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I need some help in trying to find an app that requires a pass code or password to allow the device to shutdown and enter airplane mode. Why you may ask well because while my phone is protected against theft via Cerberus someone could easily shut it down or make it go into airplane mode if it required a pass code then a thief wouldn't be able to do so thus letting me track down the device. I know a battery pull could still make it all useless but my phones case an otter box defender is a bit hard to take off and they'll probably turn on the phone at some point if they where to pull the battery. Anyways if any one knows an app that could do this I would highly appreciate someone telling me what it is. Thanks in advance.
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I have an Otterbox Defender and it's quite simple to remove it, not hard at all.
Beyond that, if a thief was smart enough, they'd reinstall the battery and go into a method to factory reset it or write the ROM clean.
I understand your point of making things slightly more difficult, but nothing is theft proof, and as such, if they want it they'll take it.
Beyond that, even the best of trackers will not have the police knocking on doors to retrieve it... All the thief has to say is "I don't know what you're taking about" and refuse admittance in to his home.
No judge will authorize a warrant to enter a home to retrieve a cell phone that may or may not be there. GPS systems don't have pin point accuracy, so your phone could be next door or across the street.
So really theft trackers are ok, but slightly useless for retrieval methods.
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I've been curious as to whether it'd be possible to "write protect" your custom rom installs, essentially requiring a password to flash a new kernel or rom
Yeah I know nothing is theft proof but still I would like that little extra protection. And also I'm sure someone could make a recovery that could require a password. Someone should request that im pretty sure someone can do it with like twrp 2 and I would also rather have a thief steel a phone that's useless to them than something they could use.
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Avast Mobile Security writes the anti-theft to root. So even a factory reset the app will survive. and has sim detection.
Theft can just pull the battery that no one can stop. Unless you have a internal battery.
Yeah battery pull seems to be the only way to make any anti theft app useless and I use Cerberus which has a similar feature where even after you factory reset it will remain on the system pretty good considering I was able to get a free license to it
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I'm not sure anything will survive a new rom flash.
At least your data will be somewhat protected.
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Avast Mobile Security writes the anti-theft to root. So even a factory reset the app will survive. and has sim detection.
Theft can just pull the battery that no one can stop. Unless you have a internal battery.
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How does it write anti-theft to root? Do you mean it makes it a system app?
This is one of the only things I like about Apple, is that if your phone gets stolen, you can easily lock it, and nothing gets passed it unless you go to and Apple store.
I'm sure there's another method, but that would require good knowledge of computers and code and most thief's probably don't know about that stuff.
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Would be smarter to build an app to make it look as if the phone had shutdown. Especially since of they can't shut it down from the power menu then they would just pull the battery.
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FYI: Please don't get offended by me posting this thread. I searched and couldn't find anything dedicated to KNOX and discussions about it. So I created a thread where we can hammer out our ideas, and logic.
Firstly, here is a little video explaining what Samsung KNOX is:
My "cliff note" explanation of what KNOX is:
A virtual environment, on your phone, where running "un-approved" applications, will not affect the KNOX environment. In other words, it's like running a program like Virtual Box for your Note 3, and only pre-approved "limited" apps can run in this environment. In the video, it says how taking a picture, can be emailed and shared, yet outside of KNOX, you can't access this picture.
https://www.samsungknox.com/
KNOX has been in development for quite some time. What I have found out, it's like Fort Knox (get the pun?). Fort Knox is known to be impenetrable (http://ainulfarina.blogspot.com/2013/01/fort-knox-most-secure-vault-in-world.html). Samsung has partnered with various software and hardware companies to develop a platform for the infrastructure of business, with security in mind. We're talking about security on the hardware level. To market this, to tap into the business/enterprise world, using the Note 3 as the preferred paperless, go to device. To achieve this, they need sell the idea that security is king. However, they don't want to exclude the rest of the market of the common everyday individual. That's why Samsung tag line is "Work and play on one device".
This KNOX environment needs to be installed and set up. The desired list of apps would need to be pre-approved for your devise as part of the set-up process. I'm sure this is on an organizational level.
I have a couple of questions on KNOX which I hope the answer is Yes to both:
Will it work if the phone is un-rooted, but had been previously rooted?
Will it prevent MDM applications from reading personal stuff like installed text messages and other stuff outside of KNOX on the phone?
