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[Q] Galaxy Nexus vs LG Spectrum

Hi guys, it happened that I can still bring back my GN and get another phone. The LG Spectrum will be available on Jan 19. By looking the specs here is what I see:
Processor GN - 1.2, LG 1.5
Camera GN - 5 mp, LG 8 mp
Screen - same resolution, LG has better colors (at least what they're saying).
Storage: GN - 32 gig, LG - 4+.
OS - here is the huge disadvantage: LG has Gingerbread versus ICS on GN. However they claim update will be available early this year.
Also, Verizon will be making LG global and it priced $100 chipper.
Guys, am I missing something? Are there any other reasons to keep GN?
I appreciate your input.

Hm, certainly you are missing couple of things.
According to quick search on Google: "(LG Spectrum) won’t get Ice Cream Sandwich until the second half of 2012". This alone kills the phone for me.
Otherwise, it lacks notification LED - one of the main features of SGN for me.
It also has buttons on the front, not soft buttons on the screen like SGN.
If I was in the market for other than SGN android phone, I would either wait for SGS3, or the new Sony Xperia S, or maybe I would just go for the Galaxy Note (ICS update expected in 1-2 months).

Stock Android Experience (esp. on Ice Cream Sandwich) > any manufacturered skin of Android.
Not to mention Nexus devices tend to get a lot of good developer support simply because its a Nexus device.

LG is possibly theeeeee absolute worse at making stable Android software, not to mention their support is lacking, and their skin is horrible. To each his own though.

LG is without a doubt the worst phone manufacturer when it comes to system updates. G2x shipped with 2.2, was promised 2.3 within weeks, and didn't receive it officially until 6 months later. Tons of people had quality control issues with 3,4,5 replacements being common. Stay far, far away from LG. G2x was fantastic to hold and was great when it works correctly, but left such a bad taste in my mouth I wont be purchasing LG products again.

GNowner said:
Hi guys, it happened that I can still bring back my GN and get another phone. The LG Spectrum will be available on Jan 19. By looking the specs here is what I see:
Processor GN - 1.2, LG 1.5
Camera GN - 5 mp, LG 8 mp
Screen - same resolution, LG has better colors (at least what they're saying).
Storage: GN - 32 gig, LG - 4+.
OS - here is the huge disadvantage: LG has Gingerbread versus ICS on GN. However they claim update will be available early this year.
Also, Verizon will be making LG global and it priced $100 chipper.
Guys, am I missing something? Are there any other reasons to keep GN?
I appreciate your input.
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When talking about processors, there's more to consider than just clock speed. To make a long story short, I'd quickly take the 1.2 OMAP 4460 over a 1.5 snapdragon S3 any day of the week. I refuse to accept a phone using a snapdragon S3.
Camera - Megapixels alone do not make a camera better. That just means it takes larger photos.
Screen - Not sure where you heard it had better colors, but with it having an IPS display that means two things will inherently be true. It will not have anywhere near the same contrast as the Galaxy Nexus and it's color will not be as vibrant. For your reference, some IPS displays are only 800:1 whereas the GNex has a contrast ratio of 100000:1. Needless to say, that's quite a sizeable difference, and visibly the difference is quite ostensible.
OS - LG's reputation with updates is worse than any other manufacturer out there. On the G2x they promised an update to gingerbread in "a few weeks", and that "few weeks" turned into several months. When they do actually update the spectrum to ICS the Galaxy Nexus will be close to getting Jellybean and will already have had multiple incremental updates already. Not to mention that the ICS update will likely be the first and last update the Spectrum will see.
As for things that you might be missing, one the that jumps out at me is the lack of NFC. I refuse to purchase a phone that does not have nfc. NFC is due to really pick up this year, and I'm not the least bit interested in any device that will lack this.
Overall the main reason I wouldn't give this phone a second thought is...IT'S AN LG PHONE. That alone is enough reason to give me pause. LG's reputation in the cell phone world is worse than horrid. They make buggy devices and then don't support them. Heck when they finally did update the g2x to gingerbread, they still left it with a froyo kernel! WTF! The fact that this phone is made by LG is enough to make it an object of derision. I would advise you to forego that phone. Friends don't let friends use LG phones.

Spectrum has the same specs as the LG Nitro for ATT. Horrendous battery life. That's why I returned the Nitro and got the Galaxy Nexus.

The Spectrum is thoroughly unimpressive after using it for a few days. Compared to the Nexus it just feels wrong in my hand. I'm afraid to see how diluted ICS is going to be once the manufacturers add their skins on top of them; it will NOT be the same experience that you get on the Nexus.
That being said the great thing about having multiple devices available is there is something to fit the needs of just about anyone. So if that's a better fit for you then go for it...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

mysterioustko said:
Friends don't let friends use LG phones.
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Ha! Well put. I carried the Revolution as my company phone for a while before upgrading to the Rezound and I'll agree, LG Android phones are crap. Also, add stated NFC is something that I wouldn't buy a phone without and there are a lot of things to consider when comparing processors and cameras; clock speed and megapixels are not the only factors.
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Thanks to all. I'll stay with GN. I do like my phone. But as always when you see something better at least on paper you start thinking. Several years back I used to have an LG phone (not android). It wasn't that bad.
Anyway, I'm not changing my login to LGowner. GNowner - that is.

well i love ur username but if u decide to change phones its going to sound kinda wierd like "i have the htc diamond touch 4g nexus tron 2" but my name is gnowner

GNowner said:
Thanks to all. I'll stay with GN. I do like my phone. But as always when you see something better at least on paper you start thinking. Several years back I used to have an LG phone (not android). It wasn't that bad.
Anyway, I'm not changing my login to LGowner. GNowner - that is.
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For the sake of argument (lol) I'll just throw out there that the Spectrum is not better on paper. An inferior processor, ips screen (IMO is not on par with amoled displays), and no nfc. It is not better on paper.

mysterioustko said:
For the sake of argument (lol) I'll just throw out there that the Spectrum is not better on paper. An inferior processor, ips screen (IMO is not on par with amoled displays), and no nfc. It is not better on paper.
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I'm far from being an expert. For average user 1.5 > 1.2. In terms of screen quality I watched the presentation from CES and the guy sounded very much convincing.

