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*RANT* AAARRRRGGGG!!!! Curse you stock lollipop note 4

(I know there isnt any solution except to root and flash to a custom, just ranting. Thanks ahead to those who dont flame me)
Hey guys,
its been some time since my last post and boy is this one a headache. as many of you know the 5.0.1 update got rolled out to a major portion of note 4 devices recently. Me being one of them as of yesterday. Since I made the bad decision to click update I have had nothing but issues. Battery life, overall performance and graphics have taken heavy hits. My gear 2 only unlocked my phone and randomly dialed ppl maybe 2 times a day before now its 15. I mean i called my ex at 3am.....long story but hell! its gotten to be a huge headache. The chromecast refuses to connect or be setup by my note 4. It insists that theres some new wifi network issue that wasnt there the night before when I casted some youtube to the tv. My gear 2 has also had constant connection issues, not nearly the range it had before.
The most annoying issue which is also related to the excessive pocket dials is that everytime I pick up(and even when its just laying there not being touched) my phone and unlock it, it immediately takes me to the phone/contacts. No pressing anything, no swiping, just looking at the screen as i pick up the phone some how indicates that I was finished with whatever I was doing before and want to suddenly call someone up. So it doesnt matter what I do this thing is just being difficult. The new phone pop up is a nightmare I somehow hung up on 3 ppl today while just holding it against me ear, wasnt even resting on my shoulder.
now excuse me while i eat some cheese....

Factory reset and you'll find it smoother, quicker and less buggy.
The user file system is mixed lollipop and KitKat until you do that. Try that if wipe, root and custom is not your thing.

samep said:
Factory reset and you'll find it smoother, quicker and less buggy.
The user file system is mixed lollipop and KitKat until you do that. Try that if wipe, root and custom is not your thing.
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Ya i figured as much. thanks for the reply

actually all you have to do is clear the cache and it stablizes.. But i do feel the Note 4 is has more hicups with the 5.0.1 update.
i just have not found a ROM yet that i want to flash. Still waiting for the Cyanogen official.

All lollipop roms have issuses with performance. My nexus 6 was really buggy to the point i sold it and picked up a lg g flex 2 running 5.0.1 and it was slower than my g3. So far after selling that device and getting the note 4 the note 4 with lolipop seem the most fluid out of the bunch. It's gonna take several updated for this lolipop os to run like kit kat. Maybe take years.

Maybe when 5.1 comes they fixed alot

[Q] Note 8 ROM 4.4.2 or 4.2.2?

Sorry if this is a basic, or "stupid" question.. but i have been out of the rom game for a while. I sent my Note 8 back in for service about a year ago, and got hit with out of warranty because of root. ... so, since i got it back, i hadn't messed with it.
I am ready to move forward and had a quick question, or two.
1) I remember hearing that if you upgraded to 4.4.2 that there were problems with the s-pen not being in proper alignment. It was not correct in the official release and no ROMS fixed it. Is this still the case? if not, which ROMS do it best?
2) I vaguely remember hearing that battery life may not be as great on 4.4.2. Is this true?
3) is there any real reason to not just root 4.2.2 and leave it? any major improvements in 4.4.2 or roms that make the jump worthwhile?
thanks ! Looking forward to getting down to business with my Note 8. Most impr9otantly, with root, NO MORE ADS!!!!!

AFAIK there currently is no root available for 4.4.2.
I'm running 4.4.2, and I have no problems with my S Pen. Although, yes, the battery life is HORRIBLE. ill be at 32%, open netflix, start a show, and its down to 12%.

[Q] who still uses KK on the tab??

just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...

Monster212 said:
just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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I don't own tab but personally I think lollipop is a failed OS. Too bad for battery life although overall performance is better.
Back to kitkat N9005 Tweaked3.95 + LK3.17

My T800 ran for 260 days on kitkat without needing to be rebooted or tuned off even once now that is stability and i used it every day, when i did turn it off it was just to recalibrate the battery.
Too many reported problems with lollipop from less battery life, to lines on the screen, touchscreen problem, flash led problems, too much white in the stock apps and setting menu, stupid on an oled display.
I rooted my T800 and fixed the microsd problem, added AC3 support to the stock video player so why do i need kitkat, not saying i will not upgrade in the future to android m.
John.

I'm in the process of downgrade right now!

