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Well, I'm sold. Those are the two magic words I needed to hear. Can't wait for that bad boy.
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/05/featured-verizon-wireless-turns-down-htcs-one-series-in-favor-of-droid-incredible-4g-lte.html
Even though the incredible 4G seems to have a few things that it lacks compared to the One X, it does have an unlocked bootloader which the One X does not. It seems that there was quite following of fans that wouldn’t have it any other way. This small group of android nerds is extremely passionate about the capability to tweak and change their devices. For those of you that are unfamiliar with what an unlocked bootloader does, it allows you somewhat endless possibilities to customize the firmware (or OS) on your device. Which can enhance its user experience, looks, features and the like. This move by HTC to keep the bootloader unlocked is because HTC says they fully support the ability to keep things open and customizable.
HTC is fully committed to the bootloader unlocking program and that Verizon is also completely behind it. Ultimately leading to its choice to make the incredible 4G LTE with this feature. While Verizon is behind the idea now. They could of course change their mind at any time.
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I'm very surprised by this news and very happy at the same time. This might bring some additional devs to the phone. Thanks for the news. You may want to post this in the Incredible 4G sub forum if its not already there.
That's great news and really cool to see that Htc is still going to be allowing the unlocked bootloader.
I'm sure this will be a big plus for me when it comes time to try out a new phone in the future
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That's great news and really cool to see that Htc is still going to be allowing the unlocked bootloader.
I'm sure this will be a big plus for me when it comes time to try out a new phone in the future
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But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.
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But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.
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SON and SOFF has nothing todo with getting AOSP. The main problems with aosp on our phones is getting the RIL to work with aosp. Our devs have said the ril is the most complicated theyve seen.
Anyway, when we were just s on we can still have perm root, the thing is kernels werent able to flash in recovery, was flashed in bootloader. We couldnt flash radios, or change firmwares. But it was just fine. Now that we have soff everythings easier to flash. Though getting soff required a wire trick to short out the motherboard to acquire it.
So having just an unlocked bootloader will just mean 1 more step flashing roms, thats all.
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Well, I'm sold. Those are the two magic words I needed to hear. Can't wait for that bad boy.
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/05...ries-in-favor-of-droid-incredible-4g-lte.html
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I can't understand how Verizon can play double standards like this. On the one side, they say they are 100% behind unlocking bootloaders for HTC and on the other hand they don't allow Motorola phones like the Droid X2, etc. to have unlocked bootloaders... unimpressed :/
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I can't understand how Verizon can play double standards like this. On the one side, they say they are 100% behind unlocking bootloaders for HTC and on the other hand they don't allow Motorola phones like the Droid X2, etc. to have unlocked bootloaders... unimpressed :/
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i do think its htc dev unlock for the inc lte (not a completely unlocked b/l)
but in (slight) defense of vzw...its not all on them
for example samsung just makes their devices unlocked by default and offers them to carriers so no issue there
htc has their unlock program and i imagine offers the devices with it built in to carriers, and unless one of them threatens to not carry it as is (like possibly att did) then thats how it comes
moto encrypts (which is much stricter than s-on btw) its devices and then asks the carriers if they want them to then unlock it...none of them are gonna say yes
Hopefully we'll be able to get root with s-off... I want this phone.. 4" screen, step ups in hardware... Hopefully all the great devs will follow from the dinc 1 and 2...
well, the rezound had htc-dev-unlock and just got s-off finally after what 8 months?
s-off is always a possibility.
but htc unlock to me, is still very nice, as we can root, and do just about everything we can with s-off, it's just a little getting used to.
htc unlock may infact even make it so some dev wont want to "waste" time for s-off as the phone is already rooted
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well, the rezound had htc-dev-unlock and just got s-off finally after what 8 months?
s-off is always a possibility.
but htc unlock to me, is still very nice, as we can root, and do just about everything we can with s-off, it's just a little getting used to.
htc unlock may infact even make it so some dev wont want to "waste" time for s-off as the phone is already rooted
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yeah personally i dont care about having to flash kernels through hboot....it wouldnt prevent me from getting the phone...and im imagine much like the rezound and other s3 phones got s-off from the same project, the inc lte would benefit from work on the one series
Still a little bummed about the camera but this is definitely good news. Thanks for the heads up!
so im pondering cus my fingers are twitching , do i root now or wait for s-off then root. or wait till after next ota then root???? opinions??
