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Do Official OTA Updates and Factory Resets Work After Rooting?

Maybe someone can throw a new guy a bone here? ....
One thing I had on my jailbroken iPhone was free tethering. My Xfinity went down the other day and I realized I couldn't tether my new Android without paying AT$T. So from what I understand, like the iPhone I need to root it and then download a third party tethering app?
If I root now, I'll probably be tempted to give Black Jelly or Frost ROMs a try. I know with this 'Odin' program or 'Nandroid' backup with CWP (still figuring all this out) I can switch between ROMS pretty easily. It takes me about an hour though to download all my apps and reconfig my phone after a reset though. I think Titanium backup or something solves this, but seems to me using something like that with custom ROM, as opposed to a 'clean' install and just start installing/configuring from scratch may pose higher risk of having issues?
So my question is, if I root and install custom ROM, how hard is it to get the official update installed, or any more official future updates installed if I decide I don't want to stay on a custom ROM?
Being an experimental person and my first time to Android, I'm sure I'm going to eventually cave (for sure root) and try a custom ROM. I see SO many posts though in these ROM forums with all sorts of little issues. I want to go back to stock and get official updates if I need to.

When the official jb drops there will most likely be some debloated version on here in a day or so. If you're rooted with a custom recovery it will take no time to install. I would also seriously consider titanium backup, it makes the process much easier.
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OTA after Rooting - Yes and No....
jazee said:
Maybe someone can throw a new guy a bone here? ....
So my question is, if I root and install custom ROM, how hard is it to get the official update installed, or any more official future updates installed if I decide I don't want to stay on a custom ROM?
Being an experimental person and my first time to Android, I'm sure I'm going to eventually cave (for sure root) and try a custom ROM. I see SO many posts though in these ROM forums with all sorts of little issues. I want to go back to stock and get official updates if I need to.
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There are two issues you mention: 1) Having a custom ROM and doing an Custom OTA, and 2) OTA with stock ROM and after you you have rooted your phone.
Stock ROM and OTA after Rooting
In times past, there have been vendors that look for rooting and refused to OTA the phone. Citing it violated warantee, contract, whatever. AT&T use to do it, but with current ROMs, especially with the S3, they simply turn off the SUID bit on /system/xbin/su during the update.(They turn off the Root modification, of sorts). The current OTA of 4.0.4 does this trick. Making near impossible to root afterwards.
Usually it is always best to flash back to stock to insure you get a clean OTA.
Some versions of rooting will allow you to keep root even after OTA, but I would not count on it.
The other issue that some forget is any modification to the ROM may trip a counter which may cause OTA's to fail. In the S3 there is a counter on how many times the ROM has been flashed by custom software. Once it is tripped, any warantee you have on the device is voided. You can see the information when you set your phone into flash mode.
There are programs to reset the counter, and other methods, but it gets pretty ugly and you can hard brick your phone in some cases. Just use them with care.
Custom ROM and OTA after Rooting
With custom ROM's rooting is the norm. OTA's will usually not affect them. In fact some OTA's will include updated 'su' programs. There are some custom ROM's that are not able to OTA.

So it sounds to me like if I plan on rooting to get the free tethering, I should always wait until there's a stock ROM available here and manually install it? That way, I don't lose my root and I don't increase the counter unnecessarily?
Thanks for your help.

