I recently purchased Oneplus 2 after my previous phone Oneplus One. I got sick at the rate of development of OPT and just order Nexus 5x and here too I'm seeing that there are very few custom ROMs. I'm wondering whether this phone too suffers from development restrictions as OPT? OPT has several proprietory drivers which are halting development. As I can see, OPO and Nexus 6p both have tons of Marshmallow based ROMs.
Are the developers yet to jump on this device? Or are there other issues? I have limited ROM building abilities and would try to build some popular ROMs once I get my hands on this device. Please share your knowledge.
I'm wondering the same thing. Development was awesome on hammerhead- I thought it would be the same with the 5X.
I'm surprised too.
Sorry to this noob qn but its been a while since i had toucher custom roms. What is the difference between original android development and android development? IIRC, OAD is for CM roms related whereas AD is for 3rd party customised.
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Sorry to this noob qn but its been a while since i had toucher custom roms. What is the difference between original android development and android development? IIRC, OAD is for CM roms related whereas AD is for 3rd party customised.
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This http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/orig-development/guides-rules-posting-original-t3208283 explains the difference.
I see only about 25% more ROMs for the 6P than the 5X, I count 16 here. It is probably just that more developers went for the 6P with the larger size, front facing speakers and 3GB of RAM.
From what I gather, Google is hell bent on making android a flashoholic's nightmare. But there is no need to worry because of this huge developers' community. I'm sure there will be an alternative to Google's android.
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From what I gather, Google is hell bent on making android a flashoholic's nightmare. But there is no need to worry because of this huge developers' community. I'm sure there will be an alternative to Google's android.
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Can you share a bit of what your have gathered? Sources would be nice.
I'd actually like to hear from the ROM developers on this subject.
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From what I gather, Google is hell bent on making android a flashoholic's nightmare. But there is no need to worry because of this huge developers' community. I'm sure there will be an alternative to Google's android.
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Are you kidding me? That is such an incorrect statement. Other devices never have bootloaders that can be unlocked as easily as nexus devices or unlocking a bootloader on other devices will void your warranty.. Nexus devices have always been developer friendly have actually were always meant to be developer devices, not devices for the end user.
Hell they are more open that any other manufacturer. What device OEM do you know of that releases all rom source code? Kernel code all oems have to release, but not rom code. Why is it that aosp roms for other devices need to be hacked together to work right? Because the manufacturer does not release the binaries needed to do a proper build. Google releases these binaries for every nexus device so you can build the whole system from source without hacking things together to work. So your statement is totally false..
What phone do you know of that you can build the whole system and flash it to your phone and have it work? Besides nexus devices you really can't.. Not a rom released by OEM anyway.
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Can you share a bit of what your have gathered? Sources would be nice.
I'd actually like to hear from the ROM developers on this subject.
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Are you kidding me? That is such an incorrect statement. Other devices never have bootloaders that can be unlocked as easily as nexus devices or unlocking a bootloader on other devices will void your warranty.. Nexus devices have always been developer friendly have actually were always meant to be developer devices, not devices for the end user.
Hell they are more open that any other manufacturer. What device OEM do you know of that releases all rom source code? Kernel code all oems have to release, but not rom code. Why is it that aosp roms for other devices need to be hacked together to work right? Because the manufacturer does not release the binaries needed to do a proper build. Google releases these binaries for every nexus device so you can build the whole system from source without hacking things together to work. So your statement is totally false..
What phone do you know of that you can build the whole system and flash it to your phone and have it work? Besides nexus devices you really can't.. Not a rom released by OEM anyway.
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Merely allowing bootloaders to be unlocked does not mean that Google is developer friendly. Now, look at the ugly warnings that pop up as soon as you unlock the bootloader of bullhead. Didn't happen when I used mako. And supporting developers doesn't mean only hardware, even if you look at software, rooting has become so difficult. Earlier, it was as simple as installing a custom recovery and flashing binaries. Now, its a long story. Moreover, as soon as you root Marshmallow, certain features such as Android Pay get screwed up (although I never use those features, have read a lot of complaints about this). Do you consider these moves developer friendly? I don't.
im thinking 6p was a better option for developers to buy meanwhile the 5x owned by consumers and those who want a smaller phone.
i was planning to unlock my bootloader right now but i realised i dont have a usb-c to usb cable so i can only charge it.
can you hide/remove this warning logo?
im pretty sure the roms will be ported over to each other in the new year
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im thinking 6p was a better option for developers to buy meanwhile the 5x owned by consumers and those who want a smaller phone.
i was planning to unlock my bootloader right now but i realised i dont have a usb-c to usb cable so i can only charge it.
can you hide/remove this warning logo?
im pretty sure the roms will be ported over to each other in the new year
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Fortunately you can hide the ugly logo by flashing modified splash files. They can be found in this forum.
