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Today I upgraded my OS to Kavana 6.1 release. I love it.
I hardly ever (read: pretty much never) use the internet on the phone, but with the old T-Mobile official Dash 6.0 system (not hacked), I used to be able to access the internet and I thought I was charged on a per usage basis (but never really checked). In any case, I know for a fact I could access the internet on the old OS and I don't pay a monthly charge for it and it's not part of my plan.
So after I upgraded today, I could not get access to the internet at all. Checked the settings in the phone, checked T-Mobile's website, everything was set up right, but kept getting an error.
So I flashed back to the T-Mobile official release, and once again, I could access the internet. Checked all the settings, wrote them down, flashed back to Kavana. No internet.
Called T-Mobile. Didn't tell them I flashed to Kavana, but told them I suddenly didn't have internet access and asked for help. They said I don't have internet access because I don't pay for it, and T-Mobile does not have per data usage access, and there was nothing they could do unless I wanted to pay $20/month.
Can anyone tell me why this might have been and how I can get back the access I used to have?
As an aside....any way to get T-Zones working without paying for internet access (don't have time to search right now, yes I'm lazy, too!)
Thanks in advance for responses.
Jesus Gixxum, is it that time of the month for newbs. I've heard of this before at Howard Forums when I first got my dash. It's kinda an error on Tmobiles Part. It worked for some in the past like almost a tease when they first got there Dash's. The people eventually lost the free internet. It's like in Office Space when they fire Milton. They fixed the glitch at payroll. So, in either case be happy your weren't charged per kb. No there is no free way to get Internet even with Tzones. The cheaper way is the 5.99 Hack. (USE THE SEARCH) But personally if you want weather and newsfeeds etc. constantly updating. Pay the 19.99 or miss out.
Good luck in your decision or oh I don't have your Swingline stapler.
The $5.99 Tzones plus the proxy hack is the best option.
Pig Vomit said:
Today I upgraded my OS to Kavana 6.1 release. I love it.
I hardly ever (read: pretty much never) use the internet on the phone, but with the old T-Mobile official Dash 6.0 system (not hacked), I used to be able to access the internet and I thought I was charged on a per usage basis (but never really checked). In any case, I know for a fact I could access the internet on the old OS and I don't pay a monthly charge for it and it's not part of my plan.
So after I upgraded today, I could not get access to the internet at all. Checked the settings in the phone, checked T-Mobile's website, everything was set up right, but kept getting an error.
So I flashed back to the T-Mobile official release, and once again, I could access the internet. Checked all the settings, wrote them down, flashed back to Kavana. No internet.
Called T-Mobile. Didn't tell them I flashed to Kavana, but told them I suddenly didn't have internet access and asked for help. They said I don't have internet access because I don't pay for it, and T-Mobile does not have per data usage access, and there was nothing they could do unless I wanted to pay $20/month.
Can anyone tell me why this might have been and how I can get back the access I used to have?
As an aside....any way to get T-Zones working without paying for internet access (don't have time to search right now, yes I'm lazy, too!)
Thanks in advance for responses.
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Yeah back in 07 when I first got my Dash for about 2 months I had free internet too. But that was when I was still using 5.0 Wow. 5.0. That was a year ago. Lol. It sucks how I meet people with the Dash that don't know what they can do with it. I knew this guy that had his phone for months and didn't know he had WiFi. We were on a college campus with free wifi everywhere.
taylor_b92 said:
Yeah back in 07 when I first got my Dash for about 2 months I had free internet too. But that was when I was still using 5.0 Wow. 5.0. That was a year ago. Lol. It sucks how I meet people with the Dash that don't know what they can do with it. I knew this guy that had his phone for months and didn't know he had WiFi. We were on a college campus with free wifi everywhere.
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It was more than 2 months. It was pretty much the entire time I've owned the phone (about 15 months), but like I said, I never use the net through my phone (I work in a car and it's got a mounted laptop with HSDPA internet connectivity). So it's not worth 5.99 to me, much less 19.99. I don't frequent the forums much since I switched to Dash from MPx220 so wasn't sure if this had been brought up before. Seems like since I can flash back to T-Mo 6.0 and have free access there should be some way to hack it, but that's not something I'm capable of myself. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion in case people weren't aware.
It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you... PSYCHE! But seriously you can easily scrape that up in 30 days. Either way you'll be stealing from the provider but I guess it wouldn't be as bad if you paid a little. I've never had the 20 dollar a month one but I think it's faster. That's what some people say.
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It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you...
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Ok, here's my address:
Cheap Bastard
1313 Mockingbird Lane
Munsterville, Transylvania, 66666
Nah, I like the sliding screen and faster ROM. Besides, it's not about me! Just trying to help.
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It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you... PSYCHE! But seriously you can easily scrape that up in 30 days. Either way you'll be stealing from the provider but I guess it wouldn't be as bad if you paid a little. I've never had the 20 dollar a month one but I think it's faster. That's what some people say.
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Nope not true, its the same speed whether you use the T-Zones plan and do the proxy configuration or instead use the 20 dollar plan, you will not notice any difference in speed.
Well then what would be the point in paying the 20 dollars?
You're all kinda missing the point of this thread, not that your posts aren't appreciated. It's not how or whether to use the T-Zones hack, it's that the official T-Mobile 6.0 OS 1.22.531.4 allows free internet, and by reinstalling that OS I get it back. Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on why that is, and perhaps figure out how to get it to work with 6.1. I suspect it DID have something to do with T-Zones, as I could access T-Zones to check my minutes, etc., with the old system, but not with 6.1.
I don't care enough about internet on the phone to pay for it, but it was nice to know that it was there and available in an emergency just in case....
BTW, I'm in Southern California.
