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Has anyone tried Sound magic E10m (with microphone) with the moto G? Does the microphone and control buttons work properly? Does the FM on moto g work well with this earphone?
Thanks in advance
Akhil
Hi, I've tried a different pair of soundmagic phones that I had lying around, the MP21 (a cheaper but mostly adequate headset, and pretty expendable at this price).
Mic and button works fine, so I would assume the same for the e10.
However do note that there is a chance you'll notice some background noise when playing music, as the E10 have an impedance of 16 Ohm and many users noticed some issues with headphones that have impedances lower than 32 Ohm.
(Thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2611599)
(You can always see the impedance of a headphone in the packaging or the detailed product information)
To be fair, the hiss is only apparent in silence. You won't hear any background hiss during playback (or rather, the music far outweighs it, to the point where only the nitpicky are deterred).
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Yeah I saw that post. E10 has an impedance of 16 ohms. I am confused now. What should I do now? Should I go for this or a cheaper one that matches the impedence?
akhilpo said:
Has anyone tried Sound magic E10m (with microphone) with the moto G? Does the microphone and control buttons work properly? Does the FM on moto g work well with this earphone?
Thanks in advance
Akhil
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fm should work with any headphones
E10m volume control & play pause button works on Moto g??? Please reply asap.
I want to buy it but not sure about control function support.
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I am in the market for a set on new head phones. but I will be using my P6 for another year and 10 months. so it will be the main audio source for me. I cant find the specs, I hope someone knows this.
Q: whit is the ohm rating headphones I can use with my P6? The earphones I want is 18ohm. I am affraid its to low? The 300ohm headphone I saw is much to high and will be very soft. Will the internal audio amp work good with the 18ohm or not?
Thanx
benna said:
I am in the market for a set on new head phones. but I will be using my P6 for another year and 10 months. so it will be the main audio source for me. I cant find the specs, I hope someone knows this.
Q: whit is the ohm rating headphones I can use with my P6? The earphones I want is 18ohm. I am affraid its to low? The 300ohm headphone I saw is much to high and will be very soft. Will the internal audio amp work good with the 18ohm or not?
Thanx
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Internal audio amp will work perfectly with 18ohm, even works well with 32ohm. Haven't tried but I dont think you will be able to run off 300ohm headphones from the phones internal amp, also 300ohm for portable headphones is alot
benna said:
I am in the market for a set on new head phones. but I will be using my P6 for another year and 10 months. so it will be the main audio source for me. I cant find the specs, I hope someone knows this.
Q: whit is the ohm rating headphones I can use with my P6? The earphones I want is 18ohm. I am affraid its to low? The 300ohm headphone I saw is much to high and will be very soft. Will the internal audio amp work good with the 18ohm or not?
Thanx
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Might I ask what headphones are you aiming to buy? Also the budget?
I bought for my p6 the 16ohm Sennheiser In-Ear CX 300-II Precision . They work perfect and sound quality is the best for the budget.
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Might I ask what headphones are you aiming to buy? Also the budget?
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The budeget: Not more than R2000 ( abought 200 dollars) or as little as possible. I was aiming for the Sennheiser Momentun One Ear(18 ohms), while its little over the budget , I dont think ist going to be worth it. Why I say this, is I had a demo today with the Sennheiser 205, in the store it was R1500. The audio quality with that compared to a cheapie.......was not much. I think our phone audio is not top notch. So I wont sped allot of money on good head phones. I am going for the Koss Porta Pro. Do you know much of headphones?
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The budeget: Not more than R2000 ( abought 200 dollars) or as little as possible. I was aiming for the Sennheiser Momentun One Ear(18 ohms), while its little over the budget , I dont think ist going to be worth it. Why I say this, is I had a demo today with the Sennheiser 205, in the store it was R1500. The audio quality with that compared to a cheapie.......was not much. I think our phone audio is not top notch. So I wont sped allot of money on good head phones. I am going for the Koss Porta Pro. Do you know much of headphones?