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Merely allowing bootloaders to be unlocked does not mean that Google is developer friendly. Now, look at the ugly warnings that pop up as soon as you unlock the bootloader of bullhead. Didn't happen when I used mako. And supporting developers doesn't mean only hardware, even if you look at software, rooting has become so difficult. Earlier, it was as simple as installing a custom recovery and flashing binaries. Now, its a long story. Moreover, as soon as you root Marshmallow, certain features such as Android Pay get screwed up (although I never use those features, have read a lot of complaints about this). Do you consider these moves developer friendly? I don't.
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That is just so wrong. On so many levels. But for one correction root is obtained with a single flash of one file and android pay works with it. Why do you post such nonsense?
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Merely allowing bootloaders to be unlocked does not mean that Google is developer friendly. Now, look at the ugly warnings that pop up as soon as you unlock the bootloader of bullhead. Didn't happen when I used mako. And supporting developers doesn't mean only hardware, even if you look at software, rooting has become so difficult. Earlier, it was as simple as installing a custom recovery and flashing binaries. Now, its a long story. Moreover, as soon as you root Marshmallow, certain features such as Android Pay get screwed up (although I never use those features, have read a lot of complaints about this). Do you consider these moves developer friendly? I don't.
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LOL. Spoken like a true user. Google hates development so much it wrote a guide 'for carriers, OEMs, and developers' showing them how to build from source. (Hint: Check out 'Downloading and Building')
https://source.android.com/source/index.html
What you don't understand is ROM/app development and rooting are mutually exclusive. You can build and use a ROM and not have root. You can also root and not use a ROM. Your pathetic rant above is about root, not development.
You obviously don't understand security either. Google has been blasted for poor security in the past and are trying to change that. Hence monthly security updates. Root is a big 'ole backdoor. One that can be used by Uncle Sam, China, or your friendly foreign identity thief to steel your info. With root the user, the biggest security hole there is, is in control of who gets through the backdoor. Google doesn't trust us and nor do our banks. Its not hard to see why Android Pay doesn't work with us in control via root.
I don't blame Google and neither should you.
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LOL. Spoken like a true user. Google hates development so much it wrote a guide 'for carriers, OEMs, and developers' showing them how to build from source. (Hint: Check out 'Downloading and Building')
https://source.android.com/source/index.html
What you don't understand is ROM/app development and rooting are mutually exclusive. You can build and use a ROM and not have root. You can also root and not use a ROM. Your pathetic rant above is about root, not development.
You obviously don't understand security either. Google has been blasted for poor security in the past and are trying to change that. Hence monthly security updates. Root is a big 'ole backdoor. One that can be used by Uncle Sam, China, or your friendly foreign identity thief to steel your info. With root the user, the biggest security hole there is, is in control of who gets through the backdoor. Google doesn't trust us and nor do our banks. Its not hard to see why Android Pay doesn't work with us in control via root.
I don't blame Google and neither should you.
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He thinks a nexus is hard to root? Seriously? He has clearly never owned an HTC device. The HTC Rezound literally had to have its circuit board shorted out to be properly rooted and have an unlocked bootloader. lol "Tap these two points once, then 1.75 seconds later tap them again. Too slow and it will reboot, too fast and it won't do anything. Just right timing will unlock the bootloader." Those were basically our instructions. OH how about the HTC Thunderbolt!! Having to type like 30 lines (or copy paste VERY carefully) into command prompt. Oh, but you are right "Guru", nexus phones are so damn hard. HAHAHAHHA!!
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He thinks a nexus is hard to root? Seriously? He has clearly never owned an HTC device. The HTC Rezound literally had to have its circuit board shorted out to be properly rooted and have an unlocked bootloader. lol "Tap these two points once, then 1.75 seconds later tap them again. Too slow and it will reboot, too fast and it won't do anything. Just right timing will unlock the bootloader." Those were basically our instructions. OH how about the HTC Thunderbolt!! Having to type like 30 lines (or copy paste VERY carefully) into command prompt. Oh, but you are right "Guru", nexus phones are so damn hard. HAHAHAHHA!!
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FYI I have owned HTC Sensation which required similar wire trick and M8 which required $25 to S-Off. But they where not developer devices. This developer devices tells (not warns) the users that the device iz corrupt because it's bootloader is unlocked. Worse than HTC which tells that warranty is void. But I guess it's difficult to explain it to you guys. So I concede. You are right, Google is the most dev friendly organisation, nexus is the most dev friendly line of hardware and you guys are the most pro devs out here.
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FYI I have owned HTC Sensation which required similar wire trick and M8 which required $25 to S-Off. But they where not developer devices. This developer devices tells (not warns) the users that the device iz corrupt because it's bootloader is unlocked. Worse than HTC which tells that warranty is void. But I guess it's difficult to explain it to you guys. So I concede. You are right, Google is the most dev friendly organisation, nexus is the most dev friendly line of hardware and you guys are the most pro devs out here.
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Come on bro, tell us how big bad Google is ruining your phone because they hold your hand through building Android from source. It would make my afternoon.
Obtaining root on Marshmallow was more difficult than other versions of Android, or at least that is what the root God Chainfire has said. No one is arguing that.
Anyway, I've got more to say on this that I'll post later. It's time to go enjoy the weather and the great outdoors.
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<snip>This developer devices tells (not warns) the users that the device iz corrupt because it's bootloader is unlocked.<snip>.