People who say Samsung is bad at updating have never had the displeasure of using a LG. LG is the company who releases phones Q3 2011 with 2.2 and it seems like LG has forgotten that phone already.
Google should not give licenses(market access) to companies requesting it to release a phone running a Version that was replaced more then 6 month in the past. So LGs issue is partially googles for being so lax on giving the license out.

mysterioustko said:
For the sake of argument (lol) I'll just throw out there that the Spectrum is not better on paper. An inferior processor, ips screen (IMO is not on par with amoled displays), and no nfc. It is not better on paper.
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I give credit where credit is due. The ips screen is absolutely beautiful. Much better than the gnex. The lag on the UI and horrendous battery life is what kills it.

For what it's worth, I love my Gnex. But if I needed to be away from a charger for more than 8 hours (where I would be using my phone, not just idle stand by time) I would carry my LG Revolution. It's rock solid stable overclocked to 1.9 ghz, and with the 3000 mah extended battery, I get all day and all night use out of my phone. You pay a premium for a 4.65 screen, and that premium is battery drain. The Gnex is superior to my revo in every way except battery life, but sometimes battery life is the most important thing in a phone. (good thing I have two lines, I can choose which phone to take with me depending on how long I need the battery to last!) all that being said, I'm not usually away from a charger, so the battery life of the Gnex is not a deal breaker for me, It hasn't let me down yet, it did get down to 2 per cent once, because I forgot to put it on the charger in a low signal area for 8 hours, but that was my fault, not the phone's fault!

ozymandiaz said:
For what it's worth, I love my Gnex. But if I needed to be away from a charger for more than 8 hours (where I would be using my phone, not just idle stand by time) I would carry my LG Revolution. It's rock solid stable overclocked to 1.9 ghz, and with the 3000 mah extended battery, I get all day and all night use out of my phone. You pay a premium for a 4.65 screen, and that premium is battery drain. The Gnex is superior to my revo in every way except battery life, but sometimes battery life is the most important thing in a phone. (good thing I have two lines, I can choose which phone to take with me depending on how long I need the battery to last!) all that being said, I'm not usually away from a charger, so the battery life of the Gnex is not a deal breaker for me, It hasn't let me down yet, it did get down to 2 per cent once, because I forgot to put it on the charger in a low signal area for 8 hours, but that was my fault, not the phone's fault!
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Well any phone with a 3000mAh battery is going to be solid on battery life and give you a day's use... You're comparing the revolution with a 3000mAh battery to a GN with a 1750mAh.

The Gnex, even if there were a 3000 mah battery available for it (which there isn't) would not get near the life that the revolution does. That's not knocking the Gnex, but pumping out the better resolution on a much larger screen, using more cores, is going to use much more battery. It's just a fact of life. The Revolution, even on the stock 1500 (or so, I think it's actually 1450 or something) battery is going to last longer than the Gnex, due to the smaller resolution and screen size. My point was only that the more the phone can do, the shorter time the battery lasts.

I've read somewhere that Galaxy Nexus' screen, being Amoled, will eventually have screen burn in. LG Spectrum's IPS display will not have any piece of that.

Went to the verizon store today to see which phone I liked better. In my opinion the Spectrum's screen is superior to the Nexus's screen. I compared them at min, mid, and max brightness while web surfing and watching HD videos. I also like the glass on the spectrum more than the nexus, it was much smoother on the spectrum. If there turns out to be a good community on XDA for the spectrum, I would get it over the nexus. However, given that I don't know if that will be the case, my choice is much harder. I think the UI is a little buggy on the spectrum and LG has had some issues with timely updates. The nexus already has a huge community here with custom tweaks and roms, and ICS is obviously better than gingerbread.
I am hoping some in depth reviews pop-up over the weekend for the spectrum.
EDIT: Also did some speed tests, Spectrum had an upload speed of around 11 Mbps whereas the Nexus barley got 6 Mbps. Download was inconsistent, Nexus got around 11 Mbps to 13 Mbps, Spectrum got 12 Mpbs to 17 Mbps. Online results are better for the Nexus, wonder if it is just the area I am in

