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screen not sensitive: manufacturing fault or unreal expectations ??

every review i've read online before i bought the unit was boasting about how "finger-friendly" the TP2 was, and that you could lightly swipe your finger across it to navigate the menu and that the touchscreen was very sensitive and whatnot
however after 2 weeks of use i find that to be relatively untrue. i've got to apply a fair amount of pressure on the screen to get it to register my input. of course, i'm posting this because i'm afraid that i might be damaging the screen in the process
i have no basis for comparison actually, my only 2 other touchscreen devices at home are an iphone and a cowon s9, both use capacitive screens. i always knew there was a big difference between capacitive screens and resistive screens, i just didn't know it was THIS huge. i can actually slide my finger lightly over the iphone's surface and its registered properly. the sliding probably feels smoother as its glass, but i can live with the TP2's plastic. what do you guys think ? should i get it checked out at the HTC store ?? its on the other side of town, don't wanna waste a trip as if its not a problem
oh yeah and just to get this out of the way, the screen is a membrane and not a hard surface right ?? everytime i press on the screen using my finger or the stylus, i can feel the screen slightly moving down, can also see the surface getting slightly dented at the point my finger pushes it if looking at it from a certain angle.
ps before somebody asks: i only got to test the keyboard at the telco store, some punk had cracked the screen of the display set, so i didn't know about this screen issue until i actually purchased the set
sorry for the long post, but i'd really appreciate any comments
TIA

Well, I don't have an Iphone so i can't tell you about how it compares with the TP2, however, i found the display to be much better than the one on my old XDA. It will probably never as good as a capacitive device like the touchpad on my laptop, but I found it to work very well. You have to apply a certain amount of pressue to the display, because it reacts on pressure, so I guess there is nothing wrong with that. I also see a small dent when I use the stylus and press the display. I cannot confirm the screen slightly going down when pressing it.
To summarize it, i use the Stylus 90% of the time. It glides much better on the display than my finger does so the overall experience is slightly better when using a stylus. Plus i don't get any greasy fingerprints on my display.
However the 10% I use my fingers to work on it (and 25% of that 10% is spent on polishing I found it to work pretty well, so in general I don't think that the reviews were off when it comes to finger usability.

What you are describing is probably normal. Resistive screens do require pressure. The TP2 tends to require less pressure than others, but nonetheless it does require it. There's no comparison if you compare it to a capacitive screen device because those don't require pressure at all.
The flexing of the screen that you described is something all resistive screens have. Again, if you compare the screen flex of the TP2 to earlier HTC devices, it's greatly improved.
To be on the safe side, go to a store and try out other resistive screen devices and see if you experience the same thing as your own. Then you'll know what is considered "normal".

thanks for the replies, i'll probably head down to my telco's store and see if they've replaced the display set then.
any other comments ??

You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...

From a few years to nowadays i´ve always used QTEK/HTC devices, my latest one is, ofcourse, HTC RHODIUM, the rom it has installed is RUU_Rhodium_HTC_PTG_1.19.410.0_Radio_Rhodium_3.44.25.27_Signed_Ship, and the screen is very sensitive and responsive, i´m just very pleased with it overall, it´s the best.
Cheers.

eXceed said:
You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...
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you don't need .cab
just change in registry...
HKLM/drivers/Touch Driver/pressurethreshold, (default=10000)
(I might not remember perfectly, but it's something like that)

try this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469865

this might help just re align your screen again using little pressure then your screen will not need some much pressure to work.
I have found the this not only aligns the screen but the pressure as well.
mine I just have to lightly touch it and dont have to press very much at all.
Cheers

Is Capactive really BETTER than resistive?

Most of the latest smartphones and upcoming phones appear to have capacative screens and they seem to be the preferred type. However, I still use a resistive screen and I recently borrowed an HTC HD2 with capactive screen and I was not that impressed.
Certainly, they do resopond to a lighter touch but for me that was an irritation as I would regularly accidentally touch/select something by mistake. My Touch Pro2 resistive screen does not require much more pressure on the screen but just enough that it is hard to select something accidentally. I also like to use my finger nail to select which of course you cannot do with a capactive screen. Selecting some of the smaller menus in Windows Mobile is quite difficult on a capactive screen.
The other reason I like using my finger nail is to minimize finger marks on the screen. I noticed when using a capactive screen that it was covered in finger marks very quickly.
So, are capactive screens really "better"? I have held off upgrading my Touch Pro2 as I do not think that capactive screens are better than some of the latter resistive screens. However, it seems that if I do want to upgrade my phone in due course I am going to have to go with a capactive screen.
Maybe my Touch Pro2 will serve me for a while longer yet!

