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I came across Benson Leung's blog posts for USB Type C cables that pass muster, preferably USB IF Certified. He's an engineer with Google. There are about a hundred or so "compliant" cables but there are probably hundreds more that are not, tons are on Amazon and at Best Buy. One quick thing to look for that good cables have is a solid pin , there is no vertical seam down the middle of the pin that plugs into the phones charging port.
Benson's list on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ls/ref=pdp_new_wl?lid=KF89JCHI0KT4
A list of compliant cables
https://usbccompliant.com/
Reddit discussions
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...ogle_spreadsheet_for_usbc_cables_with_benson/
When a cheap cable fried his pricey hardware
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...ous-on-paper-it-allegedly-fried-his-hardware/
Thanks, this is very useful, I'm surprised spigen is not approved them products never failed me.
I use both the iOrange-E and Anker Powerline...didn't even read this list before I purchased them.
I do use Anker's Micro-B to C Adapters though and haven't had any issues.
this is so annoying. so I've gotten two USB c adapter he recommended so I can use one with my Samsung charger, which I assume will work no problem. and one ill use in car. but my car chargers are old, and i think quick charge 2.0. so if I use the adapter, will it blow my phone up?? I have no idea. lol ugh. so annoying.
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Currently I am using this one and it works.
USB 2.0C. Nothing fancy.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1250345-REG/digipower_sp_ac1_usb_2_0_type_c_male.html
Robert235 said:
Thanks, this is very useful, I'm surprised spigen is not approved them products never failed me.
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There is a Spigen cable on Benson's Amazon list which I linked in the original post.
I'm using Aukey USB A 3.0 to USB C cables with no issues(same ones I used on my Note 7). Got a 5 pack for $20 on Amazon
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I'm using Aukey USB A 3.0 to USB C cables with no issues(same ones I used on my Note 7). Got a 5 pack for $20 on Amazon
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You should check to see if they are Benson's list for compliance. He forced them to issue a recall for one of their products. I'm returning an Aukey 3.0 charging station today that is overheating badly while the 2.0 charging station I have from them runs fine.
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You should check to see if they are Benson's list for compliance. He forced them to issue a recall for one of their products. I'm returning an Aukey 3.0 charging station today that is overheating badly while the 2.0 charging station I have from them runs fine.
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He caused Anker to do a recall. Aukey is a different company. If my Aukey cables were going to show an issue, it would have been when I used them for the Note 7 lol
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He caused Anker to do a recall. Aukey is a different company. If my Aukey cables were going to show an issue, it would have been when I used them for the Note 7 lol
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Correct I was thinking about this Aukey charger, my mistake. They laid into Aukey hard core. obviously both companies have put out some inferior products with regard to Type C USB standards. we cant give them blank check on brand name...yet.
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/cSXovGvpDvz
Heads up, I picked up a couple of cables from Benson's list. One iOrange-E and one WolfBlitz.
Unfortunately the WolfBlitz does not appear to support Quick Charge 3.0. I'm getting a message to use the original LG cable. The iOrange-E cable does not have this issue. Both were $10 on Amazon for the braided 6 foot long versions. I like the braided versions over the stiff Belkin type cables because They are eaiser to keep in my coat pocket when connected to my small 3.0 QC power bank.
I bought a good quality braided USB A to USB C cable to use as a spare for my LG V20.
When I connect my phone to my PC using the cable, the phone indicates "Charging" but it doesn't show up as a removable drive and there is an exclamation mark on the COM6 device in device manager.
Switching back to my OEM LG cable, everything works just fine.
This is the cable that I bought:
http://www.hi-online.co.za/pdp/snug-type-c-to-usb-3-cable/_/A-270091AADG5
When looking at a cable in-store, I honestly don't know how to tell which cable will work and which won't.
Now, I only really need the cable as a spare for charging purposes but I'm concerned about whether its safe for me to continue to use it for that.
There aren't a lot of options available in stores where I live but this is one other option I saw:
http://www.kanex.com/usb-c-usb3-cable
Will that work?
I've been using Samsung note 7 cables and they work great.
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I've been using Samsung note 7 cables and they work great.
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Same here!
I have several A to C cables including 1 Samsung and 2 Belkin.
All work 100%.
Byte_76 said:
I bought a good quality braided USB A to USB C cable to use as a spare for my LG V20.
When I connect my phone to my PC using the cable, the phone indicates "Charging" but it doesn't show up as a removable drive and there is an exclamation mark on the COM6 device in device manager.
Switching back to my OEM LG cable, everything works just fine.
This is the cable that I bought:
http://www.hi-online.co.za/pdp/snug-type-c-to-usb-3-cable/_/A-270091AADG5
When looking at a cable in-store, I honestly don't know how to tell which cable will work and which won't.
Now, I only really need the cable as a spare for charging purposes but I'm concerned about whether its safe for me to continue to use it for that.
There aren't a lot of options available in stores where I live but this is one other option I saw:
http://www.kanex.com/usb-c-usb3-cable
Will that work?
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I bought the above Kanex USB-A to USB-C cable and found that it has the same problem as the other cable that I bought. My V20 shows charging but I cannot transfer data and there are exclamation marks in device manager.
I researched a bit further after buying the cable and found that Benson Leung has also given a negative review of the cable on Amazon, stating that the cable is not spec compliant.