Ye i just flashed lollipop rom yesterday and now im rolling back to kk, i dont know if samsung is just trolling or what. you get a tiny status bar & notif panel then a blown up recent app manager, wtf? Plus no official xposed, and everything is just white & sky blue :/

A lot of people on SamMobile are saying that lollipop is a wasted update as it offers nothing new, and introduces a load of problems, also they are not happy at the way Samsung releases the updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/16/samsungs-software-update-policy-is-seriously-messed-up/
John.

For now, I believe they'll keep releasing 5.0 for older devices, and 5.1 for new ones.
Older models will always be one step behind, it's called marketing and forcing "impatient customers" to upgrade their device.
Although I notice these T700 and T800 5.0 versions keep getting patched with new updates and more stability, I believe we'll only get 5.1 when Android M is released for newer devices.
Then after 1, 2, or 3 years from release date and depending on each device, they are forgotten by the manufacturer and software updates are stopped, hoping you'll buy again a newer model, regardless of your device purchase date and condition.
And this in a way, explains why the XDA community is strong.

I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.

Yeah, I choked on the lollipop, but i loved the chocolaty goodness of kitkat, stay on kitkat and don't be a sucker.
John.

hurdlejade said:
I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.

When you say performance are you talking about gaming? , if so a lot of people don't game or only use simple games that don't require a great deal of system performance.
I don't game, and i have not seen any laginess on kitkat, i had it running 260 days without any problems i did not reset or shut-down a single time.
John.
pacc said:
In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
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With LP you do need to reboot now and then due to ram leak problem.
Let's say LP is faster than KK at the beginning and after a few days it crawls due to ram leak, until you reboot and it's pristine again for the next days.

To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.

It`s great if you can tune lollipop the way you want, but most people cannot do this, and get stuck on a buggy stock rom until the next official update, which might never arrive, thank-you Samsung.
John.

Hookmt said:
To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.

ashyx said:
Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
3DSammy said:
I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
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Assuming you are asking about my Tab S experience, I used the guide in this forum to root without tripping Knox. I had to downgrade to stock Kitkat then root then upgrade to stock Lollipop. As soon as you downgrade using Odin you must do a factory reset in stock recovery, so yes I reset and always after the firmware change. In fact I've done the whole process several times as I've tried theming and every time I changed framework-res.apk it borked the UI and I need to do the whole process again.
At this time I've sworn off changing framework-res.apk. It is not a total write off as Flashfire back ups recover everything like a nadroid backup. Its weakness is that if you cannot start the app you can not do a restore. All that due to not wanting to loose my warranty on a two month old device so cannot flash a custom recovery like TWRP.
I did successfully flash from Lollipop B0E2 to B0E3 (boot, recover, system images) using Flashfire. That upgrade did not require a factory reset. In fact my user data, apps, root (SuperSU) and settings remained intact. All I need to do was re-flash any SuperSU policies I had previously installed along with any apps I installed in /system such as Viper4Android.
Specifically the upgrade and resulting experience was almost identical to upgrading Lollipop on my Nexus devices (5.0 through to 5.1.1), which is very easy and never required a factory reset. Although I usually clear the cache/dalvik just to be safe.

So, Umm... Should I Update?

Hello everyone.
As I'm sure many of you are, I'm caught in the boat of owning a VZW Note 4, loving it mostly, yet pining for the days of controlling my own hardware. As of right now, I'm on the very first 5.0.1 update... Waiting.
The version I'm on has terrible battery drain issues. Is it worth waiting at this version any longer?
I honestly don't want to root the device for features... I enjoy a lot of what's going on on this phone. I'm just convinced some of those Samsung processes running are watching something I do. I just want to control which processes run on my phone.
I'd just like to see what others have done / think. Thanks!

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Hello everyone.
As I'm sure many of you are, I'm caught in the boat of owning a VZW Note 4, loving it mostly, yet pining for the days of controlling my own hardware. As of right now, I'm on the very first 5.0.1 update... Waiting.
The version I'm on has terrible battery drain issues. Is it worth waiting at this version any longer?
I honestly don't want to root the device for features... I enjoy a lot of what's going on on this phone. I'm just convinced some of those Samsung processes running are watching something I do. I just want to control which processes run on my phone.
I'd just like to see what others have done / think. Thanks!
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I'm thinking possibly new Nexus. I kind of give up. I love my Note but eff Samsung.
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My battery life is amazing. I also ran the debloater and blocked a ton of apps. The phone is a beast.
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@extensive What version are you on? 5.0.1? I'm not denying the phone is a beast, though I'm certain my battery life is terrible compared to the last 4.X.X version. If the debloater will help with that, I'm all about it!
Edit: and a follow up question... Does the debloater work with whatever the most recent version is? Thanks very much!