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"Your device can't be checked for corruption..." That's what it says, not that the device is corrupt. If you want it checked please relock the bootloader is what is suggested. Come on just admit you were wrong and move on.
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Merely allowing bootloaders to be unlocked does not mean that Google is developer friendly. Now, look at the ugly warnings that pop up as soon as you unlock the bootloader of bullhead. Didn't happen when I used mako. And supporting developers doesn't mean only hardware, even if you look at software, rooting has become so difficult. Earlier, it was as simple as installing a custom recovery and flashing binaries. Now, its a long story. Moreover, as soon as you root Marshmallow, certain features such as Android Pay get screwed up (although I never use those features, have read a lot of complaints about this). Do you consider these moves developer friendly? I don't.
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"mearly" allowing bootloaders to be unlocked allows a developer to do anything to the phone. You can port over Ubuntu touch to it if you wanted to because they release the binaries and such.. You can't do that so easily with other devices. So what there is a warning if you unlock the bootloader. It doesn't interfere with anything, it's just there to let say someone who isn't tech savvy with phones to know something is up. Moto has a unlocked bootloader warning as do many other manufacturers. And I have had no problems using android pay on my rooted 5x or 6p. I'm just rooted though with chainfires no system partition mod root method. I used android pay last night to get the 20 best buy gift card. Yes, they have made things more difficult from a root perspective but it's not impossible and think they needed to do this to make Android more secure. They seem to be wanting to make it more and more secure, which isn't a bad thing.. But that's not saying they are not developer friendly.. The fact that you can unlock the bootloader and pretty much flash any partition you want is not something you can do just by unlocking the bootloader. Look at HTC devices for example.. To be able to flash all the partitions you need s-off and can't do it by the traditional bootloader unlock. You have a device that you can unlock the bootloader, flash whatever you want, not lose your warranty unless you do something really stupid. Build the system from source, change the source.. That's not developer friendly!?! ? Come on..... What just because they make it harder to root now (which really isn't really that difficult if you know what you're doing which most seem to not) and they make it more secure make them not developer friendly? Again, what other phone do you know that you can take the source, change it, build it and have it work? Or port something like Ubuntu touch to it? You can't.. Other manufacturers just simply do not supply what is needed for developers to do this.. Google does supply this so developers could do this..
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Because it's only been out for 2 months. ROMs aren't built in a day, much like Rome.
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Because it's only been out for 2 months. ROMs aren't built in a day, much like Rome.
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Hahaha. Best answer
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Like many users here, I am disappointed by the pace of development. I understand that the T-mobile version is the only one that has a unlocked bootloader and that limits the interest on development as many potential devs have other variants. Many users here (myself included) are not knowledgeable enough to develop anything ourselves. The less enlightened (to put it nicely) non-developers complain like crazy while others sit quietly for a paragon developer to come along. There are a few developers who are doing great work bringing CM11 and DeviantXone to our phones. Either way most of us non-developers really don't have any opportunity to make a difference... until now.
There is a petition that is taking off at change.org. It has already received a response from LG and with more signatures, could lead to a change. The petition is asking for LG to unlock the bootloader of the phone. This should increase the number of developers by a substantial amount. Developing for the LG G3 is much better than developing for just the D851.
Please join Sebastian Jena's campaign: Click here to sign the petition!
Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3
BACARDILIMON said:
Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3
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how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.
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how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.
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That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3
I wouldn't call what going on right now a lack of development. We have both stock based and cyanogenmod based Roms. When the cyanogenmod Roms that are out now become stable we will see a lot of ports for our phone. Its not that big of a deal but the petition is a great idea for the rest of the world. Just so you are aware most g3 versions can have stock based Roms but there seems to only be one actively developed ROM at a time over in the generic g3 section because the rest of the world has the same problem us T-Mobile folks do (lack of people willing to step up and learn how to do this stuff). I give it another month at most until we see stable cyanogenmod.
Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3
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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
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Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?
I'd be fine with signing it, but then I'll get loads of emails from them, which I don't want.
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Just mark it as spam. I signed. I'd say reword to: "sign this petition to get ALL g3 bootloaders unlocked and help development!" And leave it at that.
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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?
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For the record.... How many bootloaders been unlocked by a cell provider after initial release... And modding community is probably outnumbered by 100 to 1 or more likely more..and loud noise doesn't over come revenue stream... Be glad some providers release a dev phone for purchase.
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Lol
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You still may want to edit.your post. You spend far too long complaining about the lack of developing and how no one is deloping and.far less on why the phone should be unlike. Wasn't until the ending that I was like...oh he's not making a petition because no one is developing but to unlock the boot loader....
I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.
There use to be a time where if you were dissapointed in the amount of development being done on a phone you learned how dev. Thats what was great about android. It is an open source system made for you to make it youelr own. Yes times have changed and and not everything is completely open (nothing was ever completely open), but i know there are still ways to learn. Yes you might think your too busy to learn but if you really want more development for this device you will find the time to learn and truly make your device yours.
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I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.