SM-P600

Hi All
Let me start with few good things here You guys are amazing helping and providing tweaks for us:good:
I am Nexus user. I have Installed Custom Recovery, Flashed ROMs and rooted my Nexus 4 and Nexus 5. This is my First Samsung Tablet. I have waited enough for Nexus 10 (2). I finally bought SM-P600.
I was trying to find an Guide with links for Unlocking bootloader and Updating firmware and then flash Custom recovery for this but coudnt figure it out
I have been reading lots of things about Knox and counters related to it.
Can anyone Please help me find answers straight.
1) Any Rooting and Custom Recovery tools or ADB commands without Hitting the KNOX counter {Just In case IF I wanted to return it} If not then which one you recommend ?
By the Way I found few posts related to Rooting Which has confused me more. I used to use Chainfire SUROOT:
Rooting using CF-AUTO Root
Universal Root de la Vega
2) If I Root and want to use Stock ROM of SM-P600 will all apps work normally or any known issues with it ?
3) Is Odin any tool which everyone is taking about ? I am not sure about it Can you provide any links to its dev for more info. Found it about in a Post to return to STOCK ?
4) Are these ROMS and apps Odexed or Deodexed ROM?
5) Any Dependencies for Firmware and with any of the above questions. I mean In Universal Root I saw they were talking about certain version of firmware. Also Should I update the latest firmware and do a Nandriod backup ?
6) Also read that once KNOX counter goes up, I wont get any OTA ? My Plan is I will use it till next Nexus and will give it to parents with stock ROM. If I am using I can always use an Custom Rom and get updates. But for parents I want to return it to stock so that they can easily update when OTA is available.
I would like to make one more suggestion to MOD's Please Pin the Guides like the Rooting and stuff like Return to Stock which are quite common and useful so that its easy for newbies( aka for Samsung) like me.
Thanks
Zaib.

1. This is not really a single question with a single answer I think vaguely what you are asking is if you can root without tripping knox?
Nope. Not at this time.
2. If you use CF-Auto-Root you'll likely find that the vast majority of applications keep working without issue. Of those that don't, a handful you can manage back to a working state with various tweaks, but there are a few that are probably gone for good. You can basically kiss all the Samsung hub apps goodbye, these will start claiming they are not supported in your country even if they were working perfectly prior to rooting, some may continue working for a short time after but eventually something leaks and your access is cut. Screen mirroring will no longer work though this can be fixed with a small zip file flash. OTA updates are also gone.
Forget all the talk about 'triangle away' fixing any of this, it hasn't for me.
3. Odin is a tool that is able to flash firmware files or parts thereof to your device. Heimdall is an alternative suite of applications, while there is a GUI for it, it seems fairly hit and miss on Linux these days, I've never had much luck with it, on the other hand the command line tools work perfectly fine.
Once you trip Knox, there's no turning back! You won't lose your warranty in any meaningful way, but you may end up having to argue about it and drag in government regulators to get your tablet repaired free of charge depending on the dealer response.
4. I don't think this is particularly relevant to the SM-P600. My subjective opinion would be to stick with the bog standard Samsung ROM. If you want cool themes there are a multitude of launchers, Xposed takes care most other things you might ever care to tweak.
5. You have one choice. CF-Auto-Root. Backups are healthy.
6. True, but you'll still be able to flash via Odin so it doesn't really mean much of anything. Once you trip Knox, you can also kiss OTA updates goodbye as well.

What to do
My tab crash while flashing twrp

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What to do
My tab crash while flashing twrp
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How are you flashing TWRP, through recovery or Odin?

Noob ROM user - help with 1st ROM install, please

Hope this the right place to post - please let me know if not.
I have the Sprint G3. I rooted (being a first time rooter at that time) within a few weeks of getting the phone. Frankly, I don't recall how I rooted it, but I think it was using Stump'd. In any case, root went fine, installed, SU, and been using some of the Framework apps like tweaksbox.
Okay, here's what I need some help with:
I think I need to unroot the phone, return it to factory stock, and then reroot before flashing a ROM to it. Is that correct?
I've seen a couple of threads here with instructions, but I don't follow/understand much of the terminology. Hence, is this page good to use to help me - http://lgg3root.com/lg-g3-root/how-t...nbrick-lg-g3/?
Secondly, once returned to factory srock ROM, will I have to OTA update to the most current version for Sprint before rerooting? I think I've read that the current stock ROM is not yet rootable?
Third, I really want to flash a ROM because I think it will result in a lighter weight ROM to conserve battery power and because I really want to theme the phone beyond what I can do now rotted with icon packs and tweaksbox. Is the CM ROM lighter weight and will I realize better battery performance?
Lastly, I'm hesitant to install a custom ROM because I'm afraid of losing phone, data, sms, gps services. I think this after reading the custome ROM threads and see complaints regarding users not having services available or connectivity issues. Is this a legit concern or am I overthinking this?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions, tips, and feedback.