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I'm stock, I've taken all the updates. I get great battery life, but I also disable pretty much every Google and Verizon service on the phone because I don't use a single one with the exception of the play store. This phone has been out for a year now, the likelihood of permanent root coming is slim to none. Closer to none.
Most people keep a phone for 18 months to 2 years. I take each update gladly because at the end of the day, I'd rather enjoy using my phone than to hold off while it depreciates in value and reaches the end of it's lifespan. I'd hate to to see myself in March or April thinking, "Geeeeeeez, I'm still on Kit Kat but I know somebody is going to obtain permanent root any day now." LOL
Oh, and to be honest, you've got far more to worry about with Google watching what you do than with Samsung. The entire OS and all the services are built to watch what you do, Samsung just wants to cell you expensive phones, hence why the closer to the end of the lifespan, their phones start to get glitchier and slower, etc......... Then they can repeat the cycle. Been down that road three times with them.

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@extensive What version are you on? 5.0.1? I'm not denying the phone is a beast, though I'm certain my battery life is terrible compared to the last 4.X.X version. If the debloater will help with that, I'm all about it!
Edit: and a follow up question... Does the debloater work with whatever the most recent version is? Thanks very much!
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Look at your build number. Are you on BOAF? I was on that, that's the version you're able to downgrade to 4.4.4, so I did so so I was able to temp root. I'd noticed terrible battery drain in comparison to 5.0.1 BOAF. I'd read that a FDR fixes that issue. There are other updates past BOAF, which I'm sure you're aware of, but are not downgradable, so you'd be stuck in 5.0.1 or above forever. If you did downgrade to 4.4.4, you can take the OTA no problem, and it'll set you back into 5.0.1 BOAF, I've done this a few times by just taking a chance.
In terms of the whole root situation, I'm not happy with the progress. KingRoot does root it, but I've always had problems with SuperSU-Me Pro, which is attributed to the write protection, I'm sure. I must have an app that interferes with it all, so maybe that's why it won't work correctly. That being said, I might just forget the whole thing and just go ahead and take the OTAs and kiss the thought of root goodbye. I really don't know why a root hasn't been found for our Verizon Note 4 on 5.0.1, even though root has been found on other 5.0.1 devices. Maybe it's because Verizon takes so damn long to release updates, such that they make sure vulnerabilities are patched, so people can't root their devices, which sucks.

I'm on the latest stock LP 5.0.1 and have used the debloater and my note 4s both get awesome battery life. They get the same if not better than when they were on KK 4.4.4. I will not be upgrading till these 2 note 4s die!
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Similar question, just got my phone which came with BOF1 installed. While waiting and watching for root - any advantage to staying on this version vs. any known disadvantage from taking the current update?

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I'm on the latest stock LP 5.0.1 and have used the debloater and my note 4s both get awesome battery life. They get the same if not better than when they were on KK 4.4.4. I will not be upgrading till these 2 note 4s die!
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I am with you on that!!! No new phone til this N4 dies! :highfive:

Nougat roll out for HTC 10 halted due to bugs

This isn't the best news.
http://m.gsmarena.com/skype_for_lin..._to_autostart_launch_minimized-news-22752.php

We can probably safely say March or April. Oh well.
All kidding aside: llabtoofer just said within the next 3 weeks all you guys in Europe should have it. Enjoy
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Nougat is not ready for prime time. Not impressed at all. My custom MM rom works perfectly. I tried Nougat. Uninstalled.

Looks like soon it would be the US unlocked users getting angry : why the heck we're using a buggy version??
Even now it's EU users are complaining : when the heck could we taste nougat...??

tony_5309 said:
We can probably safely say March or April. Oh well.
All kidding aside: llabtoofer just said within the next 3 weeks all you guys in Europe should have it. Enjoy
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he said we will havw 2 months ago

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Looks like soon it would be the US unlocked users getting angry : why the heck we're using a buggy version??
Even now it's EU users are complaining : when the heck could we taste nougat...??
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I have the US unlocked model and I'm using the latest firmware with Maximus HD and ElementalX installed, no complains at all so far the stock ROM was also fine the few weeks I used it

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I have the US unlocked model and I'm using the latest firmware with Maximus HD and ElementalX installed, no complains at all so far the stock ROM was also fine the few weeks I used it
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Maximus HD is based on leaked EU update. And I am not talking about that.
Maybe you haven't seen what does the dev of Maximus say about the upcoming EU OTA?

