LG G3 Signal lost on 3G network - G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

First I want to say to all of you moderators - I'm looking on this site and other for the past week - and there is no similar posts for this problem.
Now for the issue itself:
I just bought my brother the LG G3 D855. It has been working great for about 4 months, but than he flew to NY and when he got back, the signal strength got down to 1-0 bars.
after a week of test, and changing ROMS, and also talking to technical support from the currier (ORANGE) , I narrowed down the problem to this:
the problem only happens when in 3G network, thus going down to GSM or catching the right antenna with LTE, the phone works fine - the minute it connects to a 3G antenna it looses signal and gets stuck without switching to other antennas. I've been on the phone with orange for hours, and since we live in Tal Aviv, there is no way we don't have sufficient coverage. Tried different ROMS and no luck with none of them. Finally today I gave up and send it to the lab.
I'm posting this because I haven't found the proper discussion here for this problem, and also wanted to know if anyone have more experience than I have with this issue.
thanks guys

Thanks for sharing this with us. I am really interested in final results! Waiting them and crossing fingers for resolved issues!
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[Q] DHD on Orange Network. Losing network every few hours

Hi,
I'm using a DHD from Orange, UK running the Revolution rom (5.2.2 with recommended radio). I've had this phone for 8 months and it's been flawless, except over the past week it's started losing the Orange network after a few hours. Once lost nothing seems to get the network back other than a reboot. Manually searching for networks shows nothing, neither does leaving it on WCDMA only, GSM only or Auto.
Any tips people can offer me?
Thanks
Ferg
It was a cell tower issue. The tower was slowly dying and is now turned off waiting for repair!
thanks buddy, i was having the same problems as of late and thought maybe my 3 month old dhd was on its way out lol.
your post got me thinking.... i have a couple of friends locally who are on orange uk aswell so we took a drive around the surrounding areas while carefully watching our phones signal, and sure enough as soon as the signal switched towers to our local one once we were in range, boom all three of our phones [all different brands/models etc] significantly droppped or lost signal/network completely.
i will be contacting orange to see if they have allocated the tower for repair, or if there has even been a problem raised with my local tower/mast lol.
thanks again for your follow up mate, you have defiantly saved me some time and stress
take care buddy
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My fathers dhd started dropping signal recently. Mine is fine. Only difference is he's stock I'm rooted
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Vodafone Sure Signal

I have a Vodafone Sure Signal femtocell device, which connects to my broadband and provides a localised 3G signal in my house, as network reception here is poor.
I have 2 other phones connected to the SS just fine, but the One X is intermittently losing the connection and needs a reboot to re-connect. There have been some other posts on the Vodafone UK forums from folks with a One X, not many but enough to make me wonder if there's a more common problem.
Does anyone else here have a Sure Signal, and if so, are you having any problems with it?
I don't personally have it but my friend does and he is getting drops constantly he is not best pleased as he had yellow spot issue aswell aha i think he's going to thro the OX off the wall shortly. He has phoned regarding this and got nowhere
Thanks for the reply. VF have contacted me after I posted on their eforums, I've raised a ticket and they're investigating. I'll report back if anything improves.
VF UK are really pushing the One X, so if there is a problem, I imagine they'll want to get it fixed.
do the vodafone handsets have vodafone firmware? i have a factory unlocked non branded unit I'm using on vodafone with SS and hab=ve had zero problems!
Thanks for the reply. I got mine from dialaphone and it's pure stock WWE. It's working now, but still a little flakey. If it loses connection to the SS, I turn airplane mode off and on again and it works again (quicker than a reboot).
Most of the One X users with problems on the VF forum have their old number on a new sim card, which apparently can cause the Sure Signal to bug out a bit until the new sim is registered. Mine is a brand new number though. It's lasting a day or so before I have any issues.
The SS has always been a little on the flakey side, though, I need to reset it every so often - but that's been weeks or months apart rather than days.
I have one of the older models with 4 lights, not sure if that makes a difference.
Half wondering if it's the phone not the SS, but will see how it goes for the next few days.
I have had very poor suresignal performance...and have swapped out one phone already after speaking to HTC.
But have found that by turning off WIFI, it seems to be a lot happier, and the replacement phone acts just the same as the first (sim free from CPW)
But without WIFI, all data comes out of your data plan, and not from your broadband even thought the SS uses the broadband connection.
I never got to the bottom of my sure signal problems with this phone until I installed cyanogenmod.
However I recently installed sense 5 and my phone would again not connect to my sure signal. I have gone back to cyanogenmod and the problem still exisits.
Can someone who uses a sure signal please tell me which radio you are using by going to settings, about phone, baseband version
Many thanks