Upgrade Suggestions

Although my nexus is only about 2 years old, in this day and age, it feels like it's getting outdated and old. I'm starting to get an itch to upgrade my GNex phone and wouldn't mind a few suggestions. My GNex is the first smartphone that I really started to use it as a information consumption device to browse the web, read articles and play games on. As such I've found I do spend a lot of time on it. The things that bother me most are as follows:
1. Poor battery life - even with the 2000mah samsung battery, this hardly gets me through a day without plugging it in somewhere (I don't like carrying extra batteries or a portable battery)
2. Speakers - hardly audible loudspeaker to watch any videos or youtube
3. Screen brightness - I'd say this is acceptable but not as good as it could be
4. Touchscreen responsiveness - not really jittery or lag as that was fixed with jelly bean, but the touchscreen does lag compared to an iphone. I'm not sure if that's just and android or a hardware issue
Things I do like about my Nexus
1. Stock android - for quick updates and no bloatware
2. Formfactor - I think the size is about right, I can do with a bit larger screen like the S4 but not as big as a samsung galaxy note. I want to still be able to put the phone in my back pocket.
Things that I don't really care for
1. Removable battery - I don't see myself ever taking another battery with me
2. Removable microSD card - My 16gb is fine, I never store large videos or files in my phone
3. Camera - Decent pictures are fine, I don't use the camera for anything other than posting or record photos...
4. Super high end build quality - Metal back, glass, anodized aluminum... it's nice but not necessary and doesn't really sway in my decisions
So for those of you who have used other phones, are you able to give some advice in comparison relative to the GNex. I was thinking of the samsung galaxy s4, but wasn't so sure how the battery life compares given it has a faster processor and bigger screen as well as how different the touchwiz is. The LG G2 looks promising too with the 3000mah battery, but I'm hearing mixed reviews with the software and weird button layout.
Any other suggestions on phones... I haven't looked at any of the sony line up or the HTC. If anyone has any first hand experience it would be great, especially from a GNex user.

I would hold out for the N5. I'm unfortunately on Verizon, and as of 2 weeks ago, not a single phone looks appealing to me. I wish my contract was up soon so I could get an N4 on T-MO for the time being. The HTC One is a very good phone also from what I've seen.

I might get chewed up with this comment but....
I too have been itching for an upgrade and I share similar grievances , however I've more or less made up my mind.
Likely candidate: iPhone 5S
I'm ready to jump onto the bandwagon. I've had android phones for as long as I can remember so it's definitely not bias. My reasons for choosing an iPhone over another android device are simple. I absolutely hate the build quality on most of the newer flagship android headsets...traditional plastic. Ever since the iPhone 4, apple has been paying a little more attention to build quality. Since I'm paying ~$700 on a headset anyways, I'll go for an arguably better build quality.
I don't care much for the fingerprint sensor but the new camera features are pretty nice such as 120fps @ 720p stopped down to 24 in post makes for a nice slow motion effect. I used to own a Canon 5D Mark III but had to depart from it for financial reasons and I really enjoyed photography while I owned it. I'd love to pursue that hobby again with the iPhones larger aperture and stabilization. Granted the image quality will be much more inferior to a professional DSLR, I'm sure I can get a good kick out of the improved camera.
Then, I own an iPad and I gotta say I fell in love with iOS 7's new UI design. Many critics call it confusing and childish but I think it's a right step away from leather and brushed steel textures as well as bubbly icons. As I've owned android headsets for a long time, iOS just seems like a welcomed change.
Lastly, I built my own Hackintosh last year after selling my MBP in pursuit of more processing power without the sacrifice of a limb for an apple workstation. As I run OSX on this PC, and having an iPad, my phone stands out as the odd one out. I'd like to reduce fragmentation amongst my devices.
I could care less for a 5" screen that android devices are pumping out, I don't care for the future hexa and octa core phones, and in all honestly...I'm done dealing with roots, custom ROMs and radios. No body forced me to do it sure, that's a valid point but being a college student, flashing is an addiction I can no longer fulfill. I just need something that works.

If you want to be shackled to the itunes then go for an iPhone 5S otherwise get the cheapest, value for money device the N5, which has an equivalent performance of the A7 plus the Nexus gives you a straight 2 updates insurance/ or whatever you may call, with the best dev community !
I'd be getting myself an N5, skipped the N4 for it !

iPhone 5s or N5, all the rest are inferior now, the N5 will have similar benchmarks to iPhone 5s , quad core, octocore means nothing if its not optimized an android chews the CPU an ram way more than iOS that's why apple doesn't need it, like you said roms an all that are pointless unless you have older device that Google has dropped from official updates, nothing beats latest official stock updates.
I still choose the N5 over the iPhone 5s though with its 13mp camera ect.

Ashtrix said:
If you want to be shackled to the itunes then go for an iPhone 5S otherwise get the cheapest, value for money device the N5, which has an equivalent performance of the A7 plus the Nexus gives you a straight 2 updates insurance/ or whatever you may call, with the best dev community !
I'd be getting myself an N5, skipped the N4 for it !
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Being "shackled" to iTunes is not exactly a life sentence. I don't see many drawbacks/differences than with android. Then, perhaps because I've been spoiled by the Nexus, but the 2 "guaranteed" updates me a nothing to me now...I don't get on-board with the hype trains that haunt said updates.
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iPhone 5s or N5, all the rest are inferior now, the N5 will have similar benchmarks to iPhone 5s , quad core, octocore means nothing if its not optimized an android chews the CPU an ram way more than iOS that's why apple doesn't need it, like you said roms an all that are pointless unless you have older device that Google has dropped from official updates, nothing beats latest official stock updates.
I still choose the N5 over the iPhone 5s though with its 13mp camera ect.
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Agreed with pretty much everything except the camera. Having more megapixels can be nice for cropping but the quality does not increase. Chances are you won't be sharing 13MP photos either. What matters most is the the sensor size, and at this time and age pretty much all mobile sensors are identical specially in low light sensitivity. Aperture is another important aspect when it comes to photography, and there really isn't much you can do with a mobile lens to actually call it a "revolutionary" improvement.