You were not getting FREE internet. You were geing charge per KB. T-Mobile has a page showing the configuration needed to get MMS and internet to work. jdoggraz has a link to the page in his sig.
nhung said:
You were not getting FREE internet. You were geing charge per KB. T-Mobile has a page showing the configuration needed to get MMS and internet to work. jdoggraz has a link to the page in his sig.
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Tried them, don't work. T-Mobile says they don't have a per KB charge for data.
Don't know how or why, but I am on flexpay, had internet for the first 3 months (the full 19.99 one) only for the rebate, cancelled it as I don't use it that much. They don't charge me anymore and it still works. Going on my 4th full month of all internet working without being charged for it, I called them multiple times to make sure I wasn't being charged and it wasn't activated and they insisted I must have been on a free wi-fi signal. Despite me knowing how to turn wifi on and off, and being in the dead center of a call center that blocks wifi and has no residences or other businesses within 4-500 meters...
I'm also on my 2nd rom, was on WM6 from here, think it was the HTC one, now using one of Kavanas, just using the regular settings. I really think it's a glitch in their billing/provisioning system.
woke up today and tried checking the weather...couldnt get a connection. Then used opera and it said i needed a subscription upgrade. Is this the end of the 5.99 tzone? Im running the energy rom and had no problem until this morning. I really hope its a data/network hiccup and resume back to the way it was...soon!
I also tried using wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com with no luck.
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woke up today and tried checking the weather...couldnt get a connection. Then used opera and it said i needed a subscription upgrade. Is this the end of the 5.99 tzone? Im running the energy rom and had no problem until this morning. I really hope its a data/network hiccup and resume back to the way it was...soon!
I also tried using wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com with no luck.
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The $5.99 plan is not for smartphones. You'll need the normal data plan for the TP2. It normally connects through internet2.voicestream.com or internet3.voicestream.com. wap.voicestream.com is used for MMS.
I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have been using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have been using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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You are lucky that is all you are receiving. Their normal mode is to charge $1.99 per megabyte of download.
cajunflavoredbob said:
Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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Is that so...
sry to break it to you...but my 3G is back, 5.99 tzone lives on! Around 4pm, i tried it and was successful. This maybe like the hiccup that happened a few years ago. Lets hope everything goes back to the way it was. Streaming slacker radio now...
beeflolo said:
Is that so...
sry to break it to you...but my 3G is back, 5.99 tzone lives on! Around 4pm, i tried it and was successful. This maybe like the hiccup that happened a few years ago. Lets hope everything goes back to the way it was. Streaming slacker radio now...
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I talked to T-Mobile Blackberry/PDA Support or Tier 2/3 to some others. Most of us remember about this time last year they doing something similar to what they did Tuesday. Talking to TMBS, earlier in the day they were killing T-Mobile Web aka Unlimited T-Zones to Smartphones. I talked to another guy this evening that said the same thing with one caveat...which I asked what about those of us who have grandfathered data plans?
He looked over our account codes...whatever that means and he made the observation that the instructions for our SIM cards were erased in regards to our data plan which he said he put the instructions back. I was on the horn with him at the same time our internet came back up through no editing of our network connections, so I have no idea what to think.
I don't know if what was done today was a prelude to the introduction of Windows Phone 7 devices starting next month. I'm told T-Mobile will introduce 3 Windows Phone 7 devices for the upcoming holiday season - HTC Mozart aka HD3/7...take your pick, a LG and Samsung variation. Assuming they don't toy with our internet plans as they currently are I have to believe it will be a repeat of the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 Leo. You buy the device retail you can stay on T-Mobile Web.
All that said, I couldn't tell you whether it's all script or the truth.
cajunflavoredbob said:
Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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Well. T-zones is back up and running as of yesterday evening with my smartphone. Hopefully this was just a temporary outage.
Edge was working all through
dmercado_gto said:
Well. T-zones is back up and running as of yesterday evening with my smartphone. Hopefully this was just a temporary outage.
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Glad it is back. I have mine for more than 5yrs. But during this outage for last couple of days, I turned off 3G and it was working fine on Edge. Of course on 3G I was getting same subscription error.
So check this out.... I am an AT&T user and back when the HTC HD2 came out for T-Mobile I bought it from a friend when they signed up for a new contract. Got an unlock code from Ebay and have been using it for the past 2 years without having to have a data plan, never got added automatically to my plan like i have heard happen to others? And I'm wondering why? Is it possibly cuz its a T-Mobile phone? Or is it cuz I still have an old "Cingular" SIM card? I am curious about this because right now, Wally World has a special sale on the phone at $249, plus a $100 gift card, which will bring the phone down to $150 basically, so a pretty damn good deal for a phone just out on the market. And I'm plan on getting it this week, I was wondering if any of you would be able to tell me if at some point if i was able to get a T-Mobile version of the Samsung Note 2 if i could slip my SIM card into it and then be able to cancel my DATA plan, if i told them i went back to a Motorola Razr or something, which worked when i got my HD2? Or will AT&T be able to see that i have a smartphone? Is it the newer smaller SIM card, that will tell AT&T that I have a smartphone, or will the phone it self be what sends info to the servers or whatever that tells AT&T I have a smartphone? Or do you think this method of getting a T-Mobile phone and using an AT&T SIM card will work and I won't get stuck with a DATA plan? Everywhere I go has Wi-Fi so I have no need for the Data plan it will be going to waste.
That offer of 249 is only for new contracts and upgrades
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funziebear said:
That offer of 249 is only for new contracts and upgrades
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Yep, I am eligible for an upgrade, haven't upgraded in a few years or so... Just wondering if the new micro sim cards or the newer phone will alert at&t that i am using a smart phone, or if i will be able to do the same thing i did last time, by getting a tmobile phone with at&t service and not be required to have a data plan, if they don't know that i'm using a smart phone...?
