This may come off as a silly question but, I"m aware that AT&T and Verizon versions of the Note 4 there is no way to root it permanently but, even if you can temporary root it, is it still possible to install a custom rom? I'm in the process of downgrading from lollipop right now (I hate the new notifications) but just figure I'd ask.
Locked boot loader, no custom ROMs
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Thanks! guess that means i'll stick with kit kat and nova launcher for now.
MO3iusONE said:
This may come off as a silly question but, I"m aware that AT&T and Verizon versions of the Note 4 there is no way to root it permanently but, even if you can temporary root it, is it still possible to install a custom rom? I'm in the process of downgrading from lollipop right now (I hate the new notifications) but just figure I'd ask.
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without permanent root, no there is no way to flash a custom rom, if we get permanent then we can use flashfire or multisystem to flash custom roms (touchwiz only no CM or AOSP variants)
Eliminating ATT bloatware & S-bloatware
cstayton said:
without permanent root, no there is no way to flash a custom rom, if we get permanent then we can use flashfire or multisystem to flash custom roms (touchwiz only no CM or AOSP variants)
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I have been wondering if it may be possible to eliminate all the bloatware from ATT and all bloatware from Samsung, by way of using the Kingroot process > then install Ti-Backup > then DELETE not freeze those applications.
Will such a thing work ? even if one may loose root after rebooting?
I there a possibility that that attempting something like that may cause a major crash on my phone?
In other words, I would like to be able to rid myself from all that bloatware that came with my out of the box N910-A i know about the disable feature on the apps manager, but i want those apps OUT.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can offer.
And I am STILL hoping for PERMA-root sometime in the near future
IC-USER1 said:
I have been wondering if it may be possible to eliminate all the bloatware from ATT and all bloatware from Samsung, by way of using the Kingroot process > then install Ti-Backup > then DELETE not freeze those applications.
Will such a thing work ? even if one may loose root after rebooting?
I there a possibility that that attempting something like that may cause a major crash on my phone?
In other words, I would like to be able to rid myself from all that bloatware that came with my out of the box N910-A i know about the disable feature on the apps manager, but i want those apps OUT.
Thanks in advance for any help that you can offer.
And I am STILL hoping for PERMA-root sometime in the near future
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unfortunately no that wont work, if you delete or modify the system partition IN ANY WAY it will cause the DM_VERITY to kick in. until we get past the OS Verification and write protection we cant delete or modify anything.
collinstheclown said:
Locked boot loader, no custom ROMs
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many devices with locked bootloaders have custom roms, The S5 for instance. it's not the locked bootloader that is preventing custom roms it is the need for permanent root, once we have that we can use flashfire or multirom to flash custom touchwiz roms. what the locked bootloader prevents is the ability to flash custom kernels thus preventing roms based off of CM or AOSP/AOKP
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I'm pretty new to Android but I thought to run custom ROMs you had to be rooted but someone mentioned that it might be possible to root, load a custom ROM, then unroot while keeping the custom ROM?
I have corporate email through Mobile Iron and it does not allow rooted devices. I'd like to be able to use a custom ROM but wasn't aware that it might be possible.
Through search I found this but it was somewhat inconclusive and it's for a Galaxy Note: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766538
You can do that, but highly not recommended. The ROM itself might need root access to control certain options. Also, there isn't anything bad about keeping root.
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yes, very possible. you dont need root to have a custom recovery. you can always flash a rom of choice and delete the superuser binaries and app.then you wont have root. and youll still be able to flash other roms(youll have to delete the root stuff again). just temwber that without root some option in the rom wont work.
You don't need to "root" to install a custom ROM. You just need to unlock the bootloader and use a custom recovery to flash it.
After you've installed the ROM, feel free to remove the root access, or simply disallow apps from being granted superuser access. Just be aware that many features in ROMs are created with the assumption that the user will keep the phone rooted, so they may not work properly (or at all) when you remove root privilages.