I'm waiting for the N5. It shouldn't be much longer. 2 months MAX.
I'd love to get the Note 3 but the N5 price will be hard to beat since I am on a prepaid plan.

N5 Man
I have to agree with most people so far and say to wait until the N5 will be released. There will be a ton of original dev on that device for sure.

Go with your heart.
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If I were on Verizon right now I would go with the LG G2 or the Droid Maxx. But I would wait for the Nexus 5 and see what that brings.

I'm willing to buy one...

Hey guys,
soon I will get a new phone from my contract and did very intense researches which one to get.
I'm still struggeling to make a choice because I read so many different things.
My choices with Pros and Cons from what I heared/read:
1. HTC 10 (my favourite for now):
+ Brilliant display
+ Very good build quality
+ Nice look & feel
+ Software! very pure, what I really like!
- SOT (I read things from like 3 to 6 hours) Seems to vary drastically (I know it depends on usage, but ppl with very similar usage report complete different SOTs)
- HTC. I really like the company but I'm afraid that they don't provide updates for a longer time because of the number of phones they produced
- Screen brightness? (many ppl say it's way too low)
2. Samsung Galaxy S7 edge
+ Look & feel
+ SOT
And here we have my biggest struggle: The display. Many People like AMOLED but I'm worried that if I for example do a holiday trip where I use the display for about 8hours with a navigation software, I will get burn in. whats your experience with burn ins?
Hope you can help me thx!

zantekk said:
Hey guys,
soon I will get a new phone from my contract and did very intense researches which one to get.
I'm still struggeling to make a choice because I read so many different things.
My choices with Pros and Cons from what I heared/read:
1. HTC 10 (my favourite for now):
+ Brilliant display
+ Very good build quality
+ Nice look & feel
+ Software! very pure, what I really like!
- SOT (I read things from like 3 to 6 hours) Seems to vary drastically (I know it depends on usage, but ppl with very similar usage report complete different SOTs)
- HTC. I really like the company but I'm afraid that they don't provide updates for a longer time because of the number of phones they produced
- Screen brightness? (many ppl say it's way too low)
2. Samsung Galaxy S7 edge
+ Look & feel
+ SOT
And here we have my biggest struggle: The display. Many People like AMOLED but I'm worried that if I for example do a holiday trip where I use the display for about 8hours with a navigation software, I will get burn in. whats your experience with burn ins?
Hope you can help me thx!
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First, it's hard to say if you will get a 10 with great SoT. I average 6-7 hours with moderate-to-heavy usage every day. The main problem that some people are having is that WiFi is draining their batteries while in sleep mode. Users on here seem to be close with a fix towards that issue. Hopefully HTC will patch it with a software update, as well. Many others, like myself, haven't had that problem at all.
HTC has been doing well so far with providing updates on the 10. Personally, I wouldn't worry about that at all. Especially when comparing it to a Samsung device. Android N has already been announced for the 10, as well as the M9 and A9.
I'm not having any display problems at all, even under bright sunlight. HTC is using two different display panels (Sharp and Tianma). I believe some people are having issues with the Sharp display, but I mostly see users having the Tianma display without any issues.
Not sure if you're interested in an unlocked bootloader (which doesn't void your warranty), rooting or going s-off though. All are very easy to achieve on the 10. But that's a big reason why I went with the 10, and the fact I've had so many HTC devices. I had an S6 Edge for a short time, and I really didn't like it. Just my personal opinion.
The 10 is the best all around phone I've ever used. The camera is much improved, but probably a bit lower quality than an S7 or G5. It's very fast, the audio is amazing (especially with headphones; if you live in Europe, you'll get a very decent pair of earbuds for free) and everything has worked very well on my end. But the fact that the bootloader can be unlocked without voiding the warranty is a big deal to me.

