Update is due to come out next month, will you be upgrading?
Pros:
New system
Chances are less bugs than lolipop
Cons:
Lose root
May now be able to root with the old lollipop kernel
What do you think?
I personally think that we will still have access to install twrp and flash su zip for root without a custom kernel.
GamerOnOne said:
Update is due to come out next month, will you be upgrading?
Pros:
New system
Chances are less bugs than lolipop
Cons:
Lose root
May now be able to root with the old lollipop kernel
What do you think?
I personally think that we will still have access to install twrp and flash su zip for root without a custom kernel.
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We will be able to root, SuperSU zip will patch the boot img and installs root.
This is the first phone that I haven't had the need to root just the hotspot tweat
Update is out
GamerOnOne said:
Update is due to come out next month, will you be upgrading?
Pros:
New system
Chances are less bugs than lolipop
Cons:
Lose root
May now be able to root with the old lollipop kernel
What do you think?
I personally think that we will still have access to install twrp and flash su zip for root without a custom kernel.
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With a great developer like you working on it, I know we will have root.
Thanks in advance
tcas55 said:
With a great developer like you working on it, I know we will have root.
Thanks in advance
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People don't look at dates nor the fact that he's been gone. Oh and MM 6.0.1 has been rooted.
Related
I am new to the whole understanding of root on non-Nexus devices seeing how I had to root my Nexus 4 after each update and I had a fair bit of knowledge hacking/modding/rooting the Nexus.
Kedros over at oppoforums (http://www.oppoforums.com/threads/how-to-root-your-oppo-find-7a-w-oppo-recovery.11309/) provided a root method that is permanent. I have no plans to install custom ROMs nor do I feel the need to flash a custom recovery (ex. TWRP).
My question is:
1. Will I still receive OTA updates from Oppo after I root?
2. If no to step 1, will flashing ColorOS updates remove the "permanent" root?
Thanks.
Root and OTA
anwedr said:
I am new to the whole understanding of root on non-Nexus devices seeing how I had to root my Nexus 4 after each update and I had a fair bit of knowledge hacking/modding/rooting the Nexus.
Kedros over at oppoforums provided a root method that is permanent. I have no plans to install custom ROMs nor do I feel the need to flash a custom recovery (ex. TWRP).
My question is:
1. Will I still receive OTA updates from Oppo after I root?
2. If no to step 1, will flashing ColorOS updates remove the "permanent" root?
Thanks.
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1. Yes. OTA updates will work so long as you're using stock recovery and haven't made drastic changes to the /system partition.
2. Flashing an incremental (OTA) update in recovery will have the same effect as tapping "install update" from the about phone menu. You will lose root. If you flash a complete dump of the /system you will lose root as well since you are replacing /system.
Losing root isn't a big deal. Just flash again from recovery. You could try the OTA survival option built into SuperSu. I didn't bother trying because it takes less than a minute to reboot to recovery and flash SuperSu/su binary. What might be a big deal with the OTA update is that it wipes /data. This is odd because the pop-up that appears prior to installing the update specifically states that you won't lose apps or data. Your custom ROM plans may change after you use ColorOS. I hate it. It's glitchy and has a huge memory footprint. I'd recommend trying the 2.0 beta. I haven't had my Find 7a for long, but I've had no bugs thus far with the 2.0 beta. It's available on the Oppo Forums.
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Hello,
at the moment I have a HTC 10 with normal root and xposed.
But I would like to have the option of installing OTA updates and I have some question:
- Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
- Can I still flash a custom kernel and other mods in TWRP?
- What do I need for systemless root and systemless xposed?
- Are there any disadvantages?
And it would be awesome if someone could give me a full guide how to do this.
I would start with flashing a RUU, but what should I do after that?
Thanks in advance!
I can't say anything about systemless Xposed, but I've been wondering about it. Main thing I want to know is if it will play nice with Android Pay. Right now, I'd rather have Android Pay than Xposed, but I'd like both.
As for systemless root, yes, you can still flash custom kernels thru TWRP. I'm running @flar2's Elemental X and have run them both successfully on LeeDroid and Venom. Some mods may have to have some special prep if they're not baked into a rom, such as AdAway, to work properly with systemless root.
The disadvantages to systemless root, to this point have been you can't run Xposed on it (not sure how it works now), and root is broken on some poorly coded apps, like ES File Explorer.
The easiest way to install systemless root now is just to install a rom. Put TWRP on and pick a rom. Both LeeDroid and Viper have options for systemless root. You're up and working out of the box with nothing special to do.
Superguy said:
I can't say anything about systemless Xposed, but I've been wondering about it. Main thing I want to know is if it will play nice with Android Pay. Right now, I'd rather have Android Pay than Xposed, but I'd like both.