There are a few things that I'd like to do which requires root to do. A couple of examples, among many, are removing bloatware that can't be disabled and BT pairing a PS3 controller.
My employer has selected MobileIron for their MDM due to the head of Security having some relative there (nepotism) when there were plans to use and sell as a SaaS solution the less intrusive AirWatch. Interest in MobileIron by our customers is much lower than AirWatch since it doesn't fit into the SaaS model like our other services.
The big problem with MobileIron from an end user perspective is how intrusive it is. It logs everything and sends that info to the management server; this includes text messages. On company issued equipment, no privacy is to be expected however, that privacy is expected on my personal stuff. I'm told MobileIron has the capability to go through the phones storage and download anything.
I'll consider leveraging KNOX if those two questions have "Yes" as an answer. Frankly, my employer is being unreasonable with their mobile requirements (long story) and the head of Security maintains his ass as his hat with more power than he should because of his relationship with a VP or the CEO. I have been using an alternate method to the silliness of walking around with two phones that facilitates their electronic checks; I just don't advocate the solution.
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I have a couple of questions on KNOX which I hope the answer is Yes to both:
Will it work if the phone is un-rooted, but had been previously rooted?
Will it prevent MDM applications from reading personal stuff like installed text messages and other stuff outside of KNOX on the phone?
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I have many friends who have rooted their phones, but none that I know use the KNOX environment. Even using the Note 2 for a full year, this is the first time i've heard of KNOX when exploring my Note 3.
I also want to know if triggering the KNOX flag, can that environment still be accessed, or even installed?
I can only assume the answer would be "yes" to your second questions, since it's a separate environment altogether. I understand that anything done outside KNOX mode is excluded from effecting it, however wouldn't it be the same from within?
To answer your first question, we would need someone who rooted their phone, and simply select KNOX from the app drawer, go through the install process and find out.
While I haven't chosen to activate or use Knox, I believe you are limited to installing apps from the Knox store. You can see the apps available on the store at the Knox Website.
Not only will Knox basically run all apps in a sandbox, it will only run Knox approved apps, further locking down the possibility of something bad being installed. You can't even take a screen shot in the Knox environment. Think of it as a locked down virtual box on your phone, that separates your work life from your private, and protects the work related data.
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I also want to know if triggering the KNOX flag, can that environment still be accessed, or even installed?
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Once the KNOX WARRANTY VOID bootloader flag is set to 0x1, the phone is considered compromised and the KNOX secure container cannot be created. In other words, once you root, the KNOX sandbox will never function again.
The flag is there for exactly this purpose - to disallow compromised devices from accessing secure apps and systems that require sandboxing; the fact Samsung also started using it to deny warranty claims is a side effect caused by their greed.
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Once the KNOX WARRANTY VOID bootloader flag is set to 0x1, the phone is considered compromised and the KNOX secure container cannot be created. In other words, once you root, the KNOX sandbox will never function again.
The flag is there for exactly this purpose - to disallow compromised devices from accessing secure apps and systems that require sandboxing; the fact Samsung also started using it to deny warranty claims is a side effect caused by their greed.
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I really think Samsung should of had a business line of Note 3 devices, as compared to every phone having the Knox "container", I think it's a contributing Factor to the bootloop issues that are widespread and creating more headaches than it's worth.
There's going to be a very small population of users that will actually consider even using Knox, yet as stated, is creating major issues in the Note 3 community.
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What was Samsung thinking of putting KNOX on the Note 3s with unlocked bootloaders? If simply rooting the phone triggers the KNOX flag, permanently flagging the phone for any future dealings with this secure mode for businesses, wouldn't it be simpler to only have the flag if rooted?
So if your phone is not rooted, then you can install KNOX. If you phone currently is rooted, then no KNOX.
My fear is that other companies, that don't like people rooting the phones where their apps are installed on, might hop on this, and consider this as a solution.
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knox flag is the same thing as the note ii warranty flag. wtf do they call it knox
anyway its bs i cant use knox if im rooted
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Once the KNOX WARRANTY VOID bootloader flag is set to 0x1, the phone is considered compromised and the KNOX secure container cannot be create.... the fact Samsung also started using it to deny warranty claims is a side effect caused by their greed.
