to behave. Battery was out of control, phone was crashing, camera exploding. Oh man it sucked, but finally someone really cool was like... "Yo dude I had these issues, this is what you have to do with HTC stuff" , and after a full hour of flashing shiz I had the phone running smoothly and behaving correctly. Something about... you had to flash each level of the firmware and then reboot and...something. Like you couldn't just skip to the latest firmware? I don't remember exactly.
So anyway, the main question I have is. Could someone either
A.) Point me in the direction of a post or something to study to understand what to do and not do. I've searched but not really found anything solid. Something for folks who've been off the HTC scene for a while.
B.) If there isn't really a single post on this, perhaps if someone doesn't mind explaining this (even pm is fine) to me so I don't explord this expensive mofo and cry.
C.) Give me a hug, because I am nervous about having a new device O.O , it's been so long and I'm so used to Cm13 and xposed and all that jazz. I is be scared.
I would be grateful to any and all help/support.
Anyway, thanks in advanced guys and gals. :3
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I'm on my third htc10. Exploded last two after rooting haha. Really not hard mate. Just read the guides provided and ask any questions you need. Most ppl on XDA will be helpful, and some will reply like me lol.
BTW, simple answer, unlock phone via HTC Dev, then flash Viper. Done.
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I'm on my third htc10. Exploded last two after rooting haha. Really not hard mate. Just read the guides provided and ask any questions you need. Most ppl on XDA will be helpful, and some will reply like me lol.
BTW, simple answer, unlock phone via HTC Dev, then flash Viper. Done.
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Alright neato, so do I need to ensure I let it download any and all OTA's for the firmware before doing anything? Is s-off safe to get as well in regards to the issues I referred to in my OP above?
And his is this viper? Does it allow things like settings similar to cm and also allow for xposed?
Thanks for replying man, I feel more comfortable now as it sounds like there isn't anything crazy required to safely root this thing . Phew!!
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Alright neato, so do I need to ensure I let it download any and all OTA's for the firmware before doing anything? Is s-off safe to get as well in regards to the issues I referred to in my OP above?
And his is this viper? Does it allow things like settings similar to cm and also allow for xposed?
Thanks for replying man, I feel more comfortable now as it sounds like there isn't anything crazy required to safely root this thing . Phew!!
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I got an M9 for my wife not that long ago and just had my 10 show up today and gonna root. Just do like the other dude said. Find a guide that says how to use HTC dev to unlock the bootloader. You can't just enter a command in adb like "unlock bootloader" and have it work. Go to the HTC dev website, make an account, pick your device and it walks you through the steps of unlocking the bootloader. That's really the only semi-difficult part IMO. Then proceed as normal. Download twrp, make a stock nand, download ROM, su binaries, kernel, etc. etc. go to recovery and flash. I'm sure there's a couple other steps in their but that's the basics.
As for Viper, it tends to come with so many mods built in, I'd personally be kind of reluctant to use xposed with it to to much modifying. It's a great ROM, but so is leedroid You can try each and see what you like, but if you want to more safely use xposed I'd personally go with leedroid.
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I got an M9 for my wife not that long ago and just had my 10 show up today and gonna root. Just do like the other dude said. Find a guide that says how to use HTC dev to unlock the bootloader. You can't just enter a command in adb like "unlock bootloader" and have it work. Go to the HTC dev website, make an account, pick your device and it walks you through the steps of unlocking the bootloader. That's really the only semi-difficult part IMO. Then proceed as normal. Download twrp, make a stock nand, download ROM, su binaries, kernel, etc. etc. go to recovery and flash. I'm sure there's a couple other steps in their but that's the basics.
As for Viper, it tends to come with so many mods built in, I'd personally be kind of reluctant to use xposed with it to to much modifying. It's a great ROM, but so is leedroid You can try each and see what you like, but if you want to more safely use xposed I'd personally go with leedroid.
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Oh right, I do remember about the whole HTC dev website thing. I was mainly just concerned with the firmware issues and stuff that I had before.
Is there any kind of limitations for reasons not to upgrade to the highest available firmware? Something like, maybe the highest one can't be rooted yet or something like that. I just want to make sure that I don't shoot myself in the foot haha.