JMak00 said:
Hope this the right place to post - please let me know if not.
I have the Sprint G3. I rooted (being a first time rooter at that time) within a few weeks of getting the phone. Frankly, I don't recall how I rooted it, but I think it was using Stump'd. In any case, root went fine, installed, SU, and been using some of the Framework apps like tweaksbox.
Okay, here's what I need some help with:
I think I need to unroot the phone, return it to factory stock, and then reroot before flashing a ROM to it. Is that correct?
I've seen a couple of threads here with instructions, but I don't follow/understand much of the terminology. Hence, is this page good to use to help me - http://lgg3root.com/lg-g3-root/how-t...nbrick-lg-g3/?
Secondly, once returned to factory srock ROM, will I have to OTA update to the most current version for Sprint before rerooting? I think I've read that the current stock ROM is not yet rootable?
Third, I really want to flash a ROM because I think it will result in a lighter weight ROM to conserve battery power and because I really want to theme the phone beyond what I can do now rotted with icon packs and tweaksbox. Is the CM ROM lighter weight and will I realize better battery performance?
Lastly, I'm hesitant to install a custom ROM because I'm afraid of losing phone, data, sms, gps services. I think this after reading the custome ROM threads and see complaints regarding users not having services available or connectivity issues. Is this a legit concern or am I overthinking this?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions, tips, and feedback.
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First lets start with returning to Stock ROM. No, no you definitely do not need to return to stock factory ROM to flash a new one. Since you already are rooted all you need is a TWRP recovery.
To flash TWRP recovery to your device (Sprint G3) use this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/orig-development/bump-unlock-lg-g3-twrp-sprint-t2900588
It's very easy for a begginer to achive this. If you don't want to use adb, fell free to download flashify and flash the downloaded TWRP image from thread above with it.
It's even easier with flashify.
Yes CM ROM is lighter, closer to stock android, not the LG one. If you really want better battery experience you should also look up different kernels, different governors, more adavanced stuff, nothing too much.
You don't need to be scared of flashing ROMs. It's a very basic task these days.
Losing data, calling ability or other thing is very unlikely. Of course mistakes happen so be careful. First thing to do before flashing anything on your device after instaling your TWRP recovery is to do a backup.
ALWAYS DO A BACKUP OF ALL IMPORTANT PARTITIONS ON YOUR DEVICE.
To get your custom ROMs, including CM look up these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/orig-development
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development
Also be careful to flash things made only for your device (Sprint LG G3).

Very helpful and thanks.
To show off my noobness... Do custom ROMs have customer kernels or do I install a customer kernel as well as a custom ROM?

Yes, they do come with custom kernels.
But you could change kernel for some other one if you wish for.
I personally use Blisspop 3.7 on my LG G3 D855 with kernel that came with it 777 by 777jon.

Thanks, now to twrp, flash new rom and install cm 12 theme. Fingers crossed I dont go ham and brick the device.

[Q] From rooted Kitkat to Lollipop

Hi!
My Z1C is rooted, has dualrecovery and is running a stock 4.4.2 (14.3.a.0.757)
I also have a lot of customizations via XPosed.
What would be the easiest way to upgrade to a Lollipop version? Someone suggested I can just upgrade and use towelroot afterwards to regain root, but I could not find any verification of that.
Is it safer to flash a pre-rooted zip and if so can anyone point to a decent source?
Also, will XPosed Framework still be functional on Lollipop? I hear there are so many headachy changes to the security layout that I am not sure of that, but right now I'Äd feel safer with a version that has Stagefright fixed...
Let me know what you think!
Thanks

