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Disadvantages in Rooting Now vs Later

I've had my Desire for a few weeks now. My only issue is the lack of space for apps.
I really want APP2SD and I understand that google will implement it officially soon.
Is there any disadvantages of rooting now instead of waiting till later?
If I root now and a new method that allows me to access recovery (like my previous hero and magic) comes out later, will I be able to take advantage of it?
regards,
Ice

It's very easy to do that. If anything new comes out that allows easier recovery mode access then all you need to do is "unroot" the phone by flashing a stock rom and you're back to square one again.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675202
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675541
can't you keep it in the same thread? =='
If you don't wanna use the search function, that's up to you, but a least look at thread in the first page. thanks.

I do apologise, I guess I thought my main issue was slightly different.
that is, that if I use paul's method, My concern is the inability to reflash a recovery akin to that of magic or hero's recovery in the future.

Is there any particular function you want that you don't already have? You don't want to be rooting just because you can.
As of right now the nexus one still can't "relock" the bootloader, so i don't know when you can do it with the Desire. If the only function you want is app2sd then i suggest you wait.

i personally would rather wait
coming from a HD2, constantly flashing a new ROM was proven to cause issues as there were file fragments left behind from previous builds which were causing problems
the only solution to this was a full format of the entire phone and then flash a new ROM (this took a long time to develop)
i am currently unaware of a method of formatting the Desire to this degree and believe that constantly flashing different ROMs will make bugs in the system.
*speaking from HD2 experience here..

Mokurex said:
Is there any particular function you want that you don't already have? You don't want to be rooting just because you can.
As of right now the nexus one still can't "relock" the bootloader, so i don't know when you can do it with the Desire. If the only function you want is app2sd then i suggest you wait.
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That's because the Nexus One can be officially unlocked using that method. Google released the phone with that ability almost straight out of the box at the cost of your warranty.
The Desire however can be easily unrooted. All you need to do is flash back to a stock HTC rom and it will be back to normal.

abc27 said:
The Desire however can be easily unrooted. All you need to do is flash back to a stock HTC rom and it will be back to normal.
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Ahhh I see. Then i guess it wouldn't hurt to root it becuase you can always "unroot"?

Mokurex said:
Ahhh I see. Then i guess it wouldn't hurt to root it becuase you can always "unroot"?
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Yes exactly. When the Desire and the Nexus One were being compared people were saying that they prefer the Nexus because it was rooted. Now look who's laughing

[Q] root or not root... I can't choose, help :P

Oke, quick question guys.
I have an unbranded HTC Desire UNROOTED, haven't rooted it yet...
It came with 2.2 and fully working etc..
My following question, is it worth it to root my phone and get a ROM?
What are the benefits of using a ROM on HTC Desire...
Because I've been reading comments on different ROMs for ages now and I just can't figure out which is best and has everything working.
I want a clean ROM which I then can flash a theme on, so it probably should not be odexed. Sorry for so many questions I just want to be sure.
So basically my question is root or not root, and if root, which ROM.
Share your experiences please, thanks !

Same here, what are the disadvantages to ROMs and rooting over a stock ROM??? Just problems with changing SD cards? Stability? Bugs??

a2sd+ and ****load of space for apps is no. 1 for me.

Every rom is stable enough for heavy everyday usage, unless they are marked as experimental, beta or something along those lines.
Youll be able to install as many apps you want with a2sd+ which is better than stock FroYo a2sd as all of the apps actually go onto the sd card.
Speed is massively improved on vanilla and sense roms, which is always lovely.
Endless mods too. Youll be able to pick themes for your roms, and even make your own if youre up to it.
Hopefully that will convert you
Sent from my HTC Desire

GANJDROID said:
Every rom is stable enough for heavy everyday usage, unless they are marked as experimental, beta or something along those lines.
Youll be able to install as many apps you want with a2sd+ which is better than stock FroYo a2sd as all of the apps actually go onto the sd card.
Speed is massively improved on vanilla and sense roms, which is always lovely.
Endless mods too. Youll be able to pick themes for your roms, and even make your own if youre up to it.
Hopefully that will convert you
Sent from my HTC Desire
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...but, if you're happy with the performance and features of the stock ROM then there's probably no need. Most of us here do it just cos we can....
Oh, and just a warning, if you do root your device and start flashing different ROMS you may not be able to stop. Has been known to cause many problems, typically with wives and girlfriends.

