Hey, guys, I wanted to ask if someone tried OTA updates working with the new method of rooting released with magisk 14- a rooting method in which we do not need root or custom recovery beforehand, we just need to provide stock boot image dump to the magisk manager. This method will do us good because if OTA's still work after root we can be rooted on the stock roms without having to download full OTA's when a new update arrives. If someone can confirm working OTA's on the OOS open beta with this root method, it would be really helpful. Thank you!
As long as you take a backup of system and keep TWRP installed so you have a backup to revert to it should be fine. The risk of issues is just too high unless you don't give a **** about your personal data.
Puddi_Puddin said:
As long as you take a backup of system and keep TWRP installed so you have a backup to revert to it should be fine. The risk of issues is just too high unless you don't give a **** about your personal data.
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Bro, I know how to work with TWRP. Your comment does not answer the question.
blaze95rs said:
Bro, I know how to work with TWRP. Your comment does not answer the question.
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Well think of it about this. Magisk is just one big hack on the system partition. An OTA changes files on the system partition aswell. What if the OTA changes files that Magisk needs?
1. Your phone will go into a bootloop.
2. You might end up bricking it.
3. You just have to reflash Magisk.
4. Your phone becomes buggy as hell.
Thats why we also recommend to install the full zips when flashing roms and kernels that modify system because of possible conflicts.
Puddi_Puddin said:
Well think of it about this. Magisk is just one big hack on the system partition. An OTA changes files on the system partition aswell. What if the OTA changes files that Magisk needs?
1. Your phone will go into a bootloop.
2. You might end up bricking it.
3. You just have to reflash Magisk.
4. Your phone becomes buggy as hell.
Thats why we also recommend to install the full zips when flashing roms and kernels that modify system because of possible conflicts.
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Obviously I would uninstall magisk and then install ota and reinstall magisk. Magisk is systemless so I think there shouldn't be any problem.
blaze95rs said:
Obviously I would uninstall magisk and then install ota and reinstall magisk. Magisk is systemless so I think there shouldn't be any problem.
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See it for yourself! Its something most people do not recommend.
Puddi_Puddin said:
See it for yourself! Its something most people do not recommend.
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You have missed the whole point of the post. This is a NEW method. Many people have not tried this method of root. So please, if you have any valuable information then only share. Do not litter. There should be logic to your answer and not general acceptance. Saying that many people do this or do that is not a very solid answer.
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You have missed the whole point of the post. This is a NEW method. Many people have not tried this method of root. So please, if you have any valuable information then only share. Do not litter. There should be logic to your answer and not general acceptance. Saying that many people do this or do that is not a very solid answer.
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That doesn't matter. I get that it can be installed without a custom recovery. But that doesn't mean it won't conflict with possible ota's. Again, see it for yourself. Most people including me do rather play it the safe way.
I have recently updated to the lateset Oxygen OS Beta i had Magisk installed, i use Sparks Latest twrp version, with this you can install OTA updates. I dit not unlinstalled Magisk first, you do need the full rom file, but for me when i wanted to install the OTA, it found i had rooted and autmatacly downloaded the full rom. After you installed the update you can install the latest version of Magisk.
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Hi,
Normally I'd search but as this is a non Nexus I am going to be cautious and patient. I would like to know how to block any OTA. I am rooted with TWRP flashed and I'm happy on M with xposed. I've had N and I'm in no rush for the bugs and whatnot and I'd rather keep xposed.
So for the Moto z play what is the best way to block OTA updates, and how would it be reverted, should I ever care about N.
Thanks in advance.
You may try DisableService, it should help.
Edit: Guess the right one is "Motorola Updateservices" on System Tab
darkrom said:
Hi,
Normally I'd search but as this is a non Nexus I am going to be cautious and patient. I would like to know how to block any OTA. I am rooted with TWRP flashed and I'm happy on M with xposed. I've had N and I'm in no rush for the bugs and whatnot and I'd rather keep xposed.
So for the Moto z play what is the best way to block OTA updates, and how would it be reverted, should I ever care about N.
Thanks in advance.