First thing you should do is search its been asked before. personally i am satisfied with stock so far. So its not too hard to wait for s-off. i have Desire as well so if i feel like flashing ill play with that
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First thing you should do is search its been asked before. personally i am satisfied with stock so far. So its not too hard to wait for s-off. i have Desire as well so if i feel like flashing ill play with that
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yes my friend i no i should search, but its not lke searching for a problem to fixc is it. it asking advice , but thanks for your input maybe ill fidlle with my desire to for now.
If you desperately want to root and your phone doesnt have any hardware issues do it now. But your warranty will be void by using HTCDev. If you can wait and I would, wait until we get S-OFF then you can do it without HTC knowing.
Don't think s off will ever be possible to be honest.that was the reason I went ahead and rooted.
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Don't think s off will ever be possible to be honest.that was the reason I went ahead and rooted.
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ahh never say never, im sure the devs or alpharev or somebody will break it somehow!!
I had the same dilemma.
Finally I've unlocked, and rooted, because I'm very impatient.
I think if/when we will have S-OFF, then we will be able, to revert it to "LOCKED" (and not RELOCKED), and we will be able, to erase any trace of hacking/moddding. Then they will have no ground to void the warranty.
To root, or not to root, that is the question.
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
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First thing you should do is search its been asked before. personally i am satisfied with stock so far. So its not too hard to wait for s-off. i have Desire as well so if i feel like flashing ill play with that
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Same here.
I can wait, but to be honest, I'm very impatient to see new OTA from HTC.
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WiZARD7 said:
I had the same dilemma.
Finally I've unlocked, and rooted, because I'm very impatient.
I think if/when we will have S-OFF, then we will be able, to revert it to "LOCKED" (and not RELOCKED), and we will be able, to erase any trace of hacking/moddding. Then they will have no ground to void the warranty.
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I thought that once you use HTC's official process they have it logged on their system, as they give you an individual token for your device? Is this something that could be removed? I always thought that once you cross that line there's no going back as they must store it on a server somewhere.
Anyhow I'm teetering closer and closer to using htcdev.com but always end up telling myself to wait another few days......been watching that s-off development thread like a hawk.
I used htc dev to unlock it and never locked back.
It's much smoother with ROMs like ARHD which means a better user experience to me. Stock didn't really satisfy me, because Sense lacked from time to time
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think ill wait a while see if any ugly issues show up on the phone, i mean i didnt root my desire for a whole year, ( cus i did not know of its existence!!)
but hopefully with s-off we can go back to stock without htc knowing!!
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I thought that once you use HTC's official process they have it logged on their system, as they give you an individual token for your device? Is this something that could be removed? I always thought that once you cross that line there's no going back as they must store it on a server somewhere.
Anyhow I'm teetering closer and closer to using htcdev.com but always end up telling myself to wait another few days......been watching that s-off development thread like a hawk.
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yes, maybe they loggint, that you ask for the token.
but I think that doesn't mean that you used it. you can change your mind after you received it, or you can be noob, and you can't use it...
so it would be very bizarre, that they void the warranty because on some website you ask for a tool.
(if you have a gun in your hand, it doesn't mean you are a killer)
Was in the same boat as yourself. But rooted anyway and haven't looked back. Thank god I don't have to deal with Sense anymore.
i waited so much time... one week ago i said stop and i unlocked/rooted and installed cm10 much better!
I wanted to just add a comment to a thread somewhere expressing a valid point in regards to s-off.....but it should almost be said in all of them so here it is.
