Hello. A question here. i have VERIZON sim-unlocked phone. I live in ukraine. So can i get s-off and install on it WWE firmware (or get a WWE x.xx.401.xx RUU) - thus convert it to WWE version to use all available roms and get OTA updates for xx.xx.401.xx version? And still catch the signal/3G and so on? Or it will cause problems and i need to stick to Verizon firmware and roms?
No.
Like I told you in another thread, you can't do it. But I didn't explain why.
Verizon and Sprint are CDMA models, WWE firmware is for GSM models. They are different devices.
It won't work.
As xunholys explained, the hardware is different (Verizon vs. WWE) and therefore the firmware is different. If you try to fully convert, it either won't work, or it will brick the phone.
Your best bet is probably to use a WWE based custom ROM, and change the kernel to make it work on Verizon. At least that is what a Verizon owner (using his phone on a non-VZN network) stated. You might check the Verizon specific forum section for more detail.
But you will not be able to add full "WWE" band compatibility. The band support is built into firmware; and the firmware is not cross-compatible.
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Hi guys,
Planning to buy the m8 and root it. But should I be specific on the variants?
Im not from the US (The Philippines) so Most likely not gonna get atnt, sprint etc.
So my options are:
The international model
Emea (a friend of mine is selling his but it was bought in riyad, KSA)
Or the asian version (s801 2.5ghz)
Do they have like different model nos.? Different ruus / rom versions etc?
Had a bad experience when i bought a phone (m7 sprint wls) before, since im not from the us. Had limited roms available compared to the international version
Your input would really help
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I would agree that you should not get a US variant. For one thing, they will be SIM locked. Another thing, the Sprint and Verizon versions are CDMA. Different software, and possibly different hardware (although its been discussed here, and not clear - but I would err on the side of caution and assume the hardware is different). So if your area does not use CDMA I would stay away from those variants.
All GSM versions, be aware that they can all be converted to another carrier variant once bootloader unlocked and S-off. So as long as you avoid the CDMA versions, you are good for ROMs.
I would suggest the version that supports your local 3G and LTE bands out of the box. But again, as long as you are willing to s-off the phone, you can change that in software. So if that is the case, I would just go with the best deal.
From what I understand, the Asian version is the same as any other GSM version, just with a slight overclock.
Well if you do go with a us carrier Verizon has the best coverage and thier phones are :not: sim locked. You can use them with any carrier anywhere. My second choice would be t-mobile
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Well if you do go with a us carrier Verizon has the best coverage
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The OP is from the Philippines. They aren't going to use a US carrier.
I would advise against CDMA variants for the reasons already mentioned.
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The OP is from the Philippines. They aren't going to use a US carrier.
I would advise against CDMA variants for the reasons already mentioned.
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Thanks guys, I just want to be clear, so if I use a Rom or RUU on a GSM variant, as long as Im'm on S-Off / Unlocked Bootloader and/ or on SuperCID. I could use any Rom ./ RUU from different GSM variants (I checked the rooting guide for the M8 and is similar to the M7, so as far as unlocking the bootloader / root that I have an idea).
Do they have different RUUs at all??
Czai24 said:
I just want to be clear, so if I use a Rom or RUU on a GSM variant, as long as Im'm on S-Off / Unlocked Bootloader and/ or on SuperCID.
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Yes.
Aside from the CDMA RUUs, which I wouldn't try on a GSM version unless you read definitive advice elsewhere that its ok.
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Do they have different RUUs at all??
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Only US versions have RUU, that I know of.
Yes you're right.
I thought all has ruus on it. But with supercid i could use any nandroid backup right? As long as its gsm
I think I will go for the Asian version (wwe right? Cause it has a higher clockspeed and updated s801) And go supercid and use international (gsm) roms. Will that work?
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Czai24 said:
with supercid i could use any nandroid backup right? As long as its gsm
I think I will go for the Asian version (wwe right? Cause it has a higher clockspeed and updated s801) And go supercid and use international (gsm) roms. Will that work?
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I believe that will work, yes.
WWE just means "world wide English". I think it refers to the Euro version.
