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So, title self explain. I have G3 and want to ask to someone who made the upgrade from G3 to G4. Is the battery about the same as G3 or is better?
i had G3 and recently i bought G4 not much difference but lets say the G4 win with alittle bit but from my opinion i didnt see abig difference
advice :Stay away from G4--- this device has too many hardware issues
rafaelw said:
So, title self explain. I have G3 and want to ask to someone who made the upgrade from G3 to G4. Is the battery about the same as G3 or is better?
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Tell us how much sot/run time you get from the G3 ?
and which variant is it ? 2GB or 3GB RAM.
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dork997 said:
advice :Stay away from G4--- this device has too many hardware issues
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Advice based on WHAT ?
your experience of the G4 for a grand total of 2 days
One Twelve said:
Advice based on WHAT ?
your experience of the G4 for a grand total of 2 days
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Don't feed the troll :good:
i was planning to buy the G4, so i looked at some reviews. GSMArena said that the battery life on the G4 is a downgrade from the G3.
The Endurance rating worked out to 54 hours, 9 hours less than the G3. The issue was with the high standby power draw, which puts a strain on the battery even when you're not using the phone. The other disappointment was the talk time, which couldn't reach 17 hours - an 8 hour drop from the G3.
We reran the tests several times and kept getting the same results.
Anyway, the web browsing time was pretty good - nothing spectacular, but good. It also marks the only improvement since the G3 as the video playback is below average for the flagship class.
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imeem said:
i was planning to buy the G4, so i looked at some reviews. GSMArena said that the battery life on the G4 is a downgrade from the G3.
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Watch this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMFjo9qWAng
That is a 'real life' review. Not some synthetic test.
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Watch this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMFjo9qWAng
That is a 'real life' review. Not some synthetic test.
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ok. where does it make a direct comparison to the G3. the video is kind of hard to follow. Unless he has both phones in the same video and do a same battery test, you can't really compare the g4 to g3 with this video. the OP just has to decide which source he deems more reliable.
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ok. where does it make a direct comparison to the G3. the video is kind of hard to follow. Unless he has both phones in the same video and do a same battery test, you can't really compare the g4 to g3 with this video. the OP just has to decide which source he deems more reliable.
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yes because this is a difficult subject so keep a note when he talks of the sot's under different conditions.
Had to watch it a couple of times but i got it in the end. See the comments too.
What is your expectation of sot/runtime ? How much do you get with your curent device ? what is your current device.
There is no difference between G3 and G4 for battery life max i can get 4 and half hours for battery life and minimum only almost 3 hours SOT. Maybe if next LG device is like this battery life i need to change to another brand
Yeah my experience in two days....Touchscreen issues untill i updated to V10C which fixes the touchscreen issue but decreases battery life to the extent where u can literally notice it drop before your eyes. The power saving used to work fine before v10c now even tho i turn it on immediately it wont kick in untill battery reaches 15% ( u will know when its on because the statusbar will change its color to red)...... And yes the back buttons are loose and feel wobbly. There is a pink shade in my front camera when there is sunlight in the background....ummm what else......i am damn sure even the cheap chinese phones coming out will be better than this piece of junk. I shud never have bought it
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Yeah my experience in two days....
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How long have you had the G4 ?
Touchscreen issues untill i updated to V10C which fixes the touchscreen issue but decreases battery life to the extent where u can literally notice it drop before your eyes. The power saving used to work fine before v10c now even tho i turn it on immediately it wont kick in untill battery reaches 15% ( u will know when its on because the statusbar will change its color to red)......
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Really ? how many people are affected ? just one i saw in this thread. So the update did not cause battery problems. v10c is for euro h815.
How much sot & runtime did you get before the update ?
How much sot & runtime did you get after the update ?
figures.
And yes the back buttons are loose and feel wobbly.
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Go to the service centre and replace them.
There is a pink shade in my front camera when there is sunlight in the background....
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ummm what else......i am damn sure even the cheap chinese phones coming out will be better than this piece of junk. I shud never have bought it
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lol, i can find this kind of comment for any phone on this board
many times its because people are interested in some other phone that came out after.
Dont expect anything crash hot from the battery performance. It is nothing like what i expected. If you want good battery life go with samsung s6 or even better the sony xperia phones. Xperia has best battery life. So G4 wont do you any good with battery life
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Dont expect anything crash hot from the battery performance. It is nothing like what i expected.
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heh we're still trying to get you to tell us what your issue is. Any wants to follow the fun discussion see here.
If you want good battery life go with samsung s6 or even better the sony xperia phones. Xperia has best battery life.
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Those phones have other issues. So you trade one set of pros for another set of cons
There is no perfect device. You learn to manage what you got.