I have hboot version greater than 0.75 (0.93 I think) and stock UK 2.2 ROM with latest update, can I still root and flash?

i also want to root, but im waiting for unrevoked v3.2.1, however im not sure if it works with hboot 0.93 (which im also on) can someone clarify that it works or doesn't??
Thanks

cr1960 said:
...but, if you're happy with the performance and features of the stock ROM then there's probably no need. Most of us here do it just cos we can....
Oh, and just a warning, if you do root your device and start flashing different ROMS you may not be able to stop. Has been known to cause many problems, typically with wives and girlfriends.
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Thats very true, but rooting basically unlocks everything, except system access, but thats nearly done
Haha, yeah, they do get quite peeved when you pay more attention on your phone than them
As for the hboot people, I think all hboots have been rooted, you just need to search the development forum.
Sent from my HTC Desire

I have rooted my phone and I'm happy I did it.
Just like the feeling of it that it can do more now and not be limited.

the new unrEVOked can root HBOOT 0.93 as I did it before going back to stock

I downgraded first, shouldn't make a different on how the ROM runs.

So downgrade hboot and then root and flash.

Right, but rooting messes up the OTA updates...

Rooting only affects otas if your not on an official rom.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

cr1960 said:
...but, if you're happy with the performance and features of the stock ROM then there's probably no need. Most of us here do it just cos we can....
Oh, and just a warning, if you do root your device and start flashing different ROMS you may not be able to stop. Has been known to cause many problems, typically with wives and girlfriends.
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So true.. thats why I havent rooted.... yet...

chichoko said:
So true.. thats why I havent rooted.... yet...
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LOLOL...
That´s so true, my girlfriend hates my phone...
Had it rooted for a few weeks installed 2 or 3 rom´s, a few theme mod´s....
get it back to unroot status, why?
first of all the new radio gives u less battery drains, u still have froyo with stock rom, fast and stable and most important issue of all, WARRANTY...
i already bricked on Magic 32A

MrUsta said:
Right, but rooting messes up the OTA updates...
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U can use OTA updates with root, but you need to use fake flash to enter custom recovery, if u flash the custom recovery, removing the original one, u get an error when trying to update via OTA

And why finally decided to root my phone?
1. Because I love modifying gadgets.
2. More options, more space by extension.
3. You can always go back to unroot.
4. Theme Sense or Non-Sense.
5. Backup whole ROM.
Etc..
Those are the advantages I was looking for.
And I'm happy with it and had no trouble!
The updates will be on a ROM too anyways.

Don't ROOT
If i knew it was so hard to UNROOT i wouldn't have ROOTED in the first place...!

Why do you need to unroot so badly and what is preventing you?
So any other advantages of rooting apart from increasing internal memory? For stability and productivity, what ROMs are recommend? Is class two Sandisk ok for app2sd+? Can the ext3 partition be backed up or copied to another card?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

New EVO with 2.2....Is There a Way to Root?

I've never rooted anything but now that I've ditched the EPIC the first question becomes....is there a way to get full root with a new device that has stock FROYO loaded?
I have not yet installed this morning update and figured I'd wait to see about rooting.
What I would like to accomplish is to get rid of all the pre-loaded crap, realize some better battery life and then get the FPS update.
So...assuming I can root, do I then flash a custom rom or?
Seriously....your assistance would be greatly appreciated as the plethora of how to threads gets rather confusing here

I got my Evo a few days after Froyo was released, so the Sprint rep updated it for me. The simple root method is, well, simple. Just use that and then flash any rom you choose and yes you will be able to rid your phone of all the bulk software. Depending on the rom and how you configure your device, battery life will vary.
One of the biggest decisions you'll have to make is choosing between a sense rom or the stock android look. Some roms combine both. Cyanogen my recommendation If you want to try the stock look, it's also the fastest I've used. As for sense roms, I'de suggest you try em' all.
So what made you switch from the Epic? I was thinking about trying it out...

jfenton57 said:
I've never rooted anything but now that I've ditched the EPIC the first question becomes....is there a way to get full root with a new device that has stock FROYO loaded?
I have not yet installed this morning update and figured I'd wait to see about rooting.
What I would like to accomplish is to get rid of all the pre-loaded crap, realize some better battery life and then get the FPS update.
So...assuming I can root, do I then flash a custom rom or?
Seriously....your assistance would be greatly appreciated as the plethora of how to threads gets rather confusing here
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unrevoked seems to do the job... even after applying the ota update u stay with s-off which lets u flash custom recovery and roms.
one thing that does suck with being rooted this way is that the engineering boot gives u much more than what the new one does... but thats for more advanced users.

yea rooted mine today using unrevoked but was on mac so was a little easier to do but is still a simple process from what it was before look around on youtube and on these forums youll find what your looking for just a simple search and your golden

Sooks said:
I got my Evo a few days after Froyo was released, so the Sprint rep updated it for me. The simple root method is, well, simple. Just use that and then flash any rom you choose and yes you will be able to rid your phone of all the bulk software. Depending on the rom and how you configure your device, battery life will vary.
One of the biggest decisions you'll have to make is choosing between a sense rom or the stock android look. Some roms combine both. Cyanogen my recommendation If you want to try the stock look, it's also the fastest I've used. As for sense roms, I'de suggest you try em' all.
So what made you switch from the Epic? I was thinking about trying it out...
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Here you go. Its not the easiest way but youll learn more doing it this way... at the very least read through it before you go the one click route.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765496
Roms? Just start clicking and reading. Pretty much every rom has a description and instructions on how to flash.

