Hello everyone,
I’ve decided to start this thread to ask for your help in creating a central One X Camera Support thread.
Please feel free to share all your experience, best tips & tricks, advice, links and anything else you may feel useful. Also feel free to ask questions if you're having trouble!
Over the coming days, weeks and months, I’ll do my best to organise useful info within this first post to help people get the info they need quickly and easilly. I’ll also try to put together some tutorials of my own as we go along.
Cheers,
Bugsy.
Here's a tiny selection to be going on with. There are many more to come, and I'll find a way to make it more tidy soon:
Why are my photos 6MP instead of 8MP?
While the One X can take 8 megapixel images (and will do with a simple change of settings), the phone’s CMOS sensor is designed to capture images with a different aspect ratio to that of the phone’s physical display (4:3 vs 16:9 respectively). What this means, is that 8 megapixel photos don’t fill the entire display and result in black bands being shown down either side of the image. To combat this, HTC include (and enable by default) a widescreen option that crops the image to make it fill the entire screen. This results in a more visually appealing look that makes full use of the screen's real estate.
If you want to disable this function and capture full 8MP photos, you can do this quite easily via the camera’s settings menu (Settings>Camera Options>Widescreen).
If you’d like to know more about the effect this option has on functionality and image quality, I’ve put together a short video that may help:
http://youtu.be/JU-NLQrjb9w
When I start recording HD video, my camera zooms in. Why is that?
This is often thought to stem from only a small portion of the sensor being used for video capture. However, In the case of the One X, the main cause appears to be the result of pixels being reserved for Image Stabilisation. By cropping the camera’s view, HTC are able to use the spare pixels from outside the visible frame to counteract motion. The downside is a limited Field of View.
Currently, the effect of Real Time Image Stabilisation seems quite limited, so you may wish to trade this feature for a better viewing angle. Thankfully, HTC do allow you to do this via the settings menu (Settings>Video Options>Stabilisation). By disabling this option, you will gain (almost) the same field of view that you have in standard widescreen photo mode. The difference will be more visible in 720p mode due to the different capturing technique used.
I want to take low Light photos without using the flash. Is ISO 800 the maximum setting I can use?
ISO 800 is the highest level that you can select manually, but the phone will use anything up to ISO1250 if you leave the ISO mode set to Auto (or if you use Low Light Scene mode, which overrides any manual setting). Unfortunately there isn’t currently a way to manually select anything higher than ISO800 within the stock app.
The 4:3 live preview image doesn’t look sharp
This appears to be a software scaling issue that affects the stock app. Hopefully HTC will fix this in a future software update.
Will using a screen protector on the lens affect picture quality?
Image quality is really quite subjective. What one person considers a distinct loss of quality, another may consider negligible. Personally, I wouldn’t use one, as even the best protectors cause some degree of image degradation.
Having said this, you really have to consider your own personal situation. Are you someone that puts your phone in your pocket without a case or pouch? Do you have young children that might put the phone on a rough surface without considering the consequence? One thing is for sure – a screen protector will cause fewer problems than a lens covered with scratches!
White or light objects have a glow around them, especially when it’s sunny
This problem is, almost without fail, the result of finger prints on the lens (or possibly a lens protector if you have one). You’d be surprised how the smallest greasy mark can affect the picture in this way. Unfortunately, lens HTC’s lens design does little to help keep the lens clean.
This is a good thread for inspiration: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585398
I'll get the discussion ball rolling. 16:9 or 4:3, I can't decide. I like 16:9 as it looks good on the screen and TVs and monitors are also 16:9. But physical media is all 4:3. Is it time physical media got with the times. Does the cropping effect the quality?
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I'll get the discussion ball rolling. 16:9 or 4:3, I can't decide.
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He he.. People are going to think I put you up to that question when they see my reply.
Here's a video I prepared earlier:
Bugsy.
xn1 said:
I'll get the discussion ball rolling. 16:9 or 4:3, I can't decide. I like 16:9 as it looks good on the screen and TVs and monitors are also 16:9. But physical media is all 4:3. Is it time physical media got with the times. Does the cropping effect the quality?
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well i'd say for pictures 4:3 is better since it's just a non cutdown version of the 16:9 picture so u have more on it and later can edit it on pc to make sure u have the best result.
Vey nicely put together video. Many thanks.
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well i'd say for pictures 4:3 is better since it's just a non cutdown version of the 16:9 picture so u have more on it and later can edit it on pc to make sure u have the best result.
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Higher pixel density in 4.3
I can't find a widescreen option on my phone, I am stock.
Open the camera, go to the settings and choose camera options.
There you can change the resolution 16:9 or 4:3
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I can't find a widescreen option on my phone, I am stock.
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I can't find a widescreen option on my phone, I am stock.
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Open camera app hit the cog find camera options and untick wide screen for full res shots.