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I am a sound fanatic. But I don't know much about lower powered ones, I always use my headphones on my amp, and I use Apple's new Earpods for my phone just because they sound alright.
I have Sennheiser HD535s they are about 20 years old, and boy they still sound better than almost anything I can find, I pair them with my Technics SU-500 amp, which is also roughly 30 years old ( Back when Technics were actually good. )
I'll do a bit of reading and come back to you, it helps that I am also in SA so that I know it's available here
Also have to say, cheaper Sennheisers are disappointing. R1500 for those are way to much, you can get those for R400-R750.
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The HD 335 looks decent for R1700.
They look a bit bulkier than the Momentun's.
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Seems like they are made for mobile, they are 32ohm.
benna said:
The budeget: Not more than R2000 ( abought 200 dollars) or as little as possible. I was aiming for the Sennheiser Momentun One Ear(18 ohms), while its little over the budget , I dont think ist going to be worth it. Why I say this, is I had a demo today with the Sennheiser 205, in the store it was R1500. The audio quality with that compared to a cheapie.......was not much. I think our phone audio is not top notch. So I wont sped allot of money on good head phones. I am going for the Koss Porta Pro. Do you know much of headphones?
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P6 doesnt have a good audio chip, true, the audio jack is also designed in a weird way - eg rotating the audio plug around it sometimes goes to mono and so on
I found some crazy earphone
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...ance-320-ohms-earbud/1924356_32302987270.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...ohms-earbud-earphone/1924356_32411358569.html
I know they are ugly but they are review well in head-fi.org.
Dont waste your money, buy soundmagic e10.
You can read reviews, i did it and it is best one i have had ever , better than bose,denon....
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ferdyconde said:
Dont waste your money, buy soundmagic e10.
You can read reviews, i did it and it is best one i have had ever , better than bose,denon....
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But it won't trigger the quad dac.Because it has 46ohms similar my apple earpod.Only 50+impedance will trigger the quad dac.
Btw Soundmagic e50 has 50-51ohms.
You try it and later decide. Another one that people say good things is Fiio
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sagor1 said:
But it won't trigger the quad dac.Because it has 46ohms similar my apple earpod.Only 50+impedance will trigger the quad dac.
Btw Soundmagic e50 has 50-51ohms.
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Will Creative Aurvana Live! work well with DAC on this phone?
https://en.creative.com/p/headphones-headsets/aurvana-live
https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/creative-aurvana-live-headphones.6798/
Maybe it would be good thread to write how to determine if headphones are appropriate for that phone?
I'm waiting for my new LG G6 and I'm wondering if I will need to change my old headphones...
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sojkin said:
Will Creative Aurvana Live! work well with DAC on this phone?
https://en.creative.com/p/headphones-headsets/aurvana-live
https://www.head-fi.org/f/showcase/creative-aurvana-live-headphones.6798/
Maybe it would be good thread to write how to determine if headphones are appropriate for that phone?
I'm waiting for my new LG G6 and I'm wondering if I will need to change my old headphones...
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I guess not.Because it has only 32ohm.
You can try a high impedance adapter from ebay 7-8$ with your current headphone.
Just look for the headphone impedance,which has minimum 50ohm.
Note-I am not a sound specialist, i just get some idea after googling.
Soundmagic E50C-51 ohms
Soundmagic E80C-64ohms
For reference Sound magic is an award winning company for providing best bang for buck quality
My Sennheiser Momentum 2 are 18 Ω and they trigger the quad-DAC.
I have problem with choosing Senheiser Momentum in ear G or RHA MA750i. Somebody have some recommendations?
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There is a simple way to activate the sabre amplifier.
Get a 3.5mm male to female adapter. Connect to lg g6 . it will activate external adapter connected.
Then plug in your standard <50ohm headphones.