I truly appreciate the replies
One question I have is this....
Is one root method better than others?
Also, can one un root if need be more easily with one root method vs another?
Lastly....do all root methods still allow the camera to work or?

jfenton57 said:
I truly appreciate the replies
One question I have is this....
Is one root method better than others?
Also, can one un root if need be more easily with one root method vs another?
Lastly....do all root methods still allow the camera to work or?
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Camera issues seem all fixed on the all the roms, but that's more of a rom issue not a root issue.
You can un-root, re-root, run a RUU, run a rooted stock rom, etc. there's so many choices I suggest you go to the guides in one of the first posts and start reading.

jfenton57 said:
I truly appreciate the replies
One question I have is this....
Is one root method better than others?
Also, can one un root if need be more easily with one root method vs another?
Lastly....do all root methods still allow the camera to work or?
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Better? Thats a matter of opinion. One click will put you on clockwork recovery which has had a lot of issues as far as not wiping correctly and that can cause problems flashing rom to rom so if you choose that method I'd switch to Amon_Ras recovery. Just run a search to find it.
Unrooting is the same no matter how you root.
A root method wont break your camera.

Again...
The assistance from you folks is much appreciated

[Q] Thinking about rooting my one x should i wait for s-off?

Hi,
I am thinking about rooting my one x because it doesn't have hardware or software faults and i don't think I need to send it for warranty. But just incase I will need to in future will I be able to relock it? without htc knowing it when s-off for one x is available.
Thanks

Reload147 said:
Hi,
I am thinking about rooting my one x because it doesn't have hardware or software faults and i don't think I need to send it for warranty. But just incase I will need to in future will I be able to relock it? without htc knowing it when s-off for one x is available.
Thanks
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i dont think so

Might be possible, unless there's something on the phone how would HTC know that we've actually used the unlock code apart from it saying unlocked. There might be a way in the future to wipe these stats if there are any.
Like in the Samsung devices there a custom binary which shows how many times you've flashed you can reset this with a jig.
I'm sure we can revert back to original when we get S-OFF but it's whether any other information is recorded somewhere on the phone by using htcdev.
For what's its worth I couldn't wait and used htcdev.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

I'd actually be curious myself if it records somewhere that you used the unlock on it. I'd kind of be surprised if it didn't actually. But you can definitely flash back a stock rom and relock it. Whether that'd work if you sent it in for warranty or not, I don't know. I'm sure someone has tried and can verify though.
I think when you sign up with HTCDev and get the unlock key for your device, you're accepting immediately that signing up alone may void your warranty, but they leave the wording loose so it's difficult to actually tell. It's a nice way out of the warranty for them if they don't want to fix something and you've signed up on HTCDev.

Ok thank you very much guys. Im going to root my phone because it doesn't look like s-off for one x is going to come out soon. What stuff do you guys have on rooted one x?ow

Reload147 said:
Ok thank you very much guys. Im going to root my phone because it doesn't look like s-off for one x is going to come out soon. What stuff do you guys have on rooted one x?ow
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Charmeleon rom, Francos kernel as a start.
For root purposes I use:
AdAway to get rid of ads,
Root Explorer to delete system/app bloatware,
Titanium Backup Pro to backup data app very useful for switching roms,
Autostarts to stop applications from auto starting on boot,
Those are my main root applications along with Super User.
Charmeleon rom is excellent with its vast array of tweaks.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Reload147 said:
Ok thank you very much guys. Im going to root my phone because it doesn't look like s-off for one x is going to come out soon. What stuff do you guys have on rooted one x?ow
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I am on Energy ROM and am really happy with it, has been a fan of NRGZ for some time
Franco's R9 kernel + his kernel updater
No-Frills CPU
CoreControl
AdFree (comes with Energy ROM)
SuperSU Pro by chainfire
Titanium Backup pro.
Rom Manager

[Q] Thinking of moving to jelly bean htc sense+...