Walter_White said:
Hi!
My Z1C is rooted, has dualrecovery and is running a stock 4.4.2 (14.3.a.0.757)
I also have a lot of customizations via XPosed.
What would be the easiest way to upgrade to a Lollipop version? Someone suggested I can just upgrade and use towelroot afterwards to regain root, but I could not find any verification of that.
Is it safer to flash a pre-rooted zip and if so can anyone point to a decent source?
Also, will XPosed Framework still be functional on Lollipop? I hear there are so many headachy changes to the security layout that I am not sure of that, but right now I'Äd feel safer with a version that has Stagefright fixed...
Let me know what you think!
Thanks
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AFAIK, there is currently no 'one click' root for 5.1. There is a thread about a Kingroot-to-Supersu method that I can verify works for 5.0.2. You can root 5.1, but either by fastboot, (requiring unlocked bl), or downgrade method, (which you're already on step 1 with KK). There seems to be varied reports about PRFs, but I'm sure you can find a good one by now. I think the main question is if you're hoping to save app data, Xposed settings, etc., to restore afterwards. If so, I would say it's very iffy. You could try Titanium or something, but I wouldn't be surprised if you get some glitches.
As far as Xposed, it works great on 5.0 or 5.1, and there's new developments coming steadily.
Search Z1c 'general', and 'android development' forums for downloads, etc.

Forgot to mention, BL is unlocked with dualrecovery.
Thanks for your advice so far. Root procedure for 5.1 with unlocked BL is already outlined in a thread here?
And yeah, I agree, trying to save app data / settings is bordering on impossible now, I fear TiBackup has outlived its usefulness when it comes to ROM migration. Spent half of today getting my Z1C apps to Z5C and still not nearly half done.
Damn gremlins.

Walter_White said:
Forgot to mention, BL is unlocked with dualrecovery.
Thanks for your advice so far. Root procedure for 5.1 with unlocked BL is already outlined in a thread here?
And yeah, I agree, trying to save app data / settings is bordering on impossible now, I fear TiBackup has outlived its usefulness when it comes to ROM migration. Spent half of today getting my Z1C apps to Z5C and still not nearly half done.
Damn gremlins.
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To root with unlocked bl, flash stock ROM w/ Flashtool, then flash this with fastboot -http://forum.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-z1-compact/general/ub-root-init-d-support-recovery-busybox-t3202799 - done. Then you can install Xposed, custom kernel, etc..

Thanks!
Will try this as soon as I managed to migrate my stuff fully to my new Z5C. Migration without TiBackup is a real PITA

Just making sure, when using your route "flash any stock and then follow up with the mentioned file" it means I can jump straigfht from 4.4.2 into the 5 era? Or Do I have to go to 5 for some compatibility reasons. I recall there was something like this sometime back when there was a major new version.
As far my planned procedure for tmw is:
TWRP backup
CWM backup
TiBackup
copying required stuff to the computer
then flash http://forum.xda-developers.com/son...al/stock-14-6-0-368-ce1-dualrecovery-t3216740 as this seems to be the most recent version including updates of the recoveries, pre-rooting already combined. This saves me the step from bone stock to pre-rooted stock as I would have to make in your suggestion.
Also, I want to as well try to use the DRM Feature Fix Mod (http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xperia-z1-z2-z3-series-devices-drm-t2930672), so I will flash the LP version of that one afterwards.
This should work, or am I missing anything significant? I can very well toss the data, the Z5C is now my main phone,, the Z1C has been given a 2nd life with a new backplate and battery I just put in so I'd hate to brick it.
Please confirm that I have a general idea of what I am doing lol... Using flashtool etc. is known to me but selecting the right ROMs remains a mystery unless you follow XDA daily...
Much appreciated