[Q] Signal issues UK

Hi. I am on three network UK and since I had the m8 from new, have had intermittent signal issues. One minute I will have 5 bars then it will drop to one bar while I am still in the same place. This is my second brand new m8 now with the same problem as the first. I also have a moto g on three to compare it to, and the reception on the moto g is far more stable. I can't find any posts from the UK of anyone with the same problem. Anyone else having signal strength problems? It affects signal as a whole as in both calls and data.
Im with 3 and have intermittent signal issues but thats nothing to do with the phone or network provider in my honest opinion.
Are you running a custom rom? Might be a radio issue?
Thanks for reply. I am still on stock at the moment because I didn't want to have to un-root and return to s-on etc. While I wasn't sure what the problem is. If you don't think it has anything to do with the phone or the network provider, what do you think it is? As I say, my moto g signal is far better and stronger. I don't get signal on the m8 where I normally have done on all my previous android phones. Thanks for any more input.
I'm on 3 and also have ****ty signal strength, yet I'm able to make and receive calls without issues.
Tbh I think it's an issue with three.
I was with Vodafone back in the day, and use to have full bars yet intermittently I was unable to make/receive calls.
3 appear to have some Gremlins, but after using almost every other provider, oddly they're consistent.
Doughnut said:
I'm on 3 and also have ****ty signal strength, yet I'm able to make and receive calls without issues.
Tbh I think it's an issue with three.
I was with Vodafone back in the day, and use to have full bars yet intermittently I was unable to make/receive calls.
3 appear to have some Gremlins, but after using almost every other provider, oddly they're consistent.
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Thanks for reply. Tbh, I have been trying to not take too much notice of what the signal strength bars are telling me and just trying to use it anyway. But it just seems strange to me that I have only just started seeing this happening since I got the m8. As you say, three have been consistent, and for me, they have been consistently good. I now find the m8 not having data connection and no bars where before, other handsets are fine. Oh well. Thanks for your reply.
bigears5000 said:
Hi. I am on three network UK and since I had the m8 from new, have had intermittent signal issues. One minute I will have 5 bars then it will drop to one bar while I am still in the same place. This is my second brand new m8 now with the same problem as the first. I also have a moto g on three to compare it to, and the reception on the moto g is far more stable. I can't find any posts from the UK of anyone with the same problem. Anyone else having signal strength problems? It affects signal as a whole as in both calls and data.
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same issue, sent mine in for repair
which city are you in if you don't mind me asking
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soyef said:
same issue, sent mine in for repair
which city are you in if you don't mind me asking
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Hi. I have sent mine in for "repair" now, but am not holding out much hope that it will be working any better when it gets returned from HTC. I am in Hereford, west midlands.
Got the same, now on a second device thanks to the local thieves;anyway both handset's had the signal bar observation you made in the post.
So I'm guessing it's 3's network.
I'm in South east London.
Data & voice are a bit hit & miss
Cheers
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Daveyg99 said:
Got the same, now on a second device thanks to the local thieves;anyway both handset's had the signal bar observation you made in the post.
So I'm guessing it's 3's network.
I'm in South east London.
Data & voice are a bit hit & miss
Cheers
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Thanks for reply. I think what i'll do when I get my device back, is to try a few other networks sim cards and see what happens. Perhaps I should have tried that a bit sooner but as I never had trouble before, it didn't really occur to me that it could be the network not playing nice with the phone. Thanks for all the replies guys.
I've been noticing signal problems too with three. I'm in Northern Ireland. I tweeted them and they said they were aware of a mast issue near where I live.
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bigears5000 said:
Thanks for reply. I think what i'll do when I get my device back, is to try a few other networks sim cards and see what happens. Perhaps I should have tried that a bit sooner but as I never had trouble before, it didn't really occur to me that it could be the network not playing nice with the phone. Thanks for all the replies guys.
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I tried EE, Vodafone and three and all had the same problem, left it on top of the desk and watched as the bars randomly switched from 3 to 1 and to none, got my device back so will test and see if it's better
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bigears5000 said:
Hi. I am on three network UK and since I had the m8 from new, have had intermittent signal issues. One minute I will have 5 bars then it will drop to one bar while I am still in the same place. This is my second brand new m8 now with the same problem as the first. I also have a moto g on three to compare it to, and the reception on the moto g is far more stable. I can't find any posts from the UK of anyone with the same problem. Anyone else having signal strength problems? It affects signal as a whole as in both calls and data.
