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[Q] Recover rom from non-root Desire

Title says it all.
I am new to the android world and the information you get from a google search is convoluted at best.
I have a desire that I rooted using UnRevoked3. I was however misled by all the research I did that I could make a backup of my system and data before the generic rom was flashed. I now have a rooted phone without any backup to revert back to.
My phone is Ntelos CDMA HTC Desire android 2.1
I do however have access to a non-rooted (same phone and network) phone if it is at all possible to recover the recovery and system partitions without rooting the phone my cousin will let me do so.
Can this be done? if so a detailed explanation of how to do it would be helpful.

waynestir said:
Title says it all.
I am new to the android world and the information you get from a google search is convoluted at best.
I have a desire that I rooted using UnRevoked3. I was however misled by all the research I did that I could make a backup of my system and data before the generic rom was flashed. I now have a rooted phone without any backup to revert back to.
My phone is Ntelos CDMA HTC Desire android 2.1
I do however have access to a non-rooted (same phone and network) phone if it is at all possible to recover the recovery and system partitions without rooting the phone my cousin will let me do so.
Can this be done? if so a detailed explanation of how to do it would be helpful.
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If I understand correctly you want to "unroot" you phone. This is done by installing htc Sync and running the appropriate RUU from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695667.
Thre is no reason, besides the fact that you want to return your phone for warranty purposes and/or that you want to have stock system, for you to revert to stock.
Copying and pasting backups seems like a very bad idea since there might be subtle differences between phones which thus might generate more problems than it solves.
I'm not saying that it's not possible, it's not recommended. There are a bunch of other safer alternatives.

Yes I want to revert to stock rom which I no longer have. I just wanted to experiment a little. I never would have done in the first place had I known there would be no going back.
There are no stock roms availibe for my phone. I need a RUU from Ntelos not verison or USCC.

No need to, you can't backup a unrooted rom. Since you are already rooted just make a nandroid of that rom to revert to. Only when things go really wrong you need to use the ruu.
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TheGhost1233 said:
No need to, you can't backup a unrooted rom. Since you are already rooted just make a nandroid of that rom to revert to. Only when things go really wrong you need to use the ruu.
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No its just that nobody has sorted out how. I ran the US Cellular update on my phone and got a stock USSC non-root phone working on Ntelos network. I then ran root again to get my data back of course.
Their app runs on windows pc and doesn't require special access such as root. All the capability is there I'm sure. just under lock and key.

waynestir said:
No its just that nobody has sorted out how. I ran the US Cellular update on my phone and got a stock USSC non-root phone working on Ntelos network. I then ran root again to get my data back of course.
Their app runs on windows pc and doesn't require special access such as root. All the capability is there I'm sure. just under lock and key.
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What do you mean by getting your data back ? All your data is lost (contacts, apps, messages, etc) when you flash a new ROM. The only things that stay intact are those which you have saved on your SD.

There are plenty of ways to backup stuff from unrooted devices. However non of them provide any useful safety backup regarding rooting or flashing.
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paul.c said:
What do you mean by getting your data back ? All your data is lost (contacts, apps, messages, etc) when you flash a new ROM. The only things that stay intact are those which you have saved on your SD.
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from a backup that I had made prior to flash.

TheGhost1233 said:
There are plenty of ways to backup stuff from unrooted devices. However non of them provide any useful safety backup regarding rooting or flashing.
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If there are ways then that is what I am looking for. I have no memory of Unix/Linux command line. I'm sure I have a text laying around somewhere and could refresh my memory. However I elect to ask those in the know to guide me.
I simply want to get a stock system rom from the same make and model phone on the same network without voiding the warranty on that phone. My service provider had very little bloat ware and didn't remove apps that I found missing in the verizon/US Cell stock roms. My phone being root or not is not the question. For that I don't care accept if I ever need warranty work done. And that is just my luck sometimes so.. better safe than sorry.

[Q] root

hello,
My wife has a WFS and has a lot of apps preinstalled on her phone.
i looked a time ago to root it to remove them, but in that time, i didn't found a solution.
Now i see that there are a lot of apps an methots to root it, putting it S-off, ...
but i'm not sure which one to use.
What do i want?
I want to be able to remove all preinstalled apps, without loosing all the data/other apps/... there are on at this moment.
What is a good methot doing so?
tx!