So G4 wont do you any good with battery life
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3h sot, lots of complaining, 4h+Sot less complaining or it goes silent. Seen this a few times now. That is what surprised me. Until you realise that people find 8h run time too short but once it gets into 12-14h+ its ok. Its the standby time that is more important.
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Pfeffernuss said:
Don't feed the troll :good:
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The motives are interesting. want to know what dork is upto, he just smashed his phone :silly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/help-urgent-t3224403
a firmware downgrade gone wrong and no service centre available.
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What is your expectation of sot/runtime ? How much do you get with your curent device ? what is your current device.
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I currently have the nexus 4 and i think the most screen on-time i can get before my phone dies is 3 hours, but usually it's in the low to mid 2 hour range before i have to run to the charger. But the phone never last more than like 12 hour of usage (or a 8 hour workshift+ work traffic) as i constantly surf the web, music, and always checking my phone.
I want something like xperia z3 compact or note 4 battery life, but those phones have some things i don't really like. With the G4, i do plan on buying those high capacity battery (like mugen, hyperion, etc..) if the phone does fall below my expectation.
imeem said:
I currently have the nexus 4 and i think the most screen on-time i can get before my phone dies is 3 hours, but usually it's in the low to mid 2 hour range. But the phone never last more than like 12 hour of usage (or a 8 hour workshift+ work traffic) as i constantly surf the web, music, and always checking my phone.
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Mostly wifi ? or is there also same amount of data ? how strong or not that cell data signal is and for how long you are on it will take a toll with any phone.
I want something like xperia z3 compact or note 4 battery life, but those phones have some things i don't really like. With the G4, i do plan on buying those high capacity battery (like mugen, hyperion, etc..) if the phone does fall below my expectation.
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How bright do you like your screen. if you can manage with less brightness ie 30-50% you can add an hour of sot.
for reference, 3-4h SOT on data and 4-5h sot on wifi only with 65-70 brightness. mixed use means somewhere in between, 4h sot. high brightness means low to mid 3h, less brightness 4-5h.
sot/run times you can expect 3h /9h, 4h/12h, 5h/14+h is normal with stock.
Are these figures you can live with ? xperias & note 4 will give you an extra hour sot on top. that extra hour means 2-4h longer run time.
you dont need to carry those bulky batteries unless your phone absolutely needs to be on, just swap the battery out in a couple of minutes.. Not hot swap, have to power down.
How important is bootloader unlock and roms for you ? some people are forced to stick with original and forego firmware updates to preserve bootloader unlock. this means if any improvements are made in subsequent updates they can't use them and are stuck with whatever bugs are there in the older firmware. Stuck with bugs and waiting for roms can be frustrating.
For some one used to nexus 4 being able to flash anything and everything, G4 might seem a bit boring for you, Nexus 5x ? you dont care for replaceable battery or sd card. just get the biggest onboard memory possible
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Mostly wifi ? or is there also same amount of data ? how strong or not that cell data signal is and for how long you are on it will take a toll with any phone.
How bright do you like your screen. if you can manage with less brightness ie 30-50% you can add an hour of sot.
for reference, 3-4h SOT on data and 4-5h sot on wifi only with 65-70 brightness. mixed use means somewhere in between, 4h sot. high brightness means low to mid 3h, less brightness 4-5h.
sot/run times you can expect 3h /9h, 4h/12h, 5h/14+h is normal with stock.
Are these figures you can live with ? xperias & note 4 will give you an extra hour sot on top.
you dont need to carry those bulky batteries unless your phone absolutely needs to be on, just swap the battery out in a couple of minutes.. Not hot swap, have to power down.
How important is bootloader unlock and roms for you ? some people are forced to stick with original and forego firmware updates to preserve bootloader unlock. this means if any improvements are made in subsequent updates they can't use them and are stuck with whatever bugs are there in the older firmware. Stuck with bugs and waiting for roms can be frustrating.
For some one used to nexus 4 being able to flash anything and everything, G4 might seem a bit boring for you, Nexus 5x ? you dont care for replaceable battery or sd card. just get the biggest onboard memory possible
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Yep all wifi, don't have a data plan . wifi signal varies to maximum signal to no signal at all lol. But i do turn on airplane mode when i'm on the train for example. My brightness is set to adaptive brightnes on @ 50%ish
I'm actually avoiding the nexus line in the future lol since i really want sd card slot and removable battery (and good/excellent battery life), usb OTG (particularly usb audio out), and a device that can officially unlock bootloader like the g4 H815. and to be honest, stock android ui is sometimes boring and it never has features u see on like xperia, htc, or samsung devices. And I can just do all my flashing needs on my Nexus 4 when the habit kicks in lol. Overall, on my next phone, i just want options and upgrade/replacement possibility
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Yep all wifi, don't have a data plan . wifi signal varies to maximum signal to no signal at all lol. But i do turn on airplane mode when i'm on the train for example. My brightness is set to adaptive brightnes on @ 50%ish
I'm actually avoiding the nexus line in the future lol since i really want sd card slot and removable battery (and good/excellent battery life), usb OTG (particularly usb audio out), and a device that can officially unlock bootloader like the g4 H815. and to be honest, stock android ui is sometimes boring and it never has features u see on like xperia, htc, or samsung devices. And I can just do all my flashing needs on my Nexus 4 when the habit kicks in lol. Overall, on my next phone, i just want options and upgrade/replacement possibility
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Then you can expect a 4-5h sot/12-14h run time with normal use. Good enough ?