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There is development going on for the g3. Just the tmobile variant. Once the boot loader gets unlocked, it'll probably be easy to port them to the other variants. And it's not LG's fault that only tmobile's boot loader is unlocked. It's the cell provider's that wanted that. If everyone just gives up and moves to different phones, the devs will see no need to try and unlock the other bootloaders.
I signed it , hopefully they unlock it
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Get it here
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what is in there?
is it different than what's here?
so does this mean fire phone will get new roms? no more fire os?
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so does this mean fire phone will get new roms? no more fire os?
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I was hopeful, but it looks like all the potential developers have lost interest...
For ggow's CM12.1
Don't now whether you already have seen this^, but I think it would be pretty helpful @ggow
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Don't now whether you already have seen this^, but I think it would be pretty helpful @ggow
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Yes, I have seen this from since the start of developing CM-11. There is nothing of use in there to kill the remaining bugs or that can help with CM-12
We are at the mercy of Amazon. I messaged them even explaining who I was and what I've been doing with their phones. I asked for help in the to provide libs or help with the a solution to the camera and future versions of android. Even asked if they unlocked the bootloader then I'm sure most of the remaining problems could be solved.
But I guess they don't care. The been looking at the bootloader on and off along with the tz and the [email protected] thing seems unlockable. Hope someone with more knowledge comes along and proves me wrong.
I'm still interested in getting later versions of android but it's proving extremely difficult with the current circumstances we are facing with this device.
I don't understand why Amazon can't just unlock the devices if they are not interested anymore
@Darth, can we move this thread to the General section?
the only way would be fly to Ama headquarters and demonstrate by the door
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Yes, I have seen this from since the start of developing CM-11. There is nothing of use in there to kill the remaining bugs or that can help with CM-12
We are at the mercy of Amazon. I messaged them even explaining who I was and what I've been doing with their phones. I asked for help in the to provide libs or help with the a solution to the camera and future versions of android. Even asked if they unlocked the bootloader then I'm sure most of the remaining problems could be solved.
But I guess they don't care. The been looking at the bootloader on and off along with the tz and the [email protected] thing seems unlockable. Hope someone with more knowledge comes along and proves me wrong.
I'm still interested in getting later versions of android but it's proving extremely difficult with the current circumstances we are facing with this device.
I don't understand why Amazon can't just unlock the devices if they are not interested anymore
@Darth, can we move this thread to the General section?
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The Fire Phone is listed as one of the devices owned by @Chainfire according to his signature yet we have had nothing from him regarding this phone specifically so maybe it really is unlockable.
Note to Others:
Trying to unlock the bootloader already cost me one Fire Phone so I doubt I will be doing anymore pioneering in this area
Any Unofficial unlock would likely come from this thread. https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-nexus/themes-apps/app-bootunlocker-nexus-devices-version-t1731993 with the likes of @osm0sis and others still tinkering occasionally
But just remember this Phone is very unforgiving if you mess with it's bootloader
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I don't understand why Amazon can't just unlock the devices if they are not interested anymore
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I suspect the reason is if they give us the unlock codes they're afraid we'll reverse engineer the unlock codes for other current devices, I'm willing to bet they're all very similar. It still sucks, though, a Fire Phone running 7.1.1 would be sweet.
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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Assuming you have the Verizon model....Once you use Sunshine to S-Off this phone the world is your oyster. Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
The combination of the above and that HTC makes what I think are the most gorgeous looking and well built phones...it's been a win win for me since my Thunderbolt lol
gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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I've had a huge amount of devices, ( look at my sig and you'll see) and I've always come back to HTC, reason being is that they offer something a little different, but what's more they always have the most talented developers and the oldest serving, on XDA, Villain rom, etc, they always come up with the goods.
Not to mention that the root, unlocking of the bootloader and s-off (if you s-off) is reversible. Samsung is not, as it has an efuse chip as does the nexus too AFAIK.
There literally isn't anything you can't change on this device and with pretty much any other htc device, if you've had a htc before and gone on to something else, Sony or Sammy are good examples, you'll always be looking back over the fence, and when a new HTC comes out you'll just hate your current device, eg: I got rid of a six month old nexus 6P for this 10
Just unlock the bootloader, s-off if you must or want to, I believe that you can flash firmwares easier with it switched off, it's £20 so not great but it always works, install a custom recovery and flash away.
In terms of roms, Venom probably offers the most comprehensive list of tweaks and mods but LeeDroid is equally as good and as customizable, perhaps not with the length of venom tweaks but still great. Other roms I can guess are similar and when CM is completely fixed, well start seeing CM, AOSP and similar roms heading for us too.
In short, the answer to your question is a huge yes, I don't think I'll ever get another Samsung or Sony again, nothing wrong with them, they're just not for me and I'll miss HTC if I do.
Stripped, themed, ghostpeppered, and running like a bat out of hell....
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Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
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I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.
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I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.
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Long time Samsung user here. I got my US unlocked HTC 10 a few months ago. Best phone I ever had. Would not even consider an S7 in comparison.