I really like Spigen products, decided on this.
https://www.amazon.com/Spigen-C10C0...71123&sr=8-1&keywords=Spigen+C10C0+USB+Type+C
And this case, had one for my Nexus 6, never failed me.
https://www.amazon.com/Spigen-Rugge...1481171214&sr=8-3&keywords=spigen+case+lg+v20
Funny enough, I have 3 Belkin cables (one is 3.1C) and all work as they're supposed to be.
I got a anker power line c to c. No issues except when I hook it up to my alienware 15 r2 usb c plug my phone will blink back and forth of charging not charging. Might try a different c to c cable and see if its cable or computer
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Heads up, I picked up a couple of cables from Benson's list. One iOrange-E and one WolfBlitz.
Unfortunately the WolfBlitz does not appear to support Quick Charge 3.0. I'm getting a message to use the original LG cable. The iOrange-E cable does not have this issue. Both were $10 on Amazon for the braided 6 foot long versions. I like the braided versions over the stiff Belkin type cables because They are eaiser to keep in my coat pocket when connected to my small 3.0 QC power bank.
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As Bensor and Nathan K point out repeatedly, the USB C spec forbids proprietary fast charging such as QC 2 and 3. USB C supports PD fast changing. Oddly, the LG charger that comes with the LG20 has QC3 but I don't use it, I use a Benson-approved PD charger.
Hello all. I have a quick question. I have bought a type c charging cable that has just arrived, it was sent from in my country to my location in less then 3 days. Off ebay And after purchase I read about how type c charging cables can destroy your devices if you buy a knock off, or a cheap cable or not made properly, by any means this cable was 13.00 AUD. It's 3 meters and it looks very thick and quality looks good. It is generic though. No branding.... So I'm wondering if it would be okay to just use this as a charging cable, and use the original for File transfers. I also have a Spigen cable on the way but I do not want to wait to use this one. Is there any chance that this will be okay to use?... Attaching a photo of the cable
The htc 10 doesn't use USB charging; it uses Quick Charge 3.0.
USB charging has its standards, separate from the connectors and separate from Qualcomm's standards.
Qualcomm states that QC works regardless of cable and connector. However, the htc 10 is picky about the cable and I've not found a rhyme or reason for it. I have a Type C-to- A cable that won't QC but several micro cables that will with a micro-to-C adaptor.
Basically the cable must have a 56k ohm resistor in the type c connector which tells the phone how much power to draw to prevent over current. Usually this is signified by a longer plug and the resistor should be stated in the ad if you can remember where you bought it from. From eye balling the cable you photographed it looks fine. I think it's more of an issue with Nexus phones anyway since the 10 uses a different standard in order to maintain compatibility with qc3.0.
More accurately, the resistor tells the USB-C device that it's hooked up to a legacy "device". Type C to anything being legacy. Anything but type C weren't "designed to handle" 3A of current that the USB Power Delivery can output at 5V.
So if you have a Nexus 6P or a Pixel or whatever that uses USB PD:
if you use a type C to type A cable with a 56kOhm resistor, the phone is going to know that this is a legacy device and it won't attempt to draw more than the "Default USB Power" which is 5V0.5A for USB 1.0/2.0 and 5V0.9A for USB 3.x.
But of course the device will also look past it and see what output current the charger actually advertises it is capable of and then charges at that current the charger is capable of..
But, here's the big problem.
What if you use a type C to type A cable with a 10kOhm or 22kOhm resistor?
That cable is going to tell the device that it's
a) not connected to a legacy device (56kOhm resistor would mean legacy)
b) it IS connected to 5V3A or 5V1.5A (10kOhm/22kOhm resistor respectively) output.
It's going to try and draw 3A of current if the cable has a 10kOhm resistor in there, whether or not the charger can actually output that.
Danger here is that different chargers will respond to that differently.
The charger can either fail spectacularly (read: explode, catch on fire, something bad) or it will just trigger OCP (over current) and not charge if it has the protection or it will just try and cope with it delivering as much current as it can and potentially overheat and fail in some fashion.
Imagine hooking up your Nexus 6P or Pixel to your laptop with a "bad" type C to type A cable.. Those ports are not going to be able to handle that kind of power unless they're something special sauce.
For a little bit more cohesive explanation, read this
http://www.androidauthority.com/usb-type-c-and-3-1-explained-656552/
As for our device, we don't use USB PD. Some have said that the HTC 10 is compliant with it but I don't know if that's true or not.
However we use Quick Charge. Quick Charge doesn't look for resistors, it looks for the other chip inside the charger and talks with that chip, essentially doing a digital handshake before they initiate quick charging.
That prevents the charger from outputting anything higher than 5V unless the device specifically asks for it.
So, in theory, ANY data cable should be perfectly compatible with QC.
Data cable meaning that the D+ and D-, teh data, connectors are hooked up.
QC performs the digital handshake, and subsequent voltage/current adjustments, by talking across the D+ and D- conductors.
If you have a "charge only" cable or a PortaPow "data block" adapter, it means that only the V+ and V- connectors are hooked up and as a result QC chip in your 10 can't talk to the charger to negotiate the QC.
As for why some type C to type A cables don't support quick charge. I have no freaking idea.
