[Q] Slow installing apps - One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi
Just wondering if anyone else has this problem or if it's just my phone.
Ever since 5.0.1 upgrade my phone takes ages installing apps. 1-5mb apps that usually took like a couple seconds to install, now takes 20-25 seconds.
Bigger apps takes a lot longer to install. Seeing as updates often come in bulk, my phone can spend anywhere from 2-3 minutes to 15-16 minutes updating.
My phone is xx.401.xx . 100% stock.
Any tips on either how to fix this or if this is just something i have to live with until 5.1?
Thanks in advance.
(Did search for similar threads before posting. In case I overlooked any).
Noticed I posted in wrong forum. Can any moderator please help me put this in Q&A?

Hm i think i can see a difference compared to KK too. Its not as terrible as you described it, but the installation process definately takes longer on my M8.
But i experienced the same on my old Z3 Compact after updating to Lollipop, so maybe the installation process has been changed?

You forgot to mention that optimizing 300 stock apps takes around 30minutes instead of 5 minutes. The main reason for this lag is the art runtime vs the old dalvik.

Vcek said:
You forgot to mention that optimizing 300 stock apps takes around 30minutes instead of 5 minutes. The main reason for this lag is the art runtime vs the old dalvik.
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Not entirely sure I understand what you're getting at here. I'm not talking about the initial boot up after installing 5.0.1. I'm talking about every app update from the market.
I.E. Every time facebook messenger or chrome or any other app realease an update. So this is the daily updating. Not the OTA "optimizing".
-Vulture- said:
Hm i think i can see a difference compared to KK too. Its not as terrible as you described it, but the installation process definately takes longer on my M8.
But i experienced the same on my old Z3 Compact after updating to Lollipop, so maybe the installation process has been changed?
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That might very well be, but that's the answer i'm looking for. Whether this is just something I have to live with, or if there's something that can be done about it.
It's agonizing waiting several minutes to use an app, when I realize there's something I need or want to play w/e.

Sneiper said:
Not entirely sure I understand what you're getting at here. I'm not talking about the initial boot up after installing 5.0.1. I'm talking about every app update from the market.
I.E. Every time facebook messenger or chrome or any other app realease an update. So this is the daily updating. Not the OTA "optimizing".
That might very well be, but that's the answer i'm looking for. Whether this is just something I have to live with, or if there's something that can be done about it.
It's agonizing waiting several minutes to use an app, when I realize there's something I need or want to play w/e.
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the only app I find that takes ages to update or install is faceache I mean facebook, whgy 'o why do they have to put out a new massive update everyday.
after your update to Lollipop, did you do a factory reset ? they recommand this due to the change over from dalvik to ART.

Seanie280672 said:
the only app I find that takes ages to update or install is faceache I mean facebook, whgy 'o why do they have to put out a new massive update everyday.
after your update to Lollipop, did you do a factory reset ? they recommand this due to the change over from dalvik to ART.
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I know. The update frequency on a couple apps is ridicilous.
However. I didn't install the OTA update. I installed the update from zip before the phone prompted. I'm way to impatient to wait for an OTA when I know I can install
Anyhow.. I guess I could try a Hard Reset. What is the best way to make sure my phone is identical after the update? I hate relying on google backup. As more often than not, I find it doesn't install all apps I had pre reset etc. Usually end up installing a ton of apps I had uninstalled, and doesn't install a lot of apps I would've wanted.
To answer your question properly; I did not do a factory reset after the install. As I did it before I even installed the update. Dunno if that makes any difference.

Sneiper said:
I know. The update frequency on a couple apps is ridicilous.
However. I didn't install the OTA update. I installed the update from zip before the phone prompted. I'm way to impatient to wait for an OTA when I know I can install
Anyhow.. I guess I could try a Hard Reset. What is the best way to make sure my phone is identical after the update? I hate relying on google backup. As more often than not, I find it doesn't install all apps I had pre reset etc. Usually end up installing a ton of apps I had uninstalled, and doesn't install a lot of apps I would've wanted.
To answer your question properly; I did not do a factory reset after the install. As I did it before I even installed the update. Dunno if that makes any difference.
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if you factory reset and then installed the RUU then id guess its the same as a full fresh install, the above recomendation only really applies to people who updated with the OTA.