web browsing won't eat up much battery, its push notifications and constant syncs over weak signal that do it faster.
IMO the g3 was garbage...i had 2 that had emmc failures and all 3 i had overheating issues...battery sucked...only pro was there was a good bit of development...i love my g4...only device i miss over my g4 is my g2...battery life is great with minimal tweaks and greenify...my last run was 5 h 2m sot and 47.5 standby...h81110n
First, sorry for my bad English.
Everyone using ZF2 knows about what I'm talking about here: if you look at the battery graph in the settings, Android OS is probably responsible for most of the battery usage. :silly:
At first I was horrified about that, but then I realized something was off, something that I notice everyone is ignoring: Android OS drain is too high. I mean for me it's always 5 to 8 times higher than the second that is the Screen. The reality is that I can still have 4 to 4.30 hours of screen-on time, 3% drain for 7 hours of stand-by at night. So just think about it logically, what if we can make the Android OS work "normally", which is that Screen will be on top of the list and Android OS somewhere below, then how long my screen on time will be? You know what I mean? We are getting rid of a drain that is 5 times higher than Screen on the list! Does it mean our Screen on time will now be 20 hours???
So, I came to a conclusion that this issue may be in fact an error in the data. Maybe nothing was wrong but the Zenfone 2 team messed up the calculation for the battery usage and ended up showing a ridiculous result. what do you think about this?
3% overnight ? my phone get 1% ^^
srr my bad english
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3% overnight ? my phone get 1% ^^
srr my bad english
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wow that's crazy, how is that possible for you do you think? :angel:
I'm using stock, disable most of the bloatwares but I'm keeping all Asus important ones such as power saver (I always set it normal however), start manager (disable all except OTTs and sms ... you know why).
Does that mean I'm partly right? If Android OS truely eats up so much battery power, how can we achieve such low drain during stand-by time? It's not logical :silly:
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wow that's crazy, how is that possible for you do you think? :angel:
I'm using stock, disable most of the bloatwares but I'm keeping all Asus important ones such as power saver (I always set it normal however), start manager (disable all except OTTs and sms ... you know why).
Does that mean I'm partly right? If Android OS truely eats up so much battery power, how can we achieve such low drain during stand-by time? It's not logical :silly:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/development/script-zenui-debloater-v1-t3174541
i use Extreme v2 script.
i disable all app in auto-start manager
power-saver is normal mode.
i go to sleep 9pm ---> 6am. my phone just get 1% ^^
u can try this.
p/s: my phone ZE550ml. maybe your ZE551ml with 4GB ram , cpu 2.3GHz could eat battery life more than mine ^^
i really srr about my bad english
VinzNguyen said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/development/script-zenui-debloater-v1-t3174541
i use Extreme v2 script.
i disable all app in auto-start manager
power-saver is normal mode.
i go to sleep 9pm ---> 6am. my phone just get 1% ^^
u can try this.
p/s: my phone ZE550ml. maybe your ZE551ml with 4GB ram , cpu 2.3GHz could eat battery life more than mine ^^
i really srr about my bad english
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thanks for the link. However I don't want to root my phone, I just bought it a few weeks ago and I will keep it intact until I get Marshmallow, I used to be addicted to Rom Flashing and it nearly killed me haha. I can use the lists for reference, anyway.
Yes my phone is 551ML 4GB ram, probably that's why I have higher drain when stand-by. Because I have lots of experience with Rom modding I believe I'm not missing anything with my current settings.
Ps: your English is fine, don't worry :fingers-crossed: judging at your username I bet one penny that you're from the same country as me
how many times its been said..zenfone 2 stand by time is superb ...its when its use the drainage is fast..why fast because of incompatibility of zenfone 2 screen( cheap screen ?) and intels hardward... ...so no matter how you adjust it will never be a 2 days single charged phone. anyway ive had a nice experience with my zenfone 2 ..gave it to my brother and bought nexus 6...wanted to have 6 inch phone anyway....
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thanks for the link. However I don't want to root my phone, I just bought it a few weeks ago and I will keep it intact until I get Marshmallow, I used to be addicted to Rom Flashing and it nearly killed me haha. I can use the lists for reference, anyway.