Hello guys! I'm thinking of buying a Harman Kardon SIM unlocked M8, but I've one serious question.
Is every ROM/Kernel cross flashable? Can I flash everything here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/development) on it?
Sorry for the noob question, but please help me!
Harmon Kardon edition is Sprint, which is a US carrier with a CDMA network. Unless your local carrier is CDMA-based, I would not advise buying this version. The HK edition is known as a "CDMA" variant (along with the Verizon version). Yes, it does include some GSM support (mainly for Sprint customers while travelling abroad) but its different hardware from just about every other M8 version (which are known as "GSM" versions of the M8).
For the HK edition, you should only flash ROMs specifically intended for the Sprint variant. And that is part of the reason I would not recommend buying this version. Your choice or ROMs would be more limited, and you are better off with a "GSM" M8. Also, radios are interchangeable on the GSM versions, but can't be flashed to the CDMA variants. Meaning for the most part, band compatibility is set on the CDMA version, while on the GSM version, you can flash radios from other carriers and change band compatibility (if you need to do so to get service on your local carrier).
The HK audio mod can be flashed to just about any other M8 version, its just a software mod. So the only desirable thing (if you are not on a CDMA carrier) about the HK edition would be if you like the color scheme, or the HK earbuds.
And no, ROMs and kernels are not all cross-compatible. Sense kernels only work on Sense ROMs, AOSP kernels on AOSP ROMs, etc. Also, you can't mix a KitKat ROM with a Lollipop kernel, and so on. When in doubt, read the kernel thread to check for details.
I am looking to buy an HTC One M8, which would the community recommend? I am on AT&T but I love to root, and install CM, and other ROMS to any phone I own. Which Variant would be best for me? Or are they all supported under CM and custom recoveries? Thanks!
Also if anyone has one on the cheap let me know
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I am looking to buy an HTC One M8, which would the community recommend? I am on AT&T but I love to root, and install CM, and other ROMS to any phone I own. Which Variant would be best for me? Or are they all supported under CM and custom recoveries? Thanks!
Also if anyone has one on the cheap let me know
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The M9 is due out soon, might wait for that one.
Hondo209 said:
The M9 is due out soon, might wait for that one.
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I was thinking about that, the problem is I always end up getting a phone a generation behind the newest thing! Lol m9 looks amazing though!!
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I am looking to buy an HTC One M8, which would the community recommend? I am on AT&T but I love to root, and install CM, and other ROMS to any phone I own. Which Variant would be best for me? Or are they all supported under CM and custom recoveries? Thanks!
Also if anyone has one on the cheap let me know
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For the most part, I'd say whatever variant you can get for a good price. All the M8's (known as "GSM M8") are the same hardware internally aside from the following exceptions:
1) Dual SIM M8
2) Verizon/Sprint variants. These include CDMA radio, so different hardware. No benefit for you on AT&T, and less selection of ROMs.
3) Taiwan variant. Hardware is the same, but its overclocked out of the box. Some software from the other M8 versions won't work on this variant (including radios).
Aside from the variants above, all the M8 versions are essentially the same hardware, with minor differences of exterior color availability, and carrier logos on the back of some. Once bootloader is unlocked (and preferably s-off) you can flash CM to any of the versions.
One thing to note, AFAIK any M8 that has hboot 3.19 cannot be s-off by sunshine (and that is the only s-off method). Band compatibility for the various carriers/regions is software based on the M8. However, if you need to flash the radio to change band compatibility on a non-AT&T M8 variant, you will need s-off to do so. So unless you have a way of knowing what hboot is on the version you are buying, I tend to say that you might want to choose either the AT&T version or Dev Edition, to guarantee band compatibility on AT&T's network. Both of which fully support AT&T bands out of the box.
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For the most part, I'd say whatever variant you can get for a good price. All the M8's (known as "GSM M8") are the same hardware internally aside from the following exceptions:
1) Dual SIM M8
2) Verizon/Sprint variants. These include CDMA radio, so different hardware. No benefit for you on AT&T, and less selection of ROMs.