A lot of people have growing concerns regarding s-off ever being re-accomplished with the new hboot versions (1.54 etc). People say that when the VZW S4 can't even get unlocked, how do we expect this to ever happen for HTC? An extremely large oversight that people are missing here is that yes, the VZW S4 community is very large. And with regards to unlocking the bootloader, you could also include the AT&T crowd into the mix as its kinda a dual deal. But these are the only two carrier devices being effected by the bootloader issue. Both carriers xda communities combined. However, when it comes to s-off for our device, you're not just involving VZW users. Or just adding another carrier to the mix. You literally have EVERY HTC One around the globe effected by this circumstance. So not only do you have vzw devs working on it, but at&t, tmo, sprint, rogers, bell, etc etc etc etc etc.....all of am around the globe. There are FAR FAR FAR more people interested in this than there are people for other bootloaders for other devices. This is the advantage of owning a worldwide single-product release.
So yes, I say there is a significantly larger hope for s-off being achieved than most people give credit for.
EXAMPLE - look at how many devices were effected by moonshine/revone and tell me how many phones/carriers were obtainable through this....:good:
TechSavvy2 said:
I wanted to just add a comment to a thread somewhere expressing a valid point in regards to s-off.....but it should almost be said in all of them so here it is.
A lot of people have growing concerns regarding s-off ever being re-accomplished with the new hboot versions (1.54 etc). People say that when the VZW S4 can't even get unlocked, how do we expect this to ever happen for HTC? An extremely large oversight that people are missing here is that yes, the VZW S4 community is very large. And with regards to unlocking the bootloader, you could also include the AT&T crowd into the mix as its kinda a dual deal. But these are the only two carrier devices being effected by the bootloader issue. Both carriers xda communities combined. However, when it comes to s-off for our device, you're not just involving VZW users. Or just adding another carrier to the mix. You literally have EVERY HTC One around the globe effected by this circumstance. So not only do you have vzw devs working on it, but at&t, tmo, sprint, rogers, bell, etc etc etc etc etc.....all of am around the globe. There are FAR FAR FAR more people interested in this than there are people for other bootloaders for other devices. This is the advantage of owning a worldwide single-product release.
So yes, I say there is a significantly larger hope for s-off being achieved than most people give credit for.
EXAMPLE - look at how many devices were effected by moonshine/revone and tell me how many phones/carriers were obtainable through this....:good:
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Boy I hope you're right lol
Didn't really think about it this way, +1 for I hope you're right.
The problem is that when the bootloader isn't locked down, there's very little reason for people to really get S-OFF
S-off shouldn't be our concern. Unlocking the bootloader should be our main concern, along with root. In all honesty, s-off isn't even necessary and most people don't even know what it actually does. It could cause more harm than good.
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S-Off is fun though, I used to love being able to flash radios whenever I wanted on my Thunderbolt without an RUU. Flashing custom splash screens was fun too.
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All I want is the Google Edition rom, or as close as we can get to it.
If s-off isn't necessary for that, then I'm not concerned about s-off. I mean I hope it happens for the people who want it though
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All I want is the Google Edition rom, or as close as we can get to it.
If s-off isn't necessary for that, then I'm not concerned about s-off. I mean I hope it happens for the people who want it though
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You can install newts Google edition with an unlocked bootloader, s-off not necessary.
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do you need s-off for boot animations? I want that google play edition animation
crazyg0od33 said:
do you need s-off for boot animations? I want that google play edition animation
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Nope. Just root. Splash screens need s-off.
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S-OFF is nice if we can't get an unlocked bootloader through HTCDEV. At this point, I'll take what I can get. I am waiting to pull the trigger on the phone now that HTC shut off the unlocking option. There might be a step where we can:
1- get s-off
2- unlock bootloader / load custom recovery
3- disable s-off (s-on again)
squabbi has built a nice AIO toolkit and I suspect when something is found for our hboot (or another attack vector is found) the toolkit can be modified to include the verizon version. I think once we (verizon people) can change the CID, we will be able to unlock the bootloader and it will be a non-issue.
Maj
MajikUF said:
S-OFF is nice if we can't get an unlocked bootloader through HTCDEV. At this point, I'll take what I can get. I am waiting to pull the trigger on the phone now that HTC shut off the unlocking option. There might be a step where we can:
1- get s-off
2- unlock bootloader
3- disable s-off (s-on again)
squabbi has built a nice AIO toolkit and I suspect when something is found for our hboot (or another attack vector is found) the toolkit can be modified to include the verizon version. I think once we (verizon people) can change the CID, we will be able to unlock the bootloader and it will be a non-issue.