Thank you all for your help
Locklear308 said:
Oh right, I do remember about the whole HTC dev website thing. I was mainly just concerned with the firmware issues and stuff that I had before.
Is there any kind of limitations for reasons not to upgrade to the highest available firmware? Something like, maybe the highest one can't be rooted yet or something like that. I just want to make sure that I don't shoot myself in the foot haha.
Thank you all for your help
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Hey, I'm not sure about firmware not being able to be rooted but the best way to go about it (what I did anyway) is to unlock the phone via htcdev.com, flash a custom recovery (Latest TWRP which has also worked around the encryption stuff?) and then back up everything other than the data partition. That way, no matter what you do, you always have something to revert back to. The reason for not backing up data is due to the encryption. From my understanding, restoring an encrypted data partition would break things. Once you have the phone unlocked and recovery sorted, you are free to flash viper etc. and root the phone using SuperSU. I'm sure you are aware unlocked devices are quite easy to root so whatever you flash will most likely be on latest firmware, already rooted.
As for installing OTAs etc., you need unmodified system and recovery which is where the backups kick in. Simply back up your data on an SD card (pictures etc. not the actual partition) and restore the system-image and recovery. This should reset the phone although I'm not sure if it'll wipe anything and allow you to do OTA updates. Alternatively, get the latest firmware for your device from htcdev (again, not sure if they have firmware on there) and use that instead.
If any of the information above is incorrect or missing steps, someone feel free to correct me.
Hi guys. I purchased this phone used. IDK if it will have Android 6 or 7 installed on it. I know that it's supposed to be carrier unlocked. My goal is to get this rooted and get TWRP so I can install ViperRom.
Do these steps still apply:
1) Unlock your phone with htcdev.com or s-off it with sunshine http://theroot.ninja (using built in temproot)
2) flash latest twrp from http://twrp.me
3) Using adb, in twrp run - adb shell "echo KEEPFORCEENCRYPT=true>>/data/.supersu"
4) flash latest supersu from http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps...v2-05-t2868133
My understanding is that the Verizon variant would require SunShine app (regardless of whether I'm on Android 6 or 7) and I can't use HTCdev to unlock the bootloader. Can someone please advise what my best course of action is to get TWRP and a custom rom on this thing?
SantinoInc said:
Hi guys. I purchased this phone used. IDK if it will have Android 6 or 7 installed on it. I know that it's supposed to be carrier unlocked. My goal is to get this rooted and get TWRP so I can install ViperRom.
Do these steps still apply:
1) Unlock your phone with htcdev.com or s-off it with sunshine http://theroot.ninja (using built in temproot)
2) flash latest twrp from http://twrp.me
3) Using adb, in twrp run - adb shell "echo KEEPFORCEENCRYPT=true>>/data/.supersu"
4) flash latest supersu from http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps...v2-05-t2868133
My understanding is that the Verizon variant would require SunShine app (regardless of whether I'm on Android 6 or 7) and I can't use HTCdev to unlock the bootloader. Can someone please advise what my best course of action is to get TWRP and a custom rom on this thing?
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Verizon disables oem unlocking, so you'd need to S-off your device to do any sort of tinkering. From there you won't need to unlock the bootloader, s-off allows you to do everything you need. With that said, if the phone is on Nougat, the only way to s-off is to mail your device to the Sunshine dev. The app won't work for you in that case. If on Marshmallow, you can use the app.
Step 2 is correct, and I don't think you need to step 3 anymore. Just flash whichever rom you need, and they are already rooted so no need to install supersu separately.
Leedroid and ViperROM are probably the most popular Sense-based roms, each with lots of customization options.
Tarima said:
Verizon disables oem unlocking, so you'd need to S-off your device to do any sort of tinkering. From there you won't need to unlock the bootloader, s-off allows you to do everything you need. With that said, if the phone is on Nougat, the only way to s-off is to mail your device to the Sunshine dev. The app won't work for you in that case. If on Marshmallow, you can use the app.
