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Three questions before I root....

Ok guys I am coming from a Samsung Moment (of hell...) anyways, I really want to root this device and remove all the Sprint bloatware. My first question is on the moment loading the root and recovery onto the device for the first time would cause a complete data wipe, which meant a complete system rebuild. Is this the case here? In other words if I use toasts method of rooting will I lose all my data and programs and have to reinstall or will my data be fine?
Second question is if I downgrade to install Toasts root, after I remove the sprint garbage software will I be able to reinstall the HTC update? (as I believe it fixes some of the issues with the camera, etc).
Third there are so many threads its hard to nail down whats going on with rooting etc, is there any negatives to rooting right now? I.E. any features on the phone I will lose?
Thanks for the help...

Adanedhels said:
Ok guys I am coming from a Samsung Moment (of hell...) anyways, I really want to root this device and remove all the Sprint bloatware. My first question is on the moment loading the root and recovery onto the device for the first time would cause a complete data wipe, which meant a complete system rebuild. Is this the case here? In other words if I use toasts method of rooting will I lose all my data and programs and have to reinstall or will my data be fine?
Second question is if I downgrade to install Toasts root, after I remove the sprint garbage software will I be able to reinstall the HTC update? (as I believe it fixes some of the issues with the camera, etc).
Third there are so many threads its hard to nail down whats going on with rooting etc, is there any negatives to rooting right now? I.E. any features on the phone I will lose?
Thanks for the help...
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To my understanding, you would lose nothing in the process, functional wise. Prolly lose all apps installed.
The threads you need are:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696961 (downgrade)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=690762 (toast root)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697636 (flipz rom)
Again, as I understand it (with help from joey), you downgrade, root/gain recovery, flash rom. this new rom is supposedly the update (radio and system) just with root enabled.
I can't be any clearer really as I have yet to do this and am learning/searching as well.

Or you could use unrevoked to remove all of the bloatware. Unless you are concerned about needing a full time root.

Unrevoked will NOT allow you to remove bloatware! Only toast method will let you remove apps for good.
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If you have full root access, can you not remote the system folder in RW?

If you have full root access, can you not remote the system folder in RW?
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Umm you should probably read the sticky instead of me explaining what's already there.
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What will happen if you accept the OTA update after the phone has already been rooted (to fix the camera)?
Also, let's say that someone comes out with a custom 2.2 version that works well on the Evo (rooted obviously). If I wanted to put that on my phone, would I have to wipe everything? Or is there a way to just upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2 without losing anything?

MrDSL said:
Umm you should probably read the sticky instead of me explaining what's already there.
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Found what you are talking about in another thread. It deals with the NAND protection.

Questions about rooting an EVO

Let me first say I'm a noob to this whole rooting thing and I would like to get some more info on. I tried searching the forums for the answers, but I failed to find what I was looking for.
1) What is this nand people are talking about? RUU? ROM (what's the difference between sense and no sense)?
2) How do I backup my apps, etc before trying to root?
3) Which guide do I use? My Evo came with 2.1, but I did the stock update to Froyo.- I don't wanna end up with a 500 paperweight.
4) If I need to bring my phone in for service how do I return it to stock?
5) I know you can turn your phone into a free wifi hotspot after rooting, what are some other advantages to rooting?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