No one has specified what "buggy" even means... is it something minor like a laggy UI or a major security vulnerability like stagefright?

*bugs* is a bull excuse in regards to no updates
while while they're fixing these bugs *with N then why didnt they continue to update our devices on MM with the monthly security updates ?
Europe unlocked devices haven't had an update since October & that came with the august 2016 security patch what happened too September, November , December, January
this fixed version of N will be out in February according to llabtoofer will likely be 7.0, we probably wont see 7.1 until spring (htc ultra hasn't even released yet & thats on 7.0)

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Maximus HD is based on leaked EU update. And I am not talking about that.
Maybe you haven't seen what does the dev of Maximus say about the upcoming EU OTA?
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I'm taking about you said US users now will be angry about why they were left with a buggy firmware, and I'm telling you I used it with the stock ROM and I'm not angry about it. He said the EU build was more stable, that doesn't mean that the US was a bad build though and yes, it may be based on such firmware but I'm using it with the US one

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I'm taking about you said US users now will be angry about why they were left with a buggy firmware, and I'm telling you I used it with the stock ROM and I'm not angry about it. He said the EU build was more stable, that doesn't mean that the US was a bad build though and yes, it may be based on such firmware but I'm using it with the US one
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Come on man, I am not saying US update isn't good. I am saying compare to EU update, US one is less responsive and less smooth. Been treated differently might make some users angry. #sense of humour#...

I am sure the US will also get the equivalent matching update around the same time

7.0 has been a mess, and even 7.1.1 has alot of problems, even on nexus/pixel devices. It would suck to be on 7.x and have that 30% battery bugg that alot of people experience. And thats just the obvious buggs.
7.x does not offer enough of a upgrade to make it worth having a buggy release. Esp if one is stuck with that buggy version for months.

I have the Nougat update on my T-Mobile HTC 10 completely stock not rooted and have experienced a few bugs.the day after I updated I took a picture and the phone froze went into a reboot and actually rebooted itself 4 times before it went back into the system. Had a random reboot another time and had an instance where my phone would not charge but a reboot fixed the issue
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And please remember there's no OS nor app is bug free in the world. It is an excuse but also the truth.
I bought iPhone 7 last just want to experience a "smooth OS", but it freezed while taking a picture, battery drops very quickly and phone got every hot randomly... So yeah, back to HTC.

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7.0 has been a mess, and even 7.1.1 has alot of problems, even on nexus/pixel devices. It would suck to be on 7.x and have that 30% battery bugg that alot of people experience. And thats just the obvious buggs.
7.x does not offer enough of a upgrade to make it worth having a buggy release. Esp if one is stuck with that buggy version for months.
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I tried N for a bit on Viper and had bad battery drain so I went back to MM and still had that battery drain, I found out Facebook has been causing bad battery so I uninstalled it and Messenger and seems to be much better. I was wondering if Facebook was my issue on N as well or if it was Android N causing it. Guess I will stick with MM for now.

I've been on Nougat for some time now (unlocked) and I have noticed any issues. What exactly is the problem?

djbutter said:
I've been on Nougat for some time now (unlocked) and I have noticed any issues. What exactly is the problem?
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Is your device US unlocked ? Do all your apps that auto sync or update do so while you're using battery saver, or while you're on data? Only way I can get gmail and other similarly syncing apps is on Wi-Fi without using battery saver

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eckharttim said:
Is your device US unlocked ? Do all your apps that auto sync or update do so while you're using battery saver, or while you're on data? Only way I can get gmail and other similarly syncing apps is on Wi-Fi without using battery saver
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i meant to say that I haven't noticed any issues, but clearly you understood me. ?
Anyway, I get push gmail notifications as usual, no issues there. I'm almost always only on mobile data, and rarely ever use battery saver. I have an unlocked stock US model.
The only minor issue I've noticed is that sometimes I don't get notified of whatsapp messages (via the notification shade), if multiple are received at around the same time.

The only bug i've found was in the Settings.
If you enter it, press back button and then try to enter again, it'll take some seconds to show up.
Everything else is ok.
Sent from my HTC 10!