Enjoy.
you can try to apply for this|
https://www.lgrebates.com/LG-Entertainment-bundle
Well i Have EC10's with 46 Ohm. They only trigger External mode with the included Y-Adapter. The Earphones sound superb on pretty much every Device except the G6. The Quad DAC cancels out the Dynamics and Bass. If you like neutral analytic sound you will be very satisfied. If you want atmospheric, open wide airy Sound, you will be dissapointed a lot. The DAC will go into HiFi mode when using the E50s or E80s. But the Sound signature wont improve, your AMP will just be driven harder which equals in louder sound. Thats basically the whole point of the HiFi mode. If you use Headphones with 250 Ohms it would be extremely quiet in Normal Audio mode, so a better solution is to give this privilege to the higher Ohm headphones and not drive the AMP with full power when something with low resistance is plugged in. This is needed to prevent your headphones from taking damage, improvide battery life (A AMP can draw more power then your CPU). And to guarantee a clear sound playback because lower end Headphones will distort to that point that everything is just buzzing if you drive them with a lot of power.
I will try OneMore E1001 Ref Headphones and see if the sound improves but i doubt that because my USB DAC (70-200$) sounds miles better with the same EC10s that i use with my G6.
All of my earphones trigger the DAC even cheap ones, I have however purchased some Soundmagic E80's and all I can say is WOW, easily the best earphones I have ever used and highly recommended. Purchased refurbished (but appear to be new and unused customer return) on eBay for £35 with three sets of Comply tips thrown in http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321924939199
I have the Sony mdr-100aap, with IMPEDANCE (OHM)
24 Ω at 1 kHz. Should it trigger the dac? They are supposed to be HiFi compatible. I only see normal headphones when plugged.
If all you are looking at is impedance rating to trigger the amp, you are doing it wrong. Find the headphone that sounds best to you *regardless* of impedance, and let the phone do its job.
My vote is for the Campfire Audio Nova or Dorado.
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I found some crazy earphone
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...ance-320-ohms-earbud/1924356_32302987270.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...ohms-earbud-earphone/1924356_32411358569.html
I know they are ugly but they are review well in head-fi.org.
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That website has a popup that I can't get around on my phone, and I refuse to click it. Bull**** site. Search for venture electronics instead.
I did see they're the VE Zen earbuds briefly, I heard they're like the VE Monk with bass. That is a REALLY good thing. I can't justify the $150 though many can and likely should. The Monks are really good.
Guys, if you're looking for clear and precise sound, I strongly recommend you to look at the balanced armature headphones. Instead of 1 dynamic driver which covers the entire frequency range they have 1,2,3... practically up to as many as you wish drivers each for a specific frequency segment. A lot of manufacturers make it, such as Sony, Sure, Audio Technica, RHA, Vsonic, Dunu. I'm pretty happy with my Sony XBA-A2 headphones which has always sounded good with any source and with LG G6 their potential is being even more fully unlocked
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My Sennheiser Momentum 2 are 18 Ω and they trigger the quad-DAC.
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How ? Does it show high impedance mode in DAC settings ?
Guys realy ?Many same question.
Ok then last time.
Minimum OHM 50 ..This working minimum(QDAC) (OR trick search v10 or v20 high gain trick(need special cables)
So 18 ,24 ,33 ,16 NOT trigger..50+?Yes!
But the headphone not all...Need music player .HD music supported professional music palyer: Poweramp(need setup) usb audiplayer pro(need setup) or totaly free HibyMusic player(need setup)
And last...Good quality music(recomendent 24bit 96Khz minumum)Then happaning the magic!
Elnrik said:
If all you are looking at is impedance rating to trigger the amp, you are doing it wrong. Find the headphone that sounds best to you *regardless* of impedance, and let the phone do its job.
My vote is for the Campfire Audio Nova or Dorado.
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Absolutely correct...
Sound quality is subjective... People should stop worrying about the amount of impedance... And look for the headphones they like...
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I have purchased Sound Magic E80C... Will share my observations, once I test them with my new LG G6 and also with other mobiles/DACs...
Suggest me a good in-ear earphones under $100 with high impedance. I want to get rid of this horrible hissing noise.
This has nothing to do with impedance. I have in-ear headphones with 16 Ohm impedance (JBL T110) and there's noise as well. But I have on-ear headphones (Connect IT CI-235) and there's no noise at all. The issue is how much voltage can the headphones take. So I would recommend you to get some on-ear ones and if they're above 20 dollars they should do the job.