As for systemless root, yes, you can still flash custom kernels thru TWRP. I'm running @flar2's Elemental X and have run them both successfully on LeeDroid and Venom. Some mods may have to have some special prep if they're not baked into a rom, such as AdAway, to work properly with systemless root.
The disadvantages to systemless root, to this point have been you can't run Xposed on it (not sure how it works now), and root is broken on some poorly coded apps, like ES File Explorer.
The easiest way to install systemless root now is just to install a rom. Put TWRP on and pick a rom. Both LeeDroid and Viper have options for systemless root. You're up and working out of the box with nothing special to do.
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Have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
That's the reason why I'm asking - OTA is working, but Android Pay not (for me it doesn't matter. I never used android pay).
But I want to stay on Stock ROM, no Custom ROMs. I just want the ability to download and install OTA updates.
Edit: Well, I see that I still need stock recovery for OTA updates. It doesn't make sense to install systemless root, because I have stock system-image backup and stock recovery.
Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
Maik268 said:
Have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
That's the reason why I'm asking - OTA is working, but Android Pay not (for me it doesn't matter. I never used android pay).
But I want to stay on Stock ROM, no Custom ROMs. I just want the ability to download and install OTA updates.
Edit: Well, I see that I still need stock recovery for OTA updates. It doesn't make sense to install systemless root, because I have stock system-image backup and stock recovery.
Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
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I am in the same position, just got the phone and want to install systemless root, systemless xposed and systemless Adaway... Mainly the reason I want this is because I dont want to s-off (you cant flash newer firmwares that come with updates) or I dont want to restore system and performing update after that... I just want stock rom with elementalx and those xposed goodies I want it so that when I get a notification about update, I dont need to backup anything, flash anything, just install update regularly like all normal people BUT still after update have root and xposed
I think its possible, but I have to do a little research before I get on with it.. Now first step is unlock bootloader
CrazyCypher said:
I am in the same position, just got the phone and want to install systemless root, systemless xposed and systemless Adaway... Mainly the reason I want this is because I dont want to s-off (you cant flash newer firmwares that come with updates) or I dont want to restore system and performing update after that... I just want stock rom with elementalx and those xposed goodies I want it so that when I get a notification about update, I dont need to backup anything, flash anything, just install update regularly like all normal people BUT still after update have root and xposed
I think its possible, but I have to do a little research before I get on with it.. Now first step is unlock bootloader
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Even with systemless root you have to restore stock recovery to use OTA updates
Well, I have a look at this next weekend when I have some more time.
Or I just try a custom ROM... :laugh:
Maik268 said:
Even with systemless root you have to restore stock recovery to use OTA updates
Well, I have a look at this next weekend when I have some more time.
Or I just try a custom ROM... :laugh:
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Yes but the amazing thing is that after you flash everything you want, you can immediately restore stock recovery and have stock recovery all the time after you have everything systemless
Then if you want to flash something you flash TWRP.. otherwise you just leave re-flashed stock recovery
CrazyCypher said:
Yes but the amazing thing is that after you flash everything you want, you can immediately restore stock recovery and have stock recovery all the time after you have everything systemless
Then if you want to flash something you flash TWRP.. otherwise you just leave re-flashed stock recovery
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Hello, I will receive my HTC 10 on Friday, and I all I want is to root and install Xposed Framework (A kernel would be nice too, but it's not a must) but I do want to receive OTA's and not having to flash the Rom each time that I want to update...
So if I root my phone Systemless, will I be able to Install Xposed (and a kernel) so when I receive an OTA, I just flash the stock kernel and install the update, then flash twrp again, without losing root or my data?
If so, how do I systemless root?
Thanks! :good:
I got my OP3 1-2 weeks . before i had a S4 (rooted). I'm really happy with this phone but i got some questions and problems.
1. When i video call via skype the camera will freeze in 50sec. when I switch the camera to the back and front it's fixed for 50 sec again and same thing happening again....
2. Rooting the OP3 is it safe to do ? And does someone got a guide for it ? I saw allot off them but I don't know which one works for Oxygen 3.2.1. I got some rooting experience with the S4 but rooting op3 is kinda different.
3. When i got a rooted op3 without a custom rom. Do i still get updates via System updates in the settings ?
Sorry for my bad English and thanks for reading.
1. Don't know
2. Yes, https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...nlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-root-nandroid-efs
3. No after rooting you won't get updates
J_Dutch said:
1. Don't know
2. Yes, https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...nlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-root-nandroid-efs
3. No after rooting you won't get updates
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3. Wrong, with systemless SuperSU and/or systemless Xposed you still get OTA updates.
