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[Q] Root imediately or wait?

Can anyone give me their opinions rooting right away vs waiting? I'm coming from a 2 generation ago HTC with root and unlocked bootloader, s-off. I'd hate to delay rooting but I'm wondering how things have gone lately in the Samsung world.
-If I wait, will there likely be another method of rooting that would somehow be better than Chainfire's current method? (Won't trip knox or void warranty or something along those lines)?
-Would I be better off taking any OTA's that are available upon getting the phone before rooting or could those OTA's prevent root if I take them?
Any other reason why someone might delay rooting?

I personally probably will root it if a method is available (haven't verified yet.)
Primary reason being is to make transferring from my previous phone a lot less painless with titanium backup.
Or maybe I won't, because it won't be long before I'd want to flash a custom debloated rom.
Decisions decisions...

the only reason to wait is you want to maintain your warranty. If you pretty good with figuring out issues, it may not be an issue.
Me, 99% I'm not waiting. If I have time, it''ll be one of the first things I do. If not, I'll do it following day.

I enjoy Samsung devices but they usually leave me no choice but to root to remove some of the bloat that I don't really want. So for me it will happen once a cf auto root occurs!

There is no root for sprint yet. Big freaking bummer.

I wouldn't worry about that at all. Chainfire has already released CF Root for like seven different models of the Note 4 - Exynos and Snapdragon models. I would give it a day or a few after official release of our Note 4 until we have root.
And anyways back to the OP - I will be rooting as soon as I get my phone and charge it to full haha. I'm going to need to erase like a million apk's from /system to get rid of plenty of the carrier and Samsung bloat.
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Bah to root, im going to be busy working on recovery, to me thats far more important

as much as im gonna hate moving to a new device not having root i think i am going to hold off on root till a method that does not trip knox is introduced. Or a way to use the samsung dongle with knox tripped is introduced. I don't care about warranty but the limit to use accessories is a game stopper for me. I mean with knox flag stop the VR glasses from working. to many unknowns right now.

shabbypenguin said:
Bah to root, im going to be busy working on recovery, to me thats far more important
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Does that mean we can expect some custom ROMs from you?
Not too shabby

filebug said:
... a way to use the samsung dongle with knox tripped is introduced. ... but the limit to use accessories is a ... with knox flag stop the VR glasses from working ...
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It that really true. If the knox is trigger using accessories such as the VR or Galaxy Gear watches won't work? What the heck? I thought knox was introduced by corporate people to have a more secure phone. Although the rooted use is a small portion of people, just seen short sighted to me.

I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.

shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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anyone else?

lovekeiiy said:
It that really true. If the knox is trigger using accessories such as the VR or Galaxy Gear watches won't work? What the heck? I thought knox was introduced by corporate people to have a more secure phone. Although the rooted use is a small portion of people, just seen short sighted to me.
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It is for corporate security, not sure where he got all that "additional" info from.

Systom said:
anyone else?
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I second this. I used T Mobile's root From Chainfire with no problems. All root apps work great. Everything works as it should.

Systom said:
anyone else?
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Confirmed. The root located below seems to work on our Sprint phones.
http://download.chainfire.eu/571/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root-trltetmo-trltetmo-smn910t.zip
I'm hoping I can download the full ROM before I start whacking up my system.

So I imagine this root method will trip knox right?

kosmo42o said:
So I imagine this root method will trip knox right?
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Yes

you dont say ???
shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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And which model is your note ??

Successfully rooted on the sprint note 4 using the tmobile auto root!

shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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Yep, works fine. TB is restoring my apps as I type this. Just choose "Normal" for SuperSU to update the binary. Don't forget to install the FixSD app to allow the correct writing permissions that they talk about in the T-Mobile forum.