3) Taiwan variant. Hardware is the same, but its overclocked out of the box. Some software from the other M8 versions won't work on this variant (including radios).
Aside from the variants above, all the M8 versions are essentially the same hardware, with minor differences of exterior color availability, and carrier logos on the back of some. Once bootloader is unlocked (and preferably s-off) you can flash CM to any of the versions.
One thing to note, AFAIK any M8 that has hboot 3.19 cannot be s-off by sunshine (and that is the only s-off method). Band compatibility for the various carriers/regions is software based on the M8. However, if you need to flash the radio to change band compatibility on a non-AT&T M8 variant, you will need s-off to do so. So unless you have a way of knowing what hboot is on the version you are buying, I tend to say that you might want to choose either the AT&T version or Dev Edition, to guarantee band compatibility on AT&T's network. Both of which fully support AT&T bands out of the box.
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Right so, Verizon M8 wouldn't work on AT&T? That sucks. I knew Sprint wouldn't but Verizon is nearly compatible with AT&T by now, so thats sad lol
The best price is the Sprint variant, but thats because sprint phones do not have high resell value at all. People hate to deal with them completely and that solely makes the value go down...
I have not looked at the other variants but I will check them out! Thank you! I repaired a One today, It was a lot of work, but nearly any HTC Phone never looks or feels the same after a screen repair, because of that uni body.
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For the most part, I'd say whatever variant you can get for a good price. All the M8's (known as "GSM M8") are the same hardware internally aside from the following exceptions:
1) Dual SIM M8
2) Verizon/Sprint variants. These include CDMA radio, so different hardware. No benefit for you on AT&T, and less selection of ROMs.
3) Taiwan variant. Hardware is the same, but its overclocked out of the box. Some software from the other M8 versions won't work on this variant (including radios).
Aside from the variants above, all the M8 versions are essentially the same hardware, with minor differences of exterior color availability, and carrier logos on the back of some. Once bootloader is unlocked (and preferably s-off) you can flash CM to any of the versions.
One thing to note, AFAIK any M8 that has hboot 3.19 cannot be s-off by sunshine (and that is the only s-off method). Band compatibility for the various carriers/regions is software based on the M8. However, if you need to flash the radio to change band compatibility on a non-AT&T M8 variant, you will need s-off to do so. So unless you have a way of knowing what hboot is on the version you are buying, I tend to say that you might want to choose either the AT&T version or Dev Edition, to guarantee band compatibility on AT&T's network. Both of which fully support AT&T bands out of the box.
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I have a question. Does T-Mo work with WWE firmware. I'm unsure of this, and have never looked it up. I know that AT&T versions are compatible with 401 firmware. Is T-Mo the same?
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...One thing to note, AFAIK any M8 that has hboot 3.19 cannot be s-off by sunshine (and that is the only s-off method). ...
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but you could check with the seller if it is S-OFF already (as you can be S-OFF with 3.19 if it was already done) if thats what you are going to do anyway.
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Right so, Verizon M8 wouldn't work on AT&T? That sucks. I knew Sprint wouldn't but Verizon is nearly compatible with AT&T by now, so thats sad lol
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Verizon variant will work on AT&T GSM and HSPA network (in addition to being SIM-unlocked out of the box); however, it doesn't have all the LTE bands to work on AT&T in all regions. And while the "GSM" variants can have radio software flashed to change band compatibility, you can't do this on the "CDMA" variants (at least you can't flash a GSM radio on a CDMA variant to open up all the needed LTE bands).
Similar situation on Sprint version. Except I think the Sprint comes SIM locked out of the box (you will need to get it SIM unlocked). And also the LTE bands are different from the Verizon version, but still not all the bands needed to work on AT&T in all regions.
My point in highlighting the hardware difference (CDMA versus GSM variants) is not only are the radio basebands not interchangeable (as mentioned) but neither are the ROMs. For the CDMA versions, you should only flash ROMs that specify that version is supported. The GSM versions can flash any of the GSM ROMs, and there is a much wider selection.