Apparently I heard the Capactive screens dont have as accurate of touches either. But then again you have things like pinch zooming and stuff to that nature. With phones these days its all a give and a get. Your problem with thumb imprints, a lot of the newer screen protectors dont get thumbprints. My friend has an Evo with a Anti-Glare screen and he uses it so much that he carries arond two batteries with himself at all time, I have never seen a thumbprint on hisphone. Maybe its the anti-glare or the type of shield? I'm not sure. But with a damp cloth the prints go away quite easily

i never saw the benefit of pinch zooming either, it just seems like now i need 2 hands (one to hold the phone and one to pinch) to do something that only took 1 hand (double tap with my thumb while holding the phone in the same hand)
i felt that way about a lot of iphone "features" to me it just seemed like an extra step or more complex way to do something that was devised solely to justify the capacitive screen and say "looks its new and different, therefore it MUST be better!"

I'm a heavy user of Remote Desktop. I got to really sit down and play with my friends HD2 yesterday (capacitive screen). I found that I hated it. At first, the pinch & zoom with RDP is cool & looks impressive. In actual use however, I found it cumbersome and potentially dangerous. While playing with the pinch & zoom a few times with Windows Explorer open, I accidentally picked up huge chunks of my folders and dropped them somewhere else... Pressing small dialog boxes with my fat fingers was nearly impossible, and the program itself was buggy and cumbersome (sometimes very difficult to scroll to the corner to hit "X" or Start", etc.)
I'm sure some clever programmer could find a way to use these features effectively, but since WM 6.5 is essentially dead, I have to consider that this might be the *only* RDP client ever made for the HD2, and I found that it just isn't good enough.
I suspect my feelings about this will apply to many other programs when using a capacitive screen with them.

I think capacitive screens are good for telephonic use (big keys and little messages). For office use, stylus and keyboard are unsurpassed (little and accurate selections and long texts). Obviously many users are interested, understandably, to phones and producers prefer to sell more capacitive phones than a few pdaphones. Problems will come with professional and power users.
Imho.

From what little I've used them I can't stand them. I like pressing with the tip of my fingernail which obviously doesn't register. I also use the stylus quite a bit for scribbling quick notes and drawings. I've got pretty massive hands and going to press on a keyboard key is really hit or miss.

Why capacitive screens?
Because the industry follows the idiots at Apple. If apple releases something, they have to, because they are afraid of losing market share.
I'd like to see them come up with something apple DOESN'T have and spin it like his PR buddies do.
It's amazing... the iphone 4, when it was released and myself and a few of my
amateur radio buddies saw the OUTSIDE band that was an antenna we all started
laughing that it would probably have signal degradation, and sure enough, it did, because when you put your finger over the "spot", you change the wavelength of the antenna.
I'm just glad it was found to be imperfect BEFORE everyone jumped on THAT bandwagon, like they have with capacitive screens.

i think its a personal preference. I for one enjoy resistive. i like having the accurate point to highlight text where as its a pain to select text using any capacitive screen.
My gf recently got the Evo and i'm constantly pressing thing accidentally. also for the ipad, since its capacitive, thats why it doesn't have handwriting recognition. the only reason i considered getting one was because i could load up all my textbooks for my classes which would make it easier in several ways. wouldn't have to carry around a bunch of books and you good search for keywords rather than flipping through and trying to remember where that one paragraph was.
I know you can highlight, but to add notes, you have to use an onscreen keyboard. would of been much better if there was a stylus and you could just pull that out and jot down a couple notes real quick. but since its capacitive, no can do.
there was a blog (can't remember which one) which contained an article about how a new phone was coming out and the only bad thing about it was a resistive screen. The comments went ablaze with posts like in this thread. each has its pros and cons, but i prefer resistive.