I've got one cheap C-A USB 3.0 cable that I bought from ebay and it's a weird cable...
First time I tried charging it was in the car with a dual port (A) QC3.0 charger. Phone said slow charge, for faster results use the original charger. Didn't try again.
With the stock charger I'm testing at the moment, I first got 1.8A (after 1A>1.3A>1.8A over a minute). Unplug and plug it the other way around I got 1.7A and then it dropped to 1.4A. Third time I plugged it in the same way I plugged it the first time and now it said slow charge.. Plug it again the same way and now it charges.
Could it be that the cable either has a 10kOhm or a 22kOhm resistor in there? Maybe. Idk. Don't have means to test it right now, but I'll probably gut the cable later and measure it when I have time.
Moral of the story: come on guys, buy good quality cables from reliable brands for charging. They're not expensive.. Aukey, Anker, PortaPow, you name it. There's a lot of them out there.
I'm personally using the PortaPow cable for charging my 10, only 1 meter length available at this moment but if you want longer or shorter lengths, message them. They'll make them if there's enough interest.
http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-charge-sync-usb-c-cable/
Thankyou for your help guys I've decided to wait for the Spigen charger
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Moral of the story: come on guys, buy good quality cables from reliable brands for charging. They're not expensive.. Aukey, Anker, PortaPow, you name it. There's a lot of them out there.
I'm personally using the PortaPow cable for charging my 10, only 1 meter length available at this moment but if you want longer or shorter lengths, message them. They'll make them if there's enough interest.
http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/portapow-charge-sync-usb-c-cable/
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Except that these guys don't make the cable that I need (or I just haven't been able to locate one).
I need a ~6-ft/2m cable with a 90-degree-to-the-front/back elbow on the USB Type C connector like the one shown here:
...and black...no goofy colors.
I thought I knew the correct cable to purchase (I only bought this phone 5 weeks ago and I need to buy 1-2 backup charging cables.
I always bought cables from Monoprice.com (for my M8 anyway) because they were decent quality, they had 6" lengths available, they were pretty cheap, and they had goofy colors (I'll take anything to break up my day a bit).
But now I am not sure which cable is correct. Is the USB version irrelevant with the HTC QuickCharge functionality? So I can get either v2.0, v2.1, or v3.0 USB-C to USB A?? Also, I will go to another vendor if need be, but most of the cables at this website do not state a resistance—just voltage and amps.
So this would be one I might get because it seems OK...
http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030319&p_id=14933&seq=1&format=2
If it isn't showing the resistance should I shop someplace else?
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Thankyou for your help guys I've decided to wait for the Spigen charger
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Why do you want to wait for Spige charger which is not QuickCharge 3.0 dedicated charger like your oroginal HTC OEM charger?
Buy an Aukey QC 3.0 chargers, they are very reasonably priced and high quality. Also, BlitzWolf produces a valid Type C cables with 56k resistor. I personally use them with Aukey and HTC charger and everything is perfect and very good quality.
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So this would be one I might get because it seems OK...
http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030319&p_id=14933&seq=1&format=2
If it isn't showing the resistance should I shop someplace else?
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Here is the list of verified and proper Type C cables. I personally recommend BlitzWolf - metal connectors, braided cables, very good and robust quality.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit#gid=0
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Here is the list of verified and proper Type C cables. I personally recommend BlitzWolf - metal connectors, braided cables, very good and robust quality.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit#gid=0
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Thank you! However, can you qualify the user of the word "proper"? What aspect makes them "proper"?
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Proper means they all have 56k resistor, just like jesus said in the bible. So they are fully compatible with HTC10 and can be used with any QuickCharger or USB PD charger without risk of drawing too much power resulting in explosion. 56k resistor is the main key here and mr Benson, a Google engineer working on devices using USB PD specs which *need* a proper 56k resistor Type C cable, tests himself various cables using a hardware tester and posting reviews about good and bad cables.
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Proper means they all have 56k resistor, just like jesus said in the bible. So they are fully compatible with HTC10 and can be used with any QuickCharger or USB PD charger without risk of drawing too much power resulting in explosion. 56k resistor is the main key here and mr Benson, a Google engineer working on devices using USB PD specs which *need* a proper 56k resistor Type C cable, tests himself various cables using a hardware tester and posting reviews about good and bad cables.
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Except that this all deals with USB PD charging, not Qualcomm's Quick Charge, which is its own thing.
cf. https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge/faq
Q6: Does it matter what type of charging cable is used with a Quick Charge adapter?
A: Quick Charge is designed to be connector- and current-independent. Quick Charge is designed to be compatible with a variety of formats, including:
USB Type-A
USB micro
USB Type-C
Proprietary connectors
Quick Charge high-voltage operation is designed to minimize charging issues associated with long or thin cables, allowing for a superior charging experience, independent of cable type or cable current capability.
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cf. http://thewirecutter.com/blog/quick-charge-usb-c/
I don't like that I can't find specifics on how QC3 works exactly since I have a cable that breaks it.
Rolo42 said:
Except that this all deals with USB PD charging, not Qualcomm's Quick Charge, which is its own thing.
cf. https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge/faq
cf. http://thewirecutter.com/blog/quick-charge-usb-c/
I don't like that I can't find specifics on how QC3 works exactly since I have a cable that breaks it.