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This has nothing to do with impedance. I have in-ear headphones with 16 Ohm impedance (JBL T110) and there's noise as well. But I have on-ear headphones (Connect IT CI-235) and there's no noise at all. The issue is how much voltage can the headphones take. So I would recommend you to get some on-ear ones and if they're above 20 dollars they should do the job.
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Someone said, we need to buy earphones with impedance of 32 Ohm or more. So when you buy better check impedance, it should be more than 32 Ohms.
Ritik99 said:
Someone said, we need to buy earphones with impedance of 32 Ohm or more. So when you buy better check impedance, it should be more than 32 Ohms.
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That is odd then. As I've said I have 16 Ohms and I don't have any noise at all. Well better take the extra precaution if your budget is 100 dollars
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This has nothing to do with impedance. I have in-ear headphones with 16 Ohm impedance (JBL T110) and there's noise as well. But I have on-ear headphones (Connect IT CI-235) and there's no noise at all. The issue is how much voltage can the headphones take. So I would recommend you to get some on-ear ones and if they're above 20 dollars they should do the job.
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Thank you for the advice but imho, on-ear headphones are not that mobile.
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That is odd then. As I've said I have 16 Ohms and I don't have any noise at all. Well better take the extra precaution if your budget is 100 dollars
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Actually I do have 16ohm impedance earphone. Sony EX-15AP. Hissing is very much audible.
It's really weird, I have never heard this hissing.
I even just tried a pair of free ones I was given free on a sightseeing bus, quality is rubbish but still no hissing, I get a crackle if I twist the jack but that's it.
Problem is combination of low impedance and high sensitivity - which is pretty much case for majority of IEMs. Bigger headphones are often less sensitive so they do not tend to have the hissing issue. For 100usd, I would suggest buying any headphones you like + iEMatch impedance adapter (https://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-iematch/) - particularly if you need mic/buttons.
Edit: per iEmatch manual, mic/buttons on headphones will be disconnected by this adapter, so better verify with Ifi company before purchase.
Budget version would be ChiFi headphones (KZ, Senfer, ..) + cheap impedance adapter, but beware that this combination doesn't allow usage of cable with mic/buttons. I am quite happy with the budget solution..
Just flash the hissing noise fix and you can use any earphones
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Just flash the hissing noise fix and you can use any earphones
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What's that? There was one "fix" flying around few months ago, but it did absolutely nothing (modified some parameters in mixer path xml file with no effect whatsoever). I would love to have something which actually works..
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What's that? There was one "fix" flying around few months ago, but it did absolutely nothing (modified some parameters in mixer path xml file with no effect whatsoever). I would love to have something which actually works..
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That's actually what the "fix" does. It's a hardware issue so no soft fix
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What's that? There was one "fix" flying around few months ago, but it did absolutely nothing (modified some parameters in mixer path xml file with no effect whatsoever). I would love to have something which actually works..
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There's a magisk module you can flash here in the forums. Om My phone it removes almost all hissing :good:
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There's a magisk module you can flash here in the forums. Om My phone it removes almost all hissing :good:
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Link please? I saw and tried only one and that was useless - I even tried to decrease the headphones gain in the xml file by ~99% and it didn't do anything.
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Link please? I saw and tried only one and that was useless - I even tried to decrease the headphones gain in the xml file by ~99% and it didn't do anything.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/themes/mod-xiaomi-mi-a1-soundmod-dualspeaker-t3741675
I'm using the nougat version on flyme os. But I've tried om stock Oreo too and it removes almost all hissing for me. Go for the magisk version and be sure to get the right version.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-a1/themes/mod-xiaomi-mi-a1-soundmod-dualspeaker-t3741675
I'm using the nougat version on flyme os. But I've tried om stock Oreo too and it removes almost all hissing for me. Go for the magisk version and be sure to get the right version.