I am in the same exact situation. I just stumbled upon this post. I run Bugless Beast on my GNex and I asked the dev if it could be unrooted by removing SU and superuser and the answer was yes. I won't find out if thats the case until January, but if you get it to work please post here. I am going to be the admin for our MobileIron deployment but I don't have enough pull to make a separate policy for myself that allows root. Don't really wanna lose my job
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I'm pretty new to Android but I thought to run custom ROMs you had to be rooted but someone mentioned that it might be possible to root, load a custom ROM, then unroot while keeping the custom ROM?
I have corporate email through Mobile Iron and it does not allow rooted devices. I'd like to be able to use a custom ROM but wasn't aware that it might be possible.
Through search I found this but it was somewhat inconclusive and it's for a Galaxy Note: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766538
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Yes you can but shouldn't. Due to because the rom itself might need root access to run. Lets say you overclocked or underclocked then root access is required from when you boot into your phone otherwise. Well I don't know after that. But to answer you question yes you can.
how about if i were to hose my note 8 and need to recover to complete stock. is there anything out yet for the US WIFI version? just wondering as i might wait untill i root, install recovery etc...
I am downloading the UK version as per the suggestions in a post on the first page to this thread. I was told it is the same.I hosed mine trying the multi boot option on one of the dev threads, Cant get to my recovery so I'm kinda screwed.
dvigue said:
how about if i were to hose my note 8 and need to recover to complete stock. is there anything out yet for the US WIFI version? just wondering as i might wait untill i root, install recovery etc...
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Now the only way you can hose your stock firmware is to mess up a flash, or purposefully delete system files in the root.
With that said, you can safely root with Saferoot.zip. It does not flash our change your counter. So a OTA or Kies update will work as if you never touched the device.
Now that you have rooted safely, you can install Xposed framework and it's modules... they will not hose your device as they are boot only system options.
I recommend Ti backup pro, and Solid Explorer but be careful about doing anything in root, as their may be irreparable consequences without a proper ROM.
Now for recovery with a replacement ROM. There will be a new ROM release soon, so when it does come out, it will be available to download. That will be your best option to recover if needed. Note... The only way you will hose a device is through a bad flash. So I would stay away from flashing any custom bootloaders, recoverys, kernels or ROM. Until you read up and are well educated on proper flashing techniques. All I can say is stick with developers threads on the specific model and have given plenty of info on the subject. Never blindly take chances.
As for recovery after saferoot.zip... as long as you never flash afterwards, you will never need triangle away, which is a plus... all you need to do is do a factory restore. Yep, no need to run any un-rooting tools, though you can use Supersu's clean up for reinstall and reboot if you want before doing the factory reset.
I know, I have done plenty of testing with custom and factory ROMs. I have personally found no need for customized bootloaders or roms, once I have found where and what to tweak. What little benefit from the customized options that are available, were too little for the trouble involved.
I actually posted about how to mod your device using Xposed installer and 2 to 3 modules and thats all you need to get that really cool custom look if thats what you are going for. With Gravity Box and HK Themer you can mod away semi safely. You still need to be careful with any mod that makes changes in system.
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Hey all!
First Nexus device ever here, and I'm loving it! I've long been an amateur tinkerer with Android things (I've been through the Droid X, Bionic, Razr, Razr Maxx, and currently rocking the SGS3; Tablet wise I've had the OG Nook Color pimped out with Cyanogenmod, the HP Touchpad with Android, and more recently an Asus TF201 Transformer Prime).
Needless to say, I'm not completely useless with this type of stuff! I am, however, a little curious as to the rooting / unlocking process.
1) It looks like you need to unlock to root this device? Just double checking because that's new to me. (yes, I already know you lose your data if you do)
2) If I unlock / root but don't change the system files other than the custom recovery, can I still flash the OTAs when they come? I am not currently interested in a custom ROM, and I know I won't actually be PROMPTED for the OTAs if I have a custom recovery, but can I simply sideload the official update .zip and install via TWRP? Or is that impossible? I also understand Voodoo would be necessary (or re-rooting if Voodoo doesn't work on the update)
3) If 2 is impossible, what is the procedure to install official updates while rooted / unlocked?