hi I'm pretty new to the android os and I'm thinking about jailbreaking my HTC one x (tegra) to get jellybean, which im sick of waiting for and to get better performance. the thing is, iv read/watched a lot of guides on how to jailbreak/flash the one x and there is some confusing points and points in which the guides contradicts themselves. so just a few questions:
can you revert back to factory settings at any point? iv read in some guides that its impossible, I can't see why though?
what exactly is a ruu? is it the equivalent to a bios? is hboot a ruu?
I know that it is possible to brick your phone if you delete the ruu (hence why you use clockworkmod) but it seems stupid that the phone won't even know how to charge itself, is it that easy to brick?
iv heard that you can update the kernal, what's the advantage of doing this?
any tips on what to do and avoid when doing this, we all have to start somewhere
iv been using this as a main reference for the Rom I'm wanting to use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601543
thanks in advance

almostrodney said:
hi I'm pretty new to the android os and I'm thinking about jailbreaking my HTC one x (tegra) to get jellybean, which im sick of waiting for and to get better performance. the thing is, iv read/watched a lot of guides on how to jailbreak/flash the one x and there is some confusing points and points in which the guides contradicts themselves. so just a few questions:
can you revert back to factory settings at any point? iv read in some guides that its impossible, I can't see why though?
what exactly is a ruu? is it the equivalent to a bios? is hboot a ruu?
I know that it is possible to brick your phone if you delete the ruu (hence why you use clockworkmod) but it seems stupid that the phone won't even know how to charge itself, is it that easy to brick?
iv heard that you can update the kernal, what's the advantage of doing this?
any tips on what to do and avoid when doing this, we all have to start somewhere
iv been using this as a main reference for the Rom I'm wanting to use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601543
thanks in advance
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a RUU is a leaked official version of an update, it is like a custom rom but it is stock and from HTC... when you buy an HTC phone it has certain RUU installed on it.
jailbreak is for iphones (which everyone here should hate), use the word "root" and "S-OFF" and "unlocked bootloader" when you are using an android phone
you can revert back to stock only if the RUU that you're on it has already been leaked.
the HOX is very very hard to brick! but sometimes i see cases of soft-brick which is easy to solve by the way.
our phone unfortunately doesn't have S-OFF (like almost every HTC phone out there except for the ONE X) so every time you flash a rom you have to flash the corresponding boot.img which contains important file to let your phone run with a certain custom rom.

matt95 said:
a RUU is a leaked official version of an update, it is like a custom rom but it is stock and from HTC... when you buy an HTC phone it has certain RUU installed on it.
jailbreak is for iphones (which everyone here should hate), use the word "root" and "S-OFF" and "unlocked bootloader" when you are using an android phone
you can revert back to stock only if the RUU that you're on it has already been leaked.
the HOX is very very hard to brick! but sometimes i see cases of soft-brick which is easy to solve by the way.
our phone unfortunately doesn't have S-OFF (like almost every HTC phone out there except for the ONE X) so every time you flash a rom you have to flash the corresponding boot.img which contains important file to let your phone run with a certain custom rom.
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Thanks for the swift reply, sorry I called it that, I had a iPhone for years but I ended up hating it(just it as a mp3 player now lol).
Well I currently havent done anything to my one x so its stock, but what I'm saying/asking is, surely I can just load a stock Rom and bootloader and be back to square one?
And as for the rom/boot.IMG I can see why it is a bit more complicated. So what's, in your opinion, the biggest reason to/you've flashed from stock?
Thanks again!

There is no way for 100% back to stock (for now). Unlocking bootloader voids your warranty.
Why unlock and flash cutom rom? - Custom roms are far better than stock, better performance, longer battery life... no limit of customizing your phone.
The downside for me is only loosing warranty.

almostrodney said:
Thanks for the swift reply, sorry I called it that, I had a iPhone for years but I ended up hating it(just it as a mp3 player now lol).
Well I currently havent done anything to my one x so its stock, but what I'm saying/asking is, surely I can just load a stock Rom and bootloader and be back to square one?
And as for the rom/boot.IMG I can see why it is a bit more complicated. So what's, in your opinion, the biggest reason to/you've flashed from stock?
Thanks again!
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because every phone i buy (android of course) will get rooted! custom roms are awesome, and nerdy

So once you unlock your bootloader and put a new Rom on you loose your warrenty because you can't revert and hide the fact that's what you did?
Hmm I don't know if I should mess with this then, I would but iv not long got my phone back from warranty because of the hardware WiFi issue.
Can anyone really sell to me why I should flash? I mean I'm interested in doing it.

almostrodney said:
So once you unlock your bootloader and put a new Rom on you loose your warrenty because you can't revert and hide the fact that's what you did?
Hmm I don't know if I should mess with this then, I would but iv not long got my phone back from warranty because of the hardware WiFi issue.
Can anyone really sell to me why I should flash? I mean I'm interested in doing it.
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yes, you can't hide, once you have unlocked, that you have voided your warranty... you won't ever have something as stable and fast as custom roms, that's why you should root and unlock your phone

right so better proformace and better battery, is there anything else you root for? i mean what does everyone else root for, for that matter?? i mean i keep looking at my phone and thinking. Hmmm should i, shouldent i? lol