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Unfortunately you did not read the big post on this page along with the article about delivering power over usb cable.
Both QC and USB PD require cable with 56k resistor to work properly. Hence the cable for Google Pixel or HTC10 is the same. Each standard deliver power in its own way over the same cable.
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Unfortunately you did not read the big post on this page along with the article about delivering power over usb cable.
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Rather than make accusations based on assumptions, you could point out what you think I missed. I did read all the posts and links and here is what I got:
As for our device, we don't use USB PD.
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As for why some type C to type A cables don't support quick charge. I have no freaking idea.
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Each standard deliver power in its own way over the same cable.
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"It's own way" -- correct. USB-PD requires 56k termination for legacy device compatibility. Our devices use QC, not USB-PD.
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Both QC and USB PD require cable with 56k resistor to work properly.
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If this is true, it goes against Qualcomm's specs that I linked that you may or may not have read for comprehension. Qualcomm states that they have no/zero/nada/nicht/nill/null/zilch cable requirements for QC. Also, QC predates USB-PD. The two have nothing to do with each other.
More from the big post I allegedly did not read:
However we use Quick Charge. Quick Charge doesn't look for resistors, it looks for the other chip inside the charger and talks with that chip, essentially doing a digital handshake before they initiate quick charging.
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Do you have an authoritative source that shows that the 56k terminator is necessary for QC3 to work on the htc 10?
I cannot find it on Qualcomm's site or htc's site. Google Pixel and Nexus 6P sites are not authoritative sources for the htc 10 or Qualcomm Quick Charge.
I did not accuse of anything, I am not a prosecutor.
99% of cables used to charge your and mine HTC are USB A (2.0)to USB C cables. The resistor is needed so you will not draw to much current via USB A connector which is not rated for 3A. Lower value resistor will force to draw to much from USB 2.0 spec connector and cable. Simple as that. So your digital handshake between chips is worth essentially nothing if they will indeed greet and meet over cable that is not rated to pass a 3A high current which will lead to fry something.
I suggest to read the discussion in comments section on Benson Leung G+ profile. Do not get me wrong, I wasted my time to go all over it and I do not see point to go back couple of articles again just to point a few most important comments by Benson. You could do the same, because it does not matter if you believe me or not. Bottom line is, you need a 56k resistor USB A to USB C cable for HTC10. Same cable which was shipped to you by HTC in the box. If you do not believe, then take a sharp razor and disassemble your cable. They're cheap so you will get yourself a brand new one very fast.
So, check your oem cable, ask Qualcomm and HTC via mail why you need a cable with 56k resistor. Simple as that.
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99% of cables used to charge your and mine HTC are USB A (2.0)to USB C cables. The resistor is needed so you will not draw to much current via USB A connector which is not rated for 3A. Lower value resistor will force to draw to much from USB 2.0 spec connector and cable. Simple as that. So your digital handshake between chips is worth essentially nothing if they will indeed greet and meet over cable that is not rated to pass a 3A high current which will lead to fry something.
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The conclusion you drew is faulty. The pull-up resistor is needed to protect legacy equipment; it has nothing to with Quick Charge or cables/connectors being "rated for 3A" (they aren't--chargers are).
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I suggest to read the discussion in comments section on Benson Leung G+ profile.
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I have and they are all dealing with USB charging protocols, not Quick Charge.
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Bottom line is, you need a 56k resistor USB A to USB C cable for HTC10. Same cable which was shipped to you by HTC in the box. If you do not believe, then take a sharp razor and disassemble your cable. They're cheap so you will get yourself a brand new one very fast.
So, check your oem cable, ask Qualcomm and HTC via mail why you need a cable with 56k resistor. Simple as that.
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So, no, you do not have an authoritative source for Quick Charge cable compatibility for htc 10.
Did you read the Qualcomm link I sent? It does not require the pull-up resistor. htc FAQ only says "buy our [only one, short, overpriced] OEM cable"; htc tech support never replied to my query.
Ok, it is no use to continue this further. Everybody will do as they want and will be happy. You can recommend cables without or with any other lower resistor and I will recommend with 56k as I did before that actually are working.
Still I can wait for your cable disassembly as last proof that I am completely wrong but I think that will not change anything at all in this discussion.
I have a fairly old laptop, and it only has the USB A connector on it
Any idea which USB C to USB A data cable I can use to connect Moto Z Play to Windows 7 laptop?
thanks!
animefans said:
I have a fairly old laptop, and it only has the USB A connector on it
Any idea which USB C to USB A data cable I can use to connect Moto Z Play to Windows 7 laptop?
thanks!
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I haven't received mine yet but I assume an A to micro plugged into a Micro female to C male adapter will work just fine for charge and xfers. But again, I haven't tested it yet. Both can be had for cheap on ebay.
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I haven't received mine yet but I assume an A to mini plugged into a mini to C adapter will work just fine for charge and xfers. But again, I haven't tested it yet. Both can be had for cheap on ebay.
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This is my first time dealing with USB C cable, but I have read (headline mostly) that USB C cable is pretty picky, and some can even fried the device
If you don't mind, can you let me know your experience with the adapter?
Thanks!
animefans said:
This is my first time dealing with USB C cable, but I have read (headline mostly) that USB C cable is pretty picky, and some can even fried the device
If you don't mind, can you let me know your experience with the adapter?