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I had been with 3 UK for about 5 years and a couple of years ago I had a Desire HD and I was experiencing the same exact issues except sometimes the signal would get lost completely and even airplane mode or phone reboot would not register with the network again but since then they have improved the network (a little), I can tell you there is nothing wrong with your phone or the radio. 3 have great deals but their coverage is very patchy I am now with o2 UK and have not had any problems with reception or dropouts. one more thing; a bad simcard can cause reception issues so you might want to try another sim from 3 to see if that helps at all.
soyef said:
I tried EE, Vodafone and three and all had the same problem, left it on top of the desk and watched as the bars randomly switched from 3 to 1 and to none, got my device back so will test and see if it's better
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Oh dear, that's not sounding promising. Let me know if it works any better. Cheers.
112.bkt said:
I had been with 3 UK for about 5 years and a couple of years ago I had a Desire HD and I was experiencing the same exact issues except sometimes the signal would get lost completely and even airplane mode or phone reboot would not register with the network again but since then they have improved the network (a little), I can tell you there is nothing wrong with your phone or the radio. 3 have great deals but their coverage is very patchy I am now with o2 UK and have not had any problems with reception or dropouts. one more thing; a bad simcard can cause reception issues so you might want to try another sim from 3 to see if that helps at all.
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Ok. Cheers for the info. I have always found three to be fairly consistent in a good way in my area and surrounding. I have ordered two new sim cards since my original and still have the same issues. Cheers.
bigears5000 said:
Hi. I am on three network UK and since I had the m8 from new, have had intermittent signal issues. One minute I will have 5 bars then it will drop to one bar while I am still in the same place. This is my second brand new m8 now with the same problem as the first. I also have a moto g on three to compare it to, and the reception on the moto g is far more stable. I can't find any posts from the UK of anyone with the same problem. Anyone else having signal strength problems? It affects signal as a whole as in both calls and data.
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I have exactly the same issue however it doesn't seem to effect the usabilty of the phone. I had a Note 3 before which also suffered the same issue so I would assume it is Three.
I think Three are in the midst of a big 4G switch on and from what one of my pals in the store said they are doing a hell of a lot of work on the masts at the moment. I do however have a more consistent signal with the M8 with regards to signal stability (not the bars)
You may want to look at getting an app which measures the actual -db rather than bars. It may be that you are swapping between a couple of masts.
Have a look at Opensignal or this one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.signalmonitoring.gsmsignalmonitoring
large12006 said:
I have exactly the same issue however it doesn't seem to effect the usabilty of the phone. I had a Note 3 before which also suffered the same issue so I would assume it is Three.
I think Three are in the midst of a big 4G switch on and from what one of my pals in the store said they are doing a hell of a lot of work on the masts at the moment. I do however have a more consistent signal with the M8 with regards to signal stability (not the bars)
You may want to look at getting an app which measures the actual -db rather than bars. It may be that you are swapping between a couple of masts.
Have a look at Opensignal or this one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.signalmonitoring.gsmsignalmonitoring
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Nice one. Thanks for the information. I will have a look at that app when I get back. Cheers.
Seems like the repair done the job, signal seems stable now
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Was with Three when I had my Note 3, always 2 bars but calls and texts went through fine. Decided to dump them and head back to O2 and five full bars and full signal wherever I go. Three = Not that great IMO
soyef said:
Seems like the repair done the job, signal seems stable now
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Thanks for letting me know. I'm glad your device is working better after the repair. That gives me hope for my device now. Cheers.
radicalisto said:
Was with Three when I had my Note 3, always 2 bars but calls and texts went through fine. Decided to dump them and head back to O2 and five full bars and full signal wherever I go. Three = Not that great IMO
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I have been trying not to take too much notice of the bars and just use it anyway but it still doesn't seem to be working as well in certain places, as my other handsets have previously on three. Oh well. I just took out another 2 year contract with three. I'll see how the network performs over this time and make a decision when the time comes.