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[Q] Help troubleshooting Google Play freeze after app install

I'd been using FF18 for quite a while without incident, but after upgrading to FI27 (not OTA, via the one-click method), Google Play is hanging the system immediately after successfully downloading and installing any given app. It puts me on the usual page allowing me to open the app, I press open, and wham, the system freezes until it reboots automatically about a minute later. The app that I installed then runs fine.
(In testing this several times, I should mention that one time I actually was able to open an app I just installed, but it hung about 10 seconds in, and the system rebooted as usual. It ran fine after that.)
I've searched around a bit for this and see that I'm hardly the first to encounter this issue. Sometimes it occurs when no recent update has been performed at all. Unfortunately, I haven't really found a solution yet. The best I've seen is to delete the data for Google Play and Download manager, and rebooting, which I've done to no effect. I've also tried uninstalling Google Play, but I think in this case that just leaves me with the same version that I had, the one that came with FI27 (in any case, that didn't help either).
How does one go about troubleshooting this type of problem? I suppose wiping out the phone and starting over would fix it, but I was hoping for more of a surgical rather than nuclear approach. After all, on a PC, you don't reformat when you have a problem with a program.
Have you tried wiping the data for google services framework?
sent from MY BAD A$$ ET4G
patrao_n said:
Have you tried wiping the data for google services framework?
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I hadn't, but I did just now (there was just over 4MB there), along with a reboot following, and unfortunately it didn't help. Maybe Google Play services too, or something else?
Try deleting data for anything that says google play.
sent from MY BAD A$$ ET4G
You stated you upgraded so I'm assuming you didn't do a fresh install. Even if you did do a fresh install, restoring data & apps from an older version could cause problems. You should try a fresh load and work your way back from there.
Edit: Saw you did the one-click. Still think you should try a full wipe and try it again with a fresh load to see how it goes.
patrao_n said:
Try deleting data for anything that says google play.
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I've now done that (though one or two had no data), along with the framework one you mentioned earlier, followed by a reboot, but it still happens. Arghh!
tdunham said:
You stated you upgraded so I'm assuming you didn't do a fresh install. Even if you did do a fresh install, restoring data & apps from an older version could cause problems. You should try a fresh load and work your way back from there.
Edit: Saw you did the one-click. Still think you should try a full wipe and try it again with a fresh load to see how it goes.
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Yes, I chose the nodata FI27, since it said that it was good for same-version or upgrades (in this case, ICS to ICS), but I will choose the nuke-from-space one if there's no way out of this, though wouldn't just resetting to factory defaults at this point do the same thing?
It's a little bit disturbing that an issue with one app, albeit an important (though not essential) one, can require wiping the phone. If this were to come up again for some reason, maybe just one day out of the blue and not related to putting on a new ROM, it would be nice to know a way out.
Perhaps I can grab a log from somewhere with ADB?
rseiler said:
I've now done that (though one or two had no data), along with the framework one you mentioned earlier, followed by a reboot, but it still happens. Arghh!
Yes, I chose the nodata FI27, since it said that it was good for same-version or upgrades (in this case, ICS to ICS), but I will choose the nuke-from-space one if there's no way out of this, though wouldn't just resetting to factory defaults at this point do the same thing?
It's a little bit disturbing that an issue with one app, albeit an important (though not essential) one, can require wiping the phone. If this were to come up again for some reason, maybe just one day out of the blue and not related to putting on a new ROM, it would be nice to know a way out.
Perhaps I can grab a log from somewhere with ADB?
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If you have a custom kernel with recovery make a backup. Or get one and do it and then do a full wipe and fresh load. That is the only way you'll know for sure.
Yes, I will, but I thought I'd live with it a while to see what I could learn.
I've found that opening the newly-installed app is not the issue: simply installing a new app is. If I wait on the "Open" screen right after an install, and do nothing, within a minute the system will freeze and reboot.
Interestingly, updating apps does not trigger the problem, as numerous apps have updated this week, even one that Google Play wanted me to approve manually. Go figure.
Anyway, I have a logcat of an example in case anyone is interested. In this case, I initiated an install at 15:26, which is when the log begins. It ends shortly after the reboot.
http://tny.cz/0b86937c

