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8MP versus 6.5MP Widescreen?

I just noticed at the full 8MP resolution setting the pictures are not Widescreen. Is there a big difference resolution wise between the two? I prefer the look of the 6.5MP Widescreen on the phone but don't want to sacrifice too much resolution in case I want to print the pictures. I don't see a difference on the phone between the two resolution wise but the phone's screen resolution is so low it is hard to tell. Any advice on which setting is best?
Thanks!

dcam1075 said:
I just noticed at the full 8MP resolution setting the pictures are not Widescreen. Is there a big difference resolution wise between the two? I prefer the look of the 6.5MP Widescreen on the phone but don't want to sacrifice too much resolution in case I want to print the pictures. I don't see a difference on the phone between the two resolution wise but the phone's screen resolution is so low it is hard to tell. Any advice on which setting is best?
Thanks!
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You will only notice the difference when you blow up the picture beyond its own dimensions. Megapixels have really nothing to do with quality. Sure higher megapixels mean a larger resolution, what really matters is the sensor. As long as there is enough light, you should get some great looking pictures. The rest is personal preference.

Why not shoot full, and crop those you'd prefer wider later?

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Why not shoot full, and crop those you'd prefer wider later?
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I mostly view the pictures on the phone and at the full 8MP they don't fill the screen when viewing them. That was my reason for wanting to use the 6.5MP Widescreen mode, I just didn't want to lose quality if I later wanted to print those same images at 8x10.

The HTC One X Camera Support thread

Hello everyone,
I’ve decided to start this thread to ask for your help in creating a central One X Camera Support thread.
Please feel free to share all your experience, best tips & tricks, advice, links and anything else you may feel useful. Also feel free to ask questions if you're having trouble!
Over the coming days, weeks and months, I’ll do my best to organise useful info within this first post to help people get the info they need quickly and easilly. I’ll also try to put together some tutorials of my own as we go along.
Cheers,
Bugsy.
Here's a tiny selection to be going on with. There are many more to come, and I'll find a way to make it more tidy soon:
Why are my photos 6MP instead of 8MP?
While the One X can take 8 megapixel images (and will do with a simple change of settings), the phone’s CMOS sensor is designed to capture images with a different aspect ratio to that of the phone’s physical display (4:3 vs 16:9 respectively). What this means, is that 8 megapixel photos don’t fill the entire display and result in black bands being shown down either side of the image. To combat this, HTC include (and enable by default) a widescreen option that crops the image to make it fill the entire screen. This results in a more visually appealing look that makes full use of the screen's real estate.
If you want to disable this function and capture full 8MP photos, you can do this quite easily via the camera’s settings menu (Settings>Camera Options>Widescreen).
If you’d like to know more about the effect this option has on functionality and image quality, I’ve put together a short video that may help:
http://youtu.be/JU-NLQrjb9w
When I start recording HD video, my camera zooms in. Why is that?
This is often thought to stem from only a small portion of the sensor being used for video capture. However, In the case of the One X, the main cause appears to be the result of pixels being reserved for Image Stabilisation. By cropping the camera’s view, HTC are able to use the spare pixels from outside the visible frame to counteract motion. The downside is a limited Field of View.
Currently, the effect of Real Time Image Stabilisation seems quite limited, so you may wish to trade this feature for a better viewing angle. Thankfully, HTC do allow you to do this via the settings menu (Settings>Video Options>Stabilisation). By disabling this option, you will gain (almost) the same field of view that you have in standard widescreen photo mode. The difference will be more visible in 720p mode due to the different capturing technique used.
I want to take low Light photos without using the flash. Is ISO 800 the maximum setting I can use?
ISO 800 is the highest level that you can select manually, but the phone will use anything up to ISO1250 if you leave the ISO mode set to Auto (or if you use Low Light Scene mode, which overrides any manual setting). Unfortunately there isn’t currently a way to manually select anything higher than ISO800 within the stock app.
The 4:3 live preview image doesn’t look sharp
This appears to be a software scaling issue that affects the stock app. Hopefully HTC will fix this in a future software update.
Will using a screen protector on the lens affect picture quality?
Image quality is really quite subjective. What one person considers a distinct loss of quality, another may consider negligible. Personally, I wouldn’t use one, as even the best protectors cause some degree of image degradation.
Having said this, you really have to consider your own personal situation. Are you someone that puts your phone in your pocket without a case or pouch? Do you have young children that might put the phone on a rough surface without considering the consequence? One thing is for sure – a screen protector will cause fewer problems than a lens covered with scratches!
White or light objects have a glow around them, especially when it’s sunny
This problem is, almost without fail, the result of finger prints on the lens (or possibly a lens protector if you have one). You’d be surprised how the smallest greasy mark can affect the picture in this way. Unfortunately, lens HTC’s lens design does little to help keep the lens clean.