The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid. I've tried both and prefer Viper. I think that would be your long-term solution. Get an unlocked 10 if you can afford to for maximum flexibility and choice of service providers. Unlock the bootloader, S-Off, and flash Viper. You can't go wrong in my opinion.
BTW, this is just a general discussion thread. Each Rom, Kernel, recovery, etc etc have their own dedicated threads where you'll find in-depth info.
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The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid.
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Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?
Thanks guys, still considering the 10. Now I am between the 10, 6P and Pixel XL. The painful fact is that I am currently with no phone. When I went to return the Axon, there were no 10s in stock at the store. The wait for the Pixel is just killing me! And to worsen things a bit, I just ran into a 128 GB Nexus 6P. I am a real sucker for OLED screens you, know? That is why I still didn't buy the 10.
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Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?
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Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.
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Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.
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I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)
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I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)
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AOSP is the Android Open Source Project. Yes, this is sometimes referred to as the "stock" Rom. Google provides the code base for the stock Rom. Various developers use this code base and then add their own code enhancements to produce an extended version of the stock Rom. Most custom Roms are Cyanogenmod-based. This is the company that has put their particular twist on the stock Rom. A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
Some people actually do prefer the more standard stock Rom for various reasons. It is simpler and typically more robust for dealing with the limited and specific tasks it was designed for. A good custom Rom can be just as robust as stock in every way, but also allows the user to do much more with the phone. It can be overclocked to run much faster, have better audio, a highly customizable user interface, and so on.
Viper, on the Sense-based side, and Resurrection Remix on the Cyanogenmod-based side are both better than the stock Rom in my view and people using those Roms get many more updates to their Roms via the developers than stock Rom users do. Some developers are still producing custom Roms for the Samsung SII -- a very old phone that Samsung dropped support for years ago.
Check this out for the HTC 10:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-21-02-viper10-1-0-0-tweaks-hub-t3379151
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A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
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Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?
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Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?
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Haha, you're really doing your research.
Yes, a sense based ROM is less likely to have bugs, however bugs are usually listed in the OP of every rom thread. A matured AOSP ROM won't have anything broken, but things may not work as well or as intended by HTC.
I think sense based is the way to go with this device, lots of good features HTC has developed that work well with the phone like the camera application and blinkfeed. Not to mention the polished look of the phone in general and the underrated theme store, it just works well together. You'd lose all of that with AOSP, not so much key features not working.
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Haha, you're really doing your research.
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Yes. It's my most annoying characteristic, according to my wife. Now I just have to find a developer who keeps things simple & stable, and who will support it until 2021.
Thanks for your replies. And I apologize to gibawatts for hijacking this thread a bit. I hope it was still useful for you, too.
Did you guys decide?
It's still $150 off, which assisted me in my decision to go from the Nexus 5 to the htc 10 (and a nice, even doubling for us OCD types).
My short answer: the htc 10 is ever-so-slightly less customisable than the Nexus 5; I've installed everything on it that I had on the Nexus (SuperSU, Xposed, Gravitybox, Xprivacy, AdAway, etc.). N-ify works on it.
My only "issue" so far is that GravityBox can't remove the Calculator and Extreme Power Saver quicktile htc put there..real fine points here. (I've only had the thing 2 days, so there may be more but no show-stoppers for a purist like me). Sense 8 is more like an alternative launcher than an overhaul like TouchWiz or old versions of Sense. Wife likes it (coming from her N5/NovaLauncher) and I'm giving it a whirl.
Manual firmware updates would be the only caveat AFAICT but that is still better than what I had with N5: OTAs broke and I just never installed them due to lack of interest...not a habit I want to carry with me, however. My point being that the Nexus 5 was actually more of a hassle to me to update than what this seems like it would be (though I've not tested it yet but there's much discussion on the procedure here).
Wife is attached to OLED (SIII had a wonderful display) but she likes the htc 10 display and did not like the N5 display.
I love the feedback you guys got/gave here. This here is a model XDA thread.
I would just like to add that HTC's Sense ROM is quite bare-boned compared to other non-Nexus OEMs. Compared to the Axon, it'll look almost like a Nexus device.
Everyone else pretty much covered the other important things. I'd like to point out that CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs for the HTC 10 are still a bit down the road and they still need quite a bit of work, so when you get it, expect to either stay with Sense, or Sense-based custom ROMs for at least the next few months. No complaints on that from my side. Even if you do eventually flash CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs, I'll wager that you'll end up downloading some of HTC's apps, like Camera, Gallery, and Music. They blow away vanilla Android apps and 3rd party alternatives.
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Compared to the Axon,...
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ZTE being mod-hostile turned me off to them; they have to establish a solid history of unlock/mod-friendliness for me to even look at them. (No, a press release stating that they would, in the future, answer questions from CyanogenMod folks to develop their ROM doesn't win me over in any way whatsoever.)
I surmised that the OnePlus 3 was too customised to be considered a Nexus spiritual successor (it was the phone I wanted to like/buy). Really, they only need to make good hardware and just use already-made AOSP and spend dev time getting drivers and such primo to have a winner (and with lower overhead) rather than trying to reinvent the wheel that nobody will want. It's like they're trying to sorta be Nexus and sorta be Sense/TouchWiz/et al but is there really a market for that? Is there really no market for Nexus? (I dunno...the Pixel thing has me befuddled and the no-more-Nexus thing has me ferhoodled.)