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Yep, I am eligible for an upgrade, haven't upgraded in a few years or so... Just wondering if the new micro sim cards or the newer phone will alert at&t that i am using a smart phone, or if i will be able to do the same thing i did last time, by getting a tmobile phone with at&t service and not be required to have a data plan, if they don't know that i'm using a smart phone...?
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so you are going to start a tmobile contract to get the discounted price on the phone then switch back to att
So, you've been stealing data for 2 years now... Making my data cost go up. Stealing is a crime! Please turn yourself in and agree to pay back the last 2 years of stolen data....
I'm messing with you.
If you bring a phone to T-Mobile, they won't force a data plan on you. I'm assuming The Dark Side [AT&T] is the same.
If you use an upgrade, a 2GB Data Plan is required, and they will not let you remove your data afterwards. T-Mobile is weird like that.
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So, you've been stealing data for 2 years now... Making my data cost go up. Stealing is a crime! Please turn yourself in and agree to pay back the last 2 years of stolen data....
I'm messing with you.
If you bring a phone to T-Mobile, they won't force a data plan on you. I'm assuming The Dark Side [AT&T] is the same.
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LOL, nice, but no, I'm saying I don't have any internet on my phone, only had the Wi-Fi, therefore wasn't having to pay for a data plan, because i wasn't required to have one since they didn't know i had a smart phone, just the regular cost of having a calling plan... I'm hoping it's something to do with the IMEI, if it isn't in the system, hopefully they won't know what phone i'm using...
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If you use an upgrade, a 2GB Data Plan is required, and they will not let you remove your data afterwards. T-Mobile is weird like that.
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Yeah AT&T requires you to have an added Data Plan also with any smartphone, but I don't need it, its a waste of money for me, I have Wi-Fi most of the places I go, and don't need to be connected to the net 24/7 ...lol But, I'm hoping I can get a Tmobile Note 2 and use it for a while, then tell them I went back to my Razr and hopefully be able to drop the data part of the plan, but i don't know if i could do that until the new contract is over
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so you are going to start a tmobile contract to get the discounted price on the phone then switch back to att
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No, originally it was just an impulse buy, cuz its such a kick ass phone...lol I would prefer just to buy a Tmobile version somewhere and use it on AT&T and hopefully not be required to have a data plan, but since the phone is so new, i'm probably not going to find one anywhere, less than $400 even on Ebay. So what I was thinking is, just upgrade my current AT&T plan to a new 2 year agreement, and get the phone for $250, plus the $100 gift card from Wally World, and that basically brings the price down to $150, and then possibly selling or trading the phone and getting a Tmobile version, so i can cancel the internet data plan. But, i'm not sure i could do that, i don't know if the contract terms say I'm required to keep the data part, even if i don't have a smartphone anymore say after a few months or year or so. Like for example, if I sign a new 2 year agreement, and after a couple of months, tell them I went back to a Razr phone, if i can drop the data, but i'm still on the 2 year agreement. And hopefully the Tmobile version phone won't be able to be detected so i'm not automatically enrolled into the data plan again....?
I don't get it. If you just want a feature phone then just get an feature phone. There are tablets that uses WiFi only just bigger. Then you can get a free basic phone for texting and calls only. Or get a feature phone for almost free for text, calling, and listening to your music. At this point PPCs (Pocket Personal Computers) aka "Smartphones", like Galaxy Note 2, are way too much for the purposes that you are wanting to use them for.
To make PPC aka "smartphones" truly mobile they need to be connected to the Internet at all times. That is why cellular data radio services is so important for these PPC devices. They are truly cellular mobile computers. That is why I coined them as CPPC (Cellular Pocket Personal Computer) and MPPC (Mobile Pocket Personal Computer).
MPPC (Mobile Pocket Personal Computer) is the best description of what these devices are. They are mobile in terms that you are always connected on the go with these devices. They fit in your pocket (at least your big pocket). They are very personal in the way you use them. And they are truly computers. They are your personalized pocket sized (big pockets) computers on the go with cellular radio and communication services. They are your MPPC (Mobile Pocket Personal Computer.
Samsung Galaxy Note 2 is not for you at all. You are just wasting money on the Galaxy Note 2. Get either a basic phone or feature phone as your phone device. And get a tablet as your WiFi media device. You can get both for less than or close to the cost of a Galaxy Note 2.
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I don't get it. If you just want a feature phone then just get an feature phone. There are tablets that uses WiFi only just bigger. Then you can get a free basic phone for texting and calls only. Or get a feature phone for almost free for text, calling, and listening to your music. At this point PPCs (Pocket Personal Computers) aka "Smartphones", like Galaxy Note 2, are way too much for the purposes that you are wanting to use them for.
To make PPC aka "smartphones" truly mobile they need to be connected to the Internet at all times. That is why cellular data radio services is so important for these PPC devices. They are truly cellular mobile computers. That is why I coined them as CPPC (Cellular Pocket Personal Computer) and MPPC (Mobile Pocket Personal Computer).
MPPC (Mobile Pocket Personal Computer) is the best description of what these devices are. They are mobile in terms that you are always connected on the go with these devices. They fit in your pocket (at least your big pocket). They are very personal in the way you use them. And they are truly computers. They are your personalized pocket sized (big pockets) computers on the go with cellular radio and communication services. They are your MPPC (Mobile Pocket Personal Computer.
Samsung Galaxy Note 2 is not for you at all. You are just wasting money on the Galaxy Note 2. Get either a basic phone or feature phone as your phone device. And get a tablet as your WiFi media device. You can get both for less than or close to the cost of a Galaxy Note 2.