Step 2 is correct, and I don't think you need to step 3 anymore. Just flash whichever rom you need, and they are already rooted so no need to install supersu separately.
Leedroid and ViperROM are probably the most popular Sense-based roms, each with lots of customization options.
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Thanks 4 the assistance!
SantinoInc said:
Thanks 4 the assistance!
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No problem, hope for you that it's not on Nougat when you get it.
Tarima said:
No problem, hope for you that it's not on Nougat when you get it.
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I have a bad phone obsession. I'm probably downgrading anyway (on Xiaomi Mi Mix) If the phone I purchased is on Nougat I'm going to sell it. Only paid $250 for it so I can probably make a small profit
SantinoInc said:
I have a bad phone obsession. I'm probably downgrading anyway (on Xiaomi Mi Mix) If the phone I purchased is on Nougat I'm going to sell it. Only paid $250 for it so I can probably make a small profit
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$250? If it's in good condition that's a steal. At that price it's definitely worth paying the extra shipping cost to send the phone to s-off. Those guys are pretty trustworthy if that's something you're worried about.
Fantastic well rounded device if you decide to keep it.
Tarima said:
$250? If it's in good condition that's a steal. At that price it's definitely worth paying the extra shipping cost to send the phone to s-off. Those guys are pretty trustworthy if that's something you're worried about.
Fantastic well rounded device if you decide to keep it.
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Hey, one question I forgot to ask...
So I need SunShine for S-Off but can I keep the phone S-On and use HTC Dev method so I can still get TWRP?
SantinoInc said:
Hey, one question I forgot to ask...
So I need SunShine for S-Off but can I keep the phone S-On and use HTC Dev method so I can still get TWRP?
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No that's what I meant by "verizon disables oem unlocking". HTC Dev unlock = oem unlock = unlocking the bootloader
With the Verizon 10, the only way to flash twrp or anything else is to have s-off. On non-verizon devices, you'd be able to do what you asked.
Tarima said:
No that's what I meant by "verizon disables oem unlocking". HTC Dev unlock = oem unlock = unlocking the bootloader
With the Verizon 10, the only way to flash twrp or anything else is to have s-off. On non-verizon devices, you'd be able to do what you asked.
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. I assumed that. Looking forward to getting this today and comparing it to my Mi Mix. Always liked HTC phones
Please help, I am coming from t mobile to verizon.. and need to buy a phone in the next day or two. I am at a lose to which to buy. If I purchase the HTC 10, what is S - off and what would it entail. I am stuck getting a verizon, in your opinion, which phone should I purchase thats root-able.
kevinchristopherson said:
Please help, I am coming from t mobile to verizon.. and need to buy a phone in the next day or two. I am at a lose to which to buy. If I purchase the HTC 10, what is S - off and what would it entail. I am stuck getting a verizon, in your opinion, which phone should I purchase thats root-able.
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Are you interested in tinkering with your phone, installing different software on it? If the answer is no, just go to Verizon and buy the 10 or whichever phone you want.
Edit: Just saw that you want to root.
The situation with the Verizon 10 is described in this thread. If you want to root the thing, you absolutely need S-off ("security off"). If the phone you receive is on Nougat, you have to mail it in for S-Off for 25$. If on marshmallow, you can do it via an app that also costs 25$.
Tarima said:
Are you interested in tinkering with your phone, installing different software on it? If the answer is no, just go to Verizon and buy the 10 or whichever phone you want.
Edit: Just saw that you want to root.
The situation with the Verizon 10 is described in this thread. If you want to root the thing, you absolutely need S-off ("security off"). If the phone you receive is on Nougat, you have to mail it in for S-Off for 25$. If on marshmallow, you can do it via an app that also costs 25$.
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So this may be the one I'll enjoy the most, 25 dollars for s-off wont hurt me that much. I have to get my phone from Verizon and tinkering with it often is kind of my thing. I appreciate your input, So far this sounds like what I'm looking for. thanks again.
Tarima said:
Are you interested in tinkering with your phone, installing different software on it? If the answer is no, just go to Verizon and buy the 10 or whichever phone you want.
Edit: Just saw that you want to root.