zantekk said:
Hey guys,
soon I will get a new phone from my contract and did very intense researches which one to get.
I'm still struggeling to make a choice because I read so many different things.
My choices with Pros and Cons from what I heared/read:
1. HTC 10 (my favourite for now):
+ Brilliant display
+ Very good build quality
+ Nice look & feel
+ Software! very pure, what I really like!
- SOT (I read things from like 3 to 6 hours) Seems to vary drastically (I know it depends on usage, but ppl with very similar usage report complete different SOTs)
- HTC. I really like the company but I'm afraid that they don't provide updates for a longer time because of the number of phones they produced
- Screen brightness? (many ppl say it's way too low)
2. Samsung Galaxy S7 edge
+ Look & feel
+ SOT
And here we have my biggest struggle: The display. Many People like AMOLED but I'm worried that if I for example do a holiday trip where I use the display for about 8hours with a navigation software, I will get burn in. whats your experience with burn ins?
Hope you can help me thx!
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Not sure what you mean about the updates.
HTC has been very clear since the M8. They would support each device for 2yrs and would issue the new Android within 90 days of Google releasing it.
My M8 got 5.0 in Jan 2015 from a Sept 2014 Google release. (Slightly over the 90 days)
My M9 got 6.0 in Dec 2015 from a Sept 2015 Google release.
Chances are that the M10 would also get it fairly quickly.
Note that my devices are Unlocked Developer Editions. The Carrier versions are always late. Both my M8 and M9 were AT&T branded that I converted to the Dev Ed.
I like the fact that HTC allows you to unlock the bootloader for rooting. I read a post recently where they said someone just achieved root for the Samsung S7... I just laughed...
Now as for the Display, I personally prefer AMOLED simply because the backlight is lower at night so it makes the screen easier to view in the dark. I've gotten around this by using Lux Lite.
I used to be a Samsung fan boy until I got the M8... The one way I'm going back is if Samsung adopted HTC's method of selling unlocked devices, allowing the bootloader to be unlocked, giving a 2yr/90day guarantee for updates and slimming down TouchWiz.
The waterproof from the S7 didn't appeal to me because of the HTC Uh-Oh warranty.
Those are my thoughts on it and why I went with the 10 over the S7.
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anandlal said:
Not sure what you mean about the updates.
HTC has been very clear since the M8. They would support each device for 2yrs and would issue the new Android within 90 days of Google releasing it.
My M8 got 5.0 in Jan 2015 from a Sept 2014 Google release. (Slightly over the 90 days)
My M9 got 6.0 in Dec 2015 from a Sept 2015 Google release.
Chances are that the M10 would also get it fairly quickly.
Note that my devices are Unlocked Developer Editions. The Carrier versions are always late. Both my M8 and M9 were AT&T branded that I converted to the Dev Ed.
I like the fact that HTC allows you to unlock the bootloader for rooting. I read a post recently where they said someone just achieved root for the Samsung S7... I just laughed...
Now as for the Display, I personally prefer AMOLED simply because the backlight is lower at night so it makes the screen easier to view in the dark. I've gotten around this by using Lux Lite.
I used to be a Samsung fan boy until I got the M8... The one way I'm going back is if Samsung adopted HTC's method of selling unlocked devices, allowing the bootloader to be unlocked, giving a 2yr/90day guarantee for updates and slimming down TouchWiz.
The waterproof from the S7 didn't appeal to me because of the HTC Uh-Oh warranty.
Those are my thoughts on it and why I went with the 10 over the S7.
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This is true one of the only phones you can get beside an iPhone that you can convert to factory unlocked
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htc 10...

I believe the Uh Oh protection is only for US users, though. I think the OP is in Europe. But he/she will receive the "hi-res" ear buds for free, unlike US users.
Regardless, they're both great phones in different aspects. Very good build quality on both, but I prefer the aluminum on the HTC.
If you want to have an unlocked bootloader (again without losing your warranty) and quick, easy root and s-off, it's HTC. Same with Sense vs TouchWiz, in my opinion, if you're going to run a stock launcher.
Audio goes to HTC, while the camera goes to the S7. But the 10's camera is much improved compared to the M8 and M9. You will likely see the same performance and battery life between the two.
Regarding updates, it depends if you buy the unlocked version or obtain the phone from a carrier. Carrier updates will roll out slower, which is the case for every Android phone on a carrier. But you will be receiving Android N and most likely the next version after it.
As I mentioned earlier, the screen on my 10 has been great under all conditions. Updates have come through quick (for improvements, security updates, etc). And hopefully Android N comes to the 10 pretty quickly after Google releases it. I wouldn't expect Samsung to be any faster in the updates department.

AMOLED burn in is still a major concern for me despite what everyone seems to argue. I had significant burn in on my s4 where the status bar was, and my friends have shown me significant burn in on the s5 and s6. Maybe I'm just pickier and notice it more than most, but I still prefer LCD for that reason. I can't speak for normal use with the s7/edge, but I've yet to see an s7/edge display model in a store that DIDN'T have burn-in to some degree.
*edit: in reference to screen on time, I get about 6 hours (almost entirely web browsing), which I'm very, very pleased with. My difference in SOT is dependent on signal strength. At work, where I'm basically in a concrete box with terrible Wi-Fi, SOT drops to about 4 hours, but everywhere else, I average 6 to 6.5. I don't experience any Wi-Fi drain. I lose about 2%/8 hours overnight. Overall, I get ~2.5 times SOT I was getting with my galaxy s4 or LG g4.

Would you recommend buying this phone in 2016?

I'm looking for a new phone on a budget and I was wondering if you guys still recommend this phone.
I'm coming from a HTC One m7 and I'm looking for the sound. I'm enjoying the earphone DAC of my old m7 and I'm an audiophille.
But some drawbacks make me think about an iphone 6 or even an s6. Mainly, the camera. Is it really that bad? I was searching on flickr for shots and they don't look as bad as the reviews say it it. And also, it will continue development. I mean, with android 7.0 just released, it will get it officially, or even a bug-less cm build? Any good mods or anything at all that can attract me to buy this device? Leave your opinion here and thanks for helping my buying choice.

blurhns said:
I'm looking for a new phone on a budget and I was wondering if you guys still recommend this phone.
I'm coming from a HTC One m7 and I'm looking for the sound. I'm enjoying the earphone DAC of my old m7 and I'm an audiophille.
But some drawbacks make me think about an iphone 6 or even an s6. Mainly, the camera. Is it really that bad? I was searching on flickr for shots and they don't look as bad as the reviews say it it. And also, it will continue development. I mean, with android 7.0 just released, it will get it officially, or even a bug-less cm build? Any good mods or anything at all that can attract me to buy this device? Leave your opinion here and thanks for helping my buying choice.
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Short answer? Not a chance - purely from a development standpoint, the HTC M9 has been a staggering disappointment. We have some great folks working on AOSP-based and stock-based ROMs, but there simply isn't the breadth of development that exists for previous HTC One models. I'm not optimistic about the M10 either.
That said, the M9 is getting Android 7 (Nougat) from HTC, so we're not entirely behind the times with software updates, despite being slow (standard practice for non-Nexus devices). It is even possible that development of ROMs will continue to grow. Still, I would recommend waiting for the next Nexus phones (rumored to be released in October) and see how they compare to the current options on the market.
(As for the camera - I've never had any complaints, but I'm a pretty basic user on that front)

