I just bought a note 10.1 2014 edition, and i was reading all about kitkat and its issues, so i was wondering. After all this time is jelly bean still better for this note?
Mine came with kitkat 4.4.2, and it had a 102 mb update, wich i applied, battery usage said 2.8 hours left or something when fully charged and unplugged. I deactivated most of the fancy stuff i dont need atm, but isnt 2.8 hours a little bit low?
I've read a ton of posts about kit kat draining battery, having some sort of sd card problems and other things. Is there a way to downgrade? does it have to be rooted for that? and if so, is there noticeable benefits from it? by the way the lock screen inking is still there, and i thought it was suposed to be removed on these tablets with kitkat.
I also read that when installing custom roms, there are functions, apps or whatever that might not work properly or at all ?
I have the wifi model, and i'd apreciate any info about all of these questions, thanks in advance!!!
Some people have said that battery levels are the same as jelly bean if not better but god knows.
Btw your tablet probably just needs to settle as its brand new. Use it and charge it a few times and see if it sorts itself out. My Tablet at the start used to drain faster and take donkeys to charge but now that I've had it for 8+ months it sorted itself out nicely.
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This tablet flies after upgrading to kitkat, everything is smooth and responsive and indeed a whole new experience. The multi-touch problem on my tablet has also been fixed in KK and no issue on battery life. Can't think of a single reason going back to 4.3.
Guys i have held back for long , need your honest opinion about the latest update,so far everywhere i see , there a lot of compliants about bugs in general , wanted to know is it really worth to update to lollipop my major concern is battery,
also is it possible to take the backup of current ROM with its exact state if so how do i do that
I personally used lollipop for a month after it came out and well I was not satisfied with it. The html5 video player will buffer on the best of connections, I am assuming a chipset issue there. I flashed all custom ROMs available for the ROM to get a fix for the issue but could not. Battery life is decent but is quite a lot better in kitkat especially with proper closed modules to optimize it. I would not recommend it and no you can't take a back up of your kitkat ROM to get back to it from lollipop. Although you can go back to kitkat via a method displayed on the xda forums. This is just my view tho. Other users might have some other experiences.
just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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I don't own tab but personally I think lollipop is a failed OS. Too bad for battery life although overall performance is better.
Back to kitkat N9005 Tweaked3.95 + LK3.17
My T800 ran for 260 days on kitkat without needing to be rebooted or tuned off even once now that is stability and i used it every day, when i did turn it off it was just to recalibrate the battery.
Too many reported problems with lollipop from less battery life, to lines on the screen, touchscreen problem, flash led problems, too much white in the stock apps and setting menu, stupid on an oled display.
I rooted my T800 and fixed the microsd problem, added AC3 support to the stock video player so why do i need kitkat, not saying i will not upgrade in the future to android m.
John.
I'm in the process of downgrade right now!
Ye i just flashed lollipop rom yesterday and now im rolling back to kk, i dont know if samsung is just trolling or what. you get a tiny status bar & notif panel then a blown up recent app manager, wtf? Plus no official xposed, and everything is just white & sky blue :/
A lot of people on SamMobile are saying that lollipop is a wasted update as it offers nothing new, and introduces a load of problems, also they are not happy at the way Samsung releases the updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/16/samsungs-software-update-policy-is-seriously-messed-up/
John.
For now, I believe they'll keep releasing 5.0 for older devices, and 5.1 for new ones.
Older models will always be one step behind, it's called marketing and forcing "impatient customers" to upgrade their device.
Although I notice these T700 and T800 5.0 versions keep getting patched with new updates and more stability, I believe we'll only get 5.1 when Android M is released for newer devices.
Then after 1, 2, or 3 years from release date and depending on each device, they are forgotten by the manufacturer and software updates are stopped, hoping you'll buy again a newer model, regardless of your device purchase date and condition.
And this in a way, explains why the XDA community is strong.
I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
Yeah, I choked on the lollipop, but i loved the chocolaty goodness of kitkat, stay on kitkat and don't be a sucker.
John.
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I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
When you say performance are you talking about gaming? , if so a lot of people don't game or only use simple games that don't require a great deal of system performance.