[Q] LG G3 Three UK Signal Dropping

Hi all,
Is anyone else experiencing terrible signal on Three UK? My dad just got his G3 and compared to his Nokia 925 signal on Three is atrocious, and seems to drop in an out constantly?
Anyone else experiencing the same?
Not on 3 but I'm on ee (T-Mobile) and I have some prob outs at times that I found has been bit strange but most the time I have great signal.
I am on Three, had no signal concerns at all except in areas of weak signal. The phone doesn't seem great at maintaining a connection when signal is weak, whereas other phones might stay with 1 bar this drops to none, but otherwise signal is as good as can be expected.
No problems here
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I have had this problem on 3 UK. I found that going into network settings and choosing the network mode without LTE stopped it from happening! Any idea why this may be anyone? Do we have defective units?
Matt
The g3 is just very slow at finding signal when its lost signal - what is happening is you are losing signal (even if just a split second), any other phone would probably instantly reconnect but the G3 seems slow - this is all software based (well, radio firmware) and can be fixed (and word on the street is that it will be fixed in the next, August, release).
Lennyuk said:
The g3 is just very slow at finding signal when its lost signal - what is happening is you are losing signal (even if just a split second), any other phone would probably instantly reconnect but the G3 seems slow - this is all software based (well, radio firmware) and can be fixed (and word on the street is that it will be fixed in the next, August, release).
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Thanks for the info, I won't be sending this off any time soon then! Also thanks for your unroot and chromecast volume fix guides they have been very helpful.
Wouldn't enabling fast dormancy help to find the signal quicker if it loses it?
I have also seem a connection problem on three in the UK. I figured switching off lte stopped it happening so much but then again I get 4G free and three tell me I have good signal strength for it so it seems silly to turn it off. Having said that I haven't seen it pop up once yet. Anybody tell me what the signal icons are on the G3, I have only had H so far? Cheers
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stigslim said:
I have also seem a connection problem on three in the UK. I figured switching off lte stopped it happening so much but then again I get 4G free and three tell me I have good signal strength for it so it seems silly to turn it off. Having said that I haven't seen it pop up once yet. Anybody tell me what the signal icons are on the G3, I have only had H so far? Cheers
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I haven't seen the 4g logo yet either as I live away from any LTE areas, I've seen H and H+, 4g will show up as either LTE or a 4g symbol so I assume that your phone isn't connected to LTE/4g if you haven't seen either of those
Yep that's what I figured. Tweeted three cs but didn't seem to get much help. Thought maybe it's because I'm a SIM only customer. But I have checked there website and to all intents I should be connecting. 4G is good on my area. Not sure what else to try?
Enable fast dormancy for the 3 network. 4G works great on 3 in cities where it is supported.
How to enable fast dormancy? Website gives my area a good signal. I don't even get H+ which I did with my galaxy s3.
stigslim said:
Yep that's what I figured. Tweeted three cs but didn't seem to get much help. Thought maybe it's because I'm a SIM only customer. But I have checked there website and to all intents I should be connecting. 4G is good on my area. Not sure what else to try?
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Have you tried the options when you enter 3845#*855# into the phone ? I had to use this as I was not getting LTE. See here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/mod-root-activate-lte-g3-t2819387
The option its already in my network settings menu and switched on. Are these different? Just can't put my finger on it.
I am having the same issue with my LG G3 on Three, the signal is much worse than my galaxy S3. Drops out randomly in my house and then takes ages to get a signal again.
Wondering whether to send it back our not as a phone with bad reception is kind of pointless! Anything perhaps fixable with a new firmware for the radio?
Yep exact same issues. Hoping it's not the phone (bought it myself not from three) really like it and Up to now three was great ? gutted.
It seems the phone either had really good or really bad reception. In poor area's it's quite flaky and can drop out easily when moving between rooms or even how you hold it.
If the reception is good you can get some great speeds on 4G though. Hoping they fix the issues with low signal strength soon as it's quite annoying.
Had a text from three saying they were going to fix my issue within the next seven days. Not picked up a 4g signal at all yet. So watch this space.
I also had problems with signal. I got a replacement SIM & that seems to have improved matters.