The situation with the Verizon 10 is described in this thread. If you want to root the thing, you absolutely need S-off ("security off"). If the phone you receive is on Nougat, you have to mail it in for S-Off for 25$. If on marshmallow, you can do it via an app that also costs 25$.
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No problem, for S-Off the app is called Sunshine, you can go on their website and get support there. The same guys will do it by mail in.
Verizon HTC 10 Root Updates?
Hello,
Newb here...new to Androids and new to looking into rooting/tinkering with ROMs. Is there any update on the current state of rooting the Verizon variant of this great phone? I'm on Nougat 7.0 (2.41.605.20) and I am using the phone on the AT&T Network :laugh: I am; however, not happy with the issues with 4G lte that the newest 2.41.xxx is causing. I am wanting to flash Viper 10; as I understand it really optimizes this phone well.
I really do not want to S-Off (I am an Information Security Professional and this speaks against the principles I work by :angel: . Do we know of any way to do this other than sending it to Sunshine? There has to have been some strides in the past 3 1/2 months, right?
Thanks
agbq2002 said:
Hello,
Newb here...new to Androids and new to looking into rooting/tinkering with ROMs. Is there any update on the current state of rooting the Verizon variant of this great phone? I'm on Nougat 7.0 (2.41.605.20) and I am using the phone on the AT&T Network :laugh: I am; however, not happy with the issues with 4G lte that the newest 2.41.xxx is causing. I am wanting to flash Viper 10; as I understand it really optimizes this phone well.
I really do not want to S-Off (I am an Information Security Professional and this speaks against the principles I work by :angel: . Do we know of any way to do this other than sending it to Sunshine? There has to have been some strides in the past 3 1/2 months, right?
Thanks
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There's no way to root or flash roms besides getting S-OFF.
agbq2002 said:
Hello,
Newb here...new to Androids and new to looking into rooting/tinkering with ROMs. Is there any update on the current state of rooting the Verizon variant of this great phone? I'm on Nougat 7.0 (2.41.605.20) and I am using the phone on the AT&T Network :laugh: I am; however, not happy with the issues with 4G lte that the newest 2.41.xxx is causing. I am wanting to flash Viper 10; as I understand it really optimizes this phone well.
I really do not want to S-Off (I am an Information Security Professional and this speaks against the principles I work by :angel: . Do we know of any way to do this other than sending it to Sunshine? There has to have been some strides in the past 3 1/2 months, right?
Thanks
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Your best bet would be to get SOFF, convert it to the us unlocked version, then put it back to SON, then you'll have newer software/firmware, and have the security re-enabled
aer0zer0 said:
Your best bet would be to get SOFF, convert it to the us unlocked version, then put it back to SON, then you'll have newer software/firmware, and have the security re-enabled
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Ok...so either way; I'm looking at having to S-Off with Sunshine, then I can do the conversion from Verizon --> US Unlocked as you stated. Do you know if this alone (converting to US Unlocked) will correct the 4G lte issues that the 2.41.xxx has caused with this model? Or...would you recommend that I go ahead and flash Viper 10 ROM?
Thank you and cnat for the responses
agbq2002 said:
Ok...so either way; I'm looking at having to S-Off with Sunshine, then I can do the conversion from Verizon --> US Unlocked as you stated. Do you know if this alone (converting to US Unlocked) will correct the 4G lte issues that the 2.41.xxx has caused with this model? Or...would you recommend that I go ahead and flash Viper 10 ROM?
Thank you and cnat for the responses
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It can only help, Verizon is behind the game with software/firmware. I would recommend the swap if you plan on using a GSM carrier long term. Plus you can then flash viper on top of it.
aer0zer0 said:
It can only help, Verizon is behind the game with software/firmware. I would recommend the swap if you plan on using a GSM carrier long term. Plus you can then flash viper on top of it.
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So I came across a couple of articles that said using "Xposed Installer" could be used to flash a new ROM instead of Rooting my device. Do you, or anyone else have any experience with Xposed Installer on the HTC 10?
agbq2002 said:
So I came across a couple of articles that said using "Xposed Installer" could be used to flash a new ROM instead of Rooting my device. Do you, or anyone else have any experience with Xposed Installer on the HTC 10?