[Q] Unable to retrieve applications

Hello, I apologize in advance for my writing, but I am French, I do my best not to make too many mistakes
So my problem appeared for the first time today when I wanted to change ROM, I was under ParanoidAndroid, I wanted to go under UKG (UltimatumKang), I wanted to start on something clean, so j 'I utlise Nexus Root Toolkit to do a clean install and replace the stock version before UKG. Once installed UKG, could not get my applications that automatically download normally, they are all on the waiting list, the first is in progress, but it does not move, it's like an infinite loop. When I stop the recovery and I'm trying to download only one application, it works.
Strangely it also do it for the updates, I can not update multiple applications at once, but only one by one.
I'm annoyed because I do not really want to download my apps one by one.
So, someone have an idea ?
EDIT : Now, I've the same problem on stock version of Jelly Bean.
I had this happen once a year or so ago. What had happened was, as I understand it, the Play Store only allows a certain amount of auto-downloads at a certain time. I flashed a ROM, it restored, flashed a different ROM, all downloads stopped. I don't think anybody knows exactly how many, but lets say 50 for example.. After downloading the 50 apps you are allowed to download within the allotted time, you are cut off. The Play Store will allow you to download apps again in 24 hours, you will have to wait it out.
The last time I've use the restoration was two weeks ago, but I'll wait to see.
Thanks a lot for your help ! I appreciate a lot
EDIT : It seems that it's Google Talk/Hangouts who complicate the thing. I'll see it tomorrow.

How do I ensure I DON'T GET kitkat?