This is a good thread for inspiration: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585398

I'll get the discussion ball rolling. 16:9 or 4:3, I can't decide. I like 16:9 as it looks good on the screen and TVs and monitors are also 16:9. But physical media is all 4:3. Is it time physical media got with the times. Does the cropping effect the quality?
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xn1 said:
I'll get the discussion ball rolling. 16:9 or 4:3, I can't decide.
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He he.. People are going to think I put you up to that question when they see my reply.
Here's a video I prepared earlier:
Bugsy.

xn1 said:
I'll get the discussion ball rolling. 16:9 or 4:3, I can't decide. I like 16:9 as it looks good on the screen and TVs and monitors are also 16:9. But physical media is all 4:3. Is it time physical media got with the times. Does the cropping effect the quality?
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well i'd say for pictures 4:3 is better since it's just a non cutdown version of the 16:9 picture so u have more on it and later can edit it on pc to make sure u have the best result.

Vey nicely put together video. Many thanks.

anub1s18 said:
well i'd say for pictures 4:3 is better since it's just a non cutdown version of the 16:9 picture so u have more on it and later can edit it on pc to make sure u have the best result.
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Higher pixel density in 4.3

I can't find a widescreen option on my phone, I am stock.

Open the camera, go to the settings and choose camera options.
There you can change the resolution 16:9 or 4:3
jag233 said:
I can't find a widescreen option on my phone, I am stock.
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jag233 said:
I can't find a widescreen option on my phone, I am stock.
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Open camera app hit the cog find camera options and untick wide screen for full res shots.
Edit; beaten to it lol
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Thanks for the replies lads, I have been taking photos in widescreen all this time what an idiot

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Higher pixel density in 4.3
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4:3 images have more pixels, but they are spread over a larger area, right?. I don't see where the density of anything changes. Or am I missing something?

jag233 said:
Thanks for the replies lads, I have been taking photos in widescreen all this time what an idiot
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You're not an idiot - HTC have it set that way by default.
There is no definitive right or wrong choice, but knowing the pros and cons of each mode will certainly help to make your decision easier.
Whichever way people go though, disabling widescreen mode may be a good option for panoramic shots...
Unfortunately HTC still don't allow you to change the phone's orientation for panoramas. This means that your panoramas will be very wide, but not particularly tall. Until such time that HTC change this, disabling widescreen mode will maximise the height of your captures (you'll gain a few hundred pixels). Worth considering
Bugsy.

craigspc said:
4:3 images have more pixels, but they are spread over a larger area, right?. I don't see where the density of anything changes. Or am I missing something?
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No, you're not missing anything. Images shot in 4:3 mode are approximately 600 pixels taller, but those additional pixels are, as you say - used to capture a larger vertical area. Pixel density doesn't change.

Bugsy, thank you for such an excellent video explaining the differences between 16:9 and 4:3 apspect ratios, which many users find confusing.
I hope you don't mind but I've shared a link to your video on the 'HTC ONE Users Group' over at Flickr, giving you full credit
http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/

Radiognome said:
Bugsy, thank you for such an excellent video explaining the differences between 16:9 and 4:3 apspect ratios, which many users find confusing.
I hope you don't mind but I've shared a link to your video on the 'HTC ONE Users Group' over at Flickr, giving you full credit
http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/
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You're very welcome - I'm glad you liked it. Feel free to share links to anything I do freely. You don't need to ask for my permission.