ok now let me remind you im not far ahead of you so let me tell you i would wait for a few more posts before taking what i have to say to heart, but i cant leave someone i may be able to help (even a little in need)....
1. the phrase "NAND" refers to the term nandroid backup, which is when you create a backup file. like a system restore point for windows, so when u start doing some different customizations or just try flashing some different roms assuming something goes wrong you will always be just one click away from doing a restore back to a fully functioning rom that you backedup previously. i believe the 2 main programs associated with this is amon_ra and clockwork.....
2. as far as backing up apps i just save the .apks on my pc and reinstall them once i reflash a new rom, but from what im reading you can use a program like titatnium backup, app brain...etc. but then again as far as personal experience goes...none here just what ive gathered from reading.
3. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765496
(personally ive rooted with this method and it was very simple just read through the steps before starting and follow them accordingly, dont be discouraged general computer knowledge is needed though) or atleast the ability to move about the computer)
4. returning your phone from the method discribed below is simple as it seems...but again have not done personally only from what ive read: you are rooted (assuming you've used the thread above) with unrevoked3 meaning you have s-off(in laymen terms: the position of the bootloader {ON or OFF} which checks images being flashed to make sure they are signed with the htc security signature),,,you just need to download the unrevoked s-ON file and use that to return the phones security settings and re-download an RUU(RomUpdateUtility) thats official from the htc site and ull be back to unrooted good old-fashion stock evo.
5. and as far as the wifi tethering goes just go to the market place and download a wifi tethering .apk, once rooted of course ....and run it from your evo to connect to your pc wirelessly
*this should help*
http://handheld.softpedia.com/progDownload/Wifi-tether-download-76020.html
and as far as why root, well because when you buy a phone i assume you wanted it to be YOUR phone and with rooting its all about flashing opensource/custom roms to your phone and other things such as kernels to customize the phone to your liking and you cant flash unsigned data to your phone without having su permission, meaning you need ROOT access....
-now again let me disclaimer myself i am also very very new to the whole android community and may be spewing lots of wrong info and am probably quite confused my self but i figure id risk making a fool of my self to help u in the off chance that what im saying makes any sense at all....but yea

If I can root a phone trippin on 28 triple cs you can do it

Boss dextromethorphan.....is no fun, and I dunt suggest rooting ur phone or opperating heavy machinery under the influence of triple c's....
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[Q] Newb questions about rooting/roms

So i have an HTC Evo with the latest OTA update 3.70.651.1. Completely stock, non rooted. I know very little about both rooting and roms other then what i quickly went over in a few Q&A's here.
Im not sure what to do, if anything, so i thought id ask here. Primarily id like to be able to delete unwanted stock apps/bloatware and backup the entire phone (like making a recovery image). Itd be nice to be able to wirelessly tether but this isnt necessary. Other then that id like to keep it the same.
Is it possible to root but use the stock rom? if so what does this accomplish?
Is there a risk free way to accomplish my goals?
Thanks

Im not sure what to do, if anything, so i thought id ask here. Primarily id like to be able to delete unwanted stock apps/bloatware and backup the entire phone (like making a recovery image). Itd be nice to be able to wirelessly tether but this isnt necessary. Other then that id like to keep it the same.
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You would need to root to do this.
Is it possible to root but use the stock rom?
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Absolutely. Thats what I do. The only reason I rooted was for wireless tether, and titanium backup. Other than that, I didnt want another rom, I love the stock one.
if so what does this accomplish?
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Exactly what you just asked for in the previous paragraph.
Is there a risk free way to accomplish my goals?
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Nope. There is ALWAYS a risk when doing anything in life, and rooting your phone in no different. However, it is actually quite difficult to completely brick your phone. Most of the time, if you follow the directions, you will be fine. But if you do screw up, you can usually just flash a stock ruu and redo it.

Thanks for the information. Is there anything the free version of titanium backup doesnt backup? What does a nandroid backup save?
Also will rooting alone allow me to delete any app on the phone?
Lastly what would be the recommended way for someone new like me to root my phone (or resources i can use to pick a method)? Is there a way to restore my phone back to stock if i need to?
Thanks again. As i ask these questions im also digging into the forums looking for specific answers

Hey welcome to XDA.
I don't know when you received your phone, but it seems very brand new to me, I would say your best luck is to try to look for the details of your main specs in your phone, when you start to root your phone, you look for instructions here to setup properly on How to do the root process with the same exact phone detail specs of it.
I was rooted with an older OTA at first, but I see these new OTAs are up on new EVOs but It's kinda fishy to think of how to root it with the latest OTA on the old leet legit methods that toastcfh had...you know...The Manual Professional way, without the risk of bricking your phone completely, if you had the chance to root successfully with idiot proof instructions, I say that was quite a day for me then.