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I'm not trying to buy the Galaxy Note 2 outright, I plan on going to Walmart sometime this week and upgrading my contract and getting the Note 2 for $249, and then on top of that Walmart will throw in a $100 gift card, that you can use on anything at the store, probably even gas at the Murphy USA station so basically, that brings the price of the phone down to $150.... I don't know of any decent tablet anywhere near that price. This phone is basically a phone and tablet all in one, I don't want to be carrying multiple devices around with me, a big 7" or 10" tablet everywhere I go everyday, plus my cell phone. I'm looking for an all in once device, and this is pretty much it. Most of the places I go have Wi-Fi, so I wouldn't, (and haven't), even hardly use(d) any data. And the extra, $15, $20 or $30 a month for a data plan could be used to help pay for other bills. I can still use the phone to its full potential without having a data plan... Except when I'm driving down the highway and I'm lost and need GPS? ...lol But, I still have my HD2 with tomtom on it, or eventually I might sell it and get a dedicated GPS, or use google navigation, I think I heard they have an option to download offline maps. If I'm bored waiting on my oil to get changed in my car somewhere, and want to watch a YouTube video, sure I'll be SOL if they don't have a public Wi-Fi, but I'll have plenty of apps and games to keep me entertained while I wait...lol IF I ever have an absolute need to use, mobile data, its a pay-per-use feature, per MB I think so I'll still have that, it just won't be a set monthly price.
Att requires you to keep a data plan for 6 months after an upgrade.
Here is what I would do:
If you upgrade then switch to the t-mo version, call att when you switch and tell them you are using a t mobile dumb phone and want your data removed. They may do it if its been 6 months since your upgrade. If they wont remove data completely, tell them you want the $10 media net package. It is unlimited and you will get hspa+ if your phone allows for it. That way you have data if you ever need it, and its cheap.
I used the $10 plan with my gsm razr, but switched back to unlimited so I wouldnt lose it. I know the $10 plan works for phones not in att's system.
Hope this helps
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Att requires you to keep a data plan for 6 months after an upgrade.
Here is what I would do:
If you upgrade then switch to the t-mo version, call att when you switch and tell them you are using a t mobile dumb phone and want your data removed. They may do it if its been 6 months since your upgrade. If they wont remove data completely, tell them you want the $10 media net package. It is unlimited and you will get hspa+ if your phone allows for it. That way you have data if you ever need it, and its cheap.
I used the $10 plan with my gsm razr, but switched back to unlimited so I wouldnt lose it. I know the $10 plan works for phones not in att's system.
Hope this helps
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Exactly, thanks for the info, helps a lot. That is exactly what I planned to do, just wasn't for sure on how long I would have to keep the mobile data plan. So $150, plus $15 a month for the minimum plan, for 6 months = $240 total, phone and mobile data.... not too bad...
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I'm not trying to buy the Galaxy Note 2 outright, I plan on going to Walmart sometime this week and upgrading my contract and getting the Note 2 for $249, and then on top of that Walmart will throw in a $100 gift card, that you can use on anything at the store, probably even gas at the Murphy USA station so basically, that brings the price of the phone down to $150.... I don't know of any decent tablet anywhere near that price. This phone is basically a phone and tablet all in one, I don't want to be carrying multiple devices around with me, a big 7" or 10" tablet everywhere I go everyday, plus my cell phone. I'm looking for an all in once device, and this is pretty much it. Most of the places I go have Wi-Fi, so I wouldn't, (and haven't), even hardly use(d) any data. And the extra, $15, $20 or $30 a month for a data plan could be used to help pay for other bills. I can still use the phone to its full potential without having a data plan... Except when I'm driving down the highway and I'm lost and need GPS? ...lol But, I still have my HD2 with tomtom on it, or eventually I might sell it and get a dedicated GPS, or use google navigation, I think I heard they have an option to download offline maps. If I'm bored waiting on my oil to get changed in my car somewhere, and want to watch a YouTube video, sure I'll be SOL if they don't have a public Wi-Fi, but I'll have plenty of apps and games to keep me entertained while I wait...lol IF I ever have an absolute need to use, mobile data, its a pay-per-use feature, per MB I think so I'll still have that, it just won't be a set monthly price.
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Nexus 7 Tablet!!! Check it out.
To use Google Maps you will need Internet connection so that the device can download the maps while you are traveling. Yes you can do that off line. But the Google Maps function the best when you are connected. Just a good example of so many things within these devices that Must be connected at all times for.
Why not check out lower end Android devices or feature phones with these features? They will cost you even less. Much less.
Again, Galaxy Note 2 is way too much of a professional device than what you are look for. So much of Galaxy Note 2 will be wasted. And the complexity of Galaxy Note 2 is not going to make you happy in the long run.
Warning - Galaxy Note 2 WILL use your cellular data rather you want it to or not. Again, this is the nature of these devices. Everything from email, system backing up, your contacts gets checked and backup, any social apps WILL use your data in the background, Google PlayStore in check for updates, Google Maps in getting new maps (as you travel) and adding location accuracy (with cellular towers), Google Street View in downloading the street view for you, Calendar will check Google and update, free apps that have ads will download the ads, some apps will be running in the background checking stuff online and downloading from online, and so much more WILL be using your Cellular data throughout the day and night on everyday.
When it comes to free apps you can buy the paid ad-free apps. But by the time you do that with all apps you will end up spending as much as it would if you just get the $30.00 per month unlimited data plan. I know that because I hate ads so much that I spend money for the paid ad-free apps.
At the end you better off either going for the $30.00 unlimited data plan or go for a feature phone that does what you want it to. With what you want to do with the device you are better off with a feature phone.