Question Horrible signal connectivity?

Hi all, I just recently bought this pixel 6 pro a few weeks ago and I've been having horrible connection issues. The main one that plagues me is when all of a sudden, for no reason, I lose mobile data connection. I have some bars of signal with the LTE or 5G icon but with an exclamation point in it. Or sometimes it just loses signal randomly like in the screenshot below. Both screenshots were taken minutes apart.
I've noticed this was an issue for most people and have posted about this here, but I haven't seen anyone complain about it recently. Is there a fix for this problem?
Unfortunately for a great manu people, myself included this phone has garbage reception. There is no known fix.
Me to
My troubles began after I updated the phone to A13 enrolling to Beta and then leaving it.
The problem was that the phone will be stuck to H+ all day although weI have good coverage of 4G and 5G in town. Sometimes the connection would just drop and I had to engage flight mode to reset it.
Yesterday I decided that I had enough and did the reset of network settings. Today I have noticed that the problem was solved. Now I have 4g and 5g as in the past. But the problem now is that the Internet just would not work from time to time although it shows full bars. Had to use aeroplane mode again today about 3 times.
It's very annoying to say the least. Had thoughts of changing the phone. Not even speaking about heating issues when on mobile. Horrible.
leafar1606 said:
My troubles began after I updated the phone to A13 enrolling to Beta and then leaving it.
The problem was that the phone will be stuck to H+ all day although weI have good coverage of 4G and 5G in town. Sometimes the connection would just drop and I had to engage flight mode to reset it.
Yesterday I decided that I had enough and did the reset of network settings. Today I have noticed that the problem was solved. Now I have 4g and 5g as in the past. But the problem now is that the Internet just would not work from time to time although it shows full bars. Had to use aeroplane mode again today about 3 times.
It's very annoying to say the least. Had thoughts of changing the phone. Not even speaking about heating issues when on mobile. Horrible.
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I also have to occasionally switch on/off airplane mode when the phone cannot connect to the internet from time to time
i agree, terrible signal problems, all time. I`ll try to reset all network settings
for me it`s a disrespect from google to treat all final user like beta tester
Same here. Super slow connection even in areas with towers close by.
Been having this issue ever since I updated to Android 13.
Having only had the phone for 2 weeks, I took it to my provider who said all they can do is return it to Google. With both my eSIM and my physical sim dropping out together, apparently its an RIL problem. They did say that if it's just an issue with one SIM card, replacing it will fix it.
I think this can be solved downgrading to android 12.1 dev you can downgrade to android 12.1 without downgrade bootloader it's safe and don't brick your device because it's a android 12 that runs over android 13 bootloader. Keep in mind that this will erase your data permanently! Do a backup before do it
This has been happening since the phone came out. This is due to the old modem they are using from Samsung. There is no fix.
My coworker has this happen with his 6 Pro, while my 6 is perfect ironically. He has verizon, I got tmobile. He has to leave the store to make a call, but I don't. This has been for the last 6 months though
Teet1 said:
Hi all, I just recently bought this pixel 6 pro a few weeks ago and I've been having horrible connection issues. The main one that plagues me is when all of a sudden, for no reason, I lose mobile data connection. I have some bars of signal with the LTE or 5G icon but with an exclamation point in it. Or sometimes it just loses signal randomly like in the screenshot below. Both screenshots were taken minutes apart.
I've noticed this was an issue for most people and have posted about this here, but I haven't seen anyone complain about it recently. Is there a fix for this problem?