Actually ive had my Evo since release, ive just been too scared to risk bricking it til now lol.
i currently have:
hboot 2.10
software 3.70.651.1
hardware 0002
i took down some other info but idk if it matters for rooting directions.
So far from my searches it appears the only option for hboot 2.10 + 3.70.651.1 is a pretty lengthy/difficult for beginners method. Is that accurate?
Also my primary concern is deleting bloatware/included apps, does rooting alone allow me to delete these?
Also none of the guides ive seen detail how to backup your phone before the root, is there an easy way to make like a backup image of the stock stuff + data,sms,phone log, etc?
Thanks again everyone, still digging but your help will make it go much more smoothly

So ive pretty much discovered that my 2 options are do it the "hard" way or wait for unrevoked to update their stuff for the newest evo software/hboot. Im probably going to wait.
In the meantime i want to make sure of a few things, deleteing apps, backup, wireless tether. How would i approach each of these; can i use the built in app manager to delete apps? the built in wireless tether to tether? what exactly does nandroid backup compared to titanium backup?
Does the stock rom support netfilter?
Is there any scenario in which ota updates wont break root?
Thanks again

ctbenk said:
In the meantime i want to make sure of a few things, deleteing apps, backup, wireless tether. How would i approach each of these; can i use the built in app manager to delete apps? the built in wireless tether to tether? what exactly does nandroid backup compared to titanium backup?
Is there any scenario in which ota updates wont break root?
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To delete apps, you will want to use Titanium Backup. After removing stock apps, some of them still stay indexed, so you will need to boot to recovery and wipe your cache and dalvik to clear them from the apps list.
You won't be able to use the built-in wireless tether to tether unless you flash a new rom that unlocked that feature. Once rooted, there is a an app on the market called Wireless Tether for Root Users that will accomplish what you are looking for.
Titanium Backup will also allow you to backup your apps and data so that in the event you do flash a new rom, you can restore them without losing anything.
Titanium Backup is designed to backup your apps and data, Nandroid(recovery) will backup your entire ROM, so if you do flash a new rom, you can always revert back to your stock setup exactly how you left it.
OTA updates will always break your root, but at the same time don't offer much in the terms of upgrading. Plus 90% of the time the dev's here release a rooted version of the OTA update very shortly after it goes live.

[Q] Root My Desire Z But Keep HTC Sense?

Basically the title says it all.
I'm a total nub to Android in general, and rooting probably isn't something I should worry about. But unfortunately I'm an organizational / resource freak, and want to be able to uninstall any app I wish.
But I also love the HTC Sense UI.
Is there any way I can root to get permission to remove the apps I don't want while still keeping the HTC interface intact? I'd just rather not run the stock UI.

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Basically the title says it all.
I'm a total nub to Android in general, and rooting probably isn't something I should worry about. But unfortunately I'm an organizational / resource freak, and want to be able to uninstall any app I wish.
But I also love the HTC Sense UI.
Is there any way I can root to get permission to remove the apps I don't want while still keeping the HTC interface intact? I'd just rather not run the stock UI.
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Rooting is just rooting; it does nothing to your OS beyond unlocking it. After rooting, the only way you'll lose Sense is if you flash a Senseless ROM.
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Well actually yes getting root will allow you to delete anything you wish however once you have root make sure you don't delete important stuff.
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So that being said, can anyone point me in the right direction to root the phone?
And if I root it, is there any way to restore it back to non-rooted condition should I decide to sell it?

How to root is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
How to unroot and return to stock for warranty purposes is also in the same Wiki. You may or may not have to worry about unrooting, if you decide to sell the phone. People actually pay money to have their phones rooted, or pay extra for pre-rooted phones. Depends on who you sell to, they might not care about the phone being rooted, and may even prefer it. But unrooting is required if you need to send the phone for warranty repair. If they find your phone rooted, your warranty is VOID.
Sticky page has ton of links to various useful guides and other stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
Just get reading, and you will be up to speed in no time.
Rooting does not remove and change anything. It just changes the permissions on the phone, so you have access to system files which are normally not accessible. You can remove/change what you want after you root. And you can also backup everything using ROM Manager (free app on the market) in case you mess anything up. Keep in mind that some system files/apps are tied into Sense or Android, so removing them can cause problems. Just be careful what you change. Don't go messing around by trial and error. Everything you can think of has been attempted by somebody else, so can come on here and read what is safe to remove, and what is not.