[Q] Best start for a newbie

Hi guys looking for abit of help on ROM and Kernels
Bought my tabpro 10.1 yesterday as it was very cheap.
Im coming from nexus devices so need stock as possible and fast etc. Any recommendations? Thanks

While ROM recommendations (comparisons, etc.) are technically allowed now, due to relatively recent rule changes, I'm still not a fan of them for good reason. Which is the best ROM (recommended ROM, fastest, etc) is completely subjective. And such discussions just devolve into a popularity contest.
ROM choices are very limited for the 10.1, anyway. Just pick one or a couple that look good, and flash away.

redpoint73 said:
While ROM recommendations (comparisons, etc.) are technically allowed now, due to relatively recent rule changes, I'm still not a fan of them for good reason. Which is the best ROM (recommended ROM, fastest, etc) is completely subjective. And such discussions just devolve into a popularity contest.
ROM choices are very limited for the 10.1, anyway. Just pick one or a couple that look good, and flash away.
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Does samsung still have the Knox counter which voids warranty the second i flash anything like the S3's ?

Unicornzz said:
Does samsung still have the Knox counter which voids warranty the second i flash anything like the S3's ?
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The KNOX flag will be tripped, but folks on here claim it doesn't have anything to do with warranty.
Personally, I've always considered the warranty on any of these devices to be somewhat of a possible sacrifice to be able to use the device how I want, flash ROMs, etc.

redpoint73 said:
The KNOX flag will be tripped, but folks on here claim it doesn't have anything to do with warranty.
Personally, I've always considered the warranty on any of these devices to be somewhat of a possible sacrifice to be able to use the device how I want, flash ROMs, etc.
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Well i voided both my nexus warranty's within 5 mins via flashing but i could set them back if i so wished to.
I may run it normally for a month to make sure of no hardware issue's and then mess with it
I picked it up for £200 so not too much anyhow with my nexus 7 being sold to fund it too

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I may run it normally for a month to make sure of no hardware issue's and then mess with it
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Its a good idea to do so. Although I don't always get anywhere close to a month. I unlocked the bootloader on my HTC M8 the day after I go it, since I couldn't stand the carrier bloatware!
But I actually lasted pretty long with my Samsung tablets before rooting (WiFi only, so no carrier bloat).

Unicornzz said:
Hi guys looking for abit of help on ROM and Kernels
Bought my tabpro 10.1 yesterday as it was very cheap.
Im coming from nexus devices so need stock as possible and fast etc. Any recommendations? Thanks
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I would recommend CM11. It works great on my 8.4" model, and looks supported on yours, too: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Picassowifi_Info
(Assuming you have the Wifi-only. I don't believe the cellular ones are supported)

Unicornzz said:
Does samsung still have the Knox counter which voids warranty the second i flash anything like the S3's ?
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Investigate Towelroot. I put CM11 on my tab pro 8.4 a long time ago and have never looked back, but many Samsung devices can be rooted with Towelroot without tripping the Knox flag.
I do not know if TR supports your device.
Installing a ROM will trip it, but with rooted stock you retain your warranty and you can get rid of things you don't like about the stock OS more effectively than without, plus make backups of apps with Titanium.

roustabout said:
Investigate Towelroot. I put CM11 on my tab pro 8.4 a long time ago and have never looked back, but many Samsung devices can be rooted with Towelroot without tripping the Knox flag.
I do not know if TR supports your device.
Installing a ROM will trip it, but with rooted stock you retain your warranty and you can get rid of things you don't like about the stock OS more effectively than without, plus make backups of apps with Titanium.
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Towelroot only work with Qualcomm Snapdragon, and I also believe Framaroot is a dead end. The 10.2 and 12.2 wifi are both Exynos 5420, why your only root option, currently, is CF-Auto-Root. Yes, you will definitely trip Knox. However, there's a possibility that [root] Triangle Away can undo it, but it might only work with Snap and/or earlier Exynos as well.

Anyone tried Lollipop on these yet? I picked up an 8.4 yesterday and am curious to try the latest and greatest.

Are they even getting lollipop?

Think they are slated to get it. No reason it shouldn't work on them.

From the S5 to S6E or 6??