Proof: Myself (have the 3.2.1. OTA Update ready to download with systemless SuperSU and systemless Xposed.
crysen said:
3. Wrong, with systemless SuperSU and/or systemless Xposed you still get OTA updates.
Proof: Myself (have the 3.2.1. OTA Update ready to download with systemless SuperSU and systemless Xposed.
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Ok, didn't know that. How do you install that?
J_Dutch said:
Ok, didn't know that. How do you install that?
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Via TWRP both.
Here you can find the systemless SuperSU https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/guide-oneplus-3-how-to-unlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-root-nandroid-efs-backup-and-more.448149/
And here is systemless Xposed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
crysen said:
Via TWRP both.
Here you can find the systemless SuperSU https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...wrp-root-nandroid-efs-backup-and-more.448149/
And here is systemless Xposed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
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Seriously? I've been told several times installing a custom recovery and OTA is a no go...
But thanks, I'm still stock but I don't know for how long. I'm still a flashaholic inside.
crysen said:
3. Wrong, with systemless SuperSU and/or systemless Xposed you still get OTA updates.
Proof: Myself (have the 3.2.1. OTA Update ready to download with systemless SuperSU and systemless Xposed.
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You are right that you will get a prompt for upcoming OTA updates.
But they won't install because your kernel and system are not stock.
My device is also rooted systemless and I can confirm that you will get an error inside TWRP
when trying to install the OTA patches.
When rooted, regardless which way, it is always necessary to flash the full rom zip.
So in the end @J_Dutch was right to say that you won't get updates
because you will always have to manually flash the full rom.
On the other hand, when somebody only uses TWRP (for backups for example) without modifying the system and kernel at all,
OTAs will work just fine.
AcmE85 said:
You are right that you will get a prompt for upcoming OTA updates.
But they won't install because your kernel and system are not stock.
My device is also rooted systemless and I can confirm that you will get an error inside TWRP
when trying to install the OTA patches.
When rooted, regardless which way, it is always necessary to flash the full rom zip.
So in the end @J_Dutch was right to say that you won't get updates
because you will always have to manually flash the full rom.
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Oh thanks, I didn't know that, I would've flashed it via normal OTA after work otherwise
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
Technically you'll be updating your device by flashing the newest stock anyway. No need for OTAs. You can then re-root.
GTRanushka said:
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
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Yes, sounds doable
ABotelho23 said:
Technically you'll be updating your device by flashing the newest stock anyway. No need for OTAs. You can then re-root.
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Not what i meant. Let's say I'm on rooted OB18. But i want to update it to OB19. all i have is OB18 stock firmware. So, can i flash OB18 over rooted OB18 and then update it to OB19 (ota). Then re-root.
The reason I'm asking this is i have a very limited data internet connection. So i can save GBs if this is doable.
XDRdaniel said:
Yes, sounds doable
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Yeah. Well.. I'm gonna try this out myself. Thanks! :highfive:
GTRanushka said:
Not what i meant. Let's say I'm on rooted OB18. But i want to update it to OB19. all i have is OB18 stock firmware. So, can i flash OB18 over rooted OB18 and then update it to OB19 (ota). Then re-root.
The reason I'm asking this is i have a very limited data internet connection. So i can save GBs if this is doable.
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Plan to keep a copy of OB18 around? If so, then yea absolutely it should work. Root will either modify your system or your kernel depending on the method, which both get overwritten if you flash stock.
Issue you'll probably end up having in the future though is that if you always use OB18, when it comes time to install OB20, you'll be downgrading without a wipe, which I don't think is a great idea.
GTRanushka said:
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
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No you can't.
Because OTA will fail for "partition mismatching": the systemless root alters only but anyhow the /boot partition.
You must update with FOTA (Full OTAs), doesn't matter you're using stock or TWRP recovery.
The OxygenOS built-in updater should detects your system as modified and download only FOTAs.
Simone98RC said:
No you can't.
Because OTA will fail for "partition mismatching": the systemless root alters only but anyhow the /boot partition.
You must update with FOTA (Full OTAs), doesn't matter you're using stock or TWRP recovery.
The OxygenOS built-in updater should detects your system as modified and download only FOTAs.
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Let's say he has open beta 18, rooted and twrp installed, if he flashes ob18 again over it, this will get rid both of the root and twrp, resulting in an untouched system, therefore, ota after this will be possible. He can then flash back twrp and root the device
XDRdaniel said:
Let's say he has open beta 18, rooted and twrp installed, if he flashes ob18 again over it, this will get rid both of the root and twrp, resulting in an untouched system, therefore, ota after this will be possible. He can then flash back twrp and root the device
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But practically speaking, it's crazy to unroot system only for OTA.
It would be more reliable to download FOTAs on rooted system.