So, yeah, I'm liking the htc 10, which, being both funny and sad, I didn't even look at. My wife mentioned it and the $150 off, so we took a look and got'em. (I was still soured by my Evo 3D experience that led me to use then-Best Buy's 30-day return policy)
One more tid-bit I neglected to mention earlier: I'm glad I got the unlocked/dev version...no issue getting official RUUs all official-like, officially. I don't ever want to deal with "carrier" stuff.
P.S. Good to know about the camera, gallery, and music apps. Those are important to my wife (I'm happy with those being "functional" but also happy to just have the same software between us..easier to maintain and to answer her questions).
Starting a post for those of us who are stuck without the factory images corrupted. I am one of the idiots who made a backup but didn't save it to my computer so for now I am stuck with a paper weight. If any kind helpful soul has any suggestions for I or the rest of us who may be stuck please let me know as I'm willing to try anything. I'm pretty good with twrp adb and fastboot commands. Thanks otherwise I can wait on the images from Razer I guess just wish we knew when?
Hello there i am posting here full backup factory image of all partitions before to modify anything
https://mega.nz/#F!aRZ1DaZQ!_wBY_8zSkaML97pVbwwOSA
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After discussing this with a few heavy hitters in the community I have decided to send it in through the RMA process. There is no guarantee we will ever see the system images and after multiple talks with Razers support staff I don't feel good about waiting while my phone depreciates in value. Will probably sell it at swappa for a one plus 5t if we don't get system images by March 1st. Sad cause I really wanted this phone to be great but no development and no system images really set the stage for a failed first model. I'll update this post when I get it back from RMA to verify it was indeed accepted and fixed......fingers crossed.
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Development is meaning less and less as the push for security is becoming tighter. Soon no device will be able to be secure while having open source development.
If you do get the 5t make sure to flash an aosp based rom before you even set the device up. Mainly with them being caught again mining data and sending to to China.
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After discussing this with a few heavy hitters in the community I have decided to send it in through the RMA process. There is no guarantee we will ever see the system images and after multiple talks with Razers support staff I don't feel good about waiting while my phone depreciates in value. Will probably sell it at swappa for a one plus 5t if we don't get system images by March 1st. Sad cause I really wanted this phone to be great but no development and no system images really set the stage for a failed first model. I'll update this post when I get it back from RMA to verify it was indeed accepted and fixed......fingers crossed.
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Hi, any update?
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Hi, any update?
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Yes they accepted my rma and are in the process of shipping a new one back to me. I will update this thread once I have received the new phone. However given we are still waiting for factory images I might just sell it and look for something else with more development....pixel XL 2 or one plus 5t.
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I'm actually really quite disappointed in the time this is taking. I actually had a Nextbit Robin and the factory images were out almost immediately. What on earth is going on here?
A major contributor to me getting this phone was knowing Nextbit were in some way involved and they were very developer friendly. Being a big Razer fan too and hearing about these awesome speakers and silky smooth 120Hz I was totally sold. If I'd known development was this non existent (not the devs faults!), I wouldn't have bought this phone.
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I'm actually really quite disappointed in the time this is taking. I actually had a Nextbit Robin and the factory images were out almost immediately. What on earth is going on here?
A major contributor to me getting this phone was knowing Nextbit were in some way involved and they were very developer friendly. Being a big Razer fan too and hearing about these awesome speakers and silky smooth 120Hz I was totally sold. If I'd known development was this non existent (not the devs faults!), I wouldn't have bought this phone.
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Being an anarchist myself, ive been more than tempted to start a boycott on the razer phone (even while owning it myself) - support staff are uninformed, phone is still in beta stages, and no fun for anyone wishing to do development.
Its like the company is trying to rival apple instead just for gamers. Imo they missed the mark a bit and throttled the phones performance by not developing the software fully.
Ive added manual controls for the camera and installed Viper plus an adblocker just so when you play games theres not the constant risk of pop up ads..... Nice idea for a phone not but not well executed, suprising considering the nextbit was its predecessor. And now Razer are talking about the Razer 2, its a joke :silly:
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Being an anarchist myself, ive been more than tempted to start a boycott on the razer phone (even while owning it myself) - support staff are uninformed, phone is still in beta stages, and no fun for anyone wishing to do development.
Its like the company is trying to rival apple instead just for gamers. Imo they missed the mark a bit and throttled the phones performance by not developing the software fully.
Ive added manual controls for the camera and installed Viper plus an adblocker just so when you play games theres not the constant risk of pop up ads..... Nice idea for a phone not but not well executed, suprising considering the nextbit was its predecessor. And now Razer are talking about the Razer 2, its a joke :silly:
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That's what makes me the most upset. How are you talking about the Razer 2 before even fixing some major bugs on ur current 2 month old phone.
Not sure what everyone expected. It's their first device and nextbit only had one device before being bought. It wasn't even that good of a device. So of course this oem will take years to catch up.