But if you do go for Galaxy Note 2 go for the Unlimited data plan and try to learn the features of this device. Hopefully you will learn to love or at least like the features enough that you would never again think of not having data plan with the device. But my fear for you is that the experience in trying not to use data service is going to be a very bad experience for you. But at least you were forewarned.
You can remove the data plan at anytime if you buy it from AT&T, not sure about other places.
There is a few problems with your plan. T-mobile version of the note 2 is worth more in the used market than AT&T version, so you may find it hard to do an even exchange.
Secondly AT&T do sweeps to detect smartphones more regularly now. It may be able to detect the Tmobile version of note 2 very soon.
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Even if you can take out the data plan, your usage with Galaxy Note 2 would be hampered in a huge way. So huge that it is not worth removing the data plan or getting the Galaxy Note 2. I gave examples in a post above of some of stuff that uses the cellular data. Those and much more would be hampered by taking cellular data plan out. Again, not worth it. There are feature phones that would do what that user wants without hampering the usage.
You see that Droid X on my signature? That is not on the grid anymore. And I can tell you that I notice how much the device and I am hampered by not having data plan. It sucks in a huge way. I am talking with experience.
Android PPC aka "Smartphones" is at its best if on the grid all the way, including cellular data plan. Otherwise go for a feature phone.
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Even if you can take out the data plan, your usage with Galaxy Note 2 would be hampered in a huge way. So huge that it is not worth removing the data plan or getting the Galaxy Note 2. I gave examples in a post above of some of stuff that uses the cellular data. Those and much more would be hampered by taking cellular data plan out. Again, not worth it. There are feature phones that would do what that user wants without hampering the usage.
You see that Droid X on my signature? That is not on the grid anymore. And I can tell you that I notice how much the device and I am hampered by not having data plan. It sucks in a huge way. I am talking with experience.
Android is at its best if on the grid all the way, including cellular data plan. Otherwise go for a feature phone.
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I think this post was meant for the OP.
I have an unlimited data plan and I use a lots of it. I'm just telling the OP what he can expect in his situation.
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Direct it towards the OP.
I have an unlimited data plan and I use a lots of it. I'm just telling the OP what he can expect in his situation.
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Sorry.
We are both trying to tell the OP what to expect in his situation.
I know it's a little bit of an inconvenience not having mobile data, but I have been using a T-Mobile HTC HD2 for the last 2 years without a mobile data plan, just fine. If there is something I need to do that requires internet, i'm patient enough to wait until I can get on Wi-Fi, make a reminder in the calender for when I have time and problem solved. I still have Windows 6.5, which kinda sucks, on it. And I also have Android ported onto it using the memory card. So if I'm traveling somewhere I restart the phone and boot into Windows and use my TomTom GPS program. Then after, I boot back into Android and in the settings there is a checkbox that I can check to keep my phone from using a mobile data connection, so I've been doing just fine. And the GN2 will be a step up from this phone and not that much money out of my wallet.
JaguarXT said:
Nexus 7 Tablet!!! Check it out.
To use Google Maps you will need Internet connection so that the device can download the maps while you are traveling. Yes you can do that off line. But the Google Maps function the best when you are connected. Just a good example of so many things within these devices that Must be connected at all times for.
Why not check out lower end Android devices or feature phones with these features? They will cost you even less. Much less.
Again, Galaxy Note 2 is way too much of a professional device than what you are look for. So much of Galaxy Note 2 will be wasted. And the complexity of Galaxy Note 2 is not going to make you happy in the long run.
Warning - Galaxy Note 2 WILL use your cellular data rather you want it to or not. Again, this is the nature of these devices. Everything from email, system backing up, your contacts gets checked and backup, any social apps WILL use your data in the background, Google PlayStore in check for updates, Google Maps in getting new maps (as you travel) and adding location accuracy (with cellular towers), Google Street View in downloading the street view for you, Calendar will check Google and update, free apps that have ads will download the ads, some apps will be running in the background checking stuff online and downloading from online, and so much more WILL be using your Cellular data throughout the day and night on everyday.
When it comes to free apps you can buy the paid ad-free apps. But by the time you do that with all apps you will end up spending as much as it would if you just get the $30.00 per month unlimited data plan. I know that because I hate ads so much that I spend money for the paid ad-free apps.
At the end you better off either going for the $30.00 unlimited data plan or go for a feature phone that does what you want it to. With what you want to do with the device you are better off with a feature phone.
But if you do go for Galaxy Note 2 go for the Unlimited data plan and try to learn the features of this device. Hopefully you will learn to love or at least like the features enough that you would never again think of not having data plan with the device. But my fear for you is that the experience in trying not to use data service is going to be a very bad experience for you. But at least you were forewarned.
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I actually already bought the GN2 on black friday, from at&t as a contract upgrade, it was kind of an impulse buy, i'm a penny pincher... I know, kinda weird when we are talking about a $700 phone, right? ...LOL But, I try to save money where I can. I took it back on Tuesday night, because a co-worker told me about the deal at walmart. So I'm gonna go get it from them. From Saturday to Tuesday I was streaming football and basketball games for a few hours everyday, over wi-fi, just fine. I checked my data usage on the phone with the included apps and I was barely even using anything, it was only a few MB's or so, that is probably when I was playing around with it before I connected it to my home and work Wi-Fi, 4G at my work was extremely slow, so I connected to Wi-Fi and was much faster, and I was thinking to myself, if 4g is that damn slow, i don't need to be throwing money away at it... Me and another co-worker that works in my same department were wondering how fast the mobile data is so, I was trying to go to speedtest.net to test the speed and it would never even completely load the page up. I didn't even try the wi-fi speedtest at work, because i was ready to clock out and go home... I did the speedtest at my home from wi-fi and on 4g and my wi-fi kicked the **** out of the 4g, the 4g didn't even get over 1MB! I don't need to have my apps all connected to mobile data all the time, I've used facebook, ebay, craigslist, google play store, checked email and the apps that have the ads don't really bother me, not that big of a deal to me. Sometimes they are annoying, but for me I'd rather see the ad then racking up money by buying all the paid apps. I might buy a few apps that I really like but probably not very many, who knows.. ...And on a sidenote, i don't see a $30 unlimited data plan anywhere, is that a T-Mobile or AT&T plan?