Edit; beaten to it lol
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Thanks for the replies lads, I have been taking photos in widescreen all this time what an idiot
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Higher pixel density in 4.3
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4:3 images have more pixels, but they are spread over a larger area, right?. I don't see where the density of anything changes. Or am I missing something?
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Thanks for the replies lads, I have been taking photos in widescreen all this time what an idiot
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You're not an idiot - HTC have it set that way by default.
There is no definitive right or wrong choice, but knowing the pros and cons of each mode will certainly help to make your decision easier.
Whichever way people go though, disabling widescreen mode may be a good option for panoramic shots...
Unfortunately HTC still don't allow you to change the phone's orientation for panoramas. This means that your panoramas will be very wide, but not particularly tall. Until such time that HTC change this, disabling widescreen mode will maximise the height of your captures (you'll gain a few hundred pixels). Worth considering
Bugsy.
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4:3 images have more pixels, but they are spread over a larger area, right?. I don't see where the density of anything changes. Or am I missing something?
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No, you're not missing anything. Images shot in 4:3 mode are approximately 600 pixels taller, but those additional pixels are, as you say - used to capture a larger vertical area. Pixel density doesn't change.
Bugsy, thank you for such an excellent video explaining the differences between 16:9 and 4:3 apspect ratios, which many users find confusing.
I hope you don't mind but I've shared a link to your video on the 'HTC ONE Users Group' over at Flickr, giving you full credit
http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/
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Bugsy, thank you for such an excellent video explaining the differences between 16:9 and 4:3 apspect ratios, which many users find confusing.
I hope you don't mind but I've shared a link to your video on the 'HTC ONE Users Group' over at Flickr, giving you full credit
http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/
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You're very welcome - I'm glad you liked it. Feel free to share links to anything I do freely. You don't need to ask for my permission.
Just wanted to do the right thing Bugsy, especially when you've put so much work into this
Changing the subject if anyone would like to see a comparision I did between the stock camera app, Camera ICS, Camera 360 and Camera FV-5, please check out the following link.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/discuss/72157629696073156/
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He he.. People are going to think I put you up to that question when they see my reply.
Here's a video I prepared earlier:
Bugsy.
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Hehe, they might just, but thank you for the video. I think I'll switch to 4:3 but I will miss full screen pictures
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Also, something I have found. With saturation set to -1 the colors seem more natural. Especially with reds in low light
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I turn the exposure down by 1 as I find it blows out highlights on the regular exposure.
I agree that the saturation gives more natural colours if you dial that down by 1 as well. I quite like the 'kodak' look though
I am finding that the auto white balance gives a red cast, especially when there is a lot of green in the image (such as in a park). I have also found that the daylight white balance is way to yellow.
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Is there any way that contrast,saturation,sharpness and brightness settings can be adjusted in 0.1, 0.2,1.5, 1.9 etc. Instead of just +1, 2,3 etc.
If this can be achieved in thinking the camera would take care better pics.
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Is there any way that contrast,saturation,sharpness and brightness settings can be adjusted in 0.1, 0.2,1.5, 1.9 etc. Instead of just +1, 2,3 etc.
If this can be achieved in thinking the camera would take care better pics.
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Yes, as well as brightness there is contrast, sharpness, saturation. Also you have white balance settings, (usual choices), ISO 100 to 800 ( I've not tried low light situations yet with different iso's), not tried them all yet. from small up to 5mp 2592x1552 in quality settings + Normal fine and high (which I always keep it on) Metering modes, spot , centre and Average. self timer, geo tag, auto focus choice face detection,.
So there is plenty of manual options to experiment with. Remember it doesn't really matter how many megapixels you have or top of the range phone, at the end of the day it is still JUST a mobile phone. Pics will only be as good quality wise as the lens will allow and some photos obviously not as good as a proper camera.
Also found that it its worth having something like picsay pro installed. Can adjust pictures exposure, brightness, contrast etc to the Nth degree.
The pictures on my desire tend to be under exposed and washed out colors regardless of camera settings. Picsay pro is fantastic at fixing them. Has some good fun features too.
Give the lite version a go. Not sue what its limitations are though.
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Yes, as well as brightness there is contrast, sharpness, saturation. Also you have white balance settings, (usual choices), ISO 100 to 800 ( I've not tried low light situations yet with different iso's), not tried them all yet. from small up to 5mp 2592x1552 in quality settings + Normal fine and high (which I always keep it on) Metering modes, spot , centre and Average. self timer, geo tag, auto focus choice face detection.
So there is plenty of manual options to experiment with. Remember it doesn't really matter how many megapixels you have or top of the range phone, at the end of the day it is still JUST a mobile phone. Pics will only be as good quality wise as the lens will allow and some photos obviously not as good as a proper camera.
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I don't think you understand my question mate.
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Remember it doesn't really matter how many megapixels you have or top of the range phone, at the end of the day it is still JUST a mobile phone. Pics will only be as good quality wise as the lens will allow and some photos obviously not as good as a proper camera.