blurhns said:
I'm looking for a new phone on a budget and I was wondering if you guys still recommend this phone.
I'm coming from a HTC One m7 and I'm looking for the sound. I'm enjoying the earphone DAC of my old m7 and I'm an audiophille.
But some drawbacks make me think about an iphone 6 or even an s6. Mainly, the camera. Is it really that bad? I was searching on flickr for shots and they don't look as bad as the reviews say it it. And also, it will continue development. I mean, with android 7.0 just released, it will get it officially, or even a bug-less cm build? Any good mods or anything at all that can attract me to buy this device? Leave your opinion here and thanks for helping my buying choice.
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I don't really recommend this phone either. If you're looking for a budget phone... definitely go with the Nexus 5X/6P or One Plus 3 or any sub-$400 phone and put a skin over it (i.e. dBrand/Slickwraps). The sapphire screen on the back camera of my HTC One M9 has already cracked under not a whole lot of pressure applied to it some time ago and it would be silly of me to send it back to HTC to get it fixed as it'll crack again probably soon after. Camera is at best, 'meh' when it's in auto; I have the tendency to always grab photos in manual mode since I can make the photo more beautifiul. When this phone is in my hand with my pinky at the bottom holding it straight, my pinky starts to hurt because of its weight. Battery has been pretty good as I don't have a ton of apps running in the background only the ones I use daily (i.e. Snapchat, Hangouts, Maps, Messenger, etc.) but for other hardcore people who load apps onto their phone like mad... this would drain your battery pretty quick. Also YouTube videos drain the battery pretty quick from my experience LOL. If you have any questions about it, I'll try my best to give you an unbiased opinion. I still don't feel like I need to switch phones after having bought this phone on release day but quite honestly, I don't see how I could recommend anyone getting the M9 in 2016 even if it has gotten cheaper.

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Short answer? Not a chance - purely from a development standpoint, the HTC M9 has been a staggering disappointment. We have some great folks working on AOSP-based and stock-based ROMs, but there simply isn't the breadth of development that exists for previous HTC One models. I'm not optimistic about the M10 either.
That said, the M9 is getting Android 7 (Nougat) from HTC, so we're not entirely behind the times with software updates, despite being slow (standard practice for non-Nexus devices). It is even possible that development of ROMs will continue to grow. Still, I would recommend waiting for the next Nexus phones (rumored to be released in October) and see how they compare to the current options on the market.
(As for the camera - I've never had any complaints, but I'm a pretty basic user on that front)
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Thanks a lot for your reply. I can see why you can't recommend it, but I can't wait since I don't have a phone anymore. I was thinking about the Nexus 5x since i'm on a low budget but i heard it's not stereo speakers and the audio jack quality is pretty pour. i think i'll go with the iphone 6/se in the end.
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I don't really recommend this phone either. If you're looking for a budget phone... definitely go with the Nexus 5X/6P or One Plus 3 or any sub-$400 phone and put a skin over it (i.e. dBrand/Slickwraps). The sapphire screen on the back camera of my HTC One M9 has already cracked under not a whole lot of pressure applied to it some time ago and it would be silly of me to send it back to HTC to get it fixed as it'll crack again probably soon after. Camera is at best, 'meh' when it's in auto; I have the tendency to always grab photos in manual mode since I can make the photo more beautifiul. When this phone is in my hand with my pinky at the bottom holding it straight, my pinky starts to hurt because of its weight. Battery has been pretty good as I don't have a ton of apps running in the background only the ones I use daily (i.e. Snapchat, Hangouts, Maps, Messenger, etc.) but for other hardcore people who load apps onto their phone like mad... this would drain your battery pretty quick. Also YouTube videos drain the battery pretty quick from my experience LOL. If you have any questions about it, I'll try my best to give you an unbiased opinion. I still don't feel like I need to switch phones after having bought this phone on release day but quite honestly, I don't see how I could recommend anyone getting the M9 in 2016 even if it has gotten cheaper.
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I can relate to the weight issue. I hated to hold my m7 for more than 5 mins. Can't even watch youtube in bed because my hands would start hurting. And about the battery, my m7 drained it's battery in 1+1/2h of sot. that's so poor. and i changed the battery twice. I enjoy HTC only for the acoustics, but as I said earlier, i think i'm going with the 6/se for it's dac performance and mostly "just works" theory. I'm kind of sick of android and it's optimization.