Again, there isn't a benefit to either of the CDMA variants (for use on AT&T), and several critical downsides, so I generally don't recommend them to basically any user that isn't on the specific carrier (Verizon or Sprint).
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but you could check with the seller if it is S-OFF already (as you can be S-OFF with 3.19 if it was already done) if thats what you are going to do anyway.
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True, if the device is being sold second hand, you can (and should) always check to see if its already s-off.
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xunholyx said:
I have a question. Does T-Mo work with WWE firmware. I'm unsure of this, and have never looked it up. I know that AT&T versions are compatible with 401 firmware. Is T-Mo the same?
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Aside from the exceptions previously listed, all GSM M8's are the same hardware, and firmware should be interchangeable (with s-off). T-Mobile version should be able to flash WWE firmware. Although, if you want to be prudent, you can check and confirm to see if any T-Mobile owners have done so successfully.
Hi!
I just S-offed my T-mobile M8 today. Just have a question regarding LTE bands. I'm from the Philippines. I've noticed that my M8 variant is not compatible with the LTE bands supported by the carriers here in my country. I've done my research and saw that the T-Mobile M8 variant uses LTE bands 4 (1700/2100) and 17 (700). My carrier here operates at LTE Band 1 (2100) which is why I can only reach HSPA signal here. So is it possible for me to flash an asian firmware w/ radio update on my device so that I can access LTE connectivity here? If not, is there any other way to do so?
Thank you.
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So is it possible for me to flash an asian firmware w/ radio update on my device so that I can access LTE connectivity here?
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Yes.
Be sure to pick a firmware that supports not just your carrier's LTE band(s) but HSPA also, for full compatibility.
Also be sure to stick to the proper software version. You're most likely on Lollipop software, so only flash a Lollipop version firmware.
Depending on whether the firmware has been hacked, you may need to change your CID and MID to match the firmware.
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Yes.
Be sure to pick a firmware that supports not just your carrier's LTE band(s) but HSPA also, for full compatibility.
Also be sure to stick to the proper software version. You're most likely on Lollipop software, so only flash a Lollipop version firmware.
Depending on whether the firmware has been hacked, you may need to change your CID and MID to match the firmware.
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I see. Thank you. Would you happen to know a thread or repository where I can download the latest Asian firmware? I've searched the forums but found outdated ones.
I've already superCID my M8 and just flashed the GPE firmware that came with the stock Marshmallow ROM. So does this mean, if I want to flash official firmware, I will need to change both my CID and MID to match that of the firmware?
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I see. Thank you. Would you happen to know a thread or repository where I can download the latest Asian firmware? I've searched the forums but found outdated ones.
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If you give a CID or CIDs for the Asian version (or bettter yet, the correct software number), I may be able to find the firmware.
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I've already superCID my M8 and just flashed the GPE firmware that came with the stock Marshmallow ROM. So does this mean, if I want to flash official firmware, I will need to change both my CID and MID to match that of the firmware?
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If its official, YES it will check CID and MID.
Some firmwares may be hacked to remove these checks, or include a longer list of "acceptable" MIDs and CIDs. I believe the GPE firmware your refer to is hacked in one of those ways.
But official firmwares will always check CID and MID.
Hello devs is there going to be a rom that will work on volte? I'm running an HTC One M9 AT&T with dev edition ruu right at this moment but I have flashed everything from venom to insert coin to lineage, aicp, more, beanstalk...... None will work on VoLTE I have to either run 3g all the time or turn 4g off while I'm not using data it's very annoying cause I forget. I have been looking for a solution Nada. Please help if anyone has any suggestions. Thanks in advance!
The dev edition firmware doesn't support VoLTE. You need to use a branded firmware which has VoLTE enabled. It doesn't matter which rom you use as long as your firmware doesn't support this feature.
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The dev edition firmware doesn't support VoLTE. You need to use a branded firmware which has VoLTE enabled. It doesn't matter which rom you use as long as your firmware doesn't support this feature.