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Just open the phone, use some fine wires to pump enough voltage and current into it to fry some stuff. Make it look like a charger or battery issue. Warranty still "valid". They want to screw us, we can screw back.
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Just open the phone, use some fine wires to pump enough voltage and current into it to fry some stuff. Make it look like a charger or battery issue. Warranty still "valid". They want to screw us, we can screw back.
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So I wasn't the only one. Did this once back in the Nokia 2110 days. They got smart and put tamper proof stickers on them these days. Some I heard even hide them.
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You can root, install ROMs, trigger all the trip wires they have, and if something does go wrong, or there is a real issue that has nothing to do with rooting like dust under the screen, but now Samsung refuses to honor the warranty because the Knox is void, try to install a ROM that is not for the phone and hard brick it. 100% no chance of it ever booting again. No tamper evidence of opening the phone. "Gee Samsung I don't know what happened. I went to turn it on, and nothing happens. I'm under warranty, so I'll send it in for repair." "Hello customer, We confirm the phone will not turn on. We are replacing it for you under warranty. Here is your new phone." Hmm.. I can see people doing this because Samsung is trying to avoid warranty claims for legit issues.
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You can root, install ROMs, trigger all the trip wires they have, and if something does go wrong, or there is a real issue that has nothing to do with rooting like dust under the screen, but now Samsung refuses to honor the warranty because the Knox is void, try to install a ROM that is not for the phone and hard brick it. 100% no chance of it ever booting again. No tamper evidence of opening the phone. "Gee Samsung I don't know what happened. I went to turn it on, and nothing happens. I'm under warranty, so I'll send it in for repair." "Hello customer, We confirm the phone will not turn on. We are replacing it for you under warranty. Here is your new phone." Hmm.. I can see people doing this because Samsung is trying to avoid warranty claims for legit issues.
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Actually, Samsung will still fix a KNOX-tripped device, as long as it's under 12-months old, just not for FREE. You pay shipping + materials + labor, which is still way better than having to a re-buy a new $700 device. We can argue all day that Samsung shouldn't be "lame" in refusing to fix certain hardware problems that could not possibly be blamed on rooting & ROMming, but that's their right.
(Read Samsung's warranty fine-print yourself if you'd like)
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Actually, Samsung will still fix a KNOX-tripped device, as long as it's under 12-months old, just not for FREE. You pay shipping + materials + labor, which is still way better than having to a re-buy a new $700 device. We can argue all day that Samsung shouldn't be "lame" in refusing to fix certain hardware problems that could not possibly be blamed on rooting & ROMming, but that's their right.
(Read Samsung's warranty fine-print yourself if you'd like)
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That's like saying buying a laptop that comes with Windows and then installing Linux on it voids the warranty. They are getting absurd amounts of money from us, it's just pure greed on their part.
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That's like saying buying a laptop that comes with Windows and then installing Linux on it voids the warranty. They are getting absurd amounts of money from us, it's just pure greed on their part.
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PC makers would do the same if they could. They started down that road with Trusted Computing and secureboot, but PCs have historically been more open.
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I really think Samsung should of had a business line of Note 3 devices, as compared to every phone having the Knox "container".
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I TOTALLY agree! Again, why would the brain-heads over at Sammys have this KNOX crap on all their flag ship phones, with unlocked bootloaders? Wouldn't it make more sense to sell a business/enterprise Note 3 directly to businesses with this KNOX crap pre-installed with locked bootloaders, and leave us flag ship unlocked bootloaders alone.
GEEZUS! [face-palm] It just doesn't make sense.
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I'm telling you all. If this doesn't get bypassed somehow, and it remains completely permanent, other companies will eventually get on board with this nonsense. Especially DRM with music and video. This KNOX flag just might stand the test, and remain.
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Knox seems to me, to be a bit of a redundant idea.
If you cannot protect your own device, because let's be serious security starts at the USER not some software you have installed, then watch the websites you visit and the apps you load from third parties.
Knox is a false sense of security if you ask me. It makes the inexperienced user feel like their device is impenetrable, which it isn't.
Its like a desktop, your desktop will only be as secure as you make it, based on how you use it. There will always be security threats, always. You need to learn how to protect YOURSELF rather than depend on some bogus app.
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Knox seems to me, to be a bit of a redundant idea.