I like using a stylus to tap smaller screen elements, especially with programs like remote desktop. However, after using resistive screens for the past five years, I reluctantly went capacitive with the Evo, and I have to say it wasn't that bad. I like that the screen is no longer squishy, the glass won't scratch when I clean it off my shirt, and multitouch makes it easier to zoom in to the exact size you want.
And while the Windows rdp program requires excessive pinch and zoom, the one I use on the Evo has a virtual mouse pointer, so I never have to resize the screen and I can click on even the smallest elements. I can also use my finger for larger things.
I'll see how I feel when it's 10 below and I have to answer my phone.

Hanson68 said:
I'll see how I feel when it's 10 below and I have to answer my phone.
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thats true.
Last winter and it was freezing, all my iphone friends had to take they're gloves off to use their phones (although there are gloves with a static point at the end that will work on capacitive screens) but i was fine with my tilt2 and gloves. Also swype is a lifesaver in the cold and when your wearing gloves, find the right gloves with a nice point at the end, not too blunt, and works perfectly!

Gaming and other multi-touch?
Gaming is really the only advantage I can see to using a capacitive screen; that is, the fact that you can easily have multi-touch controls. There's also the benefit of multi-touch gestures that can be useful- but these all still seem pretty buggy and somewhat of a pointless novelty where I have read about them being employed. I personally do not ever want to use a capacitive touchscreen device as there is just too much sacrifice in functionality. Sad that the market is moving hard in that direction.

[Q] Xperia arc screen too sensitive?

Hi all,
I simply love this phone, but I'm facing a situation that my screen is too sensitive. The home screens were so sensitive a few programs were started without my knowledge. It got better after I switched to Launcher Pro.
However, it is still too sensitive in other areas. When I'm scrolling down, say, the apps in Market, I'll always end up selecting a few items accidentally before I reach the end of the list.
I've used HTC Desire in the past and I'm quite sure the problem is not due to me.
Does anyone else face the same problem, or I have a hardware problem? Or software problem? Can I be tweaked by any means?
Any feedback would be useful! Thanks!!!
KG

I faced this problem before... while swiping, apps accidentally open. But instead of "too sensitive" i thought it's insensitive... because a short swipe was sometimes interpreted as a tap (maybe because the swipe was not fully detected?).
Anyway, I had 2 layers on my device... the pre-applied sheet and another screen protector that came with the box.
I removed the second layer, leaving only the pre-applied sheet, and all is well again... no more accidental "taps"

vincent.hsy said:
I faced this problem before... while swiping, apps accidentally open. But instead of "too sensitive" i thought it's insensitive... because a short swipe was sometimes interpreted as a tap (maybe because the swipe was not fully detected?).
Anyway, I had 2 layers on my device... the pre-applied sheet and another screen protector that came with the box.
I removed the second layer, leaving only the pre-applied sheet, and all is well again... no more accidental "taps"
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Dude, you mean the cause was the screen protector that came with the phone???

kargtan said:
Dude, you mean the cause was the screen protector that came with the phone???
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For my case, maybe 2 layers is just too thick

I'm having the same problem. And that solution seems to make sense. I would give it a try, but if the problem still occurs, I'd be wasting one screen protector..

zha1 said:
I'm having the same problem. And that solution seems to make sense. I would give it a try, but if the problem still occurs, I'd be wasting one screen protector..
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That was how I solved my problem. I actually put on the spare screen protector because when I got the set I didn't realize there was already a pre-applied layer.
Don't blame me if it doesn't work for you

perhaps some of you guys just have the shakes?! ;-p

I guess the screen is never to perfect for everyone.

kargtan, I've noticed the same about the tap sensitivity - I often accidentally "tap" when I mean to swipe. Came from an iPhone 3g and didn't notice this on that device. Might be a matter of getting used to it, not sure. Have you gotten any feedback from others in other forums?

I've noticed this too, and put it down to the screen protector. It's not android OS causing it, never had the problem on my htc hero...
However, now that i've gotten used to the phone it doesnt do it any more - guess my brain has automatically trained itself to drag the screen a little bit more firmly or something.
One thing i have noticed about the arc is: because the bezel around the screen is so thin, i often accidentally launch apps just by holding it. My fingers wrap around slightly & touch the edges of the screen.