I don't game, and i have not seen any laginess on kitkat, i had it running 260 days without any problems i did not reset or shut-down a single time.
John.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
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With LP you do need to reboot now and then due to ram leak problem.
Let's say LP is faster than KK at the beginning and after a few days it crawls due to ram leak, until you reboot and it's pristine again for the next days.
To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
It`s great if you can tune lollipop the way you want, but most people cannot do this, and get stuck on a buggy stock rom until the next official update, which might never arrive, thank-you Samsung.
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To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
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Assuming you are asking about my Tab S experience, I used the guide in this forum to root without tripping Knox. I had to downgrade to stock Kitkat then root then upgrade to stock Lollipop. As soon as you downgrade using Odin you must do a factory reset in stock recovery, so yes I reset and always after the firmware change. In fact I've done the whole process several times as I've tried theming and every time I changed framework-res.apk it borked the UI and I need to do the whole process again.
At this time I've sworn off changing framework-res.apk. It is not a total write off as Flashfire back ups recover everything like a nadroid backup. Its weakness is that if you cannot start the app you can not do a restore. All that due to not wanting to loose my warranty on a two month old device so cannot flash a custom recovery like TWRP.
I did successfully flash from Lollipop B0E2 to B0E3 (boot, recover, system images) using Flashfire. That upgrade did not require a factory reset. In fact my user data, apps, root (SuperSU) and settings remained intact. All I need to do was re-flash any SuperSU policies I had previously installed along with any apps I installed in /system such as Viper4Android.
Specifically the upgrade and resulting experience was almost identical to upgrading Lollipop on my Nexus devices (5.0 through to 5.1.1), which is very easy and never required a factory reset. Although I usually clear the cache/dalvik just to be safe.
Hello everyone.
As I'm sure many of you are, I'm caught in the boat of owning a VZW Note 4, loving it mostly, yet pining for the days of controlling my own hardware. As of right now, I'm on the very first 5.0.1 update... Waiting.
The version I'm on has terrible battery drain issues. Is it worth waiting at this version any longer?
I honestly don't want to root the device for features... I enjoy a lot of what's going on on this phone. I'm just convinced some of those Samsung processes running are watching something I do. I just want to control which processes run on my phone.
I'd just like to see what others have done / think. Thanks!
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Hello everyone.
As I'm sure many of you are, I'm caught in the boat of owning a VZW Note 4, loving it mostly, yet pining for the days of controlling my own hardware. As of right now, I'm on the very first 5.0.1 update... Waiting.
The version I'm on has terrible battery drain issues. Is it worth waiting at this version any longer?
I honestly don't want to root the device for features... I enjoy a lot of what's going on on this phone. I'm just convinced some of those Samsung processes running are watching something I do. I just want to control which processes run on my phone.
I'd just like to see what others have done / think. Thanks!
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I'm thinking possibly new Nexus. I kind of give up. I love my Note but eff Samsung.
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My battery life is amazing. I also ran the debloater and blocked a ton of apps. The phone is a beast.
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@extensive What version are you on? 5.0.1? I'm not denying the phone is a beast, though I'm certain my battery life is terrible compared to the last 4.X.X version. If the debloater will help with that, I'm all about it!
Edit: and a follow up question... Does the debloater work with whatever the most recent version is? Thanks very much!
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I'm stock, I've taken all the updates. I get great battery life, but I also disable pretty much every Google and Verizon service on the phone because I don't use a single one with the exception of the play store. This phone has been out for a year now, the likelihood of permanent root coming is slim to none. Closer to none.
Most people keep a phone for 18 months to 2 years. I take each update gladly because at the end of the day, I'd rather enjoy using my phone than to hold off while it depreciates in value and reaches the end of it's lifespan. I'd hate to to see myself in March or April thinking, "Geeeeeeez, I'm still on Kit Kat but I know somebody is going to obtain permanent root any day now." LOL
Oh, and to be honest, you've got far more to worry about with Google watching what you do than with Samsung. The entire OS and all the services are built to watch what you do, Samsung just wants to cell you expensive phones, hence why the closer to the end of the lifespan, their phones start to get glitchier and slower, etc......... Then they can repeat the cycle. Been down that road three times with them.