Thanks!
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Yes, my first time with USB-C connector.
1. important change in my first answer - change "mini" to "micro". (I keep confusing the 2 in my speak! I have tons of "A to micro" cables lying around to charge things like my cell phones etc. So I got and ordered adapters which go micro female to C male. I have no idea if they will be problematic.
2. been lazy so finally ordered a couple cables on ebay with description "USB-C 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Sync Data Charger Fast Charging Cable" - the important thing for me being the 3.0 type A. Even though realistically, I believe we are only using 4 conductors on a regular-speed power charge or data xfer. But the high speed charge probably uses more, but that's a separate cable attached to the wall wart charger.
3. as to them frying things , i googled and found many many many reports about that one incident. I actually expected more. What you could do to minimize this is eyeball connectors before you plug them in, and possibly shut phone off (and unplug charger) and plug C connector in to phone just to make sure it slides in easily. I believe the only USB connectors I have ever had problems with were very recent: micro male attached to the end of some cheap 10-20$ "endoscopes". Really had problem getting them in to my Moto G3, but no shorts.
Lightening can strike anywhere and anytime. We can just do our best to be careful!
Certainly I'll let you know my experience though I have yet to see the phone hit the post office.
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Yes, my first time with USB-C connector.
1. important change in my first answer - change "mini" to "micro". (I keep confusing the 2 in my speak! I have tons of "A to micro" cables lying around to charge things like my cell phones etc. So I got and ordered adapters which go micro female to C male. I have no idea if they will be problematic.
2. been lazy so finally ordered a couple cables on ebay with description "USB-C 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Sync Data Charger Fast Charging Cable" - the important thing for me being the 3.0 type A. Even though realistically, I believe we are only using 4 conductors on a regular-speed power charge or data xfer. But the high speed charge probably uses more, but that's a separate cable attached to the wall wart charger.
3. as to them frying things , i googled and found many many many reports about that one incident. I actually expected more. What you could do to minimize this is eyeball connectors before you plug them in, and possibly shut phone off (and unplug charger) and plug C connector in to phone just to make sure it slides in easily. I believe the only USB connectors I have ever had problems with were very recent: micro male attached to the end of some cheap 10-20$ "endoscopes". Really had problem getting them in to my Moto G3, but no shorts.
Lightening can strike anywhere and anytime. We can just do our best to be careful!
Certainly I'll let you know my experience though I have yet to see the phone hit the post office.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic!
I will also do my own research as well, and see what I learn
It might not be as bad as I think/perceive!
animefans said:
Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic!
I will also do my own research as well, and see what I learn
It might not be as bad as I think/perceive!
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I have the unit and have done a ton of plugging/un- and though I notice the connection is slightly stiff, I have noticed no problems with the USB-C.
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I have the unit and have done a ton of plugging/un- and though I notice the connection is slightly stiff, I have noticed no problems with the USB-C.
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I have not do very thorough reading, but from what I gather, the issue with USB-C is the potential for USB-C device (maybe 3 amps) to pull more current than the USB-A port can supply (most likely 2 amps), thus frying the USB-A port
A USB-C to USB-A cable that has 56 ohm resistor will avoid this issue by forcing the client (usb C device) to draw as much power as the host (usb A port) can supply
Here are the pages that I read on this topic
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-usb-type-c-cables-682801/
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-and-other-usb-devices-as-quickly-as-possible
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/how-to-find-safe-usb-type-c-cables
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I have not do very thorough reading, but from what I gather, the issue with USB-C is the potential for USB-C device (maybe 3 amps) to pull more current than the USB-A port can supply (most likely 2 amps), thus frying the USB-A port
A USB-C to USB-A cable that has 56 ohm resistor will avoid this issue by forcing the client (usb C device) to draw as much power as the host (usb A port) can supply
Here are the pages that I read on this topic
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-usb-type-c-cables-682801/
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-and-other-usb-devices-as-quickly-as-possible
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/how-to-find-safe-usb-type-c-cables
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Thanks for this. A close read of that indicates to me that there is going to be a ton of arguing over what is safe, and some burnt out 5v power rails in some, especially older, computers.
The mention of 56Kohm resister in cables has caused some cable sellers to advertise that, but having that, in and of itself, I believe doesn't do anything - you need load balancing circuitry in both the phone AND the charger to utilize it.
I read this quote with amusement "A good cable uses a deep-draw extrusion method that produces a Type C plug that is a single piece of metal and does not have a visible seam on one side of the plug,". My phone came with a factory Motorola hi speed charger that is rated for 5v 3a (15w), and it's C plug has just such a "bad" seam. So many people make such blanket statements that simply are not true.
I looked at one of my wall-wart chargers(this particular one is stamped Samsung) and it is rated at 5v, 0.7a (3.5w), so it's a good bet that if I plug my old A to micro to micro-to-C adapter to phone, that nothing bad will happen. Another one (Moto) rated at .8a. A 3rd one that came with my Moto G3 is rated .55a .
1)So if one goes to ebay and buys a wall wart rated at 5a and uses old cables and adapter to plug it to a Moto Z, what will happen? Dunno!
2) I have had my Moto z plugged very often to my computer with just such an arrangement and have not noticed any "fast charging".