If you cannot protect your own device, because let's be serious security starts at the USER not some software you have installed, then watch the websites you visit and the apps you load from third parties.
Knox is a false sense of security if you ask me. It makes the inexperienced user feel like their device is impenetrable, which it isn't.
Its like a desktop, your desktop will only be as secure as you make it, based on how you use it. There will always be security threats, always. You need to learn how to protect YOURSELF rather than depend on some bogus app.
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I think you misunderstand the purpose of knox. Knox does not exist to provide security to the end user. Knox is for BYOD business environments. Because the devices are user not employer provided, it would be an administrative nightmare to inspect every device that users want to bring into the corporate environment. By leveraging knox, a company can institute a policy that user provided devices cannot have the knox flag tripped if they want access to the corporate network resources and applications. Trip the flag, no access for you.
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I think you misunderstand the purpose of knox. Knox does not exist to provide security to the end user. Knox is for BYOD business environments. Because the devices are user not employer provided, it would be an administrative nightmare to inspect every device that users want to bring into the corporate environment. By leveraging knox, a company can institute a policy that user provided devices cannot have the knox flag tripped if they want access to the corporate network resources and applications. Trip the flag, no access for you.
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I agree, however it should be more a toggle than a permanent switch. Example, if your device is presently rooted with a custom recovery, then no knox. If your device was rooted but not anymore with oem recovery, then yes to knox.
This permanent flag is disheartening.
However, I can envision using this as a good selling point. Taking a pic of your phone's screen for ebay, showing to the world it has NEVER been rooted. I guess you would have proof.
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My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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there are other methods to root. id suggust look through the forum if you can only b.c i cant rmr the name, i think its la something vega or vegas. i came from the htc one so the roms here are so much different.
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Naturesretard said:
My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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there are other methods to root. id suggust look through the forum if you can only b.c i cant rmr the name, i think its la something vega or vegas. i came from the htc one so the roms here are so much different.
id recommend you get the note three
Short answer. Yes. Best phone I've ever owned.
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ty for the replies guys. Should I just wait a month or two before rooting? I played with the handset instore for a little and it doesn't feel like it needs rooting right away.
I'm concerned about KNOX. I don't think I'll have to do any warranty exchanges, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm far too lazy to unroot my s3, so I'm just gonna try and swap it while it's still rooted. if they give me problems I'll just unroot it then take it to another store
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ty for the replies guys. Should I just wait a month or two before rooting? I played with the handset instore for a little and it doesn't feel like it needs rooting right away.
I'm concerned about KNOX. I don't think I'll have to do any warranty exchanges, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm far too lazy to unroot my s3, so I'm just gonna try and swap it while it's still rooted. if they give me problems I'll just unroot it then take it to another store
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I'd wait to root. The phone is so much fun, as it is. And the whole Knox thing is a bother worth avoiding, for now. I could see it being worth rooting if there were reliable KitKat roms with TouchWiz. But there aren't. So why bother, for now?
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I'd wait to root. The phone is so much fun, as it is. And the whole Knox thing is a bother worth avoiding, for now. I could see it being worth rooting if there were reliable KitKat roms with TouchWiz. But there aren't. So why bother, for now?
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For me rooting is about debloating the phone. Either by removing bloat or (as i have done with the Note 3) just freeze them for now. This gets a very noticeable increase in battery life. Also some mods can be nice. I like a very clean ROM with optimizations to battery and UI. The Kernel can be optimized too but like a stock kernel usually.
I'm coming from the VZW S4 running CleanROM and Bonestock but right now on the Note 3 I'm Rooted on Stock, with Bloat frozen and getting 7-10% battery drain per hour of screen on time (at 35% brightness) depending on what I'm doing.
i am curious how people like this phone, especially compared to the Note 2 and Galaxy S4. i thought the Note 2 was probably my favorite ever, the stock UI was smooth and battery life was excellent. i used the S4 briefly and found it a bit clunky and laggy with all those fancy features(although battery life seemed excellent).
so, how would you say the Note 3 is in these regards?
Phones awesome. Get it. No downsides whatsoever on this phone, sexy build, power, speed, removeable battery and SD card, great stock battery. Big ass sexy 1080 screen, what more do you really want or need from a phone?