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@extensive What version are you on? 5.0.1? I'm not denying the phone is a beast, though I'm certain my battery life is terrible compared to the last 4.X.X version. If the debloater will help with that, I'm all about it!
Edit: and a follow up question... Does the debloater work with whatever the most recent version is? Thanks very much!
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Look at your build number. Are you on BOAF? I was on that, that's the version you're able to downgrade to 4.4.4, so I did so so I was able to temp root. I'd noticed terrible battery drain in comparison to 5.0.1 BOAF. I'd read that a FDR fixes that issue. There are other updates past BOAF, which I'm sure you're aware of, but are not downgradable, so you'd be stuck in 5.0.1 or above forever. If you did downgrade to 4.4.4, you can take the OTA no problem, and it'll set you back into 5.0.1 BOAF, I've done this a few times by just taking a chance.
In terms of the whole root situation, I'm not happy with the progress. KingRoot does root it, but I've always had problems with SuperSU-Me Pro, which is attributed to the write protection, I'm sure. I must have an app that interferes with it all, so maybe that's why it won't work correctly. That being said, I might just forget the whole thing and just go ahead and take the OTAs and kiss the thought of root goodbye. I really don't know why a root hasn't been found for our Verizon Note 4 on 5.0.1, even though root has been found on other 5.0.1 devices. Maybe it's because Verizon takes so damn long to release updates, such that they make sure vulnerabilities are patched, so people can't root their devices, which sucks.
I'm on the latest stock LP 5.0.1 and have used the debloater and my note 4s both get awesome battery life. They get the same if not better than when they were on KK 4.4.4. I will not be upgrading till these 2 note 4s die!
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Similar question, just got my phone which came with BOF1 installed. While waiting and watching for root - any advantage to staying on this version vs. any known disadvantage from taking the current update?
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I'm on the latest stock LP 5.0.1 and have used the debloater and my note 4s both get awesome battery life. They get the same if not better than when they were on KK 4.4.4. I will not be upgrading till these 2 note 4s die!
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I am with you on that!!! No new phone til this N4 dies! :highfive:
Hi a total total newbie here I have no clue but I love to learn.
I really like the ElementalX kernel for my htc one m7 mainly because of the overclocking and undervolting for battery consumption and the doubletaptowake with some sound enhancement. I custom rommed lineage os 16.0(stable) Android 9.0 from the site and I tried installing ElementalX kernel 14.12 sense which was for Android 4.4.2 sense UI 6 and the newer ElementalX-m7-22.4-Sense, obviously it wouldn't work because none of them are built for Android 9 and it would just bootloop all over again. The phone is rooted and I did download some root-needed apps kernel editors but you know how they go.. I don't wanna go back to stock because of the newer apps I'm gonna miss out on
Is there any hope for me to find a kernel that sort of supports my purpose? Thanks in advance
I honestly can’t answer your question. Just wanted to say I’m impressed you’re still rocking the m7 after all these years.
Was an awesome phone when it came out, except for the battery consumption; and then Verizon dragging their feet, and eventually refusing to release official updates.
I eventually turned to custom ROMs for a couple years before I eventually moved onto an iPhone 5c. May not have been able to customize it. But, I knew Apple would keep the updates flowing for a while.
Good luck in your quest.
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I honestly can’t answer your question. Just wanted to say I’m impressed you’re still rocking the m7 after all these years.
Was an awesome phone when it came out, except for the battery consumption; and then Verizon dragging their feet, and eventually refusing to release official updates.
I eventually turned to custom ROMs for a couple years before I eventually moved onto an iPhone 5c. May not have been able to customize it. But, I knew Apple would keep the updates flowing for a while.
Good luck in your quest.
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I knowww tbh I'm still using the LG V20, the Samsung note edge and the Nexus 6(which I still love to this day and wouldn't sell) from time to time. The main problem I have with those devices was the battery life.. "was" as in not anymore since I changed the battery and they're workhorses back again but the m7 is a hurtful little thing. I opened it once and immediately regretted unscrewing the first screw. It's a mess and hardware alternation is my current options . Anyways thank you for your input. I appreciate it. I might as well downgrade to lineage OS 14.1 Android 7 and there's a custom kernel for the same LIOS14.1 which might be compatible.