Yes my phone is 551ML 4GB ram, probably that's why I have higher drain when stand-by. Because I have lots of experience with Rom modding I believe I'm not missing anything with my current settings.
Ps: your English is fine, don't worry :fingers-crossed: judging at your username I bet one penny that you're from the same country as me
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i think so. bạn ở đâu ?? mình hcm kakaka
The main responsable in battery drains is usually not Android OS, but Google Play Services that screws everything
This issue has already been discussed to death all over the place in different forums. There are many reasons why the battery life is not good on ZF2 some of which are what you pointed out. The main problem is with 5.0 itself, this was and is a known problem, no amount of "tweaking" is going to fix a problem with the OS itself. This is why many people wanted the 5.1 update to no avail from Asus. Did it fix all the problems? No, it did not but it did stop a lot of the battery drain.
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i think so. bạn ở đâu ?? mình hcm kakaka
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same here, HCM, haha we can have a cafe some day haha
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This issue has already been discussed to death all over the place in different forums. There are many reasons why the battery life is not good on ZF2 some of which are what you pointed out. The main problem is with 5.0 itself, this was and is a known problem, no amount of "tweaking" is going to fix a problem with the OS itself. This is why many people wanted the 5.1 update to no avail from Asus. Did it fix all the problems? No, it did not but it did stop a lot of the battery drain.
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I agree that 5.0 is not optimized and it's not the best, but people are talking like Android OS is a crimminal, I think that Android OS is just taking a bit of battery, but definitely not 5 times higer than the screen as explained above like instead of 5% of battery it is consuming 10%, it's not good, but not a disaster either :silly:
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The main responsable in battery drains is usually not Android OS, but Google Play Services that screws everything
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it might be, I used to greenify Google Play Services, but on some phone it will lead to a lot of force closes. Supposed it's the cause, it also can't be 5 times higher then the screen, or else our phone won't be able to maintain >4 hours of SOT, isn't it? :silly:
No, 5.0 is and was a disaster. It had so many bugs it should have never been released
That is for sure...
I know, our device has really great battery life and I don't have anything to complain about that, but a friend of mine just got himself a new phone and his values make me a bit jealous and most of all: surprised and stunned.
He got himself a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 (SD 625 variant, MKT variant really sucks), it has the same processor, same display and not even 700 mAh more (4100 mAh) and he got with some "dev rom" (made by Xiaomi, seems to just be the beta of that ugly MIUI 9, based on Andorid 7.0) 6h of SOT, doze seems to haven't really kicked in in that time. in their forum in the SOT thread I see people getting normally about 8-10 with up to over 12 h of SOT, most of them on stock ROM without any additions. And I'm quite irritated about that huge of a difference with not that much more battery. And he seems quite convinced that it's not on the cost of performance, you should notice that quickly on such a heavily skinned ROM.
Now my question is: how in hell is that even possible? I mean our devices seem quite comparablewith just a slight bump in battery but near-stock AOSP Android against pretty much an iOS clone. Does anyone have any idea what could cause that big of a difference? And if it's software based could that be done on our device? Because my experience and from different posts our device lasts about 5-6 h normally.
I mean I'm already lucky about my 2 days of usage with up to about 2.5 days on some weekends where I have a lot of stuff to do. But I wouldn't mind a bit of extra. But my biggest problem with that is as simple as: how? I could really use some explaination right now...
I don't have issues with device.. stock 7.1.1 with dec.patch, unlocked bootloader, with latest magisk. Also installed greenify.
Then you are one of very rare cases. My experience is about half of that.
And I also meant on stock ROM, without any modifications. So I don't know which apps you greenified, but that was not the point. I use Greenify too but more for apps that aren't supposed to run constantly in background when I only use it very seldomly.
The norm for this phone is 8+ hours SOT. Sometimes I get 10 and a few have had up to 12. Unless you're gaming 8 should be easy. 5 hours means something is wrong with your phone hardware, you have a rogue battery eating app or you're gaming. I rarely charge my phone over the weekend even when I use it a lot.
Well, neither of that is the case and I rarely see people claiming more than 6h of SOT
So the answer to your question is, it's the wrong question. The question should be, why does my battery not last very long and what apps or usage causes me to have such poor battery life? Compared to the Redmi Note 4 the Z Play is exactly where it should be.
Here's a link to the SOT thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/review/screen-time-t3643959
gsmarena battery life test 100h endurance rating: https://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3?idPhone=8310#show
Here's an app to help diagnose battery condition (Accubattery): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digibites.accubattery&hl=en
also betterbatterystats is really helpful.
I sincerely hope you get it sorted out!