blurhns said:
Thanks a lot for your reply. I can see why you can't recommend it, but I can't wait since I don't have a phone anymore. I was thinking about the Nexus 5x since i'm on a low budget but i heard it's not stereo speakers and the audio jack quality is pretty pour. i think i'll go with the iphone 6/se in the end.
I can relate to the weight issue. I hated to hold my m7 for more than 5 mins. Can't even watch youtube in bed because my hands would start hurting. And about the battery, my m7 drained it's battery in 1+1/2h of sot. that's so poor. and i changed the battery twice. I enjoy HTC only for the acoustics, but as I said earlier, i think i'm going with the 6/se for it's dac performance and mostly "just works" theory. I'm kind of sick of android and it's optimization.
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The iPhone 7 & the new 'nexus' phones are right around the corner; I suggest you wait a bit before then. I have used an iPhone 6 for several months prior to getting the M9 and to be honest the fingerprint sensor on it is REALLY unreliable when you have the slightest amount of water or dirt on your finger (and quite slow and worked maybe 75% of the time with a super clean thumb). The SE model uses the old fingerprint sensor found in the iPhone 6 so it'll be as equally as bad. My ex had the iPhone 6 for a while and the battery literally crapped out less than a year so be sure that if you're planning to buy a used iPhone 6 off of Craigslist or another similar website, that it is still in 'decent' condition. Your option for the 6 is either a 16GB iPhone (~10GB of space) or a 64GB (~59GB of space) so if you need more than 10GB, a 64GB iPhone in good condition will still set you back ~$600-650.
Only reason why I ended up coming back to android was because I felt iOS was really basic at best and I truly did miss the customizing aspect of android. I recommend just buying a used phone to use for a month or two off of Craigslist that's ~$100 and purchase the newer phones (iPhone 7 or Nexus) after they have been released.

A compromise might be purchasing a used smartphone to tide you over until the new wave of Nexus phones and iPhones come out. A bit of purgatory, but it might work in your favor.

Still worthing buying it?

I really like this phone but I want to know your opinions about if is a good buy after one year released, specially considering I want to keep it for around 1.5 years..
I'm specially concerned about battery life, good software and updates or community development, ...
Also I wanted to ask this questions about the phone:
- is there any way for recording in 1080p 60 fps?
- can you drop screen resolution to 1080 for battery savings?
-Ok google with screen off drains much battery? (Most useful feature, in my Nexus 5x doesn't drain battery due to sensor hub)
I really love the phone but I'm not sure it still worthing it considering new phones like p10 and that maybe is not so big upgrade from Nexus 5x

-battery life is average 4.5hours screen on time, same as my previous Nexus 5X while my current phone 3T is never under 6hours based on the same usage.
-developement based on what your want. For me I only want a good kernel that work best with stock rom giving best battery life and performance, getting rid of kernel wakelocks but the problem is that you can't find a good kernel here. Some kernel arm for performance only. Phone's getting heat quickly while some base on stock and add extra features which are gimmick anyway (many wakelocks are still there).
-the screen of HTC is pinky which is a deal breaker for me. Love it more on Nexus 5X
-camera can't beat Nexus 5x.
-WiFi is the worst thing. Go think again.
-The phone is hell stable. Never giving a single issue and smooth all day. If you want a phone that just works and premium feel.
This is just my opinion.

Definitely worth buying!
I'm not having heat issues, and battery is fine considering that you can do a full charge in 1.5 hours. Camera is comparable with all the other flagships and beats many of them in many areas. Wifi is ok, never had issues that would made me consider it as "the worst thing".
It's a nice phone, very robust, and it should easily last for 1.5 years. Development/support for the phone is great and you can easily root it (which is essential nowadays for ensuring that you get the best out of your phone).

Worth buying but I'd probably get the pixel, you could wait for the S8 (if that's your thing)
Personally I'd wait for the HTC 11, I'm guessing it'll be a beast.
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If you can get a good deal then it definitely worth it. i doubt they will make a better device. i plan to keep using mine the next 2 years and never sell it. i am in love
To be fair the issues i am facing are,
Battery life can't get more than 4 hours SOT on very high usage.
very high battery drain when i go out, LTE Enabled + max brightness with normal usage.
carbon grey color scratch easily.

keaheng said:
-battery life is average 4.5hours screen on time, same as my previous Nexus 5X while my current phone 3T is never under 6hours based on the same usage.
-developement based on what your want. For me I only want a good kernel that work best with stock rom giving best battery life and performance, getting rid of kernel wakelocks but the problem is that you can't find a good kernel here. Some kernel arm for performance only. Phone's getting heat quickly while some base on stock and add extra features which are gimmick anyway (many wakelocks are still there).
-the screen of HTC is pinky which is a deal breaker for me. Love it more on Nexus 5X
-camera can't beat Nexus 5x.
-WiFi is the worst thing. Go think again.
-The phone is hell stable. Never giving a single issue and smooth all day. If you want a phone that just works and premium feel.
This is just my opinion.
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I don't have any of those problems. US unlocked. Good battery life. No "pink" screen. WiFi is superb. Running Viper10 3.5.0 with EX Kernel. Smooth and responsive. Does everything I want it to. I haven't seen any other phone I would upgrade to at this time. That's my $0.02 keep the change.

The phone is good and battery life exellent. Wifi could be better. But I miss security updates from HTC. No update since January.

I would suggest you to go for it, since prices are down, developer support is awesome lots of los+sense roms....perfromance is good (820 can be easily compared to 821), camera is decent enough my brother got s7 and we both click awesome pics....also with nougat voLTE is also there so worth buying it...