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My S4 was fine with the slightest of lag stock out of the box. I have the VZW variant from launch day (May 23rd) and i never took an OTA. With that said the 2 ROMs i used 100% wiped out any remaining lag. My S4 was pretty much perfect for me. The reason I am now on a Note 3 is i took advantage of Tmo paying off ETF. So why not upgrade to the Note 3 instead of making a lateral move?
That said, the Note 3 is AMAZING. It's much snappier and faster. I am Rooted with TWRP but stock ROM with just bloat frozen. It has better battery life and the spen functionality is really good. If you haven't you should really watch some YouTube vids to really see it in action. A 5 inch screen is most ideal but I have large hands so 5.7 is nicer for me as i do consume a lot of content (Youtube, SlingBox, Netflix). This wile still on the stock ROM too. I think anyone coming from the S4 or Note 2 will be very happy and would think of it as a worthy upgrade not a marginal one.
To the op question ~ I'm still torn between my Note 2 and this. The volume on this is so low that Samsung is practically begging you to root this phone just for that.
Tough call imo both are good. I believe you can still get the N2 pre 4.3 and not have to worry about Knox.
Software side its the small things that bug the hell out of me like having a white dialer and not being able to open internet pages in the background. Things like this that are enough to piss off the Pope!
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To the op question ~ I'm still torn between my Note 2 and this. The volume on this is so low that Samsung is practically begging you to root this phone just for that.
Tough call imo both are good. I believe you can still get the N2 pre 4.3 and not have to worry about Knox.
Software side its the small things that bug the hell out of me like having a white dialer and not being able to open internet pages in the background. Things like this that are enough to piss off the Pope!
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I ended up getting it. I had to go back 3 times because my IMEI didn't reflect my account thru my warranty exchange. Went back today and handed in my s3 still rooted. The first 2 they actually checked if it booted, the 3rd just went ahead and did it. But to be fair he was there the other 2 times and was helping me then too. But they didn't go through any menus or anything to verify if modified or not. Just a 3 point inspection: No water damage, Boots, No cracks in the glass.
playing with it for a while..... Holy **** this thing is fast. I though I had stable quick roms on my s3... this thing just ZOOMS. I managed to lock it up once learning an spen feature, but only a mild hiccup. Aside from that I absolutely LOVE this phone. SO worth the minor 9$ bill increase. I can't wait to see what sammy drops for this. I'm surprised kitkat isn't an ota right now. I see no reason why it can't handle it.
Booted into download mode to see what was up. knox hasn't been tripped. I really want to try rooting just to see if I can debloat a little bit, but I'm a little worried to even mess with it. Do we know for sure if it's an eFuse or just software?
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I ended up getting it. I had to go back 3 times because my IMEI didn't reflect my account thru my warranty exchange. Went back today and handed in my s3 still rooted. The first 2 they actually checked if it booted, the 3rd just went ahead and did it. But to be fair he was there the other 2 times and was helping me then too. But they didn't go through any menus or anything to verify if modified or not. Just a 3 point inspection: No water damage, Boots, No cracks in the glass.
playing with it for a while..... Holy **** this thing is fast. I though I had stable quick roms on my s3... this thing just ZOOMS. I managed to lock it up once learning an spen feature, but only a mild hiccup. Aside from that I absolutely LOVE this phone. SO worth the minor 9$ bill increase. I can't wait to see what sammy drops for this. I'm surprised kitkat isn't an ota right now. I see no reason why it can't handle it.
Booted into download mode to see what was up. knox hasn't been tripped. I really want to try rooting just to see if I can debloat a little bit, but I'm a little worried to even mess with it. Do we know for sure if it's an eFuse or just software?
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If all my reading is correct Root De La Vega will root without tripping Knox counter to 0x1.... it will stay 0x0 but the CF-auto root i think may trip Knox just with rooting. BUT... if you put any custom recovery on it like TWRP or CWM that will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. Knox is an eFuse, its hardware i believe the eFuse is in the Snapdragon 800 chip.
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If all my reading is correct Root De La Vega will root without tripping Knox counter to 0x1.... it will stay 0x0 but the CF-auto root i think may trip Knox just with rooting. BUT... if you put any custom recovery on it like TWRP or CWM that will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. Knox is an eFuse, its hardware i believe the eFuse is in the Snapdragon 800 chip.