Well, gsam isn't detecting any app that's off even with root so I don't think there is any. I installed that AccuBattery app, let's see what it has to say
Removed because of ****ty q&a system...
Oh, and another thing I noticed: I get very randomly reboots, and every time the battery percentage drops massively. Just had a 30% drop. And after the reboot the battery percentage seems like frozen. Now I rebooted and plugged in the cable and got 44% again... No fast charging. Do that detection seems very off
Motorola forum isn't helpful at all. Clearing cache and dalvik didn't change anything and running around for a week in secure mode (that's how random they mostly are) or even doing a factory reset without restoring apps is out of question for obvious reasons.
That's pretty weird. Did you try a factory reset and after restore your apps? There's not a lot you can do if you're not rooted, but you shouldn't need to do much anyway on stock rom.
Only other option is full RSD lite OS restore as a last resort.
I am rooted for long, that's why I use Greenify. I know it also works without but then it's a joke. As RSD lite is, it just refuses for everyone to detect anything on Windows 10.
Factory reset is out of question for the moment, it takes way too long to do it properly (with titanium and NANDroid backup first) and I won't have that much time probably for the whole of this month. Otherwise I would most likely already have went off to the next best custom ROM since Motorola just can't get their **** together and still work on 8.0 in test for 2.5 month with searching testers for another one.
I think the next thing I'll do is to try the good old battery calibration, just have to find the file storing the statistics. I know many say that won't work but that's rubbish, it worked for me already a few times
Update: no, no change. Don't know if that funky battery percentage bug on random reboots still happen since I haven't had any again yet, but they come too random and unpredictable.
And that AccuBattery just proves to be worthless. It tries to estimate the rest capacity, but then it even fails to detect original capacity by 500 mAh. The battery sucker stats are also unrealistic. It puts chrome first with 10%, while GSam with root puts it 5th at 4.6% after kernel, Spotify, Android system and fight services. Android itself even puts it 9th with screen, phone idle, cell standby, Android OS and Bluetooth in-between.
So let's see what happens first. Motorola releasing 8.0, which I will flash through the .xml.zip, this time using flashfile.xml which should force a factory reset... Or me finding the time to switch to a custom ROM
Edit: so I got another one, bit this time no crazy battery drop. But the other times I killed of the soft reboot sequence because Magisk can have some problems with that. This time I didn't
Yesterday I was finally able to do the factory reset since those darn random reboots became too annoying and Moto's support is had just the most ridiculous ideas... In the worst way.
Either way, now OTA looks better, let's see how it will turn out in the next days
hello there, been following this forum for ages, and a owner of a htc 10 for two weeks....
But I have a big problem....... the battery.....It really is abysmal......
I am currently on LeeDroid oreo, but have tried other roms, and come to the conclusion, the battery sucks!
I know there are kernal tweaks, but with this phone, i just like running the basic custom rom, no bells and whistles......
i am s-off and know how to downgrade/sort signal out/CID/ADB and everything, but I am reluctant to go too far back (Although I do like marshmallow)
I know on other phones, that going back to a previous firmware...sometimes improves the battery
but will it improve my battery????????
I went from Oreo to Nougat. Battery much improved. I was running pure stock rooted. No other mods on Nougat. Took a day to settle, but I could finally leave the house not worrying if I needed to carry a USB cable with me for a charge.
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I went from Oreo to Nougat. Battery much improved. I was running pure stock rooted. No other mods on Nougat. Took a day to settle, but I could finally leave the house not worrying if I needed to carry a USB cable with me for a charge.
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And overnight, do you notice any abnormal discharge? As much as 25/30%? or less?
I have this much of a discharge on nougat and on oreo... Did not noticed much of a difference on both FW tbh... As i bought this phone 2nd hand about a month ago, it was already on N and never tested it on MM to tell if there is any difference.
Our luck is the fast charge capability this phone has...
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And overnight, do you notice any abnormal discharge? As much as 25/30%? or less?
I have this much of a discharge on nougat and on oreo... Did not noticed much of a difference on both FW tbh... As i bought this phone 2nd hand about a month ago, it was already on N and never tested it on MM to tell if there is any difference.
Our luck is the fast charge capability this phone has...
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No, maybe like 2 - 3% at most overnight.
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No, maybe like 2 - 3% at most overnight.
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And you had battery problems before the downgrade?
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And you had battery problems before the downgrade?