Just wanted to do the right thing Bugsy, especially when you've put so much work into this
Changing the subject if anyone would like to see a comparision I did between the stock camera app, Camera ICS, Camera 360 and Camera FV-5, please check out the following link.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/discuss/72157629696073156/

BugsyLawson said:
He he.. People are going to think I put you up to that question when they see my reply.
Here's a video I prepared earlier:
Bugsy.
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Hehe, they might just, but thank you for the video. I think I'll switch to 4:3 but I will miss full screen pictures
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Also, something I have found. With saturation set to -1 the colors seem more natural. Especially with reds in low light
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I turn the exposure down by 1 as I find it blows out highlights on the regular exposure.
I agree that the saturation gives more natural colours if you dial that down by 1 as well. I quite like the 'kodak' look though
I am finding that the auto white balance gives a red cast, especially when there is a lot of green in the image (such as in a park). I have also found that the daylight white balance is way to yellow.

G3 Camera options

Recently got my g3 and love it except for the camera app. I know I'm guessing the total opposite of most people with this phone but I'd there anyway to get more resolution options [hopefully lower] with the stocc camera. Also make the camera fa*ster.

I was with you until "Also make the [stock] camera faster." Yes, you can by a pro DSLR.
Or you can try XCam.

X cam worked great for smaller resolution. It actually used the laser focus which no other cams have so far. Is getting closer to my goal. Smaller resolution with the last focus and speed.

Just asking; why would you want to make lower resolution shots?

injectx said:
Just asking; why would you want to make lower resolution shots?
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Valid question. Picture save a lot faster, take up less space (especially for pics just going on facebook, twitter... etc). Even when using another camera app I know pictures aren't as clear. even when using a larger resolution then the smallest one available in stocc it still doesn't come out as clear.

Camera Super Pixel 63.5 MP photos on Lg v10

Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel

good one to share , thank you

anirudhks said:
good one to share , thank you
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Your welcome mate

Tested camera Super Pixel, quite impressive, 43.3 MB, couldnt attach, too large, had to upload to OneDrive :good:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1ADC5303B8000E17!167484&authkey=!AB8IRnFt2qnChbQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
Photo by LG camera attached :good:

Not much different, doesnt have manual setting, take up too much space

vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp

kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen

melorib said:
You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"

kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You are right. This superpixel camera gives a fake better image. I taken the same image in the same condition with the original V10 H961N camera and with the supercamera, analysed both in paintshop after magnifying and the details in supercamera are very dissapointing. Uninstalled without regrets.

My Sony NEX6 camera has a much larger sensor than the V10, but the same 16 Mp resolution...
I am not saying this app will have 4 times more detail, but dividing every pixel in 4 blended with the pixels around, if properly done, will increase sharpness, as I confirmed with my tests.
Having said that, I will not use it, not worth what we loose on features

The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/

I recommend having a look at cortexcamera. It uses a similar "trick", but increases the size by only 50%. The result is a stunning 24 MP photo with almost no visible noise and lots of details with no adverse affects from noise reduction. There are a number of limitations though that are basically inherent in the technic. It's best used for rather static scenes and between shots the phone needs a couple of seconds to calculate the resulting image (combined from up to 100 single frames). That being said especially for night or landscape shots I find the results impressive.

Using the Super Resolution Method does not add any more details. Of course it is limited by the sensor. But by doing this, noise is greatly reduced and artifacts like Moire get removed since the program averages the images. This method is done by professional photographers if they want to enhance images when using a mid range shooter.
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kangi26 said:
The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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There are certain benefits upon doing this 4x Spatial Reso Increase. The details don't bump up so much but noise gets significantly reduced and edges become much more detailed rather than edgy. Still its an improvement than nothing. Tho the hype should be re calibrated.