Walter_White said:
Just making sure, when using your route "flash any stock and then follow up with the mentioned file" it means I can jump straigfht from 4.4.2 into the 5 era? Or Do I have to go to 5 for some compatibility reasons. I recall there was something like this sometime back when there was a major new version.
As far my planned procedure for tmw is:
TWRP backup
CWM backup
TiBackup
copying required stuff to the computer
then flash http://forum.xda-developers.com/son...al/stock-14-6-0-368-ce1-dualrecovery-t3216740 as this seems to be the most recent version including updates of the recoveries, pre-rooting already combined. This saves me the step from bone stock to pre-rooted stock as I would have to make in your suggestion.
Also, I want to as well try to use the DRM Feature Fix Mod (http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xperia-z1-z2-z3-series-devices-drm-t2930672), so I will flash the LP version of that one afterwards.
This should work, or am I missing anything significant? I can very well toss the data, the Z5C is now my main phone,, the Z1C has been given a 2nd life with a new backplate and battery I just put in so I'd hate to brick it.
Please confirm that I have a general idea of what I am doing lol... Using flashtool etc. is known to me but selecting the right ROMs remains a mystery unless you follow XDA daily...
Much appreciated
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Sorry, not sure if you were responding to me... As far as backing up and restoring data, I can't say for sure what's best, going from kk to lp. If you're going from stock to stock, probably built-in Google backup would do the trick. 3rd party stuff is chancy when switching versions in my experience, but Titanium might do OK. I don't think you can backup any kk data in recovery, then restore it on lp. Maybe someone else can tell you otherwise. As far as root in on lp, with unlocked bl, all you need is to flash stock ROM in flash mode with Flashtool, then flash the IMG I linked. - done.

Should I root my Nexus 7?

Will it be good to root my Nexus 7 and what will be the precautions that should be taken after rooting it ,as I have heard about accidentally update can u make it clear for me.
And I also want to know that will I lose Android updates after rooting or custom ROM as Android update is the best part of Nexus.
I also want to know should I root my Nexus 7 (2013) or custom ROM it first.
Please give a brief sketch about custom ROM and rooting .which is safe ,easier,and how to root and custom ROM Nexus 7 and what are the precautions to be taken while doing this.
I would be very thankful for u...

Before you root I recommend you back up your data. Then unlock the bootloader. This will wipe all your data. Root has pros and cons. For starters, if you are on 5.0+ it's updates will fail to install. There are many to it techniques, but the easiest for me was to use the nexus root toolkit by wugfresh. Custom operating systems usually have more features, but usually more bugs as well. I own two nexus 7s. One is running 5.1.1 with the latest version of Xposed, the other has the custom ROM called VRToxin which is far more buggy but at the same time far more feature filled. If you install one, ALWAYS follow the instructions to a tee. Lastly, what I love most about root is the apps. Adaway removes ads from all apps. Titanium backup a lows me to backup all apps and there data. Root is usually safe, just be careful.

Toxicsleet said:
Will it be good to root my Nexus 7 and what will be the precautions that should be taken after rooting it ,as I have heard about accidentally update can u make it clear for me.
And I also want to know that will I lose Android updates after rooting or custom ROM as Android update is the best part of Nexus.
I also want to know should I root my Nexus 7 (2013) or custom ROM it first.
Please give a brief sketch about custom ROM and rooting .which is safe ,easier,and how to root and custom ROM Nexus 7 and what are the precautions to be taken while doing this.
I would be very thankful for u...
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You should root if you want more features, want to customize more. But you should be ready to invest time and read through forum posts to learn more. You should not root if you are happy with what you have got and is not ready to take some risks. Of course it is not risky it you do your homework before doing anything and follow instructions clearly. Yes, you will lose OTA updates. But it doesn't matter. You can always flash the latest stock ROM if you want, which will be available right here in XDA.
If you want to root, first thing you should do is to unlock the bootloader. You can use any of the toolkits available to do that. Then only you can root. Unlocking the bootloader will wipe your data. (I don't remember if the internal storage is wiped, look it up) But after this first instance of data loss, then it's more easy. You can do backups and clean install, or dirty flash. You should install a custom bootloader (like TWRP). I use the multirom TWRP. Multirom is interesting which will allow you to install more than one ROM at once and dual boot easily. You can look up about it. You can then install any ROM you want.
Now sticking with the stock ROM or going for a custom one is your preference. Custom ROMs have many features baked right in. Some custom Roms (like cyanogenmod) even has OTA updates. Personally I like to use stockish ROM and use xposed to get the features I want. Xposed is another super tool which you should look at.
Now talking about precautions, always do a backup before doing anything. This is the no. 1 and the most important one. Personally, I have never done any backing up till now. But I am just careless and have been very lucky. Also, Google is getting better at doing app backups automatically. And most of my data is uploaded to the cloud anyway. As far as I know, it is impossible to hard brick Nexus 7. That means you can always rectify any problems that arise by giving your time. Unless you do something which damages the hardware.
Your friend is this forum. Read through posts and learn things. But be prepared to lose a lot of your time. You are warned!!