After using my Note 2 for about an hour I got a text from AT&T saying they were switching my data plan because a LTE data plan was required. Previously I had an unlimited data plan. Sure enough, I checked my account online and now I have the 3 gb plan with $10 per 1gb over the limit. How can they do this? I don't want this? What are my options? I specifically bought the Note 2 paying full retail because I didn't want AT&T to know I switched phones. This sucks!!
I am pretty sure the recent fcc agreement with related fines for switching customers or forcing customers from their unlimited plans to limited plans was considered illegal. I would be *****ing up a storm and filing a complaint with the FCC, online. Wouldn't hurt to file an online complaint with the attorney general from your state either.
I had unlimited plan (non lte) which was grandfathered. After purchase of Note 2, noticed that I was put on a 3gb plan. I called AT&T and within 24 hours my unlimited plan was restored.
They switched me to the unlimited lte plan when I switched, att customer service was super helpful, almost too helpful. You might call them and see what they say.
Keep us posted.
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Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent) of AT&T's customer service department. They said I had an unlimited non-smartphone plan and that they could not upgrade me to an unlimited LTE plan. I mentioned the FCC ruling ( http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/att-fcc-fine-data-plans/ ) but I don't know if people in India even know what the FCC is. Those people on the phone don't give last names or employee numbers so they feel they are unacountable.
I've been using a smart phone for the past 4 years but apparently I was still on the non-smart phone plan. They said because of that they can not switch me over to the unlimited LTE plan. So, what should I do now? I will not stay wit ha limited plan. I'll switch to T-Mobile first. However my AT&T Note 2 will not work with T-Mobile's system I think. Also, I'd rather not switch as its a pain in the ass. I really hope I can get this resolved. Do you think I'd have beeter luck in person at a store?
That doesn't quite add up. How can you be on a non-smartphone plan with a smartphone for 4 years? So what plan did they have you at? And with unlimited data?
Either way, when I switched from my iPhones to the Note II, they had no problem switching my grandfathered unlimited plan to unlimited LTE. What they did tell me is they'd have to register me with a regular LTE data plan during the phone's sale, then they put it back to grandfathered unlimited status at activation, LTE and all.
Did you get the phone online or at the store?
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That doesn't quite add up. How can you be on a non-smartphone plan with a smartphone for 4 years? So what plan did they have you at? And with unlimited data?
Either way, when I switched from my iPhones to the Note II, they had no problem switching my grandfathered unlimited plan to unlimited LTE. What they did tell me is they'd have to register me with a regular LTE data plan during the phone's sale, then they put it back to grandfathered unlimited status at activation, LTE and all.
Did you get the phone online or at the store?
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When I switched from my dumb phone to my smart phone 4 years ago I didn't tell them about it so I guess I was still on the unlimited data for no-smart phones. Well, how stupid they are to think I go through 20-30 GB of data a month without it being a smart phone (I did a lot of tethering during those years).
I bought my Note 2 online. I assumed they wouldn't know about the phone switch since they didn't know about my phone switch 4 years ago. I guess because the Note 2 uses a different frequency they became aware of it that way. Anyway, it shouldn't matter. I was on an unlimited plan before and I think it is not unreasnable to be on an unlimited plan after switching. God how I hate AT&T. I was playing cards with some friends earlier tonight and an AT&T ad came on the TV. I wanted to throw something at the TV so badly!
Outsourced? It's your own damn fault!
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Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent)
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Never evereverever..never! call after normal business hours and or the weekend, you will get outsourced!...everever..never!!! My granddaughters Kindle Plus (1st Gen) fell victim to the known USB mini port failure,1 month out of warranty. My daughter called after normal business hours Monday..OUTSOURCED!!...ever.never. They told her it would cost her $150 to get it replaced , after a 1/2hr she gave up. She told me what happened, and I told here to call regular business hours. So she did the next day on Tuesday, not outsources, new Kindle Plus arrived this Friday no charge at all. They sent a return label to send the bad unit back within 30 day's. Don't know if you'll have this kind of luck, but from all of my vast past experience with this type of stuff you stand a much better chance calling 9-5 Monday thru Friday. These phone Reps in these far off lands can do the job, but they aren't given the authority to. So be firm but cordial, good luck, God speed, and eat hearty!
Steve,
P.S. ever.never.
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Never evereverever..never! call after normal business hours and or the weekend, you will get outsourced!...everever..never!!! My granddaughters Kindle Plus (1st Gen) fell victim to the known USB mini port failure,1 month out of warranty. My daughter called after normal business hours Monday..OUTSOURCED!!...ever.never. They told her it would cost her $150 to get it replaced , after a 1/2hr she gave up. She told me what happened, and I told here to call regular business hours. So she did the next day on Tuesday, not outsources, new Kindle Plus arrived this Friday no charge at all. They sent a return label to send the bad unit back within 30 day's. Don't know if you'll have this kind of luck, but from all of my vast past experience with this type of stuff you stand a much better chance calling 9-5 Monday thru Friday. These phone Reps in these far off lands can do the job, but they aren't given the authority to. So be firm but cordial, good luck, God speed, and eat hearty!
Steve,
P.S. ever.never.
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I'm on my phone, so, may I ask where you live? So I can convert time.
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I'm on my phone, so, may I ask where you live? So I can convert time.