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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There is talk that it can be reset by Samsung, but nothing specific, I rooted via de la Vega and stayed stock to get some basic access without any issues. Very happy with the phone like it is and have no urge to try other roms.
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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I think Root De La Vega you're safe but not if you put a custom recovery on. just going to have to read through the post. and others can chime in if they did it that way. I put custom recovery on my phone right away so i just used CF-Auto root so i can't confirm from my experiences.
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i am curious how people like this phone, especially compared to the Note 2 and Galaxy S4. i thought the Note 2 was probably my favorite ever, the stock UI was smooth and battery life was excellent. i used the S4 briefly and found it a bit clunky and laggy with all those fancy features(although battery life seemed excellent).
so, how would you say the Note 3 is in these regards?
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Everything about the note 3 is superior to the note 2(except audio lol), screen is crisp and brighter, more storage for games and apps, apps2sd is back!!, snapdragon800 soc is friggin insane even tho i do give props to sammys exynos soc, better build quality, better battery life.
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Note 3
YES! I had my Sprint S3 stolen.... so glad I spent my hard earned money to switch to T-Mobile and to get the Note 3. Best choice I made in years!!!
Hey guys, so I just went to a tmobile store to trade my phone in on the Jump Program and the associate said I'll be right back I have to scan your ID and hook your phone up to my computer for a second. He returned a moment later saying that my phone was not eligible to trade in because his computer said my phone had been rooted or jail broken. He asked if I had rooted it and I lied and said no. Now I didn't remove the root or TWRP from my phone because I never ever had them check all I did was restore my TWRP backup I took of stock when I first rooted my device. I am baffeled. I had no clue they were even doing this now. Anyone have any experience with this? I am going home to completely unroot and then go to a different store and try again. Are the carriers getting this smart now? I searched but hadn't found any similar experiences
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Interesting. Was your Knox tripped as well?
The phone rooted or not shows with "MyTmobile" app under "device management". You will see a warning about the device is no longer secure. So yes, Tmobile knows. TWRP tripped the Knox warranty to 0x1. So unless you could find some unexpirienced csr even the warranty is voided.
Some say it doesn't matter but it does now for Tmobile.
jondoe27 said:
The phone rooted or not shows with "MyTmobile" app under "device management". You will see a warning about the device is no longer secure. So yes, Tmobile knows. TWRP tripped the Knox warranty to 0x1. So unless you could find some unexpirienced csr even the warranty is voided.
Some say it doesn't matter but it does now for Tmobile.
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Yes they do have system apps that spy on device status and some other thing but that's another story. Its not just their apps but the system apps located in the app manager under all apps. You should notice that there are 3 apps(system that will auto start even if force closed and can not be disabled/removed unless super user access. Also log you GPS coordinates and more. Should notice a jump in CPU and mabile data usuage upon unlock/lock and power on/off/reboot. Logging with/out data enabled. And funniest is ota patches for tether exploits or data hack/mods but still not chance of getting a simple android update ota lmao. As for warranty least jump/replacement so far hasent effected it on me end probably because how much their making on these phones now since the manufacturers been cut out lol. Could change I'd flash the ota before either jumping or replacements is possible.
Forced me to root.
Right, of course, TWRP tripped Knox. So they're checking, be advised. Root only without tripping and don't run a custom recovery.
rawdaddymagraden said:
Hey guys, so I just went to a tmobile store to trade my phone in on the Jump Program and the associate said I'll be right back I have to scan your ID and hook your phone up to my computer for a second. He returned a moment later saying that my phone was not eligible to trade in because his computer said my phone had been rooted or jail broken. He asked if I had rooted it and I lied and said no. Now I didn't remove the root or TWRP from my phone because I never ever had them check all I did was restore my TWRP backup I took of stock when I first rooted my device. I am baffeled. I had no clue they were even doing this now. Anyone have any experience with this? I am going home to completely unroot and then go to a different store and try again. Are the carriers getting this smart now? I searched but hadn't found any similar experiences
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Was able to replace my note other day but had to install Ota and stock recovery. Side note I also downgraded back to Ota kk from lp no issues. Least this time. Set up was Ota this time. But on note 3 had custom rom lp but had hidden su binary temp, and hid su and other apps from being seen by Android via search bar and install devices. Oh and never had installed/updated or enabled any tmobile Knox or lookout apps. Device status stayed official offlinedevice) and online under device status. Even with xposed installed(status fix) no issues. But again have to hide stuff and never allow their Spyware aka device manager(the main issue) lookout kies and knox. Can try and see if u downgrading from lp to fix/reset knox. Since then system updated and noticed harder to keep them from spying.