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Or flash my stock ROM found in the development threads , I removed 3 ota APK from priv/apps
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darkrom said:
Hi,
Normally I'd search but as this is a non Nexus I am going to be cautious and patient. I would like to know how to block any OTA. I am rooted with TWRP flashed and I'm happy on M with xposed. I've had N and I'm in no rush for the bugs and whatnot...
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Lol
This forum is crazy chomping at the bit for 7.0 and not 7.11.
I have stopped the Update without root.
If you have any kind of modification on your software, be it root or TWRP, you don't have to stop anything since the OTA will not install at all, even if you wanted to. You have to go back to full stock to install any official OTAs.
flashallthetime said:
Or flash my stock ROM found in the development threads , I removed 3 ota APK from priv/apps
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You missed the part about re-enable OTA. Just disabling the service is easy to enable again. For your idea: Take a Nandroid backup of boot, system and recovery and restore if OTA wanted?
Just an addition: It's not always easy to fulfill the conditions for OTA when rooted. Mainly: Original recovery. No whatsoever modification of /system (AdAway, Xposed, build.prop etc​.). And if I'm right informed, it fails if you undo some modification, because it works on blocks, not file based.
tag68 said:
You missed the part about re-enable OTA. Just disabling the service is easy to enable again. For your idea: Take a Nandroid backup of boot, system and recovery and restore if OTA wanted?
Just an addition: It's not always easy to fulfill the conditions for OTA when rooted. Mainly: Original recovery. No whatsoever modification of /system (AdAway, Xposed, build.prop etc​.). And if I'm right informed, it fails if you undo some modification, because it works on blocks, not file based.
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Didn't read or see that part.
Unfortunately the way to restore your system to stock is you'll have to flash all the sparsechunks, recovery, boot.img and the OEM.img.
May probably can just leave your data alone .
Just a note, as soon as nougat drops and I get my hands on the firmware, I'll be hopefully building a stock nougat ROM.
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Unfortunately the way to restore your system to stock is you'll have to flash all the sparsechunks, recovery, boot.img and the OEM.img.
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If Xposed is installed without Magisk, and twrp flashed, this is the way to go anyway.
flashallthetime said:
May probably can just leave your data alone .
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You can. Did this several times. Flashed July (August?) security ROM, update September and October, try flash Magisk, restore Nandroid boot, recovery and system - not working, start over. After updates flash Magisk and phh superuser, working fine. All this without change to data. Of course this only works if you stay on compatible ROM. Probably it should be stock or at least some only slightly modified.
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
Technically you'll be updating your device by flashing the newest stock anyway. No need for OTAs. You can then re-root.
GTRanushka said:
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
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Yes, sounds doable
ABotelho23 said:
Technically you'll be updating your device by flashing the newest stock anyway. No need for OTAs. You can then re-root.
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Not what i meant. Let's say I'm on rooted OB18. But i want to update it to OB19. all i have is OB18 stock firmware. So, can i flash OB18 over rooted OB18 and then update it to OB19 (ota). Then re-root.
The reason I'm asking this is i have a very limited data internet connection. So i can save GBs if this is doable.
XDRdaniel said:
Yes, sounds doable
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Yeah. Well.. I'm gonna try this out myself. Thanks! :highfive:
GTRanushka said:
Not what i meant. Let's say I'm on rooted OB18. But i want to update it to OB19. all i have is OB18 stock firmware. So, can i flash OB18 over rooted OB18 and then update it to OB19 (ota). Then re-root.
The reason I'm asking this is i have a very limited data internet connection. So i can save GBs if this is doable.
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Plan to keep a copy of OB18 around? If so, then yea absolutely it should work. Root will either modify your system or your kernel depending on the method, which both get overwritten if you flash stock.
Issue you'll probably end up having in the future though is that if you always use OB18, when it comes time to install OB20, you'll be downgrading without a wipe, which I don't think is a great idea.
GTRanushka said:
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
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No you can't.
Because OTA will fail for "partition mismatching": the systemless root alters only but anyhow the /boot partition.
You must update with FOTA (Full OTAs), doesn't matter you're using stock or TWRP recovery.
The OxygenOS built-in updater should detects your system as modified and download only FOTAs.
Simone98RC said:
No you can't.