So I want to switch from my s5 to the 6E but is it really worth it to get over the regular 6 in your guys opinions? I have the 64GB in Black probably. And coming from an S5 to the Edge, is there any major differences on this phone while using ODIN to root? Anything I should be aware of before I try to root the phone, or what recovery should I be using.... I dont not want a brick lol and just want to be on the safe side. I haven't done this stuff in over a year so I feel very far behind everyone else. Thanks
Edit- I also have a macbook so will I be affected at all trying to root my phone?

If you can use a stock phone that works great out of the box, with all its premium features working, that can make /receive calls all day, text, multitask like a boss and take super photos like a premium camera and have a unique look that NO Other Phone has. Get yourself a GS6 Edge.
If you want root and custom roms & features, stay with your S5 until the Dev's figure out how to get past the bootloader securities that Samsung has put in place to prevent anything custom from being flashed to the phone.
There are procedures for rooting and custom recovery that claim it works but you trip Knox, lose fingerprint scanner, lose call audio and some other stuff I can't remember right now.
??? In my book they don't work. ???
Balls in your court.
I was looking forward to root, but not until it's foolproof, for now I'm really enjoying my Gold stock GS6E with great battery life and a look that everyone wants to touch.
Pp.

PanchoPlanet said:
There are procedures for rooting and custom recovery that claim it works but you trip Knox, lose fingerprint scanner, lose call audio and some other stuff I can't remember right now.
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Pretty much the current story is:
- Want root on 5.0.2 without tripping Knox? No problem, so long as you haven't upgraded to 5.1.1 (OF6) yet. Reasonably high chances that new phones are shipping with 5.1.1 already.
- Want root on 5.1.1? You'll need a custom kernel that disables dm_verity and sets SEAndroid to Permissive. But flashing a custom kernel will void Knox.
- Want root on 5.1.1 but without tripping Knox? You'll need an engineering bootloader before flashing anything. Side-effects currently include: no fingerprint scanner. In-call audio seems to be working now, if you're running the correct [custom] kernel for your device.
- Want root on 5.1.1 without tripping Knox and without any side-effects? Too bad.
- Want root on 5.1.1 without any side-effects, and don't care about Knox? Easy, and it's working great.
Edit: Forgot to mention, if you're on a Verizon or Sprint device... good luck. Last I hear, due to locked bootloaders, 5.1.1 = no root whatsoever.

Don't forget any new phones recently purchased after June update will only have 5.1.1 firmware. No 5.0.2 .
Pp.

Stay with your GS5. Development for this phone (S6 and S6e) is going at the speed of fart. I'm a flashoholic. I've owned the phone for less than two months and am already extremely bored with it.

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Don't forget any new phones recently purchased after June update will only have 5.1.1 firmware. No 5.0.2 .
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I mentioned that, kinda.

They're just 2 different phones. Not even sure there's such thing as better. S6 will have faster updates which i think is due to elimination of sd card support and sealed battery which people find as a detractor. Camera is better with s6 and has silent option without turning off all phone sounds. Quick charging on a regular sized port is good on S6. I like the edge for lazy scrolling of not reaching around the bezel on S6 Edge. I do think the screen looks nicer on the S6 as well. I'd really say to play with it at the store and decide. I use my wife's S5 for stuff and find that it's just fine. Not brave enough to test the waterproofing on a phone that's not mine, but my friend in Cali takes pictures in the pool with his and I think that it's a good feature as long as nothing goes wrong.

Thanks guys for the quick replies!

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Pretty much the current story is:
- Want root on 5.0.2 without tripping Knox? No problem, so long as you haven't upgraded to 5.1.1 (OF6) yet. Reasonably high chances that new phones are shipping with 5.1.1 already.
- Want root on 5.1.1? You'll need a custom kernel that disables dm_verity and sets SEAndroid to Permissive. But flashing a custom kernel will void Knox.
- Want root on 5.1.1 but without tripping Knox? You'll need an engineering bootloader before flashing anything. Side-effects currently include: no fingerprint scanner. In-call audio seems to be working now, if you're running the correct [custom] kernel for your device.
- Want root on 5.1.1 without tripping Knox and without any side-effects? Too bad.
- Want root on 5.1.1 without any side-effects, and don't care about Knox? Easy, and it's working great.
Edit: Forgot to mention, if you're on a Verizon or Sprint device... good luck. Last I hear, due to locked bootloaders, 5.1.1 = no root whatsoever.
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Great info!!! Will keep in mind all of this. And I'm on Tmobile... Will prob wait for the devs to get this figured out. I like flashing roms due to less bloat ware and usually a good solid battery life.