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I agree about the mega pixels. 5 is plenty unless you want to do large prints/posters. I don't agree that you say it's JUST a mobile phone. I see people use this a lot as an excuse for a deficient camera on a phone. Nokia and Sony seem to manage to put decent camera's and lenses in their top end phones, so there is no excuse IMO.
Personally like Photoshop .com Mobile...Free on Marketplace. Maybe I favour it because I use full Photoshop CS3 on the PC to touch up photos from my dslr etc.
Mobile version has crop, straighten, change exposure values and quite a bit more. Dead easy to use too.
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I agree about the mega pixels. 5 is plenty unless you want to do large prints/posters. I don't agree that you say it's JUST a mobile phone. I see people use this a lot as an excuse for a deficient camera on a phone. Nokia and Sony seem to manage to put decent camera's and lenses in their top end phones, so there is no excuse IMO.
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Maybe I could have worded it a little better, I don't mean to say it's a crap phone, I chose this one myself and I love it. It's great in all dep'ts even the camera is reasonable but in quality terms (not composing) it's never going to beat my £1000.00 lens on my slr is it.
On my Touch HD , it was advised to use normal mode as opposed to wide screen mode.
The reason was you have tegh same number of pixels but in wide mode they are stretched out.
Is this true on the Desire??
Okay... I must state that I came from a HTC One X. Awesome camera out of the box. I honestly always heard everyone (reviews) saying how good it was but never really realized it till switching phones to the Note II. Now I understand.
So with that said; the Note II does okay but seems more blurry to me. More like a iPhone 4 (girlfriend had so only iPhone comparison).
The photos are okay, just not as clear as I want. The photo's seem to look okay scaled down but when looking at full version (not full screen) on Laptop .... it shows low quality.
I'm probably not explaining it well. Sorry
So.... I do have some questions here. Please note I know that these are only opinions. Not looking to bash any apps or settings. Please bring the positive.
What App do you prefer...what settings do you prefer in stated App? to get the best quality photo? Stock? third Party? etc.
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I am currently using Stock app
Burst shot = on
flash usually off, but sometime on
No effects
No scene mode
Exposure value = 0
Auto Focus
Resolution = 3264x2448
White balance = Auto
ISO = Auto
Metering = Center weighted
Auto Contrast = Off
Anti Shake = On
Image Quality = Superfine
Would it help to turn on or off any of these settings? What has been your best results?
Thx!
Is burst shot the same quality as single shot. I Googled it but got no answer. I think it may have to do with how the signal is processed and of course the sensor size. As the sensor is opviously very small it can only capture a little light. The phone compensates with a higher iso causing grainy pictures. Do some comparisons in daylight add compare them.
It could obviously be as you stated. The One X has a better camera.
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Is burst shot the same quality as single shot. I Googled it but got no answer. I think it may have to do with how the signal is processed and of course the sensor size. As the sensor is opviously very small it can only capture a little light. The phone compensates with a higher iso causing grainy pictures. Do some comparisons in daylight add compare them.
It could obviously be as you stated. The One X has a better camera.
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I have been playing around a little bit this morning.
Found that HDR is not bad. Helps a lot indoors.
Also Many shots were the best in "Low Light" mode while indoors.
Agree that I was probably spoiled with the HTC One X.
Just need to keep playing around and use more. with the One X I was able to just point and shoot. Didn;t really have to use any special options. LOL
Every phone camera sucks, , Why spend so much time on it lol.
Antishake adds considerable amount of noise to the picture. This is not a mechanical antishake like on a dslr lens. Its a software elemination. However "camera 360 " app and some other apps dont add noise when you use this feature cuz they only let you take take the photo when your hand is stabilized. I suggest you not to use antishake with stock camera app unless you want lower picture detail.
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Thx! I will turn off the Anti Shake and try it out. Good info...
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Antishake adds considerable amount of noise to the picture. This is not a mechanical antishake like on a dslr lens. Its a software elemination. However "camera 360 " app and some other apps dont add noise when you use this feature cuz they only let you take take the photo when your hand is stabilized. I suggest you not to use antishake with stock camera app unless you want lower picture detail.
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WOW! Yes the Antishake adds a lot of noise. Thx I would have never thought of turning off this feature.
Hi ..
I bought the device from LG G4 H815 from CLOVE website and for some reason the camera quality is poor daylight compared to my previous device G3.
After I took a picture I made zoom in to check the quality , and here I find that image noise / blurred G3 compared to a photo in G3 ...
How is it possible, it happens to you too?
Another thing I did not have the option of adjusting 8-megapixel, 13 megapixel (as there is in LG G3)
I'd love to know if there is such a thing ...
The quality is really bad ..
I'm with:
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Build Number: LMY47D
Software Version: V10b-EUR-XX
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Tomer.