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Upstate New York US, Just south of Syracuse New York. Eastern time slot. 11:15pm here.
Go into an Att store. I have been in several where the people are really nice and will help you work through this. If you don't find this to be true, go to a different store and try again. Unfortunately, you might have wasted your money getting the full retail version of the phone. Why not just return it and get one through Att or Best Buy? Mine cost me $175 with the contract extension and I'm happy as can be. As for your true unlimited data, this might be the end of that! Welcome to throttling (but check out the thread on how to bypass the data limit). Whatever you do, don't stop until you've found someone who helps you convert your plan to a grandfathered unlimited one.
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When I switched from my dumb phone to my smart phone 4 years ago I didn't tell them about it so I guess I was still on the unlimited data for no-smart phones. Well, how stupid they are to think I go through 20-30 GB of data a month without it being a smart phone (I did a lot of tethering during those years).
I bought my Note 2 online. I assumed they wouldn't know about the phone switch since they didn't know about my phone switch 4 years ago. I guess because the Note 2 uses a different frequency they became aware of it that way. Anyway, it shouldn't matter. I was on an unlimited plan before and I think it is not unreasnable to be on an unlimited plan after switching. God how I hate AT&T. I was playing cards with some friends earlier tonight and an AT&T ad came on the TV. I wanted to throw something at the TV so badly!
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So you never had unlimited data for smart phones and your mad at att?! You been cheating the system for 4 years and your upset at att?! You have to have smartphone unlimited data to be grandfathered into smartphone unlimited data, it doesn't take rocket science.
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When I switched from my dumb phone to my smart phone 4 years ago I didn't tell them about it so I guess I was still on the unlimited data for no-smart phones. Well, how stupid they are to think I go through 20-30 GB of data a month without it being a smart phone (I did a lot of tethering during those years).
I bought my Note 2 online. I assumed they wouldn't know about the phone switch since they didn't know about my phone switch 4 years ago. I guess because the Note 2 uses a different frequency they became aware of it that way. Anyway, it shouldn't matter. I was on an unlimited plan before and I think it is not unreasnable to be on an unlimited plan after switching. God how I hate AT&T. I was playing cards with some friends earlier tonight and an AT&T ad came on the TV. I wanted to throw something at the TV so badly!
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After your explanation, I see now why you were switched. Here's what's apparently happening. Your smartphone before the Note II apparently didn't require LTE or report that it needed it, hence why AT&T gullible-y never realized you were using a smartphone. It's also possible that your smartphone was also on the 3G network only, which is what most non-smartphones use. Although the Note II can run on 3G networks, it would still report to the carrier that it needs access to 4G to 4G LTE networks unless you had told it not to, which seems you didn't within the hour of using it. Of course, you wouldn't have known this since you just got the phone. It also would have told AT&T that your IMEI had changed the moment you put the sim card in, which would have revealed to AT&T that you did indeed have a Note II, hence this situation.
Either way, there's no way around this situation as far as I can see unless you ask them if there's a way you can be considered as grandfathered into regular unlimited data. If you're a long time AT&T user, cite that you've been a loyal customer, but tell them you'd hate to have to go to another carrier over this. You would also need to be under contract.
No offense, and I'm guilty in another form of this in a way, but due to your circumstances, it can be perceived that you tried to cheat the system, which is in no way AT&T's fault, but yours, and you're just upset that you got caught.
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After using my Note 2 for about an hour I got a text from AT&T saying they were switching my data plan because a LTE data plan was required. Previously I had an unlimited data plan. Sure enough, I checked my account online and now I have the 3 gb plan with $10 per 1gb over the limit. How can they do this? I don't want this? What are my options? I specifically bought the Note 2 paying full retail because I didn't want AT&T to know I switched phones. This sucks!!
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If its unlim smartphone data it will be grandfathered if u bought the phone and it was manually swapped. If u have unlim smartphone data and put your sim in an lte device without telling att, the system will automatically add the 3gb plan. Its not made to add unlim even if you have it. If you upgrade at a store online or over the phone with unlim data you will keep it.
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Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent) of AT&T's customer service department. They said I had an unlimited non-smartphone plan and that they could not upgrade me to an unlimited LTE plan. I mentioned the FCC ruling ( http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/att-fcc-fine-data-plans/ ) but I don't know if people in India even know what the FCC is. Those people on the phone don't give last names or employee numbers so they feel they are unacountable.
I've been using a smart phone for the past 4 years but apparently I was still on the non-smart phone plan. They said because of that they can not switch me over to the unlimited LTE plan. So, what should I do now? I will not stay wit ha limited plan. I'll switch to T-Mobile first. However my AT&T Note 2 will not work with T-Mobile's system I think. Also, I'd rather not switch as its a pain in the ass. I really hope I can get this resolved. Do you think I'd have beeter luck in person at a store?
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You circumvented the system for 4 years, and now that has caught up with you..
Deal with it or go to a different carrier...very simple
What phone did you switch to the Note 2 from?
I'm with the guys above, looks like you were trying to beat the system and it caught up to you.
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Go into an Att store. I have been in several where the people are really nice and will help you work through this. If you don't find this to be true, go to a different store and try again. ... Whatever you do, don't stop until you've found someone who helps you convert your plan to a grandfathered unlimited one.
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I will give it another shot of two MOnday and see how it goes.
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So you never had unlimited data for smart phones and your mad at att?! You been cheating the system for 4 years and your upset at att?! You have to have smartphone unlimited data to be grandfathered into smartphone unlimited data, it doesn't take rocket science.
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Until two days ago I didn't know there were two seperate unlimited plans (one for smart phone and one for non-smart phones). The reason I didn't tell AT&T I switched to a smartphone 4 years ago is because I thought I would lose my unlimited data plan. It was not to save $15 a month. I could care less about that. It hindsight I should have told them and been on the unlimited smartphone plan but I was so concerned that they would cancel my unlimited data plan I din't do that.