Then, if @GTRanushka is running Magisk (MagiskSU) as root method, it could be working even after firmware update.
Because of its systemless nature.
Simone98RC said:
But practically speaking, it's crazy to unroot system only for OTA.
It would be more reliable to download FOTAs on rooted system.
Then, if @GTRanushka is running Magisk (MagiskSU) as root method, it could be working even after firmware update.
Because of its systemless nature.
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This would be weird because I always had to flash magisk after a ota update..
GTRanushka said:
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
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In order to flash OTAS has to have stock rom but also recovery stock and bootloader blocked but not installed the OTAS otherwise it tells you that you have something modified and you have to download the complete rom. (That does not suit you)
ajnexus5 said:
In order to flash OTAS has to have stock rom but also recovery stock and bootloader blocked but not installed the OTAS otherwise it tells you that you have something modified and you have to download the complete rom. (That does not suit you)
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You don't need a locked bootloader for OTA just have to flash stock full ROM zip and stock recovery then you're good to go
Simone98RC said:
But practically speaking, it's crazy to unroot system only for OTA.
It would be more reliable to download FOTAs on rooted system.
Then, if @GTRanushka is running Magisk (MagiskSU) as root method, it could be working even after firmware update.
Because of its systemless nature.
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Why i try to unroot and do OTAs is the much less download size compared to FOTAs.
Renosh said:
You don't need a locked bootloader for OTA just have to flash stock full ROM zip and stock recovery then you're good to go
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I tried it with the bootloader open and I did not think that something is not right that it has to download complete the rom.:
Hey, guys, I wanted to ask if someone tried OTA updates working with the new method of rooting released with magisk 14- a rooting method in which we do not need root or custom recovery beforehand, we just need to provide stock boot image dump to the magisk manager. This method will do us good because if OTA's still work after root we can be rooted on the stock roms without having to download full OTA's when a new update arrives. If someone can confirm working OTA's on the OOS open beta with this root method, it would be really helpful. Thank you!
As long as you take a backup of system and keep TWRP installed so you have a backup to revert to it should be fine. The risk of issues is just too high unless you don't give a **** about your personal data.
Puddi_Puddin said:
As long as you take a backup of system and keep TWRP installed so you have a backup to revert to it should be fine. The risk of issues is just too high unless you don't give a **** about your personal data.
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Bro, I know how to work with TWRP. Your comment does not answer the question.
blaze95rs said:
Bro, I know how to work with TWRP. Your comment does not answer the question.
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Well think of it about this. Magisk is just one big hack on the system partition. An OTA changes files on the system partition aswell. What if the OTA changes files that Magisk needs?
1. Your phone will go into a bootloop.
2. You might end up bricking it.
3. You just have to reflash Magisk.
4. Your phone becomes buggy as hell.
Thats why we also recommend to install the full zips when flashing roms and kernels that modify system because of possible conflicts.
Puddi_Puddin said:
Well think of it about this. Magisk is just one big hack on the system partition. An OTA changes files on the system partition aswell. What if the OTA changes files that Magisk needs?
1. Your phone will go into a bootloop.
2. You might end up bricking it.
3. You just have to reflash Magisk.
4. Your phone becomes buggy as hell.
Thats why we also recommend to install the full zips when flashing roms and kernels that modify system because of possible conflicts.
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Obviously I would uninstall magisk and then install ota and reinstall magisk. Magisk is systemless so I think there shouldn't be any problem.
blaze95rs said:
Obviously I would uninstall magisk and then install ota and reinstall magisk. Magisk is systemless so I think there shouldn't be any problem.
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See it for yourself! Its something most people do not recommend.
Puddi_Puddin said:
See it for yourself! Its something most people do not recommend.
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You have missed the whole point of the post. This is a NEW method. Many people have not tried this method of root. So please, if you have any valuable information then only share. Do not litter. There should be logic to your answer and not general acceptance. Saying that many people do this or do that is not a very solid answer.
blaze95rs said:
You have missed the whole point of the post. This is a NEW method. Many people have not tried this method of root. So please, if you have any valuable information then only share. Do not litter. There should be logic to your answer and not general acceptance. Saying that many people do this or do that is not a very solid answer.
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That doesn't matter. I get that it can be installed without a custom recovery. But that doesn't mean it won't conflict with possible ota's. Again, see it for yourself. Most people including me do rather play it the safe way.
I have recently updated to the lateset Oxygen OS Beta i had Magisk installed, i use Sparks Latest twrp version, with this you can install OTA updates. I dit not unlinstalled Magisk first, you do need the full rom file, but for me when i wanted to install the OTA, it found i had rooted and autmatacly downloaded the full rom. After you installed the update you can install the latest version of Magisk.