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TOMER628 said:
Hi ..
I bought the device from LG G4 H815 from CLOVE website and for some reason the camera quality is poor daylight compared to my previous device G3.
After I took a picture I made zoom in to check the quality , and here I find that image noise / blurred G3 compared to a photo in G3 ...
How is it possible, it happens to you too?
Another thing I did not have the option of adjusting 8-megapixel, 13 megapixel (as there is in LG G3)
I'd love to know if there is such a thing ...
The quality is really bad ..
I'm with:
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Build Number: LMY47D
Software Version: V10b-EUR-XX
regards,
Tomer.
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Just check If there is same modification in Camera Settings
there is different pic ratio in auto mode for instance.
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thank you for your reply
same ratio, but still picture not good...:crying:
can you add a photo for me (from your G4) ?
in Basic Mode ...
Ive checked up on this and from what I have read:
16:9 = 16MPx / 4:3 = 12 MPx / 1:1 = 8.5MPx (ill try and find the link)
With camera quality.. I know it sounds crazy, but I found cleaning my IR Laser focus and camera lens with Glass or lens cleaner worked for me (remember do not spray cleaner on the lens, apply it to a cloth, then polish the lens with the cloth) and wipe it VERY VERY Gently with a micro fibre cloth or an optical Glasses cloth ,
next Goto > Settings > Display > scroll down to More > Motion sensior calibration (lay it on a very flat surface).. and set it.. (try it a few times)
Motion sensor calibration sets the OIS and all the camera and focus sensors up.
Hope this helps..
Heres the thread here, but its an Android Central forum post, so Im not sure how reliable it is..
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g4/533774-lg-g4-camera-settings-megapixel.html
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Heres the thread here, but its an Android Central forum post, so Im not sure how reliable it is..
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g4/533774-lg-g4-camera-settings-megapixel.html
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Thanks for that..
i tried to clean and calibrate the G4, but still the quality of camera not good (even like G3)...
i attached also some pictures to give you taste from my problem with this camera..
I think the quality here is worse, the trees Smeared -not sharp (capture with 16: 9) ...
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4183/NIRGSF.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/7079/dNHvrV.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/8522/yncySQ.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img901/2442/D6Jpo8.jpg
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Thanks for that..
i tried to clean and calibrate the G4, but still the quality of camera not good (even like G3)...
i attached also some pictures to give you taste from my problem with this camera..
I think the quality here is worse, the trees Smeared -not sharp (capture with 16: 9) ...
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4183/NIRGSF.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/7079/dNHvrV.jpg
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Those pictures look fine to me. Show us the supposedly better pictures of the same thing taken with the G3.
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Please compare your photos to mine https://imgur.com/a/tqbEJ
If your quality is worse, i think u might have a bad camera sensor, try to replace the unit.
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Please compare your photos to mine https://imgur.com/a/tqbEJ
If your quality is worse, i think u might have a bad camera sensor, try to replace the unit.
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wish i had good quality like your photos..
i think you right i will try to replace with new unit..
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Those pictures look fine to me. Show us the supposedly better pictures of the same thing taken with the G3.
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Im inclined to agree with others here.. they look fine to me. Can I ask you to take some images of smaller objects with close up detail, such as flowers, kids toys, pets, food./. etc.. also, can you post the same pics taken with your G3. Take all pics in 16:9 ratio on both devices, full auto mode without flash.
If you have an issue, it may be the OIS.
They are beautiful pics. look in the bottom left hand corner of the ones youve taken or zoom in places.. theres lovely detail in the brick work.
I've actually noticed the same sort of thing with mine. I think the phone's postprocessing is too strong. Pictures of things like animals and trees almost look like an oil painting filter has been applied if you zoom in on them. Check out the fur on the picture I attached- LG's algorithm doesn't know what to do with images that have a lot of small, complex elements like leaves or fur. Thankfully that's something that could be patched, but I haven't heard many other people noticing it so I doubt it will be.
1. You never ever look at photos of this size. When looked at in a reasonable size, the pictures look awesome. When you downsize the pictures to a reasonable picturesize you would print, look at them again. You won't see those flaws.
2. Postprocessing of the jpegs is really to heavy and when you take a look at the DNGs, you see a real improvement over the jpegs. And I prefer the DNGs, since I can handle all of the parameters myself in Lightroom.
I think we will see some patches to the camera and postprocessing in the future, since LG is aware of the issue with the jpegs.
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1. You never ever look at photos of this size. When looked at in a reasonable size, the pictures look awesome. When you downsize the pictures to a reasonable picturesize you would print, look at them again. You won't see those flaws.
2. Postprocessing of the jpegs is really to heavy and when you take a look at the DNGs, you see a real improvement over the jpegs. And I prefer the DNGs, since I can handle all of the parameters myself in Lightroom.
I think we will see some patches to the camera and postprocessing in the future, since LG is aware of the issue with the jpegs.