Maj
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If we got s-off then the bootloader wouldn't even matter.
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If we got s-off then the bootloader wouldn't even matter.
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I updated my #2 to add flashing custom recovery.. I currently have my rezound s-off, but I never liked it being s-off. I always prefer being s-on for extra protection. (a phone condom if you will)
Take from a someone who owed a ONE from various carriers, S-off is overrated.
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MajikUF said:
I updated my #2 to add flashing custom recovery.. I currently have my rezound s-off, but I never liked it being s-off. I always prefer being s-on for extra protection. (a phone condom if you will)
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Yeah. I remember when I screwed up my rezound. Then I fixed it, put up a guide and got hated on lol
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shook187 said:
Take from a someone who owed a ONE from various carriers, S-off is overrated.
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This^ I tell everyone this. They think they need s-off when really they are just too lazy to flash a boot img.
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Yeah. I remember when I screwed up my rezound. Then I fixed it, put up a guide and got hated on lol
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This^ I tell everyone this. They think they need s-off when really they are just too lazy to flash a boot img.
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What about aroma kernels? It is not overrated. Sometimes a boot img cannot be extracted and like I said it makes aroma flashing impossible (maybe TWRP dumlock supports it not sure). Even so, its nice knowing the carrier can never lock my device or unroot it. And as of now, no one else can unlock their device. So no, S-off is not overrated. Just so everyone knows, s-off will not be achieved until the newest hboot is cracked. I am not sure if its possible but if it is, it will probably take a few months. Good luck to everyone working on it
S-Off is kind of a big deal. You can remove that tampered flag when you unlock your boot loader. Hell you can unlock your phone without losing all your data and flagging that tampered line. Most people enjoy peace of mind of being able to relock the bootloader without tampered so the factory warranty and other securities are still available to them.
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S-Off is kind of a big deal. You can remove that tampered flag when you unlock your boot loader. Hell you can unlock your phone without losing all your data and flagging that tampered line. Most people enjoy peace of mind of being able to relock the bootloader without tampered so the factory warranty and other securities are still available to them.
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As much as I want s-off, these are definitely not the reasons why.... I'm contempt with what I'm doing to my warranty.
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Syn Ack said:
S-Off is kind of a big deal. You can remove that tampered flag when you unlock your boot loader. Hell you can unlock your phone without losing all your data and flagging that tampered line. Most people enjoy peace of mind of being able to relock the bootloader without tampered so the factory warranty and other securities are still available to them.
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But there is also a risk you could ruin your phone if you do something wrong. I enjoy s-off but people need to understand what they are truly doing to their phones before they do something they can't undo.
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shook187 said:
Take from a someone who owed a ONE from various carriers, S-off is overrated.
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Take it from someone whom also owned a HTC One that was s-off on other carriers.... you are completely wrong.
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So I searched this site for quite a while and have not yet found a solution to this problem, so the only thing left to do was to post this.
I have an HTC one running 4.3 on Verizon.
The first problem occurs when I try to post my unlock token to htcdev. When I do I get the "Mid not allowed: error 160".
So to fix this I learned that I need to change my CID to be something like "111111". The weird part is, in order to change my CID I need to be unlocked and have s-off.
You see my problem? I can't unlock because on my CID, and I can't change my CID because I'm not unlocked....
Does anyone have a solution? I'm sorry if the solution is already posted, I just can't find it!
Thanks!
As a side note, I tried to use rumrunner but I got an error. I'm not sure why I got this error but based on some of the things I read I suspect it was due to being on 4.3? Has anyone been able to root/unlock/s-off on 4.3 Verizon?
Nikguy
You simply have not read enough messages in this sub-Forum and its cousins to realize that your version of what is running is not at the moment capable of being upgraded. Search a bit more.
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You simply have not read enough messages in this sub-Forum and its cousins to realize that your version of what is running is not at the moment capable of being upgraded. Search a bit more.