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In order to use Xposed you have to be rooted. Also, at least official Xposed doesn't work on Nougat yet although someone made a modified unofficial version so that it would on some devices.
Hi guys,
Got an M9 that updated to Nougat as soon as i laid hands on it. I have very few experience with the HTC world, and would like some information where should i head after here.
I'll definitely need root and am familiar with flashing through fastboot and unlocking through the HTC DEV Token.
I am also aware that a few flashing methods dont work with an unlocked bootloader, so currently i dont want to rush right there.
What is absolutely a myth to me, is S-OFF. Never managed to reach it in any device, and the way of getting it seems a bit unfair (sorry if it doesn't agree with anyone's views).
So this is what i have.
Status: LOCKED and S-ON
ROM: 7.0
Software: 4.16.166.1
Build: CL839204
CID: VODAP110
Baseband: 01.01_U114401011_117.00.61117G_2_F
Has Download mode available.
Thanks in advance.
Sad, sad to have found out that on XDA, barely any helper comes around the Help threads.
And even sadder to the fact that a certain feature to give control over the device have been monopolised in OEM fashion, adding a certain fee too.
The loop of options:
YOU CAN ONLY:
Unlock the device officially, temper with custom roms and recoveries.
The moment you want the benefits of a newer release (baseband, etc), one needs to relock back, that means backing up, go through wiping and locking and back.
YOU CANT:
Certain features that depend on S-OFF. From changing phones origin to updating without bothering locking or not.
Long story short, you cant do anything useful without reaching the pocket.
This concludes as my last HTC phone ever.
PlutoDelic said:
Sad, sad to have found out that on XDA, barely any helper comes around the Help threads.
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I can only speak for myself but I'm not online 24/7. I answer if and when I have time for answering. Then you need to be aware that the M9 forum never was that active and the user base is even decreasing since the phone is already older than two years. If you expect fast replies, then a not so active device forum is definetely the wrong place for asking a question.
Aside from that, there's the ReadMe thread that got pinned at the top of the General and the Q&A section. It contains all answers to your questions. After all the time that I'm maintaining that thread I still don't understand why people prefer creating a new Q&A thread instead of reading what already got written.
PlutoDelic said:
And even sadder to the fact that a certain feature to give control over the device have been monopolised in OEM fashion, adding a certain fee too.
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Please, not that discussion, again. S-OFF is absolutely not needed for using this phone. It's optional.
PlutoDelic said:
Unlock the device officially, temper with custom roms and recoveries.
The moment you want the benefits of a newer release (baseband, etc), one needs to relock back, that means backing up, go through wiping and locking and back.
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Incorrect. If you had read the ReadMe thread you would know that relocking is absolutely not needed (and even not recommended). Not to forget that this phone is EOL. If you update to the latest version before starting to tinker you will never have to deal with this "problem" of getting back to stock. Aside from that, it was Google that introduced the block-based OTAs with android 5, not HTC. You'll face the same "problem" with every phone that gets shipped with android 5 or newer.
PlutoDelic said:
YOU CANT:
Certain features that depend on S-OFF. From changing phones origin to updating without bothering locking or not.
Long story short, you cant do anything useful without reaching the pocket.
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Not sure how you define useful but rooting and installing custom roms is working fine without S-OFF. Most M9 owners have never heard of xda, rooting or custom roms and the majority of the rest doesn't need more than what they already can achieve with S-ON. (The part with the locking already got corrected above.)
Flippy498 said:
I can only speak for myself but I'm not online 24/7. I answer if and when I have time for answering.
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Obviously, i have the same experience on a few Samsung threads, very understandable, although rare does someone have such enthusiastic reply for something positive. But anyway, i'll throw a thanks as i am not here for cynicism or arrogance.
Flippy498 said:
Then you need to be aware that the M9 forum never was that active and the user base is even decreasing since the phone is already older than two years.
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Very well noticed.
Regarding S-OFF, i "just" need it, and was very much disappointed with the solution.