I have a huge 850w PSU in my computer, but that does not mean that all that amperage available on the rail is permitted through the USB connection. Intel offers some ideas and I would bet that most current mobos have such limiting circuitry: I am sure older (than 10 yrs?) do not, or at least not as effective.
http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/whitepapers/power_delivery_motherboards.pdf
The phone also has smart limiting circuitry, but of course I don't know what it is.
Am I more in jeopardy with an old A to micro cable with C adapter, or a new A to C cable. Dunno. Certainly any wall wart should be from the/a phone mfgr, or rated below an amp or so. I don't know if you can make this phone fast charge for 30 min if it's rated for 3a, without an official charger. The remainder of the charge time is governed by the phone to be at a much slower rate.
With this new phone, I have yet to connect it to a wall wart other than for 5 min to the official one just to make sure it worked, and I don't recall any high speed message. It winds up getting a 100% charge just by being plugged into my computer since I am doing file transfers and the like.
As to the plugs themselves, you can run much more amperage through an A (few wide conductors) than a C (many very thin conductors).
A very great deal is being made of this one incident. It is hard for me to understand how a different cable can burn out a computer. You can run 10 amps through any cable (though it will get more than a tad warm!), but amps in a cable is not a problem. It's the governor, or lack thereof, in the source (wall wart or computer) and the target (phone or another computer). If the computer presents a short circuit to the cable, something will surely fry, but no device, these days, should ever do that.
A cable (they all are made in China, but there are many factorys there with widely varying QC), with an M stamp on it or not, is still just 4 wires in a sheath. If it is poorly made, or the connectors at the ends are poorly made or poorly attached, there will be trouble.
Okay, that's enough words for this post, but, for sure, this topic will be around forever!
EDIT: C type connectors have been in use on phones for years now. Why have we not heard of any phones destroyed???????
KrisM22 said:
Thanks for this. A close read of that indicates to me that there is going to be a ton of arguing over what is safe, and some burnt out 5v power rails in some, especially older, computers.
The mention of 56Kohm resister in cables has caused some cable sellers to advertise that, but having that, in and of itself, I believe doesn't do anything - you need load balancing circuitry in both the phone AND the charger to utilize it.
I read this quote with amusement "A good cable uses a deep-draw extrusion method that produces a Type C plug that is a single piece of metal and does not have a visible seam on one side of the plug,". My phone came with a factory Motorola hi speed charger that is rated for 5v 3a (15w), and it's C plug has just such a "bad" seam. So many people make such blanket statements that simply are not true.
I looked at one of my wall-wart chargers(this particular one is stamped Samsung) and it is rated at 5v, 0.7a (3.5w), so it's a good bet that if I plug my old A to micro to micro-to-C adapter to phone, that nothing bad will happen. Another one (Moto) rated at .8a. A 3rd one that came with my Moto G3 is rated .55a .
1)So if one goes to ebay and buys a wall wart rated at 5a and uses old cables and adapter to plug it to a Moto Z, what will happen? Dunno!
2) I have had my Moto z plugged very often to my computer with just such an arrangement and have not noticed any "fast charging".
I have a huge 850w PSU in my computer, but that does not mean that all that amperage available on the rail is permitted through the USB connection. Intel offers some ideas and I would bet that most current mobos have such limiting circuitry: I am sure older (than 10 yrs?) do not, or at least not as effective.
http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/whitepapers/power_delivery_motherboards.pdf
The phone also has smart limiting circuitry, but of course I don't know what it is.
Am I more in jeopardy with an old A to micro cable with C adapter, or a new A to C cable. Dunno. Certainly any wall wart should be from the/a phone mfgr, or rated below an amp or so. I don't know if you can make this phone fast charge for 30 min if it's rated for 3a, without an official charger. The remainder of the charge time is governed by the phone to be at a much slower rate.
With this new phone, I have yet to connect it to a wall wart other than for 5 min to the official one just to make sure it worked, and I don't recall any high speed message. It winds up getting a 100% charge just by being plugged into my computer since I am doing file transfers and the like.
As to the plugs themselves, you can run much more amperage through an A (few wide conductors) than a C (many very thin conductors).
A very great deal is being made of this one incident. It is hard for me to understand how a different cable can burn out a computer. You can run 10 amps through any cable (though it will get more than a tad warm!), but amps in a cable is not a problem. It's the governor, or lack thereof, in the source (wall wart or computer) and the target (phone or another computer). If the computer presents a short circuit to the cable, something will surely fry, but no device, these days, should ever do that.
A cable (they all are made in China, but there are many factorys there with widely varying QC), with an M stamp on it or not, is still just 4 wires in a sheath. If it is poorly made, or the connectors at the ends are poorly made or poorly attached, there will be trouble.
Okay, that's enough words for this post, but, for sure, this topic will be around forever!
EDIT: C type connectors have been in use on phones for years now. Why have we not heard of any phones destroyed???????
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Certainly a good read, and another perspective on this matter!
I can't argue with anything you said
I am also in no position to offer any additional opinion, since I don't know squat on this topic. My first USB C device
But you do touch on an excellent point: not a whole lot of reported issue with damage related to USB C.
As statistics goes, 1 sample is not representitive
It is a data point, and that's a fact, but you can't draw solid conclusion from 1 incident
animefans said:
Certainly a good read, and another perspective on this matter!