Sorry for all the questions! Any help is appreciated
Yes. Unlock is needed. But it is sooo easy on Nexus: fastboot oem unlock
Now, with OTAs, I would stick with a stock deodex or odex ROM and just update when your dev updates. Trust me, saves a lot of headache.
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Yes. Unlock is needed. But it is sooo easy on Nexus: fastboot oem unlock
Now, with OTAs, I would stick with a stock deodex or odex ROM and just update when your dev updates. Trust me, saves a lot of headache.
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Thanks for the quick response! See the thing was, I didn't want to have to have to flash a ROM because I like how quickly Nexus devices get updated and I'm worried it'll be delayed by that process.. I'm not even certain I need to root yet anyway haha..My phone is rooted (mostly for hotspot, wireless adb, etc.), but I've yet to come across a compelling reason to root the N7 in the first place. Can anyone offer some examples?
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Thanks for the quick response! See the thing was, I didn't want to have to have to flash a ROM because I like how quickly Nexus devices get updated and I'm worried it'll be delayed by that process.. I'm not even certain I need to root yet anyway haha..My phone is rooted (mostly for hotspot, wireless adb, etc.), but I've yet to come across a compelling reason to root the N7 in the first place. Can anyone offer some examples?
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Titanium backup. Adblockers. Etc. If you don't got a reason to root. Don't
Here's my Nexus 7 rooting notes (I use fedora linux on my system and root from there):
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/hardware/nexus7/hacking.html
you are always safe with nexus
all nexus devices have stock images located on google's site and they are flashable in fastboot so you will never be outdated only these methods you will lose your data my suggestion is with whatever you do in your tinkering is back up everything just to be safe and make data recovery a breeze good luck
albundy2010 said:
Titanium backup. Adblockers. Etc. If you don't got a reason to root. Don't
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I don't use Titanium Backup, and I don't use adblockers on principal (I'm an app developer and make most of my revenue from ad clicks).
At this point, I'm thinking I'm just not going to go through the trouble if I can't think of a specific reason to. Thanks everyone.
There is plenty of ways to root and unlock with AIO's out there but there is no point of really doing it at this moment as there is not that much development for N7-2
I would suggest you do the unlock, even if you don't plan on using custom recovery or rooting at this time.
Otherwise if you find something where you need root or custom recovery for in the future, you'll end up wiping your data then, after everything is set up and you've installed your apps.
Unlocking won't affect your ability to receive OTAs and neither will installing root.
Custom recovery can affect your ability to receive OTAs, but you actually don't need to install custom recovery to root. You can just temporarily boot into twrp or cwm (ie don't write the custom recovery onto your phone) and run the update.zip for SuperSU. Use fastboot boot twrp.img to do a one-time boot into custom recovery.
Hello all! I have just acquired a Note 10.1 2014 Edition! However, the one thing that's sort of bothering me is the lack of root. I also have a Note 3 that's rooted and it's amazing, so I would like that experience on my new tablet as well. My only fear is KNOX; Because my model is the Wi-Fi (P600) edition, there is no version of a root that keeps the KNOX flag at 0x0. With that said, I have a few questions:
1. If I root my tablet, is there any chance of me later on upgrading the system software of my device (Say, Lollipop later on when it's released)? I know OTA is out of the question when rooted.
2. Other than the KNOX applications, does the KNOX flag limit the usage of my device in any other way (for example, Miracast, HDCP, etc.)?
3. How limited am it to software changes on my phone with the KNOX flag enabled (I'm not talking apps, but system changes like bootloader, firmware, recovery, etc. Essentially, would I be able to install a custom bootloader and/or recovery after my KNOX flag is set to 0x1?)?
I have tried looking up the answers to these questions, but the sources I found have confused me. I'm not worried about my warranty either.
I also like to see those questions answered
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1. If I root my tablet, is there any chance of me later on upgrading the system software of my device (Say, Lollipop later on when it's released)? I know OTA is out of the question when rooted.