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Weird because this phone has better signal than my gf s22U IV never had trouble with it dropping like at all, hope use get a fix
TonikJDK said:
Unfortunately for a great manu people, myself included this phone has garbage reception. There is no known fix.
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Yup! It's crazy and makes me wary of staying with the Pixel line
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Weird because this phone has better signal than my gf s22U IV never had trouble with it dropping like at all, hope use get a fix
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P6P has better signal than the S22 Ultra? lol #troll
Visera said:
Been having this issue ever since I updated to Android 13.
Having only had the phone for 2 weeks, I took it to my provider who said all they can do is return it to Google. With both my eSIM and my physical sim dropping out together, apparently its an RIL problem. They did say that if it's just an issue with one SIM card, replacing it will fix it.
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Had the phone sent away to Google for repairs as the issue ended up happening when I was showing my provider. Got it back and Google said there were "no issues" with it and they couldn't replicate it with either SIM type. Either they put out a hotfix or it magically went away, but I'll see how it goes after using it again.
Teet1 said:
Hi all, I just recently bought this pixel 6 pro a few weeks ago and I've been having horrible connection issues. The main one that plagues me is when all of a sudden, for no reason, I lose mobile data connection. I have some bars of signal with the LTE or 5G icon but with an exclamation point in it. Or sometimes it just loses signal randomly like in the screenshot below. Both screenshots were taken minutes apart.
I've noticed this was an issue for most people and have posted about this here, but I haven't seen anyone complain about it recently. Is there a fix for this problem?
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If you've got another phone (5G compatible), you can try to see if the problem is the phone, or the actual network coverage.
Also, something else you could do is switch to 4G and see if the problem persists.
The thing with 5G is that the coverage is really spotty. That's in general. I don't live in the US, so I don't know what the actual coverage is over there. But that's a general thing with 5G. It cannot penetrate as well as 4G, and even worse than 3G or 2G. When you increase frequency, you lose distance (coverage). So basically 5G needs a lot more repeaters to get proper coverage.
But you could try another phone in the exact same area. Oor..try to switch to 4G and see if the issue still occurs. You could also call the carrier and ask if they have any idea why is this happening.
arsradu said:
If you've got another phone (5G compatible), you can try to see if the problem is the phone, or the actual network coverage.
Also, something else you could do is switch to 4G and see if the problem persists.
The thing with 5G is that the coverage is really spotty. That's in general. I don't live in the US, so I don't know what the actual coverage is over there. But that's a general thing with 5G. It cannot penetrate as well as 4G, and even worse than 3G or 2G. When you increase frequency, you lose distance (coverage). So basically 5G needs a lot more repeaters to get proper coverage.
But you could try another phone in the exact same area. Oor..try to switch to 4G and see if the issue still occurs. You could also call the carrier and ask if they have any idea why is this happening.
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Facts, I changed from 5G to LTE as my preferred Network and have much better connectivity
HipKat said:
Facts, I changed from 5G to LTE as my preferred Network and have much better connectivity
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Same with me. I keep 5G turned off for a couple reasons.
1, battery life.
2. 4G is fast enough for me.
3. Better signal.
p51d007 said:
Same with me. I keep 5G turned off for a couple reasons.
1, battery life.
2. 4G is fast enough for me.
3. Better signal.
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Oh Battery life for sure. HUGE difference!

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