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I would say so, yes I had problems. I bought this phone 2nd hand as well. A mint Red one. Pristine condition - at least in appearance. I also have/coming from a daily driver LG V20. Which also uses same 820 chipset. So I had some kind of expectation as to what battery life around. I was kind of shocked how bad the battery was on the 10. Phone was dropping like maybe 20% overnight. In the daytime on stock before I rooted I was getting maybe 1.5 - 2 SOT hours depending on use(i'm not a heavy gamer). I had never experienced such bad battery life before on an HTC phone. I unlocked it/rooted it and started playing with mods. The most success I had was with the Helix engine. I also had some Magisk modules installed to help deep sleep. Probably improved to getting 3 - 3.5 hours SOT. There is a thread dedicated to getting better battery life on Oreo in the guides section and I'd follow that thread and try various things. Also I had done the HTC calibration a few times, and the HTC battery test just to get a sense of the battery's health. In their test, I scored an 85, so I'd say the battery was OK. Not in the area of being a replacement.
But in the end, I was curious to go back to Nougat and then maybe on to Marshmallow to see how battery life would be. Simply going down to Nougat, I was satisfied. Not quite as good as my LG V20, but close enough. Don't feel the need to go down to marshmallow for it.
Maybe in the future I'll go back to Oreo on the 10, but for the most part, Nougat is fine.
From what I've read as well, HTC sort of 'unleashed' the power of the 820 chipset in Nougat, therefore when people went from Marshmallow to Nougat they reported worst battery life but improved performance especially in gaming.
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I would say so, yes I had problems. I bought this phone 2nd hand as well. A mint Red one. Pristine condition - at least in appearance. I also have/coming from a daily driver LG V20. Which also uses same 820 chipset. So I had some kind of expectation as to what battery life around. I was kind of shocked how bad the battery was on the 10. Phone was dropping like maybe 20% overnight. In the daytime on stock before I rooted I was getting maybe 1.5 - 2 SOT hours depending on use(i'm not a heavy gamer). I had never experienced such bad battery life before on an HTC phone. I unlocked it/rooted it and started playing with mods. The most success I had was with the Helix engine. I also had some Magisk modules installed to help deep sleep. Probably improved to getting 3 - 3.5 hours SOT. There is a thread dedicated to getting better battery life on Oreo in the guides section and I'd follow that thread and try various things. Also I had done the HTC calibration a few times, and the HTC battery test just to get a sense of the battery's health. In their test, I scored an 85, so I'd say the battery was OK. Not in the area of being a replacement.
But in the end, I was curious to go back to Nougat and then maybe on to Marshmallow to see how battery life would be. Simply going down to Nougat, I was satisfied. Not quite as good as my LG V20, but close enough. Don't feel the need to go down to marshmallow for it.
Maybe in the future I'll go back to Oreo on the 10, but for the most part, Nougat is fine.
From what I've read as well, HTC sort of 'unleashed' the power of the 820 chipset in Nougat, therefore when people went from Marshmallow to Nougat they reported worst battery life but improved performance especially in gaming.
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Im aware on the unleashed power htc did on N, but it just don't justify the amount of energy drained. It does not make sense to remove social or other apps from background just because you need to retain battery. Still have a one M7 and the battery still is way better than this htc, with all the apps and settings i need on both, almost a clone of my m7. Im no gamer at all, and don't use whatsup, viber, FB, g+ etc.
You are saying that just by returning from Oero to Nougat, your htc 10 battery got less discharge, like it got fixed? without any mod's?
Thanks for your time to answer me!
Yeah, for me moving back to Nougat fixed my drain problems. Keep in mind, I didn't own the phone before Oreo, so I can't say what it was like pre oreo. But I finally felt comfortable with the performance/battery life I was getting on Nougat. I can't say this will work for you, but others have reported the same. Moving back to Nougat improved battery life.
Before you do it, I'd advise to rule out a hardware problem though to save the aggrivation of downgrading. Do the HTC battery test. If you fall below 70% in the test after an hour, I'd say it might be more hardware related than software.
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Yeah, for me moving back to Nougat fixed my drain problems. Keep in mind, I didn't own the phone before Oreo, so I can't say what it was like pre oreo. But I finally felt comfortable with the performance/battery life I was getting on Nougat. I can't say this will work for you, but others have reported the same. Moving back to Nougat improved battery life.
Before you do it, I'd advise to rule out a hardware problem though to save the aggrivation of downgrading. Do the HTC battery test. If you fall below 70% in the test after an hour, I'd say it might be more hardware related than software.
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Good morning.
Wile i was chating with you (yesterday), finally used the htc battery test and to my surprise it went from 99% to 88% in that hour test (99 because it was off and spent that ~1% booting). So, hopefully, will experience the same as the most of you who made the downgrade.
Perhaps its some part on the process of downgrading that fixes something, maybe the format of the [persist] partition one have to wipe to recover access to the baseband (thus the imei) repairs something, a kind of file system error that makes the android system use a lot of power(?).