I am definitely not an expert, but I've been playing a lot with my WFS. To clear those pre installed apps, you need admin privileges, ie root access. The most simple solution I used was a dedicated tool, unlockroot http://www.unlockroot.com. But, as a prerequisite, phone must be S-on. Otherwise, you will have to S-On it first.
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koenh78 said:
hello,
My wife has a WFS and has a lot of apps preinstalled on her phone.
i looked a time ago to root it to remove them, but in that time, i didn't found a solution.
Now i see that there are a lot of apps an methots to root it, putting it S-off, ...
but i'm not sure which one to use.
What do i want?
I want to be able to remove all preinstalled apps, without loosing all the data/other apps/... there are on at this moment.
What is a good methot doing so?
tx!
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here you go...
these are the tutorial links...
1) to unlock bootloader http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432199
2) to root ur device http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1195275
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Tx!
What is see in the tutorials is that
1) you need an unlocked bootloader to step 2.
2) You loose all data in step 1.
They advice to do a full phone backup, but how can i do this?
Isn't there another way of rooting, without loosing all data?
gr

koenh78 said:
Tx!
What is see in the tutorials is that
1) you need an unlocked bootloader to step 2.
2) You loose all data in step 1.
They advice to do a full phone backup, but how can i do this?
Isn't there another way of rooting, without loosing all data?
gr
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im not sure about that.... take all apk backup...(using some market software like android assistant) but you have to lose your preferences and settings..... this is what i done....
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koenh78 said:
Tx!
What is see in the tutorials is that
1) you need an unlocked bootloader to step 2.
2) You loose all data in step 1.
They advice to do a full phone backup, but how can i do this?
Isn't there another way of rooting, without loosing all data?
gr
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If your phone has already an unlocked bootloader (ie S-off) and then you just want to root it, without loosing anything and without having to backup any single piece of data, unlockroot is the simple way to go. I gave the link in my previous post.
But if you need to S-off it first, then you definitely need to backup some data. As far as I know, you may have to backup call logs, sms. Exports your contacts lists as vCard on your sDcard (or synchronized them with an online account, as you like).
You may also want to backup some user applications. You can use ApkManagerPlus (search it on the Google store), it can export user apps as apk files on the sdCard. Or just use Airdroid (available on the Google Store, too), which is awesome at that, too.
All of them are freely available apps.
If you have access to a stock based recovery, perform a nandroid backup too.
Then connect the phone as a mass storage and copy the whole contents on your PC.
That should be enough precautions before trying to unlock the bootloader.

M8 dual sim - MM - Root

Hi,
With so much information around, I think I'm just a little lost.
I have the HTC M8 DualSim (international version) and recently got the Marshmallow update via OTA.
I really need to get rid of the bloatware and hence require Root access.
Problem -> everywhere I read, it says 1st unlock the boot loader , which will wipe all data.
I need to keep all the data as-is and my paranoia won't let me backup everything to HTC's backup
any solutions please?
(the phone is very much stock, no changes made to anything)
Thanks!

There are numerous ways to backup your personal data. You should never rely on it being solely on the phone, if that data is important to you. Even without unlocking the bootloader, there is always a chance of random device failure or other causes of partial or complete data loss.

redpoint73 said:
There are numerous ways to backup your personal data. You should never rely on it being solely on the phone, if that data is important to you. Even without unlocking the bootloader, there is always a chance of random device failure or other causes of partial or complete data loss.
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Thank you @redpoint73
I do backup my all my data to the pc quite often.
Just wondering if there was a way to root without data loss.
Would be great if you could point me in the right direction please

aliyawar said:
Just wondering if there was a way to root without data loss.
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I don't think there is a current way to do that. Unless kingroot works on MM.

[Solved]Full Device Backup - Non-Root

Hey! So I'm facing a unique situation with my wife's HTC One M8--
She wants to join the rooted world with me, but has a ton of App data on games and the sort that she doesn't want to lose. I can of course back up all settings, contacts, pictures, videos, etc without an issue, but I have never been able to successfully back up in-game / app settings on a non-rooted phone. Titanium Backup has been my go-to for this feature
My question is-- is there a way to do this on a completely non-rooted Sprint HTC One M8? I'd love to be able to help her along with this, as it's exciting to me that she wants to dabble in something as geektastic as rooting / custom roms /etc. I've seen a lot of potential methods via searching myself, but a lot of these options seem unable to actually back up specific app data. This is on Marshmallow, completely stock, locked bootloader.
Thank you for any help!

Try to link your games to facebook or having an online log in, but most most games I played won't work from my experience. Unlocking your boot loader will wipe your internal storage as well. Try Helium for backing up your app and data (for non-rooted phones) but they have a limit in terms of the size of the backup data and I couldn't use my SD card to back up for some reason
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gtfour88 said:
Try to link your games to facebook or having an online log in, but most most games I played won't work from my experience. Unlocking your boot loader will wipe your internal storage as well. Try Helium for backing up your app and data (for non-rooted phones) but they have a limit in terms of the size of the backup data and I couldn't use my SD card to back up for some reason
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Aye, you've unfortunately hit the nail on the head for why I'm having trouble doing this
A lot of these games have some kind of online access and information keeping, but often will not track unlocks not purchased with real currency, in-game currency, and the sort. Never had any luck with Helium aside from backing up a couple of tiny apps that really didn't need it to begin with

