does anybody think that opera made opera mini & 10 final because they are starting to develop a browser for wp7? or is this all just a big coincidence that they did the day after MIX or maybe they have giving up on windows phones & are just gonna focus on android??
thoughts?
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
vangrieg said:
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
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im not so sure i believe that there wont be other browsers, why else would they say that they have no problems with other browsers on the platform just to not allow it or to force them to use the IE engine (wouldnt they need native code or special access to even do that?)
is it possible to get flash working without native code? cuz if not then that shows that they are willing to let it be used i think there will be opera on wp7 & im not talking about that mini crap
Why wouldn't they say they have no problems with alternative browsers? Sure they are nice unlike Apple, you can make any application you want... as long as it's done in SL/XNA.
And of course they do their own stuff in C++, they're not crazy.
As regards Flash, yes, that will be done in C++ as well, no doubt about it. But that adds value to their IE, while Opera is another matter. We'll see. So far they said specifically that SL/XNA is "the whole developer story".
Opera is going to be an option on WP7, but it can never be the default browser.
vangrieg said:
Why wouldn't they say they have no problems with alternative browsers? Sure they are nice unlike Apple, you can make any application you want... as long as it's done in SL/XNA.
And of course they do their own stuff in C++, they're not crazy.
As regards Flash, yes, that will be done in C++ as well, no doubt about it. But that adds value to their IE, while Opera is another matter. We'll see. So far they said specifically that SL/XNA is "the whole developer story".
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at the same time options with different browsers add value to wp7 & unless that new IE is better & faster then safari then they will need it
No because alternative browsers may easily have Google as default search engine.
vangrieg said:
No because alternative browsers may easily have Google as default search engine.
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IE on the pc can have google as the default search engine & even if the bowsers have it also you still wont be able to set google as the search button so people will still be using bing at the end of the day anyway
vangrieg said:
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
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Opera Mini doesn't run natively.
Yeah, but it's also not a browser really.
Microsoft never said that they wouldn't allow apps that competed with app that come with the platform. They said that It just can't be the default app. If you open a link in a outlook mail or you text message it will automatically go to the IE browser. But your allowed to use alternative browsers.
Shasarak said:
Opera Mini doesn't run natively.
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Uhm.. so what are you saying it is? .NET?
vangrieg said:
No native code equals no alternative browsers.
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It's not that simple. Opera's income from the mobile market segment does not come directly from the end users (it's free, remember?). They deal with manufacturers and network operators to get their browsers integrated with their software. Microsoft have announced that OEM partners will be allowed to run native code so this COULD mean that Opera could be bundled with some phones if Microsoft sees it fitting. I doubt it though.
Nilzor said:
Uhm.. so what are you saying it is? .NET?
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The opera mini I use seems to be a java app.
Nilzor said:
I doubt it though.
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Well that's the point anyway, isn't it?
asadk said:
The opera mini I use seems to be a java app.
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It's latest WM version is native, there's nothing that prevents it from being made in C# or whatever - it's not a browser anyway, as it doesn't include a rendering engine, just a UI client for a cloud service.
vangrieg said:
It's latest WM version is native, there's nothing that prevents it from being made in C# or whatever - it's not a browser anyway, as it doesn't include a rendering engine, just a UI client for a cloud service.
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Opera Mobile is a native app; Opera Mini is Java.
Shasarak said:
Opera Mobile is a native app; Opera Mini is Java.
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Previously, yes. However, there is now is a native Opera Mini for WM. Of course, it's still using pre-rendering on Opera's servers.
Since iphone has such a huge market share, wont the anti-trust laws apply to Apple for not allowing any other browser other than safari??????
There will be Opera for WP7S. Microsoft has already said they will allow 3rd party browsers.
Flash has to be native code, and Microsoft has already siginaled there will be exceptions to allow native code. It is just they prefer you to do it with Silverlight or XNA if you can, and probably won't allow you unless contact them first with a reason.
krjcook said:
Microsoft never said that they wouldn't allow apps that competed with app that come with the platform. They said that It just can't be the default app. If you open a link in a outlook mail or you text message it will automatically go to the IE browser. But your allowed to use alternative browsers.
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By the way, I don't see why this restriction of making alternative default applications is often dismissed as minor. How are you going to use Opera really if it can't be launched from other apps by clicking links, without copy/paste, no access to filesystem and without the ability to access IE bookmarks even? It'll pretty much be limited to entering URLs manually or using whatever built-in bookmarks/cloud storage they ship with. While technically and legally this is indeed "allowing third party browsers", realistically it's very close to "you can't use anything but IE on WP7".
For any of you out there that like Google chrome, I recommend dolphin browser. Very good layout similar to chrome and Firefox. Dolphin has never crashed and can sync across all of you devices. This browser even has a voice search option. If other are any reasons that this browser should not be used, please inform me of your thoughts.
Uh, this isn't a question... so can a mod move this to themes&apps?
x10knight said:
Uh, this isn't a question... so can a mod move this to themes&apps?
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My question in this is: Are there any reason that this browser should no be used?
i love the "single column view" feature of opera bcs it just make every website accurately fits the screen but it drains battery a lot...so pls tell me some good alternative to opera which has similar kind of feature.....
Dont know what feature that is, but the most popular browsers, are Dolphin HD and Google Chrome...
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Dont know what feature that is, but the most popular browsers, are Dolphin HD and Google Chrome...
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i have not tried these browsers so pls tell me do these browsers make the website page fitting to the screen automatically as the page opens?
Opera rocks, I still use it for daily browsing.
Although I do have Dolphin (for view websites with a desktop view), Chrome (Pretty fast) and latest Firefox, that is also awsome.
Anyway, for me, still the best is Opera, at least for daily use :cyclops:
I hate how I always have to "request desktop site" when using Chrome. Has anyone found a way for it to permanently display desktop sites without having to check the box each time?
No, but that is the main reason i don't use chrome as my primary. Dolphin is my primary browser now.
alphabets said:
No, but that is the main reason i don't use chrome as my primary. Dolphin is my primary browser now.
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I may end up switching back to Dolphin Browser for the exact same reason.
airmaxx23 said:
I hate how I always have to "request desktop site" when using Chrome. Has anyone found a way for it to permanently display desktop sites without having to check the box each time?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811101
Article and flashable zip are here. Must have root though.
Download Chrome UA Switcher from Play Store
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Jack Barrett said:
Download Chrome UA Switcher from Play Store
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That, unfortunately requires rooting your phone.
Try This
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1824334
Regards
Rob
such as chrome, firefox, opera , ... ??
Most websites doesn't allow surfing from older browser in Internet Explorer.
sadly no.
littlebp said:
such as chrome, firefox, opera , ... ??
Most websites doesn't allow surfing from older browser in Internet Explorer.
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It was attempted, but it used too much RAM to be useful.