I can't argue with anything you said
I am also in no position to offer any additional opinion, since I don't know squat on this topic. My first USB C device
But you do touch on an excellent point: not a whole lot of reported issue with damage related to USB C.
As statistics goes, 1 sample is not representitive
It is a data point, and that's a fact, but you can't draw solid conclusion from 1 incident
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On the other hand I will try to get a 4-5' cable that supposedly has 56Kohm resisters in it...
KrisM22 said:
On the other hand I will try to get a 4-5' cable that supposedly has 56Kohm resisters in it...
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For science?
animefans said:
For science?
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Actually for possible protection of my old wall warts. If I understand correctly, using a 56Kohm cable keeps current low (slow charge). I'd hate to think what my wall wart would look like it my Moto z tried to pull 3 amps out of it!!!
EDIT - It also just seems a prudent thing to do...
Do you have any preferences?
I just ordered these on ebay: "USB C Cable (2-Pack 6ft) Anker PowerLine USB C to USB 3.0 Cable with 56k Ohm Pul"
Hello, I just purchased a Pixel 2 and wanted to buy a 6' cord that I can use with the fast charge. I was looking at Anker because I use them for my Nexus 6 and they work well BUT I read reviews on Amazon and I cant find one thst will fast charge. A second question is i wanted a extra brick and plug for car and I wsnted the USB ends... Thoughts?
You'll need a USB-C to USB-C cable that supports Power Delivery (PD) to connect to and fast charge with the original Pixel 2 charger.
I have these which fast charge properly: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0756QGTVQ
For a car charger, I use this Meagoes charger which also properly supports PD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076H7X8QN
The same cables as above also work properly with it, or if you prefer a shorter cable (3 ft): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L0F6AJI
For an extra wall charger, Anker has this which also fast charges properly: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y427WT7
I second this, have the same cables and just bought a second pack since they're on sale. They have the 56k Ohm resistor built-in for protection as well (from what I've read this is key to not frying your battery on usb-c/quick charge devices).
mamarcac said:
I second this, have the same cables and just bought a second pack since they're on sale. They have the 56k Ohm resistor built-in for protection as well (from what I've read this is key to not frying your battery on usb-c/quick charge devices).
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"Notes:
Not compatible with Power Delivery."
The Pixel 2 uses Power Delivery (PD) for fast charging.
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"Notes:
Not compatible with Power Delivery."
The Pixel 2 uses Power Delivery (PD) for fast charging.
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Well I've been using on my P2 for several months. I obey the Li-ion 20-80% charging suggestions by Battery University and using these cables it charges in about 45 minutes for this battery percent range. So their spec may be true but that charge is more than fast enough for me. To each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
J_T said:
You'll need a USB-C to USB-C cable that supports Power Delivery (PD) to connect to and fast charge with the original Pixel 2 charger.
I have these which fast charge properly: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0756QGTVQ
For a car charger, I use this Meagoes charger which also properly supports PD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076H7X8QN
The same cables as above also work properly with it, or if you prefer a shorter cable (3 ft): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L0F6AJI
For an extra wall charger, Anker has this which also fast charges properly: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y427WT7
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Most excellent!
I have two extra cables, one from Anker and one from the AT&T store's tech dept, both USB C to USB A. After 15 or so months, I noticed that my USB C to USB C cable no longer securely fits into the Pixel 2's USB C port. As a result, sometimes I plug in but there is no connection, i.e. no charging. The problem has spread to my Anker USB C to USB A cable. For several months I barely used the USB C to USB A cables. I requested an RMA for the Pixel 2 and the original USB C to USB C cable securely plugs into the new device suggesting the original Pixel 2's port is mysteriously damaged. Sharing this experience in case anyone else is going through or has gone through this.
The cable doesn't make much difference as long as it meets USB-C standards. The limitation is the charger; even then, I believe the Pixel 2 will fast charge at 18w, not 30.
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Ashyford said:
I have two extra cables, one from Anker and one from the AT&T store's tech dept, both USB C to USB A. After 15 or so months, I noticed that my USB C to USB C cable no longer securely fits into the Pixel 2's USB C port. As a result, sometimes I plug in but there is no connection, i.e. no charging. The problem has spread to my Anker USB C to USB A cable. For several months I barely used the USB C to USB A cables. I requested an RMA for the Pixel 2 and the original USB C to USB C cable securely plugs into the new device suggesting the original Pixel 2's port is mysteriously damaged. Sharing this experience in case anyone else is going through or has gone through this.
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I've noticed the USB port gets clogged with gunk over time. Use something thin like a plastic pick and gently scrape it out. If you can get tiny swabs, use isopropyl alcohol to clean it a little better. This solved my charging problems.
Hey guys.
Can I use cable which came with my charger (not sure if it's OEM Samsung one,suppose so) which is type C on both ends to transfer files between cellphone and my motherboard which has type C port on back of it, without a risk of damaging cellphone?
I'm an idiot using Bluetooth to share 4K video files but it's daaaaamnnn slow just because I'm anxious that somehow the short could damage the phone.
Never used type C on my MoBo (Formula VIII) and I have scond PC which has type C port on the case and on the motherboard too (Crosshair Hero VIII).
connected last night,all is okay,topic can be deleted...
paparazzo79 said:
connected last night,all is okay,topic can be deleted...