Does any of you have problems while trying to swap a screen from another and instead of swapping you get like a "bounce" and stay on the same screen? because that happens to me all the time, I came from an htc Legend and this is making me crazy !
btw, this happens to me if I hold the phone with my right hand and try to do the swapping with my thumb, the only way to get it right is to hold the phone with my left hand and use the index of my right hand

Screen too/not sensitive
Hi guys,
I think the problem arises from the slowness of the phone, not "too sensitive". I used to use the HTC Desire in the past and I was very used to the screen scrolling very quickly. In contrast, the arc is slower and hence the screens don't scroll as fast and hence my way of handling the Desire would cause the problems stated.
I did a few things since my last posting and it seems better now:
Replace the SE Home with Launcher Pro - this seems to have improved on the speed of the phone, and hence better responsiveness to the touch.
Rooted the phone and uninstalled some stock programs.
Removed useless widgets on the desktops.
Adjusted my way of scrolling as someone has suggested.
This is quite frustrating at times, especially so because other than this problem, this phone is a gem, especially its form factor, the sound quality and most importantly, the quality of the camera.
I might sell the phone once the company issues me with a Blackberry (DANG!), but I am kinda unwilling because I have been taking lots of photos with my Android phones and these photos are generally well-liked by my Facebook friends.

agree with bezel thing and hard to use thumb.
noticed arc screen (the screen guard perhaps ) easily get oily and slippery.
had to wipe phone and wash hand so often that make me like some sort of disorder.

Don't know why you guys seem to be having problems... I don't have any issues with my screen swipes at all... smooth and fast.. both on stock and Launcher Pro..

Same deal here. But that's because the screen is sensitive beyond the display area including the black border, and the edge is too narrow. When I use one hand swiping or tapping, the palm of my hand touches the black border. The screen registers two touches in quick succession and thus jumps.

In Phone keypad, enter *#*#7378423#*#* (the numbers mean SERVICE word in keypad), you can go into test mode. Select [Service test]->[Touch Screen] to test the badly touch screen of SE Phones.
You will discover when you swipe the edge of touch screen, the touched result is very not satisfied. The lines you swiped will not accurate and appear like jags, or stick on the edge of the screen.
The touch panel made in China...? ;-)

Me too!
Hey!
i also have a xperia tipo....and i too have the sensitive problem

Could also be a kernel problem?
I remember I installed a kernel a while back that would make my screen hypersensitive; just hovering over the screen would already activate it!
I don't remember which one, it was back in the GB days. But I'm pretty sure it can be changed in the kernel.

can you move your home button?

Can you move it at all? Just noticed something that bugs me. Mine barely moves vertically however I can make the right side higher then the left vice versa so it will sit assymetrically higher on one side until I move it back. I spot assymetrical things constantly and it drives my ocd crazy. My note before this one had a crap home button that wouldn't register clicks on the right corner. My s6 had a crap wobbly home button. Samsung really sucks with making buttons. If I pay $900 for a device I expect it to be perfectly symmetrical.

well, you should always press the button IN THE CENTER, engineers design things to be used in a certain way, if you press any button on any device, in an unnatural way, it will most likely wear out or malfunction before its normal designed lifespan if your home button is assymetrical at its rest position, then it is faulty, go claim warranty or exchange

Nah not wasting any time exchanging Samsung phones anymore. I find something wrong with every single one.

I'm willing to bet I could make the majority note 7 home buttons do this exact thing. Push one side of the button a bit higher than the other.

I got my n7 on 29th aug, and was perfect in all accounts, no scratch prone, no heating at all when charging, no lag, good SOT, 6 hours heavy use, really happy with it, but, I returned for exchange after a exact month using it, as I did not want to use it caped at 60% batt, the point is, I expect the new unit to be as excellent as the first one

My home button is solid in place, no play in any ddirection, i never even looked at it until inread your post, but yeah mine is perfect, im kind of shocked.

Just got mine today. Everything is 100% so far.
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What about your guys spen eject button? Does that move around?

My replaced model sadly has a tiny scratch on the back, the previous one was fine (regretted didn't inspect it well when I get the replaced unit)... That said, my current home button is solid, but the S Pen eject button does move around (which I think should be common for a pen)...