As for development, that is becoming g less of a priority for oems. Due to the security risks. Also being its razor you have to expect most of the stuff to be completely closed Sourced and any open source files will lose lots of tweaks.
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Not sure what everyone expected. It's their first device and nextbit only had one device before being bought. It wasn't even that good of a device. So of course this oem will take years to catch up.
As for development, that is becoming g less of a priority for oems. Due to the security risks. Also being its razor you have to expect most of the stuff to be completely closed Sourced and any open source files will lose lots of tweaks.
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All I am asking for is the factory images....is that to much to ask for after 3 months?
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All I am asking for is the factory images....is that to much to ask for after 3 months?
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Well that depends. Some of the drivers maybe licensed so that they are only in the wild on devices and not allowed to be released in any other fashion. Many things could be causing them not to release it. I could easily see many reasons not to release it.
Will ... We can open thread in there forum and make request to razer to release the stock image and make many people replay on it. And if they close it we can make another one.
Disappointing Razer is violent against rooting
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Will ... We can open thread in there forum and make request to razer to release the stock image and make many people replay on it. And if they close it we can make another one.
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Nice way to get yourself banned from their forums all together. But sure, because annoying people always works.
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Disappointing Razer is violent against rooting
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More and more oems are becoming that way. Root is a security hole and they can't really afford them.
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Nice way to get yourself banned from their forums all together. But sure, because annoying people always works.
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More and more oems are becoming that way. Root is a security hole and they can't really afford them.
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It's ez to create another account
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It's ez to create another account
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
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I have been on the other side of the fence and let me tell you that it is pointless. The tools available to sites go all the way up to the isp when needed. If someone doesn't want you on their site bad enough. Trust me. You won't be. And hiding behind a VPN or changing your iP. Don't do anything.
But you are more then welcome to give it a go.
Razer needs to pay the price for keeping root hard
Wow some of you people are quite delusional how this works. Razer never released this as a developers phone, and rooting it is very easy.. I don't know what are are all on about. No, they haven't released factory images yet, but Iirc they don't HAVE to. They met there legal obligations by releasing the kernel source. Yes some of you didn't follow they procedures for twrp and messed up your phone but that's not razer fault. Technically they don't even have to do RMA on those phones but from what I understand they have.
They have already stated they WILL be releasing factory images soon, but it's just not out yet, now you wanna throw a temper tantrum on there forums? How about everyone just calm down and wait.. I know it sux being without a phone, and such a kickass one at that, but you made the choice... At least you know a fix is coming right?
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Wow some of you people are quite delusional how this works. Razer never released this as a developers phone, and rooting it is very easy.. I don't know what are are all on about. No, they haven't released factory images yet, but Iirc they don't HAVE to. They met there legal obligations by releasing the kernel source. Yes some of you didn't follow they procedures for twrp and messed up your phone but that's not razer fault. Technically they don't even have to do RMA on those phones but from what I understand they have.
They have already stated they WILL be releasing factory images soon, but it's just not out yet, now you wanna throw a temper tantrum on there forums? How about everyone just calm down and wait.. I know it sux being without a phone, and such a kickass one at that, but you made the choice... At least you know a fix is coming right?
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I agree with you. Mine was dead but fixed it and working again on stock with help of @BakaSenpai. We tried both some ideas and put them together and worked. Still i have the corrupted at the start but working great without issues so far.
Hey everyone!
I want so bad to install viper4android on my brand new Pixel 2 xl but I have some security concerns...
How do you guys trust the devs? How do you know that your data is not being exfiltrated? Are the costume roms more secure?
I believe they're better in terms of privacy against companies, but are they against hackers?
How are the vulnerabilities handled? Do devs write secure code or just code that works? Do the new features get security patches?
Come on, please convince me installing a custom ROM!
Cheers and good christmas.
ivoricardo said:
Hey everyone!
I want so bad to install viper4android on my brand new Pixel 2 xl but I have some security concerns...
How do you guys trust the devs? How do you know that your data is not being exfiltrated? Are the costume roms more secure?
I believe they're better in terms of privacy against companies, but are they against hackers?
How are the vulnerabilities handled? Do devs write secure code or just code that works? Do the new features get security patches?
Come on, please convince me installing a custom ROM!
Cheers and good christmas.
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I can't convince you of anything my friend, nor will I try. I will just say this, one of the Devs for V4A and I have had some great conversations, he helped me get some specific ViPER features going, and I provided him with logs, and specific files he needed. I haven't had any issues with data loss or anything else. Also, my faith in the Devs on XDA is pretty solid, they're a bunch of talented, good, and helpful people, therefore, I trust them. And that's all I have to say about that (Forest Gump)
ivoricardo said:
Hey everyone!
I want so bad to install viper4android on my brand new Pixel 2 xl but I have some security concerns...
How do you guys trust the devs? How do you know that your data is not being exfiltrated? Are the costume roms more secure?
I believe they're better in terms of privacy against companies, but are they against hackers?
How are the vulnerabilities handled? Do devs write secure code or just code that works? Do the new features get security patches?