[Q] Rooted, didn't do nandroid backup -- any chance of recovering data?

My fiancee's EVO 4g was in desperate need of replacing, so we went and got new phones. She had been playing this damned Smurf Village game for about a year and a half, and I thought I'd pull a white knight -- root the phone, back it up on Titanium, transfer the backup to the new phone, root that, restore. She insists she's okay starting over, but I thought it'd be a nice gesture. Rooting the new phone (LG Optimus G) was a piece of cake. The EVO 4g took me some time to get it to work ...
In my poor attempts at multitasking, I didn't do a nandroid backup and completely overlooked where it said it would restore to factory settings.
Is all lost? I did a search on it while it was plugged into the PC as an external drive and found a bunch of (edit: Smurf-related) files, so I feel like the data might still be there.
If not, it's all good. I learned from my mistake (I mean, c'mon, big_onion, every damn set of instructions says "make a nandroid backup") but if there's any way to get it back it might make her day.
Data restoration aside, after flashing Superuser, I still can't get TitaniumBackup to obtain superuser privileges. Any ideas what I might've done wrong? The method I used was to unlock the bootloader via HTC site, then flashboot recovery, then flash superuser. The app is there, but it doesn't seem to issue SU rights to TitaniumBackup.

Best way to gain root is to flash any custom rom here on xda. Unless it is a completely stock rom it is rooted and works without any issues. I rooted my second og evo a few days ago and had the same issue with the stock rom. After flashing a custom rom I had full root access.
Now as far as data goes most apps store that on the sdcard. I suggest installing the game on the new phone then power off and insert your old sdcard into the new phone. Hopefully it will use the old data and return your wife's game to her last state and make you look like a champ.
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jlmancuso said:
Best way to gain root is to flash any custom rom here on xda. Unless it is a completely stock rom it is rooted and works without any issues. I rooted my second og evo a few days ago and had the same issue with the stock rom. After flashing a custom rom I had full root access.
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Uhm...
You don't root android by flashing a rooted custom rom on a non root phone.
Rooting a phone must be done via a PC there is no other way.
Some stock roms ARE root.
The reason you had problems is because you were root and tried to install a non-root stock rom, if you would have installed a rooted stock rom you would of had no problems.
smh

Umm root is done by rom. Unlocking bootloader is the part done by pc.
You can be unlocked without root but can not root until you are unlocked. Rooting is the granting of admin rights to the user's apps.
I did not have an issue because I installed a non rooted rom. The rom was already on the phone which is the same spot the op is in. He is unlocked but not rooted. The htcdev unlock does not grant root rights to the current stock rom. Also the flashable zip did not grant the rom root rights.

jlmancuso said:
Umm root is done by rom.
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You don't go from not being rooted to being rooted by flashing a custom rom on the phone from the recovery menu, unless you accidentally flashed a non-root rom while you were already root.
Unlocking bootloader is the part done by pc.
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They're both done via PC at the same time with the same program (Unrevoked3 is only temporary nand)
Unrevoked Forever unlocks the bootloader permanently via recovery with an .img
http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/UnrEVOked

Wow man this will be my last response here about this but I want to say a couple quick things. First did you even read the link you posted? Yes with unrevoked you can gain nand unlock and root at the same time but if you also read it says this.
Does unrevoked³ give me root?
Yes. It previously did not; as of version 3.0, it does.
So root and nand unlock are not the same and is not always done at the same time. It is possible to be nand unlocked and not have root. Which is the case when you use htcdev unlock. Do your homework before you go making statements please.
I am not here trying to run anyone down and start fights but I am here to spread knowledge and help out others with problems. If you give someone bad information it will cause problems down the line later. Most people will assume you know what you are talking about when you make a post even if the information is not correct. So please take the time and make sure your information is correct before you post it.
So take a look at links I have posted and see what root is, how it is used, and see the difference.
This is a general overview of the root permission (depending on os it is called many different things)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superuser
This is what it means with the android
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/rooting-for-android-what-why-and-how/
Again not fighting but giving information that is benifical to everyone.
Peace,
Love, and
Happiness