Brad4891 said:
Great info!!! Will keep in mind all of this. And I'm on Tmobile... Will prob wait for the devs to get this figured out. I like flashing roms due to less bloat ware and usually a good solid battery life.
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The ROMs will probably be mainly TW-based if the Exynos thing hasn't been overcome for AOS/KP.

S6 edge. I rooted this bad boy and tripped the Knox no problem and using a stock rom which is much faster with awesome battery life.
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Official Recoveries and Kernels that trips you up called KNOX.

Everywhere I read about how people are afraid to trip KNOX, will flashing this trip it.. YES what I understand is that FLASHING anything that is an Unofficial Recovery or Kernel is what will trip this security feature, TRIPPING KNOX will DISABLE SAMSUNG PAY
Samsung Pay relies on the security features of KNOX. Once KNOX is tripped you can't go back.
1st question is how can we make an Official Kernel with ROOT...???
2nd question is what makes it Official to begin with..???????,
no where have I seen any forum discuss how these companies make Official Firmware and kernels, Seems like every phone company can alter Official Firmware and kernels to suit the needs and its still an Official update and does not trip KNOX.
Just curious as to the inner workings on being Official. Would be nice to see a Official Rooted Kernel kind of like the leaked T-Mobile Engineering Kernel but even it was limited in ways.
Anyway about KNOX... trip it.
If you are just using your phone for personal and like custom roms tripping KNOX means nothing and its OKAY.
If your going to use Samsung Pay then step away from ROOT and don't look back. Tripping Knox is not for you.
As far as I can tell the only people who can't root are the people who work for big business and have work related files on their phones, KNOX is going to make a partition and keep all this stuff secret for them so if you rooted your phone and work for lets say the "Department of Defense" chances of you getting fired and your phone destroyed are like 100% so if your the sole owner of your phone and like to tinker with custom roms TRIP KNOX its okay, I just wish we had a way to make Official Firmware and Kernels but I can see problems for big business if we did.

Not to be mean, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I am only saying that so that anyone else reading this knows that.
"Official Kernel With Root" is not going to happen.
If you trip Knox, you will not be able to use Samsung features such as Samsung Pay. This is important to a number of people.
You really should do some research before posting.

Your not being mean at all but you did not answer either, why is it not going to happen? I would like to know what makes it official and why can't it be done?
I get Samsung pay users, but for those who Root usually are going to flash custom roms and don't care about that feature, if your using Samsung pay then you need KNOX to keep your data secure. I will edit the OP and state the facts for those who don't already know about this.

It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1

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It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1
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So true, but I been looking at this 2 ways, as what I read and heard from Samsung about KNOX is you have software which is what the security Suite of apps is all about, it handles all the security features, the KNOX (EFUSE) when rooted or phone is set to custom trips the KNOX Counter which Samsung told me in an email its not connected to the Software Suite for Security, its in place to tell them (Samsung) that the phone has been altered, which VOIDS the WARRANTY and Samsung can refuse to fix your phone. I am trying to get more answers from Samsung about why Samsung Pay stops working if this (Efuse) KNOX Counter is tripped, so far they say the Counter is not related to the software suite. I get no direct answer about it. They don't claim is stops Samsung Pay from working but they really don't tell me why it does stop it either.
UPDATE: " just got an email back from a tech at Samsung, tells me if phone is rooted or custom or if the knox counter is 0x1 you can not install samsung pay, told me the counter is part of the security being used in the Knox Suite." So I guess they are linked then.