Ps never do the device diagnostics. Smh data mining with a pinch of Spyware lol. Still track your things when you opt out but least your have a legal way to sue if we get chance. Opting out don't mean crap sadly. Thought Google put an end to bloat ware and mucking up android after they released lollipop. But ig we still can dream for that day
Ps Ps twrp was issue for knox being tripped people lol is when you root device and/or install rom/recovery. Thank Sammy for charging 600 or 800 then voiding warranty when you do decide to root device(I did simply to fix stuff broken in lp and the ton of cap Sammy messed up or deleted)
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The phone rooted or not shows with "MyTmobile" app under "device management". You will see a warning about the device is no longer secure. So yes, Tmobile knows. TWRP tripped the Knox warranty to 0x1. So unless you could find some unexpirienced csr even the warranty is voided.
Some say it doesn't matter but it does now for Tmobile.
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Yes, Knox was tripped but that wasn't the issue. I ended up calling my friend who works in a T-Mobile store and explained the issue to him. He said " yeah we have a computer in the back that we can hook your phone up to and check if your rooted or jail broken but I have never heard of anyone actually using it! He said to remove root and custom recovery and go to his store. He said they won't check at my store but just do it to be safe. So I went home and odin flashed back to stock and went to his store. His store did it in 10 minutes no problem. They didn't even take it into the back like they did at the other store.
Lesson is that it depends on what store you go to. They have the capability to check but if they do or not depends on the store. Also the guy at the original store said that his machine would know if it was rooted even if it was undone. Don't know if this is true or he was bluffing lol. Just wanted to share my experience with the community.
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Interesting. Was your Knox tripped as well?
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rawdaddymagraden said:
Hey guys, so I just went to a tmobile store to trade my phone in on the Jump Program and the associate said I'll be right back I have to scan your ID and hook your phone up to my computer for a second. He returned a moment later saying that my phone was not eligible to trade in because his computer said my phone had been rooted or jail broken. He asked if I had rooted it and I lied and said no. Now I didn't remove the root or TWRP from my phone because I never ever had them check all I did was restore my TWRP backup I took of stock when I first rooted my device. I am baffeled. I had no clue they were even doing this now. Anyone have any experience with this? I am going home to completely unroot and then go to a different store and try again. Are the carriers getting this smart now? I searched but hadn't found any similar experiences
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Umm, first things first, never let anyone take your cellphone out of your sight to "check" it. I don't care if you have nothing to hide on that device, that is not proper procedure for any cell phone store. That dude was most likely looking for nudes on your phone while "in the back", and if there were any, you can be sure they're now in his possession. Not to mention he probably read through most of your texts, since that's where the nudes would most likely be.
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Umm, first things first, never let anyone take your cellphone out of your sight to "check" it. I don't care if you have nothing to hide on that device, that is not proper procedure for any cell phone store. That dude was most likely looking for nudes on your phone while "in the back", and if there were any, you can be sure they're now in his possession. Not to mention he probably read through most of your texts, since that's where the nudes would most likely be.
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Thanks for the concern But I was going to tmobile with the intent of jumping to another phone so I had already factory reset to wipe all my data before going to the store. This is my regular practice.
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rawdaddymagraden said:
Thanks for the concern But I was going to tmobile with the intent of jumping to another phone so I had already factory reset to wipe all my data before going to the store. This is my regular practice.
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That's all well and fine, but it doesn't change the fact that they should never have taken the phone "in the back" out of your sight for any reason. The time I Jump'd a phone, they gave me my new device and a padded envelope to send in my trade-in, they never took my old device from my possession.
This is new, never happen to me, I just go and trade for new devices. I guess it's difference now.
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This is new, never happen to me, I just go and trade for new devices. I guess it's difference now.