I got the notification that the kitkat update was downloaded but after reading there is no flash support I have absolutely no interest in installibg this update. I got a nexus 7 over an iPad solely because I could use flash which is the only game in town on many sites I visit regularly. I got rid of the notification by unchecking notifications in the framework app but I'm worried if my tablet reboots/powers off that I will forced to update before it starts up. Please tell me this is not the case? Also is there a way to delete the download period, even if it's not installed I'd rather it not eating up limited memory that I have.
Flash should work in dolphin
godutch said:
Flash should work in dolphin
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It won't, Google replaced the fast and compatible WebKit engine with the slow as hell and flash incompatible chromium webview...
Gesendet von meinem Nexus 7 mit Tapatalk 4
deezid said:
It won't, Google replaced the fast and compatible WebKit engine with the slow as hell and flash incompatible chromium webview...
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Dolphin use their own engine, if flash does not work on KitKat install dolphin jetpack and choose that as your rendering engine in dolphin settings
godutch said:
Flash should work in dolphin
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Not from what I've read, read on this site an official statement from dolphin saying flash wasn't supported on 4.4. Besides I find that dolphin's flash support is not always the best, i like having a few browsers because I find certain browsers handle certain sites flash better. My biggest concern is if I power the device off will I be forced to update since my nexus 7 has already downloaded but not installed the update. Im perfectly fine with 4.3 except the touch issues when the n7 is not plugged in or in my hands....grounding issue I believe?
godutch said:
Dolphin use their own engine
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Maybe, but WebKit is removed anyway...
https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...-in-android-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-
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Also if I did a factory reset would that force me to 4.4?
northernassassin said:
Also if I did a factory reset would that force me to 4.4?
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Nope...
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northernassassin said:
I got the notification that the kitkat update was downloaded but after reading there is no flash support I have absolutely no interest in installibg this update. I got a nexus 7 over an iPad solely because I could use flash which is the only game in town on many sites I visit regularly. I got rid of the notification by unchecking notifications in the framework app but I'm worried if my tablet reboots/powers off that I will forced to update before it starts up. Please tell me this is not the case? Also is there a way to delete the download period, even if it's not installed I'd rather it not eating up limited memory that I have.
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The one way that I know of how to stop an OTA update first requires that you be rooted. If so you can use an app called Autostarts. Open the app go to Menu click on "Group by application." Scroll down to "Google Services Framework" and click on that. At the top you will see 4 "After Startup" entries. Click on the third "After Startup" entry from the top. In the popup window you should see "SystemUpdateService$Receiver" in the description, that's the one you want to disable. To delete the update I'm not 100% positive but I'm thinking if you delete the cache from Google Services Framework that will delete the update. Or Settings/Storage and click on "Cached data." Honestly, those are guesses because it's been a longtime since I've had to do that! SD Maid Pro will delete the update also but that app also requires root. After flashing the 4.4 factory image when it first came out I went back to 4.3 until I find a replacement for the AOSP Browser, damn it google!
Edit: Decided three weeks ago to give Dolphin another try, installed on my N5 with a hacked version of the flash player and it's working great! Used the factory image to flash 4.4.2 on the N7 and installed Dolphin Browser which now has the Jetpack built-in and it works well! Dolphin Browser with hacked flash player.
northernassassin said:
Not from what I've read, read on this site an official statement from dolphin saying flash wasn't supported on 4.4. Besides I find that dolphin's flash support is not always the best, i like having a few browsers because I find certain browsers handle certain sites flash better. My biggest concern is if I power the device off will I be forced to update since my nexus 7 has already downloaded but not installed the update. Im perfectly fine with 4.3 except the touch issues when the n7 is not plugged in or in my hands....grounding issue I believe?
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I guess I misread the changelog
I'm still not clear as to whether I can power the device off safely without itnforcing me upgrade. I'd really hat to brick my n7 by losing flash support. Also where exactly is the update located so I could possible erase it?
northernassassin said:
I'm still not clear as to whether I can power the device off safely without itnforcing me upgrade. I'd really hat to brick my n7 by losing flash support. Also where exactly is the update located so I could possible erase it?
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It's the zip file in /cache. It will reappear though. Rename /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip. And then don't go into the updates screen again, it will trigger the download which is several hundred megabytes once more. You need to be rooted.
I used the method posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2249350
You need to have root access, but it's worked for me so far.
airberger said:
I used the method posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2249350
You need to have root access, but it's worked for me so far.
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Indeed, just installed this and after a reboot, the prompt has gone away and it tells me the system is up to date. Thanks. And another demonstration that people don't come here simply to get hold of custom roms!
Thanks for all the answers but nobody has yet to give a straight forward answer as to whether I will be forced to update if I reboot my n7. Sometimes I'm forced to reboot when I have a hang up and I'd hate to think when that day comes I'm going to be forced to update to kitkat. I'm also not rooted and would like to stay that way. I know to many of you it seems quite easy but everything I've read makes it seem very daunting and confusing. Kernels, bootloaders, Roms, flashing....its a lot more than I thought it would be when I went android.
northernassassin said:
Thanks for all the answers but nobody has yet to give a straight forward answer as to whether I will be forced to update if I reboot my n7. Sometimes I'm forced to reboot when I have a hang up and I'd hate to think when that day comes I'm going to be forced to update to kitkat. I'm also not rooted and would like to stay that way. I know to many of you it seems quite easy but everything I've read makes it seem very daunting and confusing. Kernels, bootloaders, Roms, flashing....its a lot more than I thought it would be when I went android.
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I have rebooted many times while the update notification was present and never had the upgrade automatically applied.
I haven't rebooted into recovery though so I cannot say if what I said holds if you do that.
For me, I'd just add an empty line to /system/build.prop
It is an empty line so it is assured not to change any behavior and every OTA update will try and patch build.prop at which point it does a SHA1 checksum compare, finds your current build.prop has been modified, and stops the OTA before it even starts modifying a single file.
This assures you that if by accident you select the OTA to install, it won't actually do anything.
You can do similar things with other files, I just chose build.prop as an easy example.
northernassassin said:
Thanks for all the answers but nobody has yet to give a straight forward answer as to whether I will be forced to update if I reboot my n7. Sometimes I'm forced to reboot when I have a hang up and I'd hate to think when that day comes I'm going to be forced to update to kitkat. I'm also not rooted and would like to stay that way. I know to many of you it seems quite easy but everything I've read makes it seem very daunting and confusing. Kernels, bootloaders, Roms, flashing....its a lot more than I thought it would be when I went android.
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If you take your time and read instructions carefully its very easy to root a Nexus 7. Either way, why don't you just reboot it and see if it goes to 4.4 and then do a factory reset. That should bring you back to your out of box jelly bean. Of course you'd lose your data but you can back that all up.
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I deleted the update from /cache and got rid of the notification but if I go to system,about device,updates it still tells me the update is "downloaded and verified". How can I make it realize the update is no longer there?
northernassassin said:
I got the notification that the kitkat update was downloaded but after reading there is no flash support I have absolutely no interest in installibg this update. I got a nexus 7 over an iPad solely because I could use flash which is the only game in town on many sites I visit regularly. I got rid of the notification by unchecking notifications in the framework app but I'm worried if my tablet reboots/powers off that I will forced to update before it starts up. Please tell me this is not the case? Also is there a way to delete the download period, even if it's not installed I'd rather it not eating up limited memory that I have.
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Flash now works on kitkat in dolphin: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2548001
wantabe said:
The one way that I know of how to stop an OTA update first requires that you be rooted. If so you can use an app called Autostarts. Open the app go to Menu click on "Group by application." Scroll down to "Google Services Framework" and click on that. At the top you will see 4 "After Startup" entries. Click on the third "After Startup" entry from the top. In the popup window you should see "SystemUpdateService$Receiver" in the description, that's the one you want to disable. To delete the update I'm not 100% positive but I'm thinking if you delete the cache from Google Services Framework that will delete the update. Or Settings/Storage and click on "Cached data." Honestly, those are guesses because it's been a longtime since I've had to do that! SD Maid Pro will delete the update also but that app also requires root. After flashing the 4.4 factory image when it first came out I went back to 4.3 until I find a replacement for the AOSP Browser, damn it google!
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Hello, I did that ^^^^^^^^^^ using autostarts and checked it several times to be sure I had it correct.
All seemed good, except today an update from VZW went through on me and I didn't want it to. I looked in the cache dir and nothing was in there, yet the phone kept saying it wanted to install the update. I kept telling it not right now, but after awhile it had a mind of it's own and installed/updated anyhow. My VZW GS4 went from MJ7 to MK2 not even sure what changes it made, I'm still on JB 4.3 and I don't want KitKat 4.4
I don't understand how the update came through and where it was d/l to, I checked yet again and the "SystemUpdateService$Receiver" is disabled, exactly as shown in your pics. The broke my Root, but I still showed custom when it re-booted, so it wasn't too hard to establish Root again. Now I'm very worried that sooner or later they are going to push/force KitKat 4.4 to the S4 and I don't want it; I should have a choice to not accept it, it's my device that I paid for
Any ideas on this before KK 4.4 bites me?
Thanks