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Ha ok I guess you are right. Maybe I just didn't want to accept it! Thanks though
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You simply have not read enough messages in this sub-Forum and its cousins to realize that your version of what is running is not at the moment capable of being upgraded. Search a bit more.
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Ha ok I guess you are right. Maybe I just didn't want to accept it! Thanks though
Currently we can't root or get s off in 4.3. Would be nice if Verizon tokens were not blacklisted from HTC dev but what can you do.
Only way to get root right now is if you have a java card and that costs a lot of money. There is a guy on here who has one and will do it for a price if you don't mind paying for it with shipping back and forth. But that's up to you, right now we have to wait and let the devs who came up with rumrunner upgrade the program for the newest software.
Wish there was a way to debloat the stock 4.3 from Verizon without soff because then my one wouldn't be sitting on the table anymore lol.
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Would someone please point me in the right direction of a post / guide for performing S-OFF given current available resources? I just picked up a refurbished M8 ($1 !!!) and have already unlocked the bootloader and flashed TWRP. However all of the videos and guides I have seen involve obtaining S-OFF through using firewater (ran into an error due to an unrecognized character - the open parenthesis character to be exact - and I couldn't get to the part where you have to type "Yes" in the command window) and I really don't want to pay 25 bucks for the sunshine S-Off method. Any advice? Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere already, I couldn't find anything when I looked......
Firewater is no longer supported. Sunshine is the only S-off method for the M8.
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Would someone please point me in the right direction of a post / guide for performing S-OFF given current available resources? I just picked up a refurbished M8 ($1 !!!) and have already unlocked the bootloader and flashed TWRP. However all of the videos and guides I have seen involve obtaining S-OFF through using firewater (ran into an error due to an unrecognized character - the open parenthesis character to be exact - and I couldn't get to the part where you have to type "Yes" in the command window) and I really don't want to pay 25 bucks for the sunshine S-Off method. Any advice? Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere already, I couldn't find anything when I looked......
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The only advice I have is to cough up the $25. It is worth it for the freedom it gives you.
Would anyone tell me if I flash latest 4.4.4 though .zip via recovery or run HTC RUU then I will loose S OFF? I want to flash ViperOne but needs 4.4.4 firmware cause of WiFi issues. Thanks
Once you get S-Off you will not lose it using RUU 's or custom ROM's no matter how many time's you flash
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Thanks, Yeah I just found out that S OFF and Unlocked Bootloader stays the same even if I run HTC RUU or flash stock firmware.zip :good:
Edit; I will only loose root. And, I will need stock recovery to run HTC RUU or custom recovery to flash .zip firmware
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@scoot0073
Thanks, Yeah I just found out that S OFF and Unlocked Bootloader stays the same even if I run HTC RUU or flash stock firmware.zip :good:
Edit; I will only loose root. And, I will need stock recovery to run HTC RUU or custom recovery to flash .zip firmware
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You don't need to install the stock recovery to run a RUU. Also, firmware is flashed through the bootloader, not recovery.
xunholyx said:
The only advice I have is to cough up the $25. It is worth it for the freedom it gives you.
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Firewater is no longer supported. Sunshine is the only S-off method for the M8.
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Drat. Well thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll "spring" for sunshine..... It's just so disappointing to see things come to this. I see countless posts and threads on this site where dedicated devs/advanced users just want to lend a helping hand or make someone else's mobile phone experience a little better, asking for nothing but an optional donation in return. You are the people that make this world a better place!!!! I had the LG Optimus as my previous device and I remember paying a dollar for the FreeGee app, which did a similar thing. Now, $1 is essentially a small donation, I can deal with that and am happy to support my devs. But $25 ? come on now, that's just embarrassing. If I were 2-3 years older I would have the requisite comp sci experience to figure out how to S-OFF myself! Oh well. Can't blame the guy for just trying to make a quick buck.....or 25..................
Cheers.