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Agreed here. That photo is briliant, however, yes I agree, LGs processing is very aggressive as is the OIS, so you get over-sharpening, One of the pit falls In photography is to digitally zoom into your images on your PC to check the sharpness, but this is a very bad habit to start and very hard to break.. try to avoid doing this.
In truth... no-body looks at an image 20 or 30x digitally zoomed.. Pictures are to be enjoyed and the camera is only as good as the photographer, so get the light right, frame your subject as big as you can in the view finder, by walking upto your subject and framing it.. not digitally zooming and get creative ... Its so easy to get caught up in the technology that we forget why we take photographs.. which is to either save our memories or create our art. To me, youtube reviewers started this crazy trend of digitally zooming everywhere, so some folk think that a good photograph is one that after a digital zoom you can read the text on a road sign 500 yards away and missing all the image round about.. this is not photography, its zooming.
If your just taking pictures for the technically sharp image, then.. go and buy a DSLR, because no phone camera will ever do it.
Hand on heart, some of the best images Ive ever taken were with an HTC One M8s 4UPX camera.. zoomed n they look like my nephews cra*py MineCraft game, but the image itself.. looks stunning.
Bottom Line, Enjoy your images and the love of photography.. the G4 is one of the best cameras on a phone Ive ever used..
However, if your not happy with the G4s camera.. either return it or buy a nice compact or bridge camera..
Enjoy Photo fans..
but the my quality camera (what i captured here before) is good ?
i mean this not bad sensor or something, right ?
I thought they looked ok, personally. Can you post comparison pics from the G3 (the same pics taken on each, preferably), to demonstrate the issue you are referring to?
Yes, I agree with the subsequent comments. Many years ago I ran motorized Nikons, and did my own color processing and printing, and I like to think I still have an eye for a decent print. I looked at two of the pictures, and while I might have suggested one click higher on the ISO (and that's just personal preference, really) I don't see anything wrong with the pictures.
Enzo
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but the my quality camera (what i captured here before) is good ?
i mean this not bad sensor or something, right ?
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Speaking personnally, I think your pictures look great and their really nice, I know youve mentioned this in your OP, but take another look at them and can you tell us what is it about your images that you think is wrong?
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I thought they looked ok, personally. Can you post comparison pics from the G3 (the same pics taken on each, preferably), to demonstrate the issue you are referring to?
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Yep, Post some G3 pics,,, a good thing to do here is take exactly the same images with the G3 and G4 then compare them and post them here.
enzo ferraro said:
Yes, I agree with the subsequent comments. Many years ago I ran motorized Nikons, and did my own color processing and printing, and I like to think I still have an eye for a decent print. I looked at two of the pictures, and while I might have suggested one click higher on the ISO (and that's just personal preference, really) I don't see anything wrong with the pictures.
Enzo
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My dad used tr be a wedding photographer before he retired, but he still owns one of the original Rolliflex cameras. These days though I own a Canon SX700. Do you still have any of your Nikons
Another aspect of photography is that whenever you change your camera, youll always get differences thats why Photographers have multiple cameras... such as My canon has a minimum focal distance of 1cm and a 30x Optical zoom, so Ide use it for Macro ( small close up), yet my Olympus stylus 1 has quite nice sharpening and a wide angle Aperture of f3.2 so ide use it for landscapes.
Again, I have to say Tomer, I think your images are great, Heres an experiment you can try which might help.. take your camera out.. and take a few images of things that make you happy and what you want... completely forget about images that show off the camera tech, maybe your kids or friends or something like that,... download them to your PC and look at them.. dont zoom.. then see how you feel about your G4.
Heres the Image I took with a 4 Mpx HTC M8..
Its not technically brilliant, but it was a fun day and thats all that matters.
No, the Nikons and a trillion dollars worth of glass went long ago. I very much miss the film, but just wearied of carrying around a backbreaking load of gear. The digital image is not as good as film, and I don't care what anybody claims to the contrary on that, but I do agree completely that the best camera is the one you have at hand when the picture opportunity arises, and clearly the phone camera wins by a mile on that score.
Enzo
OP, I think a very easy test here would be to take the same photo using JPG, and again using RAW. Then, look at each zoomed in. You should see that the JPG has compression artifacts, but the RAW does not. Then, you will see the camera quality capabilities in the RAW to verify the camera is fine, and perhaps you are just seeing software compression artifacts in JPG.