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Either way, there's no way around this situation as far as I can see unless you ask them if there's a way you can be considered as grandfathered into regular unlimited data. If you're a long time AT&T user, cite that you've been a loyal customer, but tell them you'd hate to have to go to another carrier over this. You would also need to be under contract.
No offense, and I'm guilty in another form of this in a way, but due to your circumstances, it can be perceived that you tried to cheat the system, which is in no way AT&T's fault, but yours, and you're just upset that you got caught.
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Well, I may have cheated the system for $15 a month it turns out but that was not my intention. My intention was only to keep unlimited data. Don't we all "cheat the system" here everytime we do something that the networks don't want us doing with our phones? Tethering, trying to get around throttling, even rooting can be considered cheating the system. I always thought that was part of the spirit of modding and customizing.
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You circumvented the system for 4 years, and now that has caught up with you..
Deal with it or go to a different carrier...very simple
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I like 'circumvented' better than cheated; it sounds less judgemental. Yeah, those may be my two options. If they are, I will choose option 2-- go to a different carrier. In that case, I'll be putting my 3-day old Note 2 up for sale I guess and buying one from T-Mobile.
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What phone did you switch to the Note 2 from?
I'm with the guys above, looks like you were trying to beat the system and it caught up to you.
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I was using a HTC Touch HD. It was a great phone for the time and I installed Dutty's custom rom found on these forums. However a lot has changed in 4 years. I don't like the progress (or lack of it) with Windows and all of my 'must have' programs are now available on Android so making the switch was an each choice (and long overdue).
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Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent) of AT&T's customer service department. They said I had an unlimited non-smartphone plan and that they could not upgrade me to an unlimited LTE plan. I mentioned the FCC ruling ( http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/att-fcc-fine-data-plans/ ) but I don't know if people in India even know what the FCC is. Those people on the phone don't give last names or employee numbers so they feel they are unacountable.
I've been using a smart phone for the past 4 years but apparently I was still on the non-smart phone plan. They said because of that they can not switch me over to the unlimited LTE plan. So, what should I do now? I will not stay wit ha limited plan. I'll switch to T-Mobile first. However my AT&T Note 2 will not work with T-Mobile's system I think. Also, I'd rather not switch as its a pain in the ass. I really hope I can get this resolved. Do you think I'd have beeter luck in person at a store?
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A cheater and a Racist. So sick of people like you.
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A cheater and a Racist. So sick of people like you.
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I'm sorry to anyone who misconstrued my remarks. I was upset with the customer service reprezsentative and her thick accent was not making matters any easier. Perhaps that is why I mentioned that she was probably in India. I certainly didn't mean to disparage all Indians and if anyone took it that way I am sorry.
A followup session with a rep today resulted in pretty much the same thing, except they're giving me $50 off my next bill. Really though, by that point I didn't even try that hard. I've decided I'll switch to T-Mobile because, even if I got to keep unlimited data with AT&T there would still be the throtttling issues to deal with each month. T-Mobile may not have the breakneck speed of AT&T (right now) but I don't need 50+ Mb/s.
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Well, I may have cheated the system for $15 a month it turns out but that was not my intention. My intention was only to keep unlimited data.
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I don't know.. AT&T didn't discontinue unlimited or throttled data back then.. You shouldn't have had any issues keeping unlimited data when switching phones unless you wanted to save $15/month.
To add insult to injury I get to pay $20 a month more for unlimited data and no longer get to tether with Foxfi. Tell me it ain't true....
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To add insult to injury I get to pay $20 a month more for unlimited data and no longer get to tether with Foxfi. Tell me it ain't true....
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I don't think this is an an issue with Verizon. I believe this is the FoxFi VPN servers are down. This happened a few months ago, and the next day it started working again.
Hope you are right. Time will tell.
It's 8:36PM Pacific Time - 11/20/2015 - Foxfi not working on Verizon Galaxy s5. Did yours start working again?
Booo. I'd rather get beat in the face with a sack full of pissed off kittens than go without my foxfi....I was one of the retards that got a note 4...and bog5 is not my friend.
Do any of you know how to use FoxFi via USB mode or Bluetooth mode to connect PS3, granted that'll be a fix till we all figure out what the deal is.
Note 4, Verizon with Unlimited Data Fox Fi not working for me as of I think today (last time I ran it was a week ago). Bummed, bout to take a road trip with the kids for Thanksgiving and no wifi. What's going on?
I just tried to fire up FoxFi for the first time in a few days and I can't get it to work, either. Also on Verizon with an Unlimited Data Plan. Am I screwed?
Looking around the XDA community, it looks like Foxfi is no longer an option. Without root we are done with free wifi tethering for now. I hope Foxfi can come up with a work around. I am using usb tethering and Pdanet until someone beats this block.
Why is it just to much to pay the $30 for the hot spot? Thats a total of $79 a month for unlimited high speed data, check the cable and phone companies prices they are moving away from unlimited to tiered packages, comcast wants the same amount of money for 150 gigs a month, last month eac of my 5 lines used that apiece.
Foxfi just started working! Hope it continues.
Foxfi has been killed by our carrier Verizon. I believe I have found a work around and need testers. Currently I'm running foxfi on my Verizon OG5, none rooted with unlimited data Plan.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/foxfi-fixed-og5-rooted-verizon-note4-t3256610
Edit: I heard that foxfi is working again? please confirm!
FoxFi also started working for me, again, around last Wednesday or so. Been working fine ever since. I'm on the road and have been using it as my hotspot for tablet and laptop almost 24/7 since then. No problems.