As i told before, if do mobile repair and to this day, after several hundred of phone fix (hard and software, various brands as lg, samsung, htc,, iDeveices and china phones, never seen this type of problem unless it was hardware problems like pmic (power management IC) due to use of bad chargers / bad cables, water damage, drop damage, etc. Got this 10 and as soon i got here (xda) immediately noticed the amount of people that had the very same problem. And we are (here on xda) just a few to the many thousands of 10 owners around the globe that don't use xda or any other forums to talk about this problem.
Going to do this downgrade today. Im eager to see the result and use my 10 finally (another agnostic hope :angel!!
Thanks!
Hi, I just got a new HTC 10, but I've encountered an issue with it - the wifi signal reception is a pure clown fiesta. My room is fairly far from the router, but even then I managed to get near perfect connection with my ~5 year old Samsung. With my new phone, I can't even open google play most of the time. Same router, nothing changed there
I've googled it up a bit, and some people suggested to force the 2.4Ghz band, but it's already the one I'm on. Do you guys have any other idea what to do?
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Hi, I just got a new HTC 10, but I've encountered an issue with it - the wifi signal reception is a pure clown fiesta. My room is fairly far from the router, but even then I managed to get near perfect connection with my ~5 year old Samsung. With my new phone, I can't even open google play most of the time. Same router, nothing changed there
I've googled it up a bit, and some people suggested to force the 2.4Ghz band, but it's already the one I'm on. Do you guys have any other idea what to do?
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Can't give feedback on 2.4 but i am on 5 Ghz and that is working fine. It still could perform better in my opinion but it is surely fast enough everywhere in the house to have a solid stable connection.
Did you try 5 Ghz ?
I'm not sure if my router allows that. Tbh I couldn't even find the band settings in the wifi settings - I'm on stock Oreo update :/
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I'm not sure if my router allows that. Tbh I couldn't even find the band settings in the wifi settings - I'm on stock Oreo update :/
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Well the 10 isn't very well known by its awesome Wi-Fi reception, it has been a discussion from the beginning but as far as i can see it it should be more than fine in standard conditions.
Another possibility is that it can be better on nougat than oreo but with an S-ON device it involves downgrading firmware by a pretty complicated tutorial (at least if you don't know anything about flashing, fastboot commands, basic android flashing)
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Well the 10 isn't very well known by its awesome Wi-Fi reception, it has been a discussion from the beginning but as far as i can see it it should be more than fine in standard conditions.
Another possibility is that it can be better on nougat than oreo but with an S-ON device it involves downgrading firmware by a pretty complicated tutorial (at least if you don't know anything about flashing, fastboot commands, basic android flashing)
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Well I've played around with the phone for a bit and found out a different problem - the battery is absolutely pathetic. With data/location on I get under 1 hour of SoT, which is waaaayy less than what I get with my current 5 year old 2600mAh device.
So I figured I'd actually try some of the custom ROM as people seem to like it - is there any 'easy tutorial' out there how to do the whole thing step by step? I've seen some tutorials how to do root, or how to flash, how to install stuff, but never quite all together... Even though I'm very anti-technical type, it seems like it's a last possibility since with this battery, the phone is borderline useless to me
You can find some info here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66714156&postcount=2
The first 2 video's explain basically how to unlock the bootloader and how to flash TWRP recovery. But check for updated files, the ones used in the video may be outdated by now.
Mr Hofs said:
You can find some info here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66714156&postcount=2
The first 2 video's explain basically how to unlock the bootloader and how to flash TWRP recovery. But check for updated files, the ones used in the video may be outdated by now.
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So if I understood it correctly... I must follow these three steps (unlock bootloader, Root the device, install TWRP recovery and "S off"), and after that I just download and install the things that people share on the forums, such as this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ht...lineageos-16-1-unofficial-builds-pme-t3851614 ?
Also do you (or anyone) have experience with some of the custom roms? Does the battery get significantly better? Right now I lose more than 1% per 1 minute of watching video on youtube which is a bummer
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So if I understood it correctly... I must follow these three steps (unlock bootloader, Root the device, install TWRP recovery and "S off"), and after that I just download and install the things that people share on the forums, such as this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ht...lineageos-16-1-unofficial-builds-pme-t3851614 ?
Also do you (or anyone) have experience with some of the custom roms? Does the battery get significantly better? Right now I lose more than 1% per 1 minute of watching video on youtube which is a bummer
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No, only this
Unlock the bootloader
Flash TWRP
You do not need S-OFF specifically and you do not root the device, you give root access to the running OS ! Don't mix that up. A custom rom has root access 99% of the time.
Do NOT expect wonders to your battery, if you get less than 1 hour screen on time either the battery is bad or you have a massive drain on an app. The OS won't likely improve this behavior. So dont get your hopes up that it will be 2 or even 3 hours after flashing just a custom rom.
Getting more battery life is a combination of running the proper custom rom and a custom kernel with usually the according app to customize it. Don't expect it all to be good with one press on a button, this is all pretty advanced.