Thanks for responses. I think I will not be buying it just for the battery
In most of my phones (htc m7, nexus 5x...) battery died when going outside with LTE and high brighness
I like to enable features as google now, ok google everywhere...even google fit, that require too much battery

I recommend s7 edge...best battery ever...amoled screen...killer camera...good development

Javi22 said:
Thanks for responses. I think I will not be buying it just for the battery
In most of my phones (htc m7, nexus 5x...) battery died when going outside with LTE and high brighness
I like to enable features as google now, ok google everywhere...even google fit, that require too much battery
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I agree with not getting it however this phone can outperform all those phones you've mentioned and their successors whilst running more things and quicker by quite some way.
It truly is a beast of a device. If you did get the 10 you would not be disappointed, I'm running the pixel launcher with Google assistant, Google allo, amongst others battery life isn't massively different from the iPhone 7, S7 edge, all the new phones and I see the day out the day out quite easily, so it does perform.
I just assumed you'd like to be at the forefront of what's out there as I would want to be, for that reason I'd hold off getting the 10, but not because it isn't a capable device, or can't run against the best other phones out there, far from it mate.
EG: I've had a GameCube emulator running Zelda the Windwaker 90℅ of the first island at near 30fps all the way, which is no easy feat.
As I said before, if it were me at this moment, I'd say the pixel, or if I was smart I'd say the S8 (if you don't mind Sammy, has to be a good phone to make up for the notes blowing up)
Personally it has to be the HTC 11, or whatever they end up calling it.
[emoji6] but thats me.
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dladz said:
I agree with not getting it however this phone can outperform all those phones you've mentioned and their successors whilst running more things and quicker by quite some way.
It truly is a beast of a device. If you did get the 10 you would not be disappointed, I'm running the pixel launcher with Google assistant, Google allo, amongst others battery life isn't massively different from the iPhone 7, S7 edge, all the new phones and I see the day out the day out quite easily, so it does perform.
I just assumed you'd like to be at the forefront of what's out there as I would want to be, for that reason I'd hold off getting the 10, but not because it isn't a capable device, or can't run against the best other phones out there, far from it mate.
EG: I've had a GameCube emulator running Zelda the Windwaker 90℅ of the first island at near 30fps all the way, which is no easy feat.
As I said before, if it were me at this moment, I'd say the pixel, or if I was smart I'd say the S8 (if you don't mind Sammy, has to be a good phone to make up for the notes blowing up)
Personally it has to be the HTC 11, or whatever they end up calling it.
[emoji6] but thats me.
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Of course it's a capable device, just that I require a good battery life so I can use the phone as a smartphone, with everything enabled as I like, and it eats the battery so...
I don't like Samsung so I'll wait to see new htc however I don't think I get it because of the price. I will wait for a future one plus with smaller screen or a Huawei p10 when it drops its price
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I am debating about the same. I am still holding to my old M8 but the battery life is not so good and the top speaker is distorting the sound and I love my stereo front speakers. But I think I will wait for confirmation on the expected HTC 11 and see if it´s much better.
Once thing I am worried about is that we still don't even have a leak or rumor about the 11. Could it be that no 11 is coming and it´s vaporware?
Cheers

If you like an all metal phone, then yes it is still worth buying it. If you'd like latest specs and a glas body then you'd better wait and get the HTC Ocean. I'm sure it will come, but HTC currently is good at keeping it's secrets, as it seems.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
If you like an all metal phone, then yes it is still worth buying it. If you'd like latest specs and a glas body then you'd better wait and get the HTC Ocean. I'm sure it will come, but HTC currently is good at keeping it's secrets, as it seems.
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So you believe that the Ultra was an indication that the all metal chassis phone trend from HTC has ended for good?!

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So you believe that the Ultra was an indication that the all metal chassis phone trend from HTC has ended for good?!
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Yes I'd guess so.
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I just bought a "mint" Verizon HTC 10 for only $395 from Swappa with S-OFF($25 already saved). Here is my list of factors when purchasing a phone:
I live in a Verizon only reliable area.
I will only use this type of phone: Rootable (with good development behind it), SDcard slot, headphone jack, USB-C
My backup LineageOS S5 is on it's last leg physically, really needed a new phone.
Prefer one handed phones.
Prefer OEM's that encourage unlocked bootloaders and rooting (HTC, LG, and OnePlus seem to be it)
Strongly prefer front facing stereo speakers.
Prefer IP68
Prefer OIS, with large megapixels (for low light)
Dislike glass phones (don't need wireless charging tradeoff for crackable back panels).
Dislike camera bumps
From that list, the Verizon HTC 10 EMEI activates easily on Verizon, is rooted, has SDcard slot, headphone jack, USB-C, 5.2 display (one handed), metal body, and OIS with large megapixelas, and is from a OEM that encourages the phone OS freedom.
The 3 things the HTC 10 fails to check for me are:
No IP68, but at least it's IP53.
No front facing stereo speakers, but at least it has 1 front facing tweeter with a sideways woofer to make BoomSound...better than most other phones on the market.
No camera bump, but I put cases on my phones anyways.

Got to ask you guys I'm undecided between the Huawei P10 or the HTC 10.. I've only had HTC's since back in the days of when they made the XDA's for O2 with Windows mobile.
Which phone would you choose.. so far the only thing I really like about the P10 is that it has 128GB of Memory and well the 6GB of Ram doesn't hurt either.

Finally I bought Xiaomi mi5s. But it happens that aosp/lineageos roms are great but camera quality and battery are much worse
And I refuse to use miui
So I'm thinking again about htc 10. My question is about roms. Since htc won't update software anymore, I would like to know if developers do the job...
I mean, are dev roms as good as stock roms? (I see it has offical support for great roms like Resurrection remix or Mokee
That would be the point for buying it or not

It also has official support for Lineage OS and they've announced it will get a stock android O update (which will probably come around January if history repeats itself). The developers are keeping up with security releases, so if that's your biggest concern then get a non-stock based rom and run with it. I'm pretty happy with the phone. The one downside to running non-stock based roms (AOSP or LOS based) is that you'll lose HDR on the camera.
For the record, I picked mine up last month. It's a Sprint model that I unlocked the sim and LTE bands on and am running it on T-Mobile.