Come on, please convince me installing a custom ROM!
Cheers and good christmas.
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Go for Resurrection remix, I know some devs personally and I can assure you that the security and privacy is higher than stock
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Go for Resurrection remix, I know some devs personally and I can assure you that the security and privacy is higher than stock
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Sure, as long as you remove root, disable USB Debugging, and relock the bootloader. Then and only then will you be truly secure. Obviously, I have serious doubts regarding the claim that their security is higher than stock. Equal to stock perhaps, but not higher.
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Sure, as long as you remove root, disable USB Debugging, and relock the bootloader. Then and only then will you be truly secure. Obviously, I have serious doubts regarding the claim that their security is higher than stock. Equal to stock perhaps, but not higher.
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Totally agree with you mate, but by "privacy and security" I mean the phone will be soo yours and the Google guys can't force you with some updates to ruin the battery and slow the device like they did previously
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Totally agree with you mate, but by "privacy and security" I mean the phone will be soo yours and the Google guys can't force you with some updates to ruin the battery and slow the device like they did previously
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Now that's odd as I have had absolutely no issues with battery drains or sluggishness running the stock ROM on this device. In fact, I stopped running custom ROMs because of how good the stock ROM is.
If you're encountering battery drains and sluggishness, look to the apps you install rather than blame Google.
hope you guys would be able to keep up a decent talk ... otherwise, I`ll be forced to close this thread and it`s not fair on the OP, he just wanted an opinion from more experienced users, thanks !
With all my respect, I won't close someone's thread just like that without OP's request, I've made my point and I hope it was clear, I still believe in love...
As long as you use common sense with what you do to your device, and you follow the lead of users around you (stay away from the stuff they stay away from, feel safe with the stuff that is downloaded by thousands of users, etc. and you'll never have reason to worry. I've been doing this since 2012, over 5 devices and not once have I had a scare bigger than a bootloop or a soft brick, and have never felt my information or safety was at risk.
If you are absolutely paranoid (I said IF you are) about some foreign country, some company, or some dev spying on you, exploiting your device, or stealing your information, rooting and customizing your device probably isn't for you. And that's not a bad thing, people make choices that are good for them.
But realize you are already at risk of most of these things, using a completely STOCK device.
If you want to experience an occasional bootloop, customize your device, learn how to use fastboot /ADB, flash diff kernels to see which one you can overclock for max power, or which one you can under clock for max battery life, or if you want to try the talents of diff devs who offer diff features in their cust Roms, if you want to learn all about the rooting, flashing, customizing world and help others learn about it; then you DEFINITELY want to unlock, root, and install cust Roms on your device!
The bottom line:
If you NEVER try it, you'll always wonder what you're missing, if you would've had fun tweaking, and customizing your device; and that'll suck
If you try it, and find out you don't like the risks, or the learning curve or the awesome experience of tweaking your device, you can ALWAYS, at any time revert to stock and walk away. BUT, you will have tried it. And that DOESN'T suck
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ivoricardo said:
Hey everyone!
I want so bad to install viper4android on my brand new Pixel 2 xl but I have some security concerns...
How do you guys trust the devs? How do you know that your data is not being exfiltrated? Are the costume roms more secure?
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A whole chunk of the code used in ROMs is open source. You can perform an audit and check it.
I believe they're better in terms of privacy against companies, but are they against hackers?
How are the vulnerabilities handled? Do devs write secure code or just code that works? Do the new features get security patches?
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Announced vulnerabilities receive patches from google/companies and merged periodically.
Also THOSE same vulnerabilities allow us to root the devices.
So if you are "concerned" about security then you should not root the device.
Rooting and unlocking bootloader is meant for experts only.
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As long as you use common sense with what you do to your device, and you follow the lead of users around you (stay away from the stuff they stay away from, feel safe with the stuff that is downloaded by thousands of users, etc. and you'll never have reason to worry. I've been doing this since 2012, over 5 devices and not once have I had a scare bigger than a bootloop or a soft brick, and have never felt my information or safety was at risk.
If you are absolutely paranoid (I said IF you are) about some foreign country, some company, or some dev spying on you, exploiting your device, or stealing your information, rooting and customizing your device probably isn't for you. And that's not a bad thing, people make choices that are good for them.
But realize you are already at risk of most of these things, using a completely STOCK device.
If you want to experience an occasional bootloop, customize your device, learn how to use fastboot /ADB, flash diff kernels to see which one you can overclock for max power, or which one you can under clock for max battery life, or if you want to try the talents of diff devs who offer diff features in their cust Roms, if you want to learn all about the rooting, flashing, customizing world and help others learn about it; then you DEFINITELY want to unlock, root, and install cust Roms on your device!
The bottom line:
If you NEVER try it, you'll always wonder what you're missing, if you would've had fun tweaking, and customizing your device; and that'll suck
If you try it, and find out you don't like the risks, or the learning curve or the awesome experience of tweaking your device, you can ALWAYS, at any time revert to stock and walk away. BUT, you will have tried it. And that DOESN'T suck
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Well said !! you deserve all my respect