Hmm I don't really see any app draining it... As for the battery, the phone was apparently checked sometime in 2016 and left in the box ever since... I know it's rather specific technical question, but do you suppose it's possible that the battery degraded so much from just sitting in the box?
Well yes everything at this point can be a possibility, i see many reports lately about bad batteries. I must say mines still oke, i get around 4 hours SOT and it get's me through the day easily without charging it.
In my opinion, 1 hour SOT or less is pretty sure a bad battery and a custom rom and kernel might stretch that but 4 hours you will never reach.
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Hmm I don't really see any app draining it... As for the battery, the phone was apparently checked sometime in 2016 and left in the box ever since... I know it's rather specific technical question, but do you suppose it's possible that the battery degraded so much from just sitting in the box?
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wifi works well at my home on 5ghz and 2.4ghz
usually just use 4g though outside of home network, since im now on unlimited data plan
accubattery is a pretty sweet app.
says my battery is at 77%, which seems about right. I can also get around 3.5-4.5 hours SOT on Nougat crdroid.
andybones said:
wifi works well at my home on 5ghz and 2.4ghz
usually just use 4g though outside of home network, since im now on unlimited data plan
accubattery is a pretty sweet app.
says my battery is at 77%, which seems about right. I can also get around 3.5-4.5 hours SOT on Nougat crdroid.
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Yeah I was warned that battery life is a poor on Oreo update, but I couldn't quite figure out how to avoid the update when setting up the device... Yeah I actually got Accubattery myself, it shows that 1/3 of the battery is gonezo (2,069 MaH out of 3,000) straight out of box so it explains a lot.
I figured I'd try my luck with some of the custom ROM, but since I've never done it before I'm afraid I'm just going to brick my device... Still worth trying I guess :silly:
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Yeah I was warned that battery life is a poor on Oreo update, but I couldn't quite figure out how to avoid the update when setting up the device... Yeah I actually got Accubattery myself, it shows that 1/3 of the battery is gonezo (2,069 MaH out of 3,000) straight out of box so it explains a lot.
I figured I'd try my luck with some of the custom ROM, but since I've never done it before I'm afraid I'm just going to brick my device... Still worth trying I guess :silly:
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Nah, bricking is more on an ruu or messing with the aboot.img
Flashing a rom you should be fine. But I understand man.
I'm on AOSP N and getting decent battery with 77% battery, and this is from 80% charge. It's rare I charge above 80%
I've had my phone since release day.
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Yeah I was warned that battery life is a poor on Oreo update, but I couldn't quite figure out how to avoid the update when setting up the device... Yeah I actually got Accubattery myself, it shows that 1/3 of the battery is gonezo (2,069 MaH out of 3,000) straight out of box so it explains a lot.
I figured I'd try my luck with some of the custom ROM, but since I've never done it before I'm afraid I'm just going to brick my device... Still worth trying I guess :silly:
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WiFi is nothing to write home about, I gave up on 5ghz and use 2.4ghz as it reaches farther (more stable from 40ft distance to router).
I used to get up to 3hrs expected SOT (70%health) on the original battery per Accubattery, device was new, but sat on a shelf for a couple of years.
With new battery, expected SOT went to 4.5 hrs (100% health). It was worth the pain of opening it up and changing it (I also had to change the charge port, was causing ‘otg_default’ and ‘ohio_wakelock’ wakelocks eating into Sleep mode and reducing SOT indirectly.)
Check wakelocks with Betterbatterystats app, maybe you have similar issue.
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WiFi is nothing to write home about, I gave up on 5ghz and use 2.4ghz as it reaches farther (more stable from 40ft distance to router).
I used to get up to 3hrs expected SOT (70%health) on the original battery per Accubattery, device was new, but sat on a shelf for a couple of years.
With new battery, expected SOT went to 4.5 hrs (100% health). It was worth the pain of opening it up and changing it (I also had to change the charge port, was causing ‘otg_default’ and ‘ohio_wakelock’ wakelocks eating into Sleep mode and reducing SOT indirectly.)
Check wakelocks with Betterbatterystats app, maybe you have similar issue.
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Just curious, but do you have a link for the battery that you bought? I'm thinking of buying one but with all the ching brands to choose from I'm afraid I'm going to pick one that's going to explode and burn my house down with me in it :silly:
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Just curious, but do you have a link for the battery that you bought? I'm thinking of buying one but with all the ching brands to choose from I'm afraid I'm going to pick one that's going to explode and burn my house down with me in it :silly:
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It's all eBay stuff I buy, sometimes it's not perfect...
Anyway, I bought from "battery_expert" seller out of New Jersey, and got lucky.
Link:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-ship-NE...000mAh-/173462237898?du=1&txnId=1952246227007