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Unfortunately I hear absolutely no difference in the hissing or overal volume of headphones. I'd say it's only a placebo "fix".. On the other hand, decreasing the headphones gain via custom kernel masks the hissing quite effectively - hissing is still the same, but as you have to turn up the volume, Signal To Noise ratio increases as well and you can't hear the noise over music. Quiet songs/passages are still bad though.
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Thank you for the advice but imho, on-ear headphones are not that mobile.
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iam using ATH-M50X everywhere
But Otherwise i cant use In Ear with gum and so iam on the way to build my own In Ear Monitors :fingers-crossed:
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Problem is combination of low impedance and high sensitivity - which is pretty much case for majority of IEMs. Bigger headphones are often less sensitive so they do not tend to have the hissing issue. For 100usd, I would suggest buying any headphones you like + iEMatch impedance adapter (https://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-iematch/) - particularly if you need mic/buttons.
Budget version would be ChiFi headphones (KZ, Senfer, ..) + cheap impedance adapter, but beware that this combination doesn't allow usage of cable with mic/buttons. I am quite happy with the budget solution..
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I got interested on this. I looked for some cheap ones but there is something i dont get, there are 30, 70 or 150 ohms so i wonder which one i have to pick. And some of those even say that they dont work on mobile phones so... I get even more confused.
And want to know if you found some cheap ones with the mic/buttons function
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Unfortunately I hear absolutely no difference in the hissing or overal volume of headphones. I'd say it's only a placebo "fix".. On the other hand, decreasing the headphones gain via custom kernel masks the hissing quite effectively - hissing is still the same, but as you have to turn up the volume, Signal To Noise ratio increases as well and you can't hear the noise over music. Quiet songs/passages are still bad though.
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I guess it only changes the gain or amplifiction. But my piston 3 almost gets no hiss with that fix. Super noisy without.
Arthur King said:
I got interested on this. I looked for some cheap ones but there is something i dont get, there are 30, 70 or 150 ohms so i wonder which one i have to pick. And some of those even say that they dont work on mobile phones so... I get even more confused.
And want to know if you found some cheap ones with the mic/buttons function
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70 ohm should be fine, it will remove pretty much all the hissing and keeps overal volume high enough. Or there is an even cheaper and more versatile alternative - cable with analogue volume control (https://www.ebay.com/itm/131489435905). By turning the volume down, you effectively increase the impedance and hissing disappears. And you can fine tune it to each headphone. Though still no mic/button control.. I have similar one with button and mic on the cable and it makes wonders, but I purchased it years ago and can't find it anymore. Try to look for one in your favorite shops, you might have more luck.
Edit: this one http://www.dx.com/p/3-5mm-male-to-f...one-volume-control-for-cell-phone-84cm-126278
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I guess it only changes the gain or amplifiction. But my piston 3 almost gets no hiss with that fix. Super noisy without.
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No idea what it does, on my phone nothing audible. From the description it should do what custom kernel with sound control does - only mask hissing.
Just get a pair of Apple EarPods. They have an impedance of around 40-45 ohms and work great.
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone tried a pair of high impedance headphone with the 5Z?
I currently own the Sennheiser HD58x Jubilee (150-ohm) and I'm hoping this phone can drive them without an external amp.
My LG V20 can drive them no problems.
Thanks
I get mine tomorrow and I have a pair of k7xxs and dt 770 pros, I'll test them when mine gets delivered
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I get mine tomorrow and I have a pair of k7xxs and dt 770 pros, I'll test them when mine gets delivered
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Awesome! Thanks! :highfive:
I'm curious about this as well. PhoneArena measured the jack output to be only 0.252V which is terrible even compared to Sony Xperia (Z5 to XZ Premium).
initial impressions with the beyers is quite good. They aren't driven perfectly but it's not the worst that I've heard. the k7xxs while they feel almost right they have a bit of a hollow sound to them. It's better than my old phone but not as good as the htc 10. They both get loud on the 5z though at least. on the beyers they feel slightly more recessed than normal but still have their characteristic bass. the k7xxs just feel hollow in general.
MY ATH cans having 47