Well i see what your getting at i think, but seems like no one has had an issue getting a replacement device with knox tripped. And samsung pay does not even open after tripping when it previously worked. So someone is lying.
Look at all the problems with apple pay. If you dont want your bank account tapped or credit cards maxxed dont break knox. On my opinion its not even that great of a feature, most banks dont support it, and many card terminals wont either until they get updated.

I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.

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I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.
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I am still a newbie at this , I rooted my moto razor when I first got it, best damn phone at the time, then I got into Samsung because the camera was better, first Samsung was the S4, what an upgrade from moto... I rooted and tweaked it and never left Android 4.2.2, its still that way, but I wanted a better camera and thought everyone was all happy about lollipop so I got a S6, which it has KNOX, my old s4 has no knox not even in the bootloader, I used triangle away to reset the binary counter but with this S6 I am torn between root or no root, am I going to custom it out or stick around to see if Samsung Pay will actually work out. Rooting does have a purpose but if manufacturers would just let us get rid of bloat maybe the phones could be ours. I also wondered about if rooting would leave your phone open to security risks, I thought you had to grant root access to get into the sandbox.???

I disabled everything i dont use so almost feels like no bloat lol. If you open knox you can set it to be a launcher and have a different set of apps, background and so on. Its nice to keep work separate from regular life. But with root you can achieve a lot of cool things. But after years of rooting and custom roms i am happy with a vanilla phone........ for know haha

What will rooting the S9/S9+ break?

Hi all,
Most of the (advanced) users are already familiar with KNOX on Samsung devices.
Since it is a feature making the device secure in terms of keeping the system unmodified, it is well know that rooting it will trigger the KNOX eFuse and security features using it will stop working for good.
Now my question to which I cannot find a strait answer to is...
What will stop working if KNOX is triggered besides Samsung pay and Secure folder?
Will the fingerprint, IRIS/face unlock... still work?
And are there any more downsides?
Thanks!

dedabrane said:
Hi all,
Most of the (advanced) users are already familiar with KNOX on Samsung devices.
Since it is a feature making the device secure in terms of keeping the system unmodified, it is well know that rooting it will trigger the KNOX eFuse and security features using it will stop working for good.
Now my question to which I cannot find a strait answer to is...
What will stop working if KNOX is triggered besides Samsung pay and Secure folder?
Will the fingerprint, IRIS/face unlock... still work?
And are there any more downsides?
Thanks!
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I think it breaks S health also if im not mistaken.
Iris, fingerprints etc not affected
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

The Health App is pretty effective, so it's a shame to lose it. Mainly for the heart rate monitor, personally. (I have some BPM issues.)
Other than that, not sure.

Will this can be fixed with some patch?
Im coming from xperia, which there always a drm fix patch for newer device so we get the lost features back like x-reality, camera etc.
Also we can relock the BL with the backup so the device can be virgin again in case I want to sell it.
So what about the s9+? Can galaxy phone have the nox and all of its features back if we un-root it?
I have this device for 2 months now but still scared to root it since this is my first samsung device.

fizhsmile said:
Will this can be fixed with some patch?
Im coming from xperia, which there always a drm fix patch for newer device so we get the lost features back like x-reality, camera etc.
Also we can relock the BL with the backup so the device can be virgin again in case I want to sell it.
So what about the s9+? Can galaxy phone have the nox and all of its features back if we un-root it?
I have this device for 2 months now but still scared to root it since this is my first samsung device.
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No.
Once knox is tripped its permanent and all the things that breaks stay broken.
Theres is an abundance of info on this and its common knowledge for us sammy guys. Hit that search button and start reading up on all the samsung quirks so you dont have any surprises. Your very smart to wait as you have so you dont do something you cant undo!
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There is a fix for S Health, I have it working on mine by following this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/guide-how-to-s-health-devices-knox-t3543306

There is ways around this Knox trip. Also read most ROMs and kernels remove any Knox

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There is ways around this Knox trip. Also read most ROMs and kernels remove any Knox
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The KNOX that rooting trips and the KNOX that breaks Samsung apps is nothing to do with any ROM, it is a hardware e-fuse
There are workarounds to get some of the apps working again, but once you trip KNOX to 0x1, it's permanent