Pushing up-- bumping, if this is allowed. Hopefully somebody knows a bit more

Do it with ADB
adb backup -apk -shared -all -f C:\Users\NAME\backup.ab to backup (replace "NAME" with your windows user name)
adb restore C:\Users\NAME\backup.ab to restore (replacing "NAME" again, of course)

xunholyx said:
Do it with ADB
adb backup -apk -shared -all -f C:\Users\NAME\backup.ab to backup (replace "NAME" with your windows user name)
adb restore C:\Users\NAME\backup.ab to restore (replacing "NAME" again, of course)
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Glorious! Does this back up app progress and the sort? I had heard of an adb method but had no idea what to look for

Anonaru said:
Glorious! Does this back up app progress and the sort? I had heard of an adb method but had no idea what to look for
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It should, yes.

xunholyx said:
Do it with ADB
adb backup -apk -shared -all -f C:\Users\NAME\backup.ab to backup (replace "NAME" with your windows user name)
adb restore C:\Users\NAME\backup.ab to restore (replacing "NAME" again, of course)
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xunholyx said:
It should, yes.
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You're a saint, thanks a million!

You could also use SunShine and S-OFF your device. Then you can do backups via TWRP (Recovery) or with Titanium Backup (root needed).

Lupus77 said:
You could also use SunShine and S-OFF your device. Then you can do backups via TWRP (Recovery) or with Titanium Backup (root needed).
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Thanks incoming
I thought about Sunshine, but I'm not positive I want to deal with what might happen if I give my fully amateur wife an s-off M8 to tinker with :laugh:
If nothing else, I'll give this a shot as well-- at least temporary for backup purposes

If you just want a one time backup, you could relock your device afterwards. But I wouldn't suggest this, as this can prevent you from running SunShine again.
But as a small precaution, you could leave the original recovery, so she can't tinker with booting to recovery and do stuff she shouldn't. You on the other hand, can easily boot directly from the recovery image with fastboot, without flashing the recovery. Just type fastboot boot recovery.img and it will boot into recovery without overwriting the original recovery.
My wife has an S-OFF HTC One m7 and so far nothing happened.

Lupus77 said:
If you just want a one time backup, you could relock your device afterwards. But I wouldn't suggest this, as this can prevent you from running SunShine again.
But as a small precaution, you could leave the original recovery, so she can't tinker with booting to recovery and do stuff she shouldn't. You on the other hand, can easily boot directly from the recovery image with fastboot, without flashing the recovery. Just type fastboot boot recovery.img and it will boot into recovery without overwriting the original recovery.
My wife has an S-OFF HTC One m7 and so far nothing happened.
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Yes, but Sunshine cost $25. Quite a lot for a one time thing. And S-Off is unnecessary for installing TWRP. You just need to unlock your bootloader via htcdev.com for free.

Unlock via htcdev wipes your device. That's the thing the thread starter tries to avoid. The only options are SunShine or the adb method, the latter is painfully slow. Or try Helium ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup ) which also uses adb backup.

xunholyx said:
Yes, but Sunshine cost $25. Quite a lot for a one time thing. And S-Off is unnecessary for installing TWRP. You just need to unlock your bootloader via htcdev.com for free.
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With the knowledge that re-locking can possibly break Sunshine, I definitely won't be taking this route. At least until I'm positive that she's not going to brick it
Got everything I need here, so thanks again lads! :good:

Root without wipe?

Time to retire my TMO G8, but I've been using it unrooted for years, because it wasnt available when i first got the phone. Ive been out of the scene since the G6, so im not sure what a lot of the common tools are, TWRP i know, but whats a firehose? Basically, I want to be able to take a full backup of my app data, ideally using titanium backup, but ill take what i can get, as long as it dosent involve a device wipe. do i have any options?

ZeikHunter said:
Time to retire my TMO G8, but I've been using it unrooted for years, because it wasnt available when i first got the phone. Ive been out of the scene since the G6, so im not sure what a lot of the common tools are, TWRP i know, but whats a firehose? Basically, I want to be able to take a full backup of my app data, ideally using titanium backup, but ill take what i can get, as long as it dosent involve a device wipe. do i have any options?
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So, look at this thread for discussion re backup non root device. It's in the Sammy forums but much of it is relevant to any non root device.
I'd ask though, what did you plan on using root for? You need Magisk to get root, and normally when it's installed data has to be wiped and you flash dm-verity to now have unencrypted data partition. If you don't do that, data will remain encrypted and inaccessible (except by the device of course).
a 'firehose' file is used by qfil to access the low level / partitions of the device. It's a signed file specific for an individual device. It's a somewhat rare thing to have, as it gives you pretty much full access to the device, without root.
but using qfil to backup your user data partition, would result in a huge file, maybe like 80 gig or so, and, it's encrypted, so it basically doesn't have any value to do that?