2. Other than the KNOX applications, does the KNOX flag limit the usage of my device in any other way (for example, Miracast, HDCP, etc.)?
3. How limited am it to software changes on my phone with the KNOX flag enabled (I'm not talking apps, but system changes like bootloader, firmware, recovery, etc. Essentially, would I be able to install a custom bootloader and/or recovery after my KNOX flag is set to 0x1?)?
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1.) Odds are we will see 5.0-based ROMs before an OTA update for our specific device, so don't worry. On a previous tablet, I went from 3.2 to an OTA 4.0, then rooted and flashed a 4.1 ROM (CM10). The great part is, Toshiba never pushed anything past a horribly buggy 4.0 for it. Not only can you upgrade your software in the future, you'll have better options, more options, and (in all liklihood) earlier access.
2.) Not that I know of. I'm running all of my apps perfectly and have only had one feature not work on an Xposed module (hide WiFi on Wanam Xposed module), though I can't attribute that to KNOX in any way.
3.) I've never tried installing a custom bootloader or recovery, so unfortunately I can't answer that with any degree of certainty.
computerlife22 said:
1. If I root my tablet, is there any chance of me later on upgrading the system software of my device (Say, Lollipop later on when it's released)? I know OTA is out of the question when rooted.
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Yes. You can always upgrade by downloading firmware via a site like sammobile.com and flashing that via ODIN, or using Kies to automatically download the latest firmware and flash it to your device. Either of those methods will result in you losing root. If a root method exists for the updated firmware, you can re-root.
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2. Other than the KNOX applications, does the KNOX flag limit the usage of my device in any other way (for example, Miracast, HDCP, etc.)?
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No. Screen mirroring (and possibly other features, but that's the only one I know of) will refuse to work if you have a custom recovery installed. You can get around this by reflashing stock recovery, or making an edit to a system file.
computerlife22 said:
3. How limited am it to software changes on my phone with the KNOX flag enabled (I'm not talking apps, but system changes like bootloader, firmware, recovery, etc. Essentially, would I be able to install a custom bootloader and/or recovery after my KNOX flag is set to 0x1?)?
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I don't believe there are any custom bootloaders available, but you can flash a custom ROM/recovery easily.
Decided to root... but how?
Okay, thanks guys. I've decided that I would like to take the plunge and root my tablet. However, I'm confused on how I should. What method should I use to root my tablet? I'm running KitKat 4.4.2 version NI1.
Would this still work?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2490805
Here you go, step by step.
There are also YouTube videos on rooting our tablets (albeit with different files for an earlier version) that show you the process. I like using them when rooting devices so I can visualize the steps and actually see how it's done rather than just reading about it.
So I received my new N5X yesterday and loving it. Typically I root Nexus' right out of the box but this time I decided to give it a shot in stock form. Now I'm looking to unlock the bootloader and root but I have a few questions.
Android Pay - will unlocking my bootloader and rooting the stock ROM break Android Pay?
Encryption - will unlocking my bootloader and rooting the stock ROM prevent me from staying encrypted?
I love the stock ROM but would like to add an ad-blocker, snapprefs (for snapchat), among a couple others.
All help is appreciated!
I don't use Android pay so I can't help you with that.
You only need to take care if you want to keep the phone in un-encrypted.
Encrypted mode is the default anyway so you won't have any problems keeping it encrypted.
You may have some trouble keeping you're encrypted data partition when installing a custom ROM though.
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You only need to take care if you want to keep the phone in un-encrypted.
Encrypted mode is the default anyway so you won't have any problems keeping it encrypted.
You may have some trouble keeping you're encrypted data partition when installing a custom ROM though.
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Ah - perfect! No plans for a custom ROM so no worries there.
Anyone have experience with a rooted, stock ROM and Android Pay?
In the following topic they are talking about an exposed app called ' no device check'.
Maybe something to get you started in looking into Android pay:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/marshmallow-xposed-t3249145/page2