Because OTA will fail for "partition mismatching": the systemless root alters only but anyhow the /boot partition.
You must update with FOTA (Full OTAs), doesn't matter you're using stock or TWRP recovery.
The OxygenOS built-in updater should detects your system as modified and download only FOTAs.
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Let's say he has open beta 18, rooted and twrp installed, if he flashes ob18 again over it, this will get rid both of the root and twrp, resulting in an untouched system, therefore, ota after this will be possible. He can then flash back twrp and root the device
XDRdaniel said:
Let's say he has open beta 18, rooted and twrp installed, if he flashes ob18 again over it, this will get rid both of the root and twrp, resulting in an untouched system, therefore, ota after this will be possible. He can then flash back twrp and root the device
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But practically speaking, it's crazy to unroot system only for OTA.
It would be more reliable to download FOTAs on rooted system.
Then, if @GTRanushka is running Magisk (MagiskSU) as root method, it could be working even after firmware update.
Because of its systemless nature.
Simone98RC said:
But practically speaking, it's crazy to unroot system only for OTA.
It would be more reliable to download FOTAs on rooted system.
Then, if @GTRanushka is running Magisk (MagiskSU) as root method, it could be working even after firmware update.
Because of its systemless nature.
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This would be weird because I always had to flash magisk after a ota update..
GTRanushka said:
I wonder is it possible to flash stock unrooted OOS over rooted OOS in order to install small OTAs. After updates plan to root again. Does anyone know whether this is possible or not? And, any side effects could occur?
I search over internet and couldn't find any useful info about this.
Thanks in advance.
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In order to flash OTAS has to have stock rom but also recovery stock and bootloader blocked but not installed the OTAS otherwise it tells you that you have something modified and you have to download the complete rom. (That does not suit you)
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In order to flash OTAS has to have stock rom but also recovery stock and bootloader blocked but not installed the OTAS otherwise it tells you that you have something modified and you have to download the complete rom. (That does not suit you)
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You don't need a locked bootloader for OTA just have to flash stock full ROM zip and stock recovery then you're good to go
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But practically speaking, it's crazy to unroot system only for OTA.
It would be more reliable to download FOTAs on rooted system.
Then, if @GTRanushka is running Magisk (MagiskSU) as root method, it could be working even after firmware update.
Because of its systemless nature.
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Why i try to unroot and do OTAs is the much less download size compared to FOTAs.
Renosh said:
You don't need a locked bootloader for OTA just have to flash stock full ROM zip and stock recovery then you're good to go
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I tried it with the bootloader open and I did not think that something is not right that it has to download complete the rom.:
I'm coming from nexus family and I know in and out regarding flashing rooms, rooting etc for nexus devices .. I got op5t few days back and I want to root it. But I need few info's.
1. If I root the phone, Can I flash the ota Update zip using twrp?
2. If I flash the update zip successfully using twrp, will I lose twrp and root?
I just want to know what are the steps to follow to update the Stock OS but also keeping the custom recovery and root after the update..
What are the Stock things I will lose after unlocking and rooting..
You will not lose stock features if you root. Both SafteyNet bypass options and root hide features exist with custom kernels and Magisk.
Taking OTA's will be a slight issue, though. Need to flash the Magisk uninstall zip first, take OTA (you will lose custom recovery), then re-flash custom recovery then flash Magisk again.
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You will not lose stock features if you root. Both SafteyNet bypass options and root hide features exist with custom kernels and Magisk.
Taking OTA's will be a slight issue, though. Need to flash the Magisk uninstall zip first, take OTA (you will lose custom recovery), then re-flash custom recovery then flash Magisk again.
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I thought if you flashed the full zip and then Magisk right after, it would not only keep root, but TWRP as well?
xocomaox said:
You will not lose stock features if you root. Both SafteyNet bypass options and root hide features exist with custom kernels and Magisk.
Taking OTA's will be a slight issue, though. Need to flash the Magisk uninstall zip first, take OTA (you will lose custom recovery), then re-flash custom recovery then flash Magisk again.
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So I need to use custom Kernal to Pass Safety net? Safety net fails in Stock kernel?