Fail troll is fail.
OP has the information he needs.
He already is rooted and needs permanent unlock which is what Unrevoked Forever does, which is linked in the link I posted.
Edit: The PM j sent me.
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Hey man. I am not trolling. The information is real. I am a knowledgeable dev and don't want anyone getting the wrong information. Bad information leads to big mistakes that can be a devs worst nightmare. Just read the articles and if you still don't agree well that is fine by me. I at least tried to give you the correct information.
Have a nice day and enjoy this beautiful day.
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I guess he thinks Unrevoked Forever is bad information and harmful to Evos.

Backedup
If you backed up the game, you can always download titanium backup and restore. Make sure you didn't delete the files from sd-card (they should be there). Sorry if this was already answered or i'm wrong. :fingers-crossed:
edit: if its a stock rom and you backup every app with titanium back up you could.

jlmancuso is having a hard week. i would give him a break. as far as i can tell he's genuinely trying to be helpful and is catching crap from all sides these days. eventually he will slow down and not accidentally provoke people (or take things personally). but he seems like valuable asset to the community overall so i'm rooting for him. OP good luck with your issue.

It's already unlocked, via the instructions from the HTC dev site. I didn't use Unrevoked -- I tried, and got a message about something being too new of a version. I'll dig around more, but I before I spent too much time I wanted to make sure I could restore the data on the stupid Smurf game for her.
I did NOT do a Titanium Backup of anything on there before I started. The LG Optimus G doesn't have an SD card, so I can't just swap SD cards. I can copy files from the EVO to the PC then to the LGOG. I think I might install Smurfs on the new phone, root it, then just try and copy the Smurf files from the EVO over to the Optimus G and see if overwriting the data files would restore her game.
Will report back on whether or not it works, or if I can't get superuser working.
And chill out, friends. I appreciate all sorts of info, even if it's not what I'm looking for. Y'all rock.

I am not taking it personally and dont think unrevoked is harmful. I am not going to argue with anyone about the facts. I posted the articles al5uwtqind if anyone wants to read them and learn more than cool. The information is for the benefit of everyone. Call troll or a$$ or whatever. I am here to help like most everyone.
Knowledge is power so empower someone else today.
Peace,
Love, and
Happiness
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big_onion said:
Data restoration aside, after flashing Superuser, I still can't get TitaniumBackup to obtain superuser privileges. Any ideas what I might've done wrong? The method I used was to unlock the bootloader via HTC site, then flashboot recovery, then flash superuser. The app is there, but it doesn't seem to issue SU rights to TitaniumBackup.
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I think he meant "Htcdev site" then "fastboot flash recovery", but it seems like Big_Onion did everything right as far as rooting the phone, but there can be other reasons why Titanium is not working properly. It could be Titanium data needs to be wiped or it could be an issue with busybox. He never said he was not rooted, he only said that superuser was not giving Titanium root permissions, which has happened to me also. I wish he would have ran the root checker app too, to verify did he really have root or not. Then it would be easier to tell which path to take.
And also, why are we arguing over unrevoked and unrevoked-forever? Those don't work on the newer stock roms, because they were patched in 2011 by the first Gingerbread update on. Since big_onion used the Htcdev site, he is likely on Gingerbread. They, unrevoked3 and forever, would only work if he downgraded the radios to the ones which came with either Eclair or Froyo, the two previous operating systems. Titanium backup only needs an unlocked bootloader from the Htcdev site, and superuser permissions from the superuser app to work. Anything else is just extra, at least on Gingerbread.