I got my replacement on 10th Oct, everything fine, no gaps, no wobbling buttons, s pen button tight, runs cooler than the first one I had, good SOT, no scratches, even could keep box and accesories

Edge of screen touches not registering

Anyone else having issues where touching the edge of the screen but the phone not registering it?
Like in chrome or gmail or any other app that has the menu button at the top right of the app. I hit the 3 dots but nothing happens. I've even tapped multiple times in a row with nothing registered.
Seems I have to go further into the screen where the curved part stops and the screen goes back flat before the touches are registered normally.
I'm curious if this is normal or not, I'm seriously considering returning the phone for this so I want to know if it's just me or not.

Getting the same thing on mine. Only really noticed it on the keyboard trying to get characters on the very right edge. Already got used to it though and just changed how it tap those characters. Should really be fixed by Google though - even if it's just a software sensitivity thing. You're the first other person I've heard of that has seen this though, so....not at all sure how common it is.

I've noticed it to a few times, particularly in the top right corner.
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Yep. Happens on the right side constantly.

Yes, a game that I play doesn't scale properly for the different ratio, and not only am I missing stuff hanging over the edges, but I also can't tap on stuff right at the edge. I am definitely remembering why I don't usually get day one phones (or 2nd generation phones, it seems like the 1st gen is always cool but lacking, 2nd has all the features but none of them work, and 3rd they finally fix all the problems... 4th and later are then usually boring).

Anaelith said:
Yes, a game that I play doesn't scale properly for the different ratio, and not only am I missing stuff hanging over the edges, but I also can't tap on stuff right at the edge. I am definitely remembering why I don't usually get day one phones (or 2nd generation phones, it seems like the 1st gen is always cool but lacking, 2nd has all the features but none of them work, and 3rd they finally fix all the problems... 4th and later are then usually boring).
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Unless it's the Moto X you're talking about.
Gen 1 was the best. 2 had some new features but the look got butchered. 3 was a complete mess thanks to Lenovo. 4 after a 2 year hiatus isn't even an X. Just a Lenovo phone wannabe using their purchased Moto brand name and X line. lol
RIP Moto

Yup, I am having the same issues.

I have noticed the same problems as well.
And in Play Music when I try to touch the 3 dots on the album art to select download it jumps down thru the library?
I have also noticed that when using navigator for walking and carrying it in my pocket when I pull it out to check the screen it sometimes takes a while for the screen to come on?

No issues here.
Are you using a screen protector or anything?

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No issues here.
Are you using a screen protector or anything?
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No screen protector here. Touch response is terrible on my phone. Takes 2-3 taps for the screen to respond on certain things.

dsmitty166 said:
No issues here.
Are you using a screen protector or anything?
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No screen protector. I am using a case, but I took it off and tested and get the same problem without the case too.

Noticed the same thing here on both the left and right side particularly when using the keyboard.

I've noticed something else though, I can run my fingers along the edge and it will scroll. But tapping in the same spot doesn't register so I am thinking it is software filtering out the touches.

shark1987 said:
I've noticed something else though, I can run my fingers along the edge and it will scroll. But tapping in the same spot doesn't register so I am thinking it is software filtering out the touches.
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I noticed the same thing. tapping on the far right edge doesn't register anything, but pressing and scrolling up/down, there will be a small delay and then it'll start scrolling. Pretty annoying, but should be fixable.

Same problem here... Notice it mostly on lower right. Keyboard and thumbs up in the messenger.

Same with me. I had extreme difficulty registering a key-press when typing a '0' on my keyboard earlier today. As on a normal keyboard, the '0' is on the right edge.
I cannot however seem to recreate the issue now.
Has anyone tried contacting Google support regarding this?

Thought I was imagining it, but it keeps happening to me as well.

dude_savage_89 said:
Same with me. I had extreme difficulty registering a key-press when typing a '0' on my keyboard earlier today. As on a normal keyboard, the '0' is on the right edge.
I cannot however seem to recreate the issue now.
Has anyone tried contacting Google support regarding this?
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I contacted Google support about the issue and they offered to replace my device with a new device.
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Just found this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mycompany.anton_mokshyn.touchscreentest which lets you test the touch screen detection. With it I'm finding that the edges of the screen often require two touches to get them to register. I'd be interested to hear what others are seeing.

I feel like I'm the only one who got a non defective pickle. I've literally experienced none of the issues going around in these forums. Thank you lawd