If you use Magisk, no. Magisk will hide the parameters that would reveal that your device has the bootloader unlocked.
rickysidhu_ said:
I thought if you flashed the full zip and then Magisk right after, it would not only keep root, but TWRP as well?
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Well.. it's not keeping root if you have to re-flash Magisk after!
You may get away with not having to flash Magisk uninstall zip, but you might as well since you'll be in recovery anyways.
You can flash stock rom using TWRP as mentioned in this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-mirrors-official-oxygen-os-t3708099
Once the update is completed you will be back in stock recovery and you need to flash TWRP again
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74705391&postcount=32
It would be great if someone who is familiar with OnePlus products and updates could put together a defnitive, detailed post and or instructional sticky on the whole update OTA root subject since there are so many different threads on it.
xocomaox said:
Well.. it's not keeping root if you have to re-flash Magisk after!
You may get away with not having to flash Magisk uninstall zip, but you might as well since you'll be in recovery anyways.
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Sorry, I meant flashing Magisk will boot you back into the system updated, rooted and with TWRP intact.
I haven't heard about having to uninstall Magisk or anything, was just curious
Dazed No More said:
It would be great if someone who is familiar with OnePlus products and updates could put together a defnitive, detailed post and or instructional sticky on the whole update OTA root subject since there are so many different threads on it.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74612843&postcount=3
padhu1989 said:
I'm coming from nexus family and I know in and out regarding flashing rooms, rooting etc for nexus devices .. I got op5t few days back and I want to root it. But I need few info's.
1. If I root the phone, Can I flash the ota Update zip using twrp?
2. If I flash the update zip successfully using twrp, will I lose twrp and root?
I just want to know what are the steps to follow to update the Stock OS but also keeping the custom recovery and root after the update..
What are the Stock things I will lose after unlocking and rooting..
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Why don't you read how to do it? https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-unlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-t3704592
Hi. I just got the unlocked US variant of the A50 (A505UZ), but don't see any posts related to it. Is it possible to root this version? If so, which version of TWRP or set of directions do I follow to do so? Lastly, can I still receive OTAs if I do root it? Thanks in advance for any and all help
I think rooting is the same for all variants incl US because there isn't a separate soc for the N.A. like some galaxy models. Try rooting with magisk, you don't have to install TWRP so you can keep the system partition intact and don't trip safetynet so you can use google pay, bank apps. And ota updates will still work. Some people don't know any better and always suggest installing TWRP as a first step.
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I think rooting is the same for all variants incl US because there isn't a separate soc for the N.A. like some galaxy models. Try rooting with magisk, you don't have to install TWRP so you can keep the system partition intact and don't trip safetynet so you can use google pay, bank apps. And ota updates will still work. Some people don't know any better and always suggest installing TWRP as a first step.
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Thanks for the help! With the Magisk method, does this allow custom ROMs also? Sorry if thats a dumb question; but honestly, I've never heard anyone not use TWRP or similar to root, even with Magisk.
bloodbath said:
Thanks for the help! With the Magisk method, does this allow custom ROMs also? Sorry if thats a dumb question; but honestly, I've never heard anyone not use TWRP or similar to root, even with Magisk.
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Magisk is a tool to allow the phone to be modified without changing the system partition. It can be installed on the stock rom or custom roms. TWRP is used to install Magisk, but TWRP itself doesn't need to be installed. I strongly suggest you read up alot or stick to stock rom.
Any way to get magisk and TWRP on latest stock firmware?
Yes.
If you want both, you might as well install TWRP first since you need to reinstall Magisk after TWRP.
There are guides on the forum but they tend to focus on one or the other.
For OTA updates you'll need to jump through hoops due to the modified partitions.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a2-lite/how-to/10-0-4-0-to-10-0-7-0-ota-keeping-magisk-t3916863
a1291762 said:
Yes.
If you want both, you might as well install TWRP first since you need to reinstall Magisk after TWRP.
There are guides on the forum but they tend to focus on one or the other.
For OTA updates you'll need to jump through hoops due to the modified partitions.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a2-lite/how-to/10-0-4-0-to-10-0-7-0-ota-keeping-magisk-t3916863
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Thanks