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Drat. Well thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll "spring" for sunshine..... It's just so disappointing to see things come to this. I see countless posts and threads on this site where dedicated devs/advanced users just want to lend a helping hand or make someone else's mobile phone experience a little better, asking for nothing but an optional donation in return. You are the people that make this world a better place!!!! I had the LG Optimus as my previous device and I remember paying a dollar for the FreeGee app, which did a similar thing. Now, $1 is essentially a small donation, I can deal with that and am happy to support my devs. But $25 ? come on now, that's just embarrassing. If I were 2-3 years older I would have the requisite comp sci experience to figure out how to S-OFF myself! Oh well. Can't blame the guy for just trying to make a quick buck.....or 25..................
Cheers.
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How many devices do you think they bricked before they cracked that exploit? Should they just write off thousands of dollars in lost devices so that you can have a "better" experience?
$1 Donation from 100 people out of the 50,000 that used it means nothing to them. That's then not even enough to replace one device that they bricked beyond repair. Then we're not even talking about the hours that they have to put in to actually do this and to write the codes etc to get the exploit...
Entitlement generation
frankp124 said:
Drat. Well thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll "spring" for sunshine..... It's just so disappointing to see things come to this. I see countless posts and threads on this site where dedicated devs/advanced users just want to lend a helping hand or make someone else's mobile phone experience a little better, asking for nothing but an optional donation in return. You are the people that make this world a better place!!!! I had the LG Optimus as my previous device and I remember paying a dollar for the FreeGee app, which did a similar thing. Now, $1 is essentially a small donation, I can deal with that and am happy to support my devs. But $25 ? come on now, that's just embarrassing. If I were 2-3 years older I would have the requisite comp sci experience to figure out how to S-OFF myself! Oh well. Can't blame the guy for just trying to make a quick buck.....or 25..................
Cheers.
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Well, to tell the truth you don't have to pay. All you have to do is try to find the exploits to gain S-Off on your own. I figure after less than a day (after your first brick), $25 will seem like a bargain.
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How many devices do you think they bricked before they cracked that exploit? Should they just write off thousands of dollars in lost devices so that you can have a "better" experience?
$1 Donation from 100 people out of the 50,000 that used it means nothing to them. That's then not even enough to replace one device that they bricked beyond repair. Then we're not even talking about the hours that they have to put in to actually do this and to write the codes etc to get the exploit...
Entitlement generation
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Not trying to start a fight dude, just pointing out that in the past all the development software I've used was absolutely free. And I'm sure that over the last 7 years there have been millions of dollars of devices that have been bricked by devs trying to work on new ROMs, exploits, hacks, and the like. Times have changed I guess.... more challenging software to exploit and such.
It has already been discussed several times in several threads!!! the Sunshine developer team has the right to charge as much money as they want. they have selected an amount that they needed. its not about you and me or some other person who cant or wont pay that for S-off. i myself have not yet gotten S-off. so please refrain from posting such absurd logic about previous things being free and others points just to justify this.
If you cant afford $25 then just be practical and flash stuffs with caution like me. Sunshine is not something illegal that posting against it will eventually make it free!!!!! Happy Flashing!!!!
Not to mention, sunshine is actually pretty revolutionary.. Think about how hard it is to gain s-off now days, and then think about the fact that with Sunshine,they not only cracked it, BUT ALSO made it a 1-click method. Best $25 I ever spent, no question
Rantrave07 said:
It has already been discussed several times in several threads!!!
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Yeah, that horse has been beaten to death 10 times over, in pages and pages of threads!
If the OP got the phone for $1, than they get a s-off phone with "full freedom" for $26. Still a pretty awesome deal.
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frankp124 said:
However all of the videos and guides I have seen involve obtaining S-OFF through using firewater
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Be aware that s-off is only needed for a few isolated things. Unfortunately, updating firmware manually to run the more recent ROMs is one of those things. And the most common reason for wanting s-off.
I gather from your device history that you are on AT&T. If the goal is to update firmware, your alternative is to stay with ROMs that match your firmware and wait for AT&T to roll out the 4.4.4 update (which will update the firmware). Since unfortunately, AT&T is one of the few versions that haven't had 4.4.4 rolled out. Hopefully that will happen soon. One source has reported the rollout was delayed twice in December due to issues incorporating VoLTE (voice over LTE).