A couple of issues with a barebones ROM

I loaded the ROM in this thread and am having a couple of issues...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481234
I am not new to ROMs but this is the first time I have spent any real time with anything other than a stock flash or a CM stable or nightly. I will list my issues below but am not sure if I should just pursue a different ROM for my needs or if I should spend more time troubleshooting it.
1) I get a google apps error when I first boot my phone. "Unfortunately the process com.google.process.gapps has stopped"
2) google hangout sends but does not receive
3) instagram will not load my feed. I can install and login but get no content.
All I have really done is remove and reinstall apps. I did have to load the modem from the link the dev supplied to get data to work but it has been OK since. I was thinking about reinstalling the google apps package but didnt want to spend a bunch of time on it. I haven't seen huge performance differences really. I was jsut trying to save the time of going in and manually stripping out some of the sprint crap I don't use. I really only had two objectives with htis flash. First to avoid the Knox update and second, to make my life easier than going back through with a system cleanup app. I also secretly like the Sprint touchwiz interface but that is just a comfort thing really.
So what do you guys think? keep plugging at this or go to a less stripped ROM?
Hey, I'm sorry you are having issues. I don't think you should flash a gapps package. Did you completely wipe the phone before installing Barebones? I have another version you can try if you'd like. Try flashing version 1.0 and see if it works better.
Pretty sure I did. Its part of my usual routine to wipe it all before flashing anything. I did remember that I added an ad blocker app. When I removed that instagram and hangouts started working again. Now I just get the error at startup. Going to use the phone as is for a day before I decide to do anything else. Thanks for the help.
Let me know how it's working, I removed quite a bit so maybe I need to redo it. I don't think anyone had issues with v1.0 though. Thanks for the feedback