Hi I am convinced that I want to root my Nexus 7 2013 LTE & remain on stock MMB29V. I have tried using NRT to root however always ended in bootloop & have to reflash stock under softbrick condition. Please point me to a tutorial that works thanks

iluvatrix said:
Hi I am convinced that I want to root my Nexus 7 2013 LTE & remain on stock MMB29V. I have tried using NRT to root however always ended in bootloop & have to reflash stock under softbrick condition. Please point me to a tutorial that works thanks
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Read the FAQ linked in the OP of the NRT thread...
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Unlocking and rooting is easy. In order for obtaining root to be beneficial, you have to know how it works. Somewhere between trial-and-error and reading is where knowledge is gained, and knowledge trumps everything in the world of software modification. I never bothered asking any questions, but spent thousands of hours trying and reading for myself.

pmhashir said:
You should root if you want more features, want to customize more. But you should be ready to invest time and read through forum posts to learn more. You should not root if you are happy with what you have got and is not ready to take some risks. Of course it is not risky it you do your homework before doing anything and follow instructions clearly. Yes, you will lose OTA updates. But it doesn't matter. You can always flash the latest stock ROM if you want, which will be available right here in XDA.
If you want to root, first thing you should do is to unlock the bootloader. You can use any of the toolkits available to do that. Then only you can root. Unlocking the bootloader will wipe your data. (I don't remember if the internal storage is wiped, look it up) But after this first instance of data loss, then it's more easy. You can do backups and clean install, or dirty flash. You should install a custom bootloader (like TWRP). I use the multirom TWRP. Multirom is interesting which will allow you to install more than one ROM at once and dual boot easily. You can look up about it. You can then install any ROM you want.
Now sticking with the stock ROM or going for a custom one is your preference. Custom ROMs have many features baked right in. Some custom Roms (like cyanogenmod) even has OTA updates. Personally I like to use stockish ROM and use xposed to get the features I want. Xposed is another super tool which you should look at.
Now talking about precautions, always do a backup before doing anything. This is the no. 1 and the most important one. Personally, I have never done any backing up till now. But I am just careless and have been very lucky. Also, Google is getting better at doing app backups automatically. And most of my data is uploaded to the cloud anyway. As far as I know, it is impossible to hard brick Nexus 7. That means you can always rectify any problems that arise by giving your time. Unless you do something which damages the hardware.
Your friend is this forum. Read through posts and learn things. But be prepared to lose a lot of your time. You are warned!!
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Hey tank u alot for ur answer . It has helped me alot and made me clear but can u tell me more briefly about about coistom boot loader TWRP and multirom is kind of coustom ROM or what?? And which are the OTA updates receiving roms ??? After rooting if I hav a coustom ROM ,should I need to install OTA updates external??? And installing OTA updates externaly is wat called flash ???is it a too lenghty procss .
But bro tumbs up to your answer ....thank you alottt.....?????????