In fact, it would be interesting to see those two pictures if you could post them here. Choose a subject that has a pattern that will give the JPG compression algorithm trouble, like the cat fur or many leaves/blades of grass at a distance, to make the difference more pronounced.
here couple of pictures ftom today...
this the result :
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/2597/P4I5q9.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img537/7629/n4t0aA.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/9131/AySMqD.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img908/1512/3YRk1w.jpg
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
good one to share , thank you
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good one to share , thank you
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Tested camera Super Pixel, quite impressive, 43.3 MB, couldnt attach, too large, had to upload to OneDrive :good:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1ADC5303B8000E17!167484&authkey=!AB8IRnFt2qnChbQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
Photo by LG camera attached :good:
Not much different, doesnt have manual setting, take up too much space
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Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You are right. This superpixel camera gives a fake better image. I taken the same image in the same condition with the original V10 H961N camera and with the supercamera, analysed both in paintshop after magnifying and the details in supercamera are very dissapointing. Uninstalled without regrets.
My Sony NEX6 camera has a much larger sensor than the V10, but the same 16 Mp resolution...
I am not saying this app will have 4 times more detail, but dividing every pixel in 4 blended with the pixels around, if properly done, will increase sharpness, as I confirmed with my tests.
Having said that, I will not use it, not worth what we loose on features
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
I recommend having a look at cortexcamera. It uses a similar "trick", but increases the size by only 50%. The result is a stunning 24 MP photo with almost no visible noise and lots of details with no adverse affects from noise reduction. There are a number of limitations though that are basically inherent in the technic. It's best used for rather static scenes and between shots the phone needs a couple of seconds to calculate the resulting image (combined from up to 100 single frames). That being said especially for night or landscape shots I find the results impressive.
Using the Super Resolution Method does not add any more details. Of course it is limited by the sensor. But by doing this, noise is greatly reduced and artifacts like Moire get removed since the program averages the images. This method is done by professional photographers if they want to enhance images when using a mid range shooter.
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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There are certain benefits upon doing this 4x Spatial Reso Increase. The details don't bump up so much but noise gets significantly reduced and edges become much more detailed rather than edgy. Still its an improvement than nothing. Tho the hype should be re calibrated.
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The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
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Exactly this. I was just about to mention the OM-D E-M5 MII. This camera has a 16MP sensor but has a 40MP high-res shooting mode which combines eight exposures into a single image which is how it can manage to get such a high pixel count out of a sensor that's only natively capable of 16MP. You and your subject would need to be completely still though as any movement can create blurs and jagged lines but the results are real, there is a noticeable difference if you look closely.
But that's if you look closely. Having a high pixel counts doesn't mean much unless you need extremely large prints and even then, have you guys seen the huge billboards from Apple saying that the picture was taken with an iPhone 6 or 6S? That's a 8MP and 12MP sensor respectively. Of course, they probably edited the pictures like there's no tomorrow but then if you were going for such huge prints, you probably wouldn't be printing directly from the in camera RAW or JPEG file.
As a hobbyist photographer, I would say learn the manual settings in the built-in camera app. It's more than enough to squeeze the best possible pictures you can get out of the V10's camera. Then go out and buy yourself a MILC or DSLR (but MILC is probably the smarter choice).
thanks for posting this app
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Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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Don't lile it
Image processing is way better in stock lg cam app
Yeah pixel count does not matter much. 16mp is plenty for most pics. Unless the program managed to use the ois in here to emulate what the Olympus OMD EM5 Mark II does I dont see how it would get a actual useable larger pixel count without the possiblity of introducing digitial artifacts in the image. And even then unless you were shooting non moving subjects in a studio environment you would get that ghosting effect in the pics. Id rather just take regular shots in Raw and post process if I need to work the pics some more. On a side note, the 5 axis OIS on the Olympus is very Nice. I agree with a previous poster about learning what the manual controls do. Then get a nice camera if you are serious about taking better shots.
Had my first day out with the V30 yesterday and just imported the photos and videos from it to my laptop for a closer look to make some initial evaluations. With some very interesting things to note and a lot to dig into further. There's definitely some realities that need to be addressed to better manage expectations.
1) I have no f'n clue what the HDR setting is doing other than making crappy photos. Which is about the same as it was on the V20. It's completely the opposite of what it was on the Nexus 6. On the Nexus 6, if you wanted the best photos out of the Google Camera you could get, you turned on HDR and forgot about it. With LG's Camera app, it's the exact opposite. Turn it off and forget it was ever there.
I still need to figure out the mess that the Google Camera app port has become and DL a copy and see how it does with this sensor.
2) If you shoot manual, there's a noise reduction on/off switch now. Unless you have some decent NR software though or know what you want to do with grainy photos (and I think it will have its uses, I just have to find the right subject), leave it on in very low light conditions. Not only does it tame grainy noise, it also tames a bit of purple fringe that will show up in high gain (high ISO) photos once the electronics start heating up around it.
3) As to that last part of #2: We have to be realistic here. This is a tiny cellphone camera packed in with A LOT of other electronics. If you're shooting several shots in a row or long exposures, either in dark conditions at high ISO, you will see amp glow or purple fringing. It's just a reality. Even DSLRs see it.
4) Digital zoom is digital zoom. If you aren't using just the standard view of each sensor, then you are going to see the limitations of a small sensor. I don't care what cellphone you're using. None of my larger/dedicated cameras have it for many good reasons. You shouldn't expect miracles from a smaller camera.