[Q] how to remove/disable update notification

I am unrooted and trying to find a way to keep from getting this notification. It downloaded
on its own-didnt do that with 2 previous updates. do i have to just keep ignoring it?
I have searched forums and net to no avail. btw, update and/or root not an option either.
thx for any ideas.
r, john
jb40 said:
I am unrooted and trying to find a way to keep from getting this notification. It downloaded
on its own-didnt do that with 2 previous updates. do i have to just keep ignoring it?
I have searched forums and net to no avail. btw, update and/or root not an option either.
thx for any ideas.
r, john
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Not sure what version you're running, but you should be able to go to Setting, Applications (Applications Manager) whatever you have.
Find Samsung Update, stop it and uncheck notifications.
Sorry, I thought it was assumed. Im on ver 4.1.2
Also, the update comes from att. Greyed out in
App manager. Now what?
jb40 said:
Sorry, I thought it was assumed. Im on ver 4.1.2
Also, the update comes from att. Greyed out in
App manager. Now what?
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With root not an option, not too sure....
I have ideas....
I'm really not sure if download has really been completed. You should have been prompted multiple times to accept the update, and the download.
Same goes for installing it, it requires multiple prompts and you must say continue.
So, the download gets saved in the /cache directory. If I'm right, and I should be, you should be able to power your phone down,
Then boot into stock recovery and clear cache which will delete the downloaded cache update file.
Boot into stock recovery (HOLD VOL UP+HOME+POWER)
Picture of stock recovery
http://galaxys2root.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/att-galaxys2-unroot-11-690x404.jpg
You want to choose wipe cache partition.
Then when you boot back up, race over to Settings, Applications again and stop the update service. I'd leave notifications turned on for now just to watch what the update process is attempting.
The dl started on its own. Finished too I would bet. Tried killing dl by reboot.
No joy.att must really want us to have this-I had to fetch the 2 previous updates
As I mentioned. Now I have cont/pp dialogue every 8 hrs. Process for notification is
Com.wssyncmldm -afraid to use stock recovery- I dontknow that it wont goof up
Something else-and my cache directory shows empty. (Using es explorer)
jb40 said:
The dl started on its own. Finished too I would bet. Tried killing dl by reboot.
No joy.att must really want us to have this-I had to fetch the 2 previous updates
As I mentioned. Now I have cont/pp dialogue every 8 hrs. Process for notification is
Com.wssyncmldm -afraid to use stock recovery- I dontknow that it wont goof up
Something else-and my cache directory shows empty. (Using es explorer)
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You have to be root to really see what's in /cache.
Stock recovery really is harmless, for the most part. If you choose data/factory reset all of your installed apps (ones that you have downloaded and installed) are torched and your settings, like Google account info, mail setup etc.
Cleaning out /cache is a good thing.
Maybe someone else will stop by and have another suggestion, but since you said root is not an option, I can't think of another way right now to stop it from bugging.
Well, i suspected there was nothing i could do without root. something simple. the greyed out att update process
along with the attempt to force feed the update to me speaks volumes. to me. I've seen way too much of things i
don't like with this 4.3 silliness(improve my hardware, ok). they're going to have to do better than bug me every
8 hours to get me to install it....
thanks for the suggestions,
r, john
jb40 said:
Well, i suspected there was nothing i could do without root. something simple. the greyed out att update process
along with the attempt to force feed the update to me speaks volumes. to me. I've seen way too much of things i
don't like with this 4.3 silliness(improve my hardware, ok). they're going to have to do better than bug me every
8 hours to get me to install it....
thanks for the suggestions,
r, john
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You are wise to avoid that locked down bootloader with Knox...g
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