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Everywhere I read about how people are afraid to trip KNOX, will flashing this trip it.. YES what I understand is that FLASHING anything that is an Unofficial Recovery or Kernel is what will trip this security feature, TRIPPING KNOX will DISABLE SAMSUNG PAY
Samsung Pay relies on the security features of KNOX. Once KNOX is tripped you can't go back.
1st question is how can we make an Official Kernel with ROOT...???
2nd question is what makes it Official to begin with..???????,
no where have I seen any forum discuss how these companies make Official Firmware and kernels, Seems like every phone company can alter Official Firmware and kernels to suit the needs and its still an Official update and does not trip KNOX.
Just curious as to the inner workings on being Official. Would be nice to see a Official Rooted Kernel kind of like the leaked T-Mobile Engineering Kernel but even it was limited in ways.
Anyway about KNOX... trip it.
If you are just using your phone for personal and like custom roms tripping KNOX means nothing and its OKAY.
If your going to use Samsung Pay then step away from ROOT and don't look back. Tripping Knox is not for you.
As far as I can tell the only people who can't root are the people who work for big business and have work related files on their phones, KNOX is going to make a partition and keep all this stuff secret for them so if you rooted your phone and work for lets say the "Department of Defense" chances of you getting fired and your phone destroyed are like 100% so if your the sole owner of your phone and like to tinker with custom roms TRIP KNOX its okay, I just wish we had a way to make Official Firmware and Kernels but I can see problems for big business if we did.
Not to be mean, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I am only saying that so that anyone else reading this knows that.
"Official Kernel With Root" is not going to happen.
If you trip Knox, you will not be able to use Samsung features such as Samsung Pay. This is important to a number of people.
You really should do some research before posting.
Your not being mean at all but you did not answer either, why is it not going to happen? I would like to know what makes it official and why can't it be done?
I get Samsung pay users, but for those who Root usually are going to flash custom roms and don't care about that feature, if your using Samsung pay then you need KNOX to keep your data secure. I will edit the OP and state the facts for those who don't already know about this.
It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1
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It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1
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So true, but I been looking at this 2 ways, as what I read and heard from Samsung about KNOX is you have software which is what the security Suite of apps is all about, it handles all the security features, the KNOX (EFUSE) when rooted or phone is set to custom trips the KNOX Counter which Samsung told me in an email its not connected to the Software Suite for Security, its in place to tell them (Samsung) that the phone has been altered, which VOIDS the WARRANTY and Samsung can refuse to fix your phone. I am trying to get more answers from Samsung about why Samsung Pay stops working if this (Efuse) KNOX Counter is tripped, so far they say the Counter is not related to the software suite. I get no direct answer about it. They don't claim is stops Samsung Pay from working but they really don't tell me why it does stop it either.
UPDATE: " just got an email back from a tech at Samsung, tells me if phone is rooted or custom or if the knox counter is 0x1 you can not install samsung pay, told me the counter is part of the security being used in the Knox Suite." So I guess they are linked then.
Well i see what your getting at i think, but seems like no one has had an issue getting a replacement device with knox tripped. And samsung pay does not even open after tripping when it previously worked. So someone is lying.
Look at all the problems with apple pay. If you dont want your bank account tapped or credit cards maxxed dont break knox. On my opinion its not even that great of a feature, most banks dont support it, and many card terminals wont either until they get updated.
I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.
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I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.
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I am still a newbie at this , I rooted my moto razor when I first got it, best damn phone at the time, then I got into Samsung because the camera was better, first Samsung was the S4, what an upgrade from moto... I rooted and tweaked it and never left Android 4.2.2, its still that way, but I wanted a better camera and thought everyone was all happy about lollipop so I got a S6, which it has KNOX, my old s4 has no knox not even in the bootloader, I used triangle away to reset the binary counter but with this S6 I am torn between root or no root, am I going to custom it out or stick around to see if Samsung Pay will actually work out. Rooting does have a purpose but if manufacturers would just let us get rid of bloat maybe the phones could be ours. I also wondered about if rooting would leave your phone open to security risks, I thought you had to grant root access to get into the sandbox.???
I disabled everything i dont use so almost feels like no bloat lol. If you open knox you can set it to be a launcher and have a different set of apps, background and so on. Its nice to keep work separate from regular life. But with root you can achieve a lot of cool things. But after years of rooting and custom roms i am happy with a vanilla phone........ for know haha