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Dont use it to update or flash. otherwise file transfer and dex are ok. If you use to to flash beware, the note hates thunderbolt and USB-C
Bomn said:
Dont use it to update or flash. otherwise file transfer and dex are ok. If you use to to flash beware, the note hates thunderbolt and USB-C
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Nope,just to transfer files,but I got issue first time that somehow it got disconected though I haven't touched nor cable nor phone,phone was lay down on bed.started transfering and then it got disconnected,probably cable is issue,bending,flexing etc...
I'm not even sure if I got brand oem cable since it's yellowish but it could be from tobacco smoke ofc...
paparazzo79 said:
Nope,just to transfer files,but I got issue first time that somehow it got disconected though I haven't touched nor cable nor phone,phone was lay down on bed.started transfering and then it got disconnected,probably cable is issue,bending,flexing etc...
I'm not even sure if I got brand oem cable since it's yellowish but it could be from tobacco smoke ofc...
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That is usually a driver issue. It happens. The most stable is definitly a USB 3 to USB-C cable, get a properly shielded one and it goes smoothly.
It's either on Thunderbolt or the Samsung/Windows Driver. This is a known issue with some laptops.
You can click my profile and see the post for updating / Reflashing the note 10
Bomn said:
That is usually a driver issue. It happens. The most stable is definitly a USB 3 to USB-C cable, get a properly shielded one and it goes smoothly.
It's either on Thunderbolt or the Samsung/Windows Driver. This is a known issue with some laptops.
You can click my profile and see the post for updating / Reflashing the note 10
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How will I know it's shielded?
Where does it make difference compared to regular one?
I have the one which came with my Ulefone Power 5S it's type C to type A,kinda very thick cable.
But affraid to use it since it's not Samsung one.
paparazzo79 said:
How will I know it's shielded?
Where does it make difference compared to regular one?
I have the one which came with my Ulefone Power 5S it's type C to type A,kinda very thick cable.
But affraid to use it since it's not Samsung one.
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If it's thick it's probably well rated and shielded. Xiaomi for example have great cables. The shielding is to reduce possibility for external signal influence. Think of it this way :
Power delivery can vary from 15watts to a lot (100 for example) - charging is specific and in these cases when using a power brick avoid non standard cables - always check if it's thick and have 2 lightning bolts on both USB ends- the lightning bolts are Thunderbolt PD delivery logos and are rated for high power delivery.
Try and always use original cable for power delivery (charging) as an accident with a non manufacturer cable can void your warranty and may not allow you for a claim. Always check on the box if you buy new, the wattage supported 15 to 100 watts in cases.
Data transfer is less of an issue since usually there is no power delivery a usb 3 cable is rated at most for 15watts max. but data transfer does not pass power on the cable. if it's thick it will be shielded and will only use the data transfer channels, not power.
Can I picture you the charger and you tell me if it's OEM or fake?
Btw so can I use cables for other brands for transfering files,such you mentioned (Xiaomi),or any other good quality usb 3.0 to type C cable?
So how will I know the cable is good quality,by the thickness?
paparazzo79 said:
How will I know it's shielded?
Where does it make difference compared to regular one?
I have the one which came with my Ulefone Power 5S it's type C to type A,kinda very thick cable.
But affraid to use it since it's not Samsung one.
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Use short, quality cables; the longer the cable the more suspectable to noise and interference it is.
blackhawk said:
Use short, quality cables; the longer the cable the more suspectable to noise and interference it is.
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May I use one which came with my Samsung tablet S5e,oem cable,but it is type c to type A for charging?
I don't care how long it will charge,I mught use that cable to tranfsfer files,too,right?
paparazzo79 said:
May I use one which came with my Samsung tablet S5e,oem cable,but it is type c to type A for charging?
I don't care how long it will charge,I mught use that cable to tranfsfer files,too,right?
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Don't know, mine are both type C connectors.
Any cable will slow charge.
paparazzo79 said:
Can I picture you the charger and you tell me if it's OEM or fake?
Btw so can I use cables for other brands for transfering files,such you mentioned (Xiaomi),or any other good quality usb 3.0 to type C cable?
So how will I know the cable is good quality,by the thickness?
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Sure, tranfering data is no issue, just avoid the C port for the moment until PD delivery is standardized. PD delivery has too many options and is not standard between brands.
Check this out : switchchargers.com/what-is-fast-charging/
Bomn said:
Sure, tranfering data is no issue, just avoid the C port for the moment until PD delivery is standardized. PD delivery has too many options and is not standard between brands.
Check this out : switchchargers.com/what-is-fast-charging/
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what is PD Delivery,and why to avoid type C cable,don't understand?
It will either fast charge or not.
Get OEM bricks/cables and there's no fast charging issues.
No issues ever though with the Samsung ones.
For slow charging and data transfers any quality 3ft cable will do.
Longer cables tend to fail quicker and cause problems that outweighs their convenience.
blackhawk said:
It will either fast charge or not.
Get OEM bricks/cables and there's no fast charging issues.
No issues ever though with the Samsung ones.
For slow charging and data transfers any quality 3ft cable will do.
Longer cables tend to fail quicker and cause problems that outweighs their convenience.
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This, this is correct...