5) The wide angle sensor actually takes pretty good shots now in most conditions! The wide angle camera on the V20 was full of so many compromises that I avoided it at all costs. If I wanted a wider view than the standard lens, I would use the pano setting on the standard lens. Which is still a great option if everything in the frame is going to sit still but it takes time and patience. It still has distortion though, just not as much as before. You can't focus the wide angle in manual mode but you can in auto. Weird. It doesn't like to focus pointing directly overhead. That was hit or miss. Same rules about the NR and HDR apply here.
6) Video AF in low low light does miss sometimes. Again, just remember this phone doesn't have all the high end AF sensors that some DSLRs have to make sure focus is nailed every single time. Somewhere there's an article about the useful range of all the AF systems on the V20, I assume it still applies to the V30. I'll dig it up if I can to help manage expectations. If I remember right, laser AF is short range, maybe 7 feet.
7) During my import of files from my phone to my laptop, some of my videos lost their audio tracks. Not sure what that's about. I don't remember which ones were auto and which ones were manual but I suspect that's the problem. All videos have sound on my phone though.
8) I suck at video. Kinda hoping to kick myself in the rear with this phone and learn more about it. There's a lot more to manage and I probably won't be happy until I figure out the whole color grading thing and get the look I want. So the log file option ought to be a nice addition.
9) I remember telling someone that I swear I saw a video somewhere of a pre-unit that had the directional mics settings in manual video. Well, I can tell you that I must have imagined that because the unit I have does not have that setting. Just sliders and windcut.
10) And I don't know where LG is hiding it but I don't see 240 fps in any settings anywhere. The fastest video setting I see is 120fps. (Remember, only at 720p) I'm guessing 240 fps is reserved for the slo-mo mode and not available in manual or auto video modes.
11) Selfie camera. Yeah, I've seen the complaints. Are you sure your ugly mugs aren't breaking the camera? I posted this in the first impressions thread and I'll post it here. First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings. Whoever renamed skin smoothing to skin toning should be shot as that's not what I thought that setting was at all. My first thought is that it adjusted the white balance of the skin to give you a rosier glow. Nope. Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero. After that, the image held up well to some post processing and consistently gave me selfies I actually like. They actually remind me of something that might come from..... film.
I'm going to do some more shooting today and I'll try to figure out how to post examples without making you all click through to some other site. I also need to figure out how to get the videos over sound and all so I can give them honest assessments.
Ah, I just remembered something else to look out for.
12) If you shoot in manual and have the RAW option turned on, it isn't like on a real camera where you get the RAW file and a processed version of the RAW file. It shoots two photos. This does two things. One, it means you will see lag as it is shooting two photos for each press. This gets worse with longer shutter speeds. Two, this means unless you're shooting a still life that the RAW and JPG will not match. If you're shooting action like I was last night, you will get two completely different photos.
Interesting. Thanks for you observations.
I'm a pixel owner and I love the camera. It's ace. I really want to like the v30, but so far the real world observations and initial reviews haven't sung the praises of the camera. Are you happy with the camera or is it not worth the hype?
The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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Interesting. Thanks for the summary
I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I probably still have a few more days of testing but just based off of what I've seen in my standardized shooting at the museum, LG has pulled off a miracle with this tiny little sensor.
Like I said above, you have to have realistic expectations and know what the limits are of your gear. That's what a really good photographer does though. They know how the gear works and how to use what it does but also know when it's time to use something else or accept not getting a shot.
This is a tiny sensor. The largest sensor on this whole phone is only 1/3.09". It's smaller than the main one on the V20 but it looks better. That in itself is amazing but I'm not expecting a sensor that's 1/3 the size of the sensor of my smallest camera to match it. Yet that's what some people seem to expect . Which is asinine.
Really the only "failing" I had yesterday was trying to shoot overhead in extremely dark conditions with the wide angle camera and shooting performers wearing all black on an outdoor stage in the dark with just stage lighting (which was changing colors constantly) while moving around quickly. Neither of those surprised me at all. The second condition really is the realm of DSLRs still. The first one, I'm ok with too. That said, what I did get from the second condition, I'm still surprised with.
I've only had one day with it but I think I'm going to get some surprising images out of this camera. Now to teach myself more about video editing.
And again, about the front camera. Once you set those stupid settings to the bottom, you can get more skin detail out of a photo than most people would like to see. Every crease and furrow in my brow line and forehead ,pock mark in my nose, and hairs on my head and beard. From shooting models, I can tell you a lot of people wouldn't want to see that level of detail on their face. So I have no idea what people are complaining about. It's an f'n vanity camera that most people wouldn't want to use to its full potential.