Nukhem said:
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
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Exactly this. I was just about to mention the OM-D E-M5 MII. This camera has a 16MP sensor but has a 40MP high-res shooting mode which combines eight exposures into a single image which is how it can manage to get such a high pixel count out of a sensor that's only natively capable of 16MP. You and your subject would need to be completely still though as any movement can create blurs and jagged lines but the results are real, there is a noticeable difference if you look closely.
But that's if you look closely. Having a high pixel counts doesn't mean much unless you need extremely large prints and even then, have you guys seen the huge billboards from Apple saying that the picture was taken with an iPhone 6 or 6S? That's a 8MP and 12MP sensor respectively. Of course, they probably edited the pictures like there's no tomorrow but then if you were going for such huge prints, you probably wouldn't be printing directly from the in camera RAW or JPEG file.
As a hobbyist photographer, I would say learn the manual settings in the built-in camera app. It's more than enough to squeeze the best possible pictures you can get out of the V10's camera. Then go out and buy yourself a MILC or DSLR (but MILC is probably the smarter choice).

thanks for posting this app
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vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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Don't lile it
Image processing is way better in stock lg cam app

Yeah pixel count does not matter much. 16mp is plenty for most pics. Unless the program managed to use the ois in here to emulate what the Olympus OMD EM5 Mark II does I dont see how it would get a actual useable larger pixel count without the possiblity of introducing digitial artifacts in the image. And even then unless you were shooting non moving subjects in a studio environment you would get that ghosting effect in the pics. Id rather just take regular shots in Raw and post process if I need to work the pics some more. On a side note, the 5 axis OIS on the Olympus is very Nice. I agree with a previous poster about learning what the manual controls do. Then get a nice camera if you are serious about taking better shots.

Possible to take better photos with ASUS Rog Phone 2

I came across a video on YouTube which shows how we can take better photos with the Rog Phone 2 using the Google Camera.
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What are your thoughts?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I've seen several of these comparisons, and I often prefer the stock camera images over the Gcam images. The ones of the toy car and phone in that video are prime examples.
I suggest learning manual controls. Even if you don't use it in normal shooting, understanding what's going on with settings will help you take better photos. Remember, only you know what kind of photo you want, not some random programmer that never met you. Because of that, auto modes can be hit and miss, and understanding manual controls will allow you to quickly adjust for those times auto mode isn't working for you.

We need to make a camera thread, the photos from this phone are actually good without gcam

Jjallda9 said:
We need to make a camera thread, the photos from this phone are actually good without gcam
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Lol. They are? The camera on this phone blows.

This phone struggles a lot in low light without gcam, tested both night mode on stock vs gcam

zed011 said:
This phone struggles a lot in low light without gcam, tested both night mode on stock vs gcam
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No ois, it will never be good.

suzook said:
Lol. They are? The camera on this phone blows.
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In good lighting it does much better than what I would have expected, and compared to my iPhone 11pro they are not horrible. Now taking photos at night that's a different story .

Jjallda9 said:
In good lighting it does much better than what I would have expected, and compared to my iPhone 11pro they are not horrible. Now taking photos at night that's a different story .
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Lol. iPhone 11 and rog2 in daylight? No contest. Rog2 looks like Nexus 4.

suzook said:
No ois, it will never be good.
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OIS is over-hyped anyway for a phone. The range of motion to correct isn't very big with such a small sensor. I've seen a test video of the electronic stabilization, and it worked extremely well.

Mr_Mooncatt said:
OIS is over-hyped anyway for a phone. The range of motion to correct isn't very big with such a small sensor. I've seen a test video of the electronic stabilization, and it worked extremely well.
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What do you think nightsight does? It uses ois in nightshots for better images. You have no clue. Move along.

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suzook said:
Lol. iPhone 11 and rog2 in daylight? No contest. Rog2 looks like Nexus 4.
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I just uploaded a couple photos, I'm no photographer but these are pretty good.

suzook said:
What do you think nightsight does? It uses ois in nightshots for better images. You have no clue. Move along.
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From https://www.blog.google/products/pixel/see-light-night-sight/
If your subject moves during the capture, Night Sight can adapt to prevent a modest amount of motion from ruining the shot. Instead of capturing one bright and blurry photo, Night Sight captures an equal amount of light over a burst of many photos that are dark but sharp. By merging this burst, Night Sight prevents motion blur and brightens the photo, giving you a bright and sharp photo.
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As you were saying?

suzook said:
No ois, it will never be good.
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That's not true I have a pixel 1 with no OIS and it's fine in night mode

zed011 said:
That's not true I have a pixel 1 with no OIS and it's fine in night mode
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My V20 has it and I can get maybe a notch slower shutter speed than without. Not much difference. If it was something like Pentax's full frame DSLR, that gives 5 stops of shake reduction, that would be a big difference.