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Well the one I have is working its a dev edition but when I flash a custom ROM I have to turn off 4g to receive phone calls
As said before, the problem (normally) isn't which rom you flash. It's which firmware you use. If you convert your phone e.g. to the AT&T branded version and flash e.g. ViperOne, ICE or Leedroid, afterwards, you can use VoLTE.
The dev edition (just like the unbranded European and the unbranded Asian version) doesn't have VoLTE enabled by default. The stock rom of said firmware versions switches to 3G automatically as soon as you receive a phone call. I'm not sure why that feature doesn't work on your phone as soon as you flash a custom rom. From my own experiences, it's working fine on e.g. ViperOne.
I can confirm flippy, the wwe is capable of volte as I get it on O2. It would seem here in the UK you need a branded firmware to get onto volte BUT if you debrand the phone to wwe it can volte on any network.
For example ee say that only ee branded phones can use their volte, which is true because all other branded phones can only use 'their' networks volte as it is preprogrammed and cannot be changed by normal means.
If you root, change cid and debrand with another firmware then you can use any volte as it depends on the sim card in the phone.
On HTC devices custom roms just piggy back of the firmware that is pre installed. The rom is just another form of user interface for the device so in theory the rom 'should' be volte compatible providing the firmware installed before it was capable and unbranded. Remember that only "branded" devices can use the network unless its unlocked wwe. So if you had an att firmware and you flash a custom rom onto it then it is no longer branded and shouldn't be allowed.. If its previously unbranded and you flash a rom then it should be allowed. Needs testing..
A long winded way of telling you bugger all but I hope it makes the carriers requirements a tad clearer..
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I can confirm flippy, the wwe is capable of volte as I get it on O2. It would seem here in the UK you need a branded firmware to get onto volte BUT if you debrand the phone to wwe it can volte on any network.
For example ee say that only ee branded phones can use their volte, which is true because all other branded phones can only use 'their' networks volte as it is preprogrammed and cannot be changed by normal means.
If you root, change cid and debrand with another firmware then you can use any volte as it depends on the sim card in the phone.
On HTC devices custom roms just piggy back of the firmware that is pre installed. The rom is just another form of user interface for the device so in theory the rom 'should' be volte compatible providing the firmware installed before it was capable and unbranded. Remember that only "branded" devices can use the network unless its unlocked wwe. So if you had an att firmware and you flash a custom rom onto it then it is no longer branded and shouldn't be allowed.. If its previously unbranded and you flash a rom then it should be allowed. Needs testing..
A long winded way of telling you bugger all but I hope it makes the carriers requirements a tad clearer..
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Actually this is not true, or maybe your wwe it's actually not wwe.
I have s.rom custom rom, if I have 4.28.401.3 firmware volte isn't working(the function disappear from settings)
If I flash the Orange UK firmware(4.19.61.1) the VoLTE is working, and no I don't have Orange UK sim, I tested with Orange RO and Telekom RO.
Flashing a custom rom doesn't debrand the phone. The debranding process consists of
getting S-OFF
changing the CID to one that belongs to either SKU 617 (dev edition), 401 (unbranded European), 708 (unbranded Asian), 709 (another unbranded Asian) or 710 (unbranded Australian)
flashing either a RUU or one of Sneakyghost's firmware packs that belong to the CID you chose before
And you don't need to debrand for using other carriers with your phone. Only a sim unlock might be needed if the carrier branding contains a sim lock.
If you really use one of the unbranded firmwares then the M9 isn't capable of using VoLTE. That's why all the Jio customers from India convert their phones to either the AT&T or the T-Mobile US version.
Like @lucyr03 explained, it doesn't matter which carrier you use as long as the firmware of your phone is capable of VoLTE.
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Mine has htc_001 from factory so it is wwe. It was never branded and I get volte on 02 or ee depending on which sim I use.
To unbrand your phone you must flash either wwe euro or wwe usa firmware. All other firmwares are branded.
I was referring to this part of your last post:
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So if you had an att firmware and you flash a custom rom onto it then it is no longer branded and shouldn't be allowed.
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And there are more unbranded firmwares than the dev edition and the European unbranded one (which both aren't called wwe since that's an abbreviation for world wide English).