Uploaded a couple of shots. All shots are my normal workflow with a cellphone camera. Shot with the V30 and the jpegs processed in Snapseed. First one is shot with the main camera overhead in a room not known for being well lit at the museum I used to work at. In fact the only real lighting is from some LEDs in the pearl at center. The LEDs are designed to be very soft so they don't degrade the paint and woodwork. The other two shots are selfies taken with indirect sunlight being the only light source indoors. The one with back background is indirect sun through clear glass. The one with the light background is indirect sunlight through very milky glass.
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
Seriously, I'm not sure I'd really want more detail than that. I'm actually quite please with how all of these images turned out so far. I'll try to work up some more shots from the main and wides.
Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet.
And is front face camera really bad?
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I'm not hijacking this thread, but you asked a specific question. There's another thread where the camera is discussed, along with other features, and @keithleger took all his in "auto" mode, to compare the two V30 back cameras, and he also compared it to the Note 8 camera which he's decided to sell.
Camera
-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
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However, he's selling the Note 8 to keep the LG V30.
He posted an album of his first weekend pictures, as well as the comparison shots to the Note 8. The V30 outside shots look FANTASTIC, and even though the Note 8seemed to do better indoors the LG V30 won at least one of the indoor shots, in my opinion.
As for selfies, he gives the same advice as @CHH2.. Turn off the enhancemet crap on the selfie camera.
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For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
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Selfie camera. . First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings.
Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero.
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See, they say the same thing. The only reason I'm mentioning the other thread -- and I do not mean to hijack @CHH2 camera thread -- is because @keithleger has direct comparisons to the Note 8 camera was well as the f/1.6 and wide angle cameras on the V30. Plus he only shot in auto, and didn't do any post processing (to my knowledge).
I appreciate all the work @CHH2 has put into this thread!
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
Going to add one more photo. This one shot in probably one of the most challenging places to shoot, a jazz club. This is probably the cleanest shot I've taken in there with a cellphone. I'm impressed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36883443574/
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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You're welcome. For photos, I never use the filters in the camera apps. I always use Snapseed. It has a lot more control and much more power once you learn how to apply the various filters in combination. The grasshopper only had typical post processing that most photographers would apply; a tad sharpening that is only really noticeable when zoomed in, B&W conversion, bump in contrast, and a bump in shadows to make them a tad darker. Oh, and a crop, maybe threw away a little more than half the overall pixels from the frame as I didn't want to scare it off.
And yeah, for being such a tiny sensor, I'm impressed with the low light shooting. I still want to try shooting in the basement of the jazz club. That's usually territory that I need at least my smaller dedicated camera if not my DSLR. I won't get to try that again until this next weekend.
Decided to try something a little different. This isn't final by any means but this shows what playing around for a couple of minutes in Snapseed with just a couple quick shots can get you: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37605204891/
Looking forward to showing this to my curator friend and watching him fall off of his barstool when I tell him it was all done on one cellphone in under five minutes. (He's pretty much a film guy as is the guy who is the inspiration for this photo. Bonus points if you can name the photographer I'm copying for this photo.)
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure
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Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure[/QUOTE]
I used the front selfie camera with all of those silly settings at the bottom of the frame turned off, set to zero, whatever their values are. Then I just did some quick processing in Snapseed. That's pretty much it. I don't get too complex. And thank you.
Finally figured out a work around so I can hear the audio on the videos I'm importing from the phone to my laptop and can't believe I didn't think of this before. Pulled the videos from their folder over into an empty Chrome browser window and Voila! they played complete with their soundtrack!
So the following is from shooting in a dark jazz club. (Notes, not footage yet. I'll try uploading something to youtube when I figure out what, when, and how.)
Probably the most important observation I see about video from the V30 (and this actually applied to the V20 too) is that loud music can end up jostling the OIS and introduce more shake than it removes.
Another observation is that recording video while in Auto mode, you better make sure you have plenty of somewhat decent light. Tonight while playing around, the screen would be plenty bright all the way up until I hit that little red record button. Then the screen squeezes down and went dark enough that the footage was unusable. Shooting in manual video mode, I was able to get some footage. It wasn't exactly ideal settings that I was shooting with though so the footage is so-so. (Best settings I could get were ISO 3200 and a shutter speed of 1/25. My understanding is that since I had my frame rate at 24fps, I should have had a shutter speed of 1/50 but that just wasn't happening inside that place.)
In manual video mode, it really doesn't like ISO 3200 for some reason. I'd play with a setting and come back and the ISO would be set to 3150 for some reason. I'd bump it back up to 3200, go do something else, come back to 3150. I would have to make sure that's the last thing I tweaked before hitting the record button.
The audio picks up pretty much all the sounds I'm hearing. I need to sit down with headphones and see if there's extra noise being introduced. I suspect dragging the videos into the Chrome browser is exactly the best quality test. It just lets me know the audio tracks are intact in the file which I was a little worried about at first.
I still have a lot more playing around with the video as most of it is new to me.