So I received my new N5X yesterday and loving it. Typically I root Nexus' right out of the box but this time I decided to give it a shot in stock form. Now I'm looking to unlock the bootloader and root but I have a few questions.
Android Pay - will unlocking my bootloader and rooting the stock ROM break Android Pay?
Encryption - will unlocking my bootloader and rooting the stock ROM prevent me from staying encrypted?
I love the stock ROM but would like to add an ad-blocker, snapprefs (for snapchat), among a couple others.
All help is appreciated!
I don't use Android pay so I can't help you with that.
You only need to take care if you want to keep the phone in un-encrypted.
Encrypted mode is the default anyway so you won't have any problems keeping it encrypted.
You may have some trouble keeping you're encrypted data partition when installing a custom ROM though.
peltus said:
You only need to take care if you want to keep the phone in un-encrypted.
Encrypted mode is the default anyway so you won't have any problems keeping it encrypted.
You may have some trouble keeping you're encrypted data partition when installing a custom ROM though.
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Ah - perfect! No plans for a custom ROM so no worries there.
Anyone have experience with a rooted, stock ROM and Android Pay?
In the following topic they are talking about an exposed app called ' no device check'.
Maybe something to get you started in looking into Android pay:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/marshmallow-xposed-t3249145/page2
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I'm receiving a new Galaxy Nexus in the mail today. I'm new to the Android world but this site has been extremely helpful in explaining the capabilitys of this OS. Since I've never used Android I don't completely understand the pros/cons to rooting my device. A lot of posts say "you have to do it to understand the benefits" or something of that nature. I understand that once you root you can change your ROM, kernel, navigate all file folders, use certain apps that require superuser access, etc. As of now, I'm not sure I'd want to do any of that. I may want to in the future when I see some limitations that could be bypassed by rooting, but for now I would like to keep the stock ROM, kernel, etc.
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct? So it would function the same as a stock device but would have the potential to be modified later. If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device? I'm just thinking that if I'd do it eventually, I might as well do it right now when there are no valuable files/apps/etc. that I'd have to worry about backing up.
People often root to flash aosp roms otherwise not available on htc or galaxy s phones
Aosp also in many cases gave better battery life than their skinned cousins
But on nexus phones and jelly bean I don't see much of one other than to experiment or to use addons like roms such as codename android and baked bean give
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The main reason I root is for Titanium Backup. That is probably the only way to migrate apps (with data) from one device to another.
Also nandroid (Clockworkmod Recovery) backup is useful if you want to experiment with different ROMs and can restore stock and apps easily.
On a side note: Don't like CWM 6 when backup creates a huge BLOB directory structure. Not convenient to backup your backup to PC.
Backups
Free Tethering
Block ads
etc
Tethering is enabled already. Ah u probably must be talking about the us version. I have the international one.
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I root for Paranoid Android and Titanium Backup. Two things I can't be without once getting used to them.
But really. Installing Titanium Backup almost feels like a necessity on Any phone to freeze/backup apps detach them from market etc.
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
bchaney16 said:
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
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Yes you can be stock & rooted. Root by itself will not affect an OTA. The only reason to root is if YOU gain something. If your phone dose everything you want without root then there is no reason to root.
bchaney16 said:
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
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Yes u can stay stock and rooted.
If u root and take an update you will most likely loose root or you will have to unroot before u can take the update. One of the 2.
Biggest disadvantage is that it voids warranty. But no big deal if u no how to go back to stock.
People that don't root probably don't because they don't how, are scared to and/or they don't want to void that precious warranty.
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bchaney16 said:
I appreciate the responses but you guys aren't really answering my questions...
1. It's possible to keep everything stock when rooted, correct?
2. If an updated Android OS version is released, can I download and install it the same as anyone with an unrooted stock device?
3. Is there any disadvantage to rooting? Why would anyone NOT root their device?
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1. Yes
2. Yes. Though root disappears if you update officially OTA. So then you need to re-root. If you would also unlock bootloader and install CWM you can not update OTA.
3. Umm. I guess some manufacturers claims that warranty is void when rooting. That's pretty much the only not-to reason I can think of. If rooted only and don't "use it" you won't even notice you're rooted.
bchaney16 said:
I'm just thinking that if I'd do it eventually, I might as well do it right now when there are no valuable files/apps/etc. that I'd have to worry about backing up.
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It's unlocking the bootlaoder (fastbbot oem unlock) that will (not Play Store devices) wipe the device, not rooting (though the easiest way to root is to unlock the bootloader).
Ok I think its becoming more clear now.
I ordered mine unlocked from the Play Store. Does that mean the bootloader is already unlocked?
How often does an OTA come out anyway?
bchaney16 said:
Ok I think its becoming more clear now.
I ordered mine unlocked from the Play Store. Does that mean the bootloader is already unlocked?
How often does an OTA come out anyway?
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No, that refers to SIM unlocked, not tied to a specific carrier.
[REF] efrant's "Android for Galaxy Nexus" 101 & FAQs
If your new to Android this is a good place to start getting acquainted with the terminoligy & procedures
Right, I know it is carrier unlocked. So a Play Store GNEX still has a locked bootloader but unlocking it does not erase your files...
If that's the case I guess there's no downside to waiting until I see a good reason to unlock and root. I was thinking that I should do this on my brand new phone so that it wouldn't have any files on it that I'd need to backup. It sounds like I wouldn't have to worry about backing up regardless.
The only reason I can think of to unlock the bootloader straight away (& it's arguably a good one) ...
If for some reason your phone won't boot into android you could fastboot boot a custom recovery & have adb access to pull files from the virtual sdcard.
Rooting is the best thing to happen to Android phones. Do it.
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bchaney16 said:
Right, I know it is carrier unlocked. So a Play Store GNEX still has a locked bootloader but unlocking it does not erase your files...
If that's the case I guess there's no downside to waiting until I see a good reason to unlock and root. I was thinking that I should do this on my brand new phone so that it wouldn't have any files on it that I'd need to backup. It sounds like I wouldn't have to worry about backing up regardless.
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Yes it will. Unlocking the bootloader via fastboot oem unlock will erase /sdcard. Does not matter if you get if from the play store or not. But like you said, if the device is brand new it doesn't matter anyway.
Side note: recently an exploit is discovered that allows to gain root without unlocking the bootloader. And if you have root, you can unlock/lock the bootloader at will without losing data. Follow the link in my signature for more info.
Petrovski80 said:
Yes it will. Unlocking the bootloader via fastboot oem unlock will erase /sdcard. Does not matter if you get if from the play store or not. But like you said, if the device is brand new it doesn't matter anyway.
Side note: recently an exploit is discovered that allows to gain root without unlocking the bootloader. And if you have root, you can unlock/lock the bootloader at will without losing data. Follow the link in my signature for more info.
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There were numerous reports that Play Store phones did NOT wipe all data when the bootloader was unlocked, I know mine didn't
3rdstring said:
There were numerous reports that Play Store phones did NOT wipe all data when the bootloader was unlocked, I know mine didn't
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Was your /sdcard partition untouched after oem unlock?
Petrovski80 said:
Was your /sdcard partition untouched after oem unlock?
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Yes, the data partition was untouched. All my apps & sdcard data was still there.
[DISCUSSION] Google Play Nexus not wiping after Bootloader Unlock
This may come off as a silly question but, I"m aware that AT&T and Verizon versions of the Note 4 there is no way to root it permanently but, even if you can temporary root it, is it still possible to install a custom rom? I'm in the process of downgrading from lollipop right now (I hate the new notifications) but just figure I'd ask.
Locked boot loader, no custom ROMs
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Thanks! guess that means i'll stick with kit kat and nova launcher for now.
MO3iusONE said:
This may come off as a silly question but, I"m aware that AT&T and Verizon versions of the Note 4 there is no way to root it permanently but, even if you can temporary root it, is it still possible to install a custom rom? I'm in the process of downgrading from lollipop right now (I hate the new notifications) but just figure I'd ask.
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without permanent root, no there is no way to flash a custom rom, if we get permanent then we can use flashfire or multisystem to flash custom roms (touchwiz only no CM or AOSP variants)
Eliminating ATT bloatware & S-bloatware
cstayton said:
without permanent root, no there is no way to flash a custom rom, if we get permanent then we can use flashfire or multisystem to flash custom roms (touchwiz only no CM or AOSP variants)
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I have been wondering if it may be possible to eliminate all the bloatware from ATT and all bloatware from Samsung, by way of using the Kingroot process > then install Ti-Backup > then DELETE not freeze those applications.
Will such a thing work ? even if one may loose root after rebooting?
I there a possibility that that attempting something like that may cause a major crash on my phone?
In other words, I would like to be able to rid myself from all that bloatware that came with my out of the box N910-A i know about the disable feature on the apps manager, but i want those apps OUT.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can offer.
And I am STILL hoping for PERMA-root sometime in the near future
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I have been wondering if it may be possible to eliminate all the bloatware from ATT and all bloatware from Samsung, by way of using the Kingroot process > then install Ti-Backup > then DELETE not freeze those applications.
Will such a thing work ? even if one may loose root after rebooting?
I there a possibility that that attempting something like that may cause a major crash on my phone?
In other words, I would like to be able to rid myself from all that bloatware that came with my out of the box N910-A i know about the disable feature on the apps manager, but i want those apps OUT.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can offer.
And I am STILL hoping for PERMA-root sometime in the near future
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unfortunately no that wont work, if you delete or modify the system partition IN ANY WAY it will cause the DM_VERITY to kick in. until we get past the OS Verification and write protection we cant delete or modify anything.
collinstheclown said:
Locked boot loader, no custom ROMs
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many devices with locked bootloaders have custom roms, The S5 for instance. it's not the locked bootloader that is preventing custom roms it is the need for permanent root, once we have that we can use flashfire or multirom to flash custom touchwiz roms. what the locked bootloader prevents is the ability to flash custom kernels thus preventing roms based off of CM or AOSP/AOKP
Thank you for your Very fast and friendly reply. Have yourself a good day.
I'm really keen on rooting just for the customisation options. I'd rather not lose warranty for sticking a custom boot animation and custom fonts on the device. In all likelihood that's all I'll ever need root for. I'm assuming this (rooting with a locked bootloader) is possible, but no method has been discovered yet?
In the meantime, any other suggestions on customising the phones font / boot animation? Is this possible without root? I've tried custom launchers (apex, nova, go, the Microsoft one I've forgotten the name of) but honestly prefer the stock one.
I wouldn't say it's possible. At least not in Android versions after Lollipop when Kingroot etc could do the job. That was some time ago though. Sorry, you'll have to unlock bootloader if you want to root that's just the way it is today.
Oh well, guess I'll forego my warranty then. Only another 7 days to go until I can unlock it haha.
the only thing stopping me from rooting is the fact ill lose android pay which ive really become a fan of lately. Before this i rooted every android phone i had. i would advise u to think long and hard before rooting in case u regret it.
sam00561 said:
... ill lose android pay...
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No, you'll not. Just be sure to flash stock nougat rom, not deodexed one. And don't use supersu/phh's, only Magisk. You will get root and certified play store at same. Read my post here for more information :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72382305&postcount=22
given all of the cool options that open up with root, im wondering why NOT do it??
i mean other than no Android Pay, and having to manually flash rather than ota on phone, is there any real downside?
byproxy said:
given all of the cool options that open up with root, im wondering why NOT do it??
i mean other than no Android Pay, and having to manually flash rather than ota on phone, is there any real downside?
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You can use Android Pay with Magisk I believe. Magisk passes saftey net checks.
byproxy said:
given all of the cool options that open up with root, im wondering why NOT do it??
i mean other than no Android Pay, and having to manually flash rather than ota on phone, is there any real downside?
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Those downsides are enough for some, but the biggest PITA is if you didn't unlock your bootloader then you have to factory wipe when you unlock.
Tb0n3 said:
Those downsides are enough for some, but the biggest PITA is if you didn't unlock your bootloader then you have to factory wipe when you unlock.
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well google backsup your app, mms, sms etc and the way you have your phone set up. Easy to restore and takes 30 mins depending on your connection.... I say go for it!
byproxy said:
given all of the cool options that open up with root, im wondering why NOT do it??
i mean other than no Android Pay, and having to manually flash rather than ota on phone, is there any real downside?
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for some it is android pay
but for others
they don't need it anymore
stock rom nowadays give us most of the options that we needed to root for back in the day
i used the pixel 2 without root for 1 week (before it came out )
and the only thing i need it for was adaway and custom kernels
i used non-root adblocker and it's actually worked fine
so if i am stuck with a phone with no root i can live with it
I always root, but the big downsides are around OTAs and needing to jump through hoops from time to time to update.
Finally it's a security issue, particularly a unlocked bootloader, it's super easy to erase pin or pattern locks from twrp. Also malware in a root app could be devastating to any info you access via phone.
byproxy said:
given all of the cool options that open up with root, im wondering why NOT do it??
i mean other than no Android Pay, and having to manually flash rather than ota on phone, is there any real downside?
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Because some security flaws that come along and some malicious apps expose the fact that you have root to be more effective.
If a good and stable rom like Pure Nexus that passes safety net works flawlessly on the Pixel XL 2 then that would probably be enough for me not to root. That would provide enough features and excitement to the already great experience that stock android now provides. Right now, i enjoy root in order to apply adaway and delete system apps if i so choose. Also nice to be able to use different color profiles. I am one of those that loves to be able to use Android Pay while rooted.
elreydenj said:
If a good and stable rom like Pure Nexus that passes safety net works flawlessly on the Pixel XL 2 then that would probably be enough for me not to root. That would provide enough features and excitement to the already great experience that stock android now provides. Right now, i enjoy root in order to apply adaway and delete system apps if i so choose. Also nice to be able to use different color profiles. I am one of those that loves to be able to use Android Pay while rooted.
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I'm just here praying they're working on Resurrection Remix.
I was on PureNexus and decided what the hell and tried RR and it has everything PureNexus has and more.
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I'm just here praying they're working on Resurrection Remix.
I was on PureNexus and decided what the hell and tried RR and it has everything PureNexus has and more.
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Ill keep that in mind. Did RR pass safety net out of the box on the pixel XL?
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Ill keep that in mind. Did RR pass safety net out of the box on the pixel XL?
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I don't remember. Sorry. :/
I used to be an avid rooter and custom rom user. For me, I'm contempt with the stock factory images. May give PureNexus a shot if it comes around.
Besides, I had an incident with Chase Bank once where I was having trouble getting text alerts. After an hour on the phone with support, they noticed and mentioned I had a "tampered" device. Not that my problem had anything to do with my device being tampered with (rooted), and not that I had any modifications which could cause harm to my banking information, but in the long shot case something did ever happen with your money, I'm sure the banks would have no problem pointing their fingers at your phone.
So if a company like Chase scans to see if your device is rooted, I'm sure most app developers do without telling you.
If someone wants to chime in, not exactly sure how apps see it if you have a rom like Resurrection Remix, or PureNexus, and actually dont root it. I wonder if the apps still consider the device tampered with if there is no root access
byproxy said:
given all of the cool options that open up with root, im wondering why NOT do it??
i mean other than no Android Pay, and having to manually flash rather than ota on phone, is there any real downside?
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You can MOST definitely have Android pay with Root in Pixel. That is the beauty of dual partition setup. Have one partition rooted and other non-rooted, with both sharing the same data partition.
I had done this for the past year on the OG Pixel XL. The only time I would need non-root would be for Android pay - I would just boot to the other slot. Use Android pay and then reboot to the previously active slot after finished.
As for Custom ROM - I'm hoping against hope. Hard to imagine life without the features of PN or RR. However, it is not encouraging given that there is no a single OREO based Custom ROM yet for the OG Pixel XL. Who knows how many developers actually end up getting the Pixel 2 XL - which is more expensive. That is the only reason I'm still waiting with bated breath until my return period for Pixel 2 XL expires. Luckily, the One Plus 5t launches on Nov 16th and the reviews would be out soon. I know OP5 has RR custom ROM which is a big deal..
abogrhen said:
for some it is android pay
but for others
they don't need it anymore
stock rom nowadays give us most of the options that we needed to root for back in the day
i used the pixel 2 without root for 1 week (before it came out )
and the only thing i need it for was adaway and custom kernels
i used non-root adblocker and it's actually worked fine
so if i am stuck with a phone with no root i can live with it
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Yes to all this. I haven't rooted since my Galaxy S5. I was perfectly fine with my Nexus 5X stock and do use Android Pay often enough to want to remain unrooted. I actually used to root and install stock-like ROMs so now that I've been getting Google phones, I have no need.
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Been trying to follow up on the latest with this particular model and just want to verify my understanding:
I CANNOT flash a recovery or custom rom to this phone as the US bootloaders are locked (there may be some ways but it still doesn't yield full flashing/capabilities)
I CAN still root this phone
I CAN still de-google & debloat the phone through root access
I realize these are not all model particular and more root basics so the first is the most important question and the rest I am validating my understanding as it's been a while since I've daily drove any rooted device let alone one custom flashed. I think the s2 was my last w/ Cyanogen lol
Thanks to all!
xdainnadiplace said:
Been trying to follow up on the latest with this particular model and just want to verify my understanding:
I CANNOT flash a recovery or custom rom to this phone as the US bootloaders are locked (there may be some ways but it still doesn't yield full flashing/capabilities)
I CAN still root this phone
I CAN still de-google & debloat the phone through root access
I realize these are not all model particular and more root basics so the first is the most important question and the rest I am validating my understanding as it's been a while since I've daily drove any rooted device let alone one custom flashed. I think the s2 was my last w/ Cyanogen lol
Thanks to all!
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You cannot flash a custom recovery but you can flash a GSI (which sort of counts as a ROM), the other two are correct. And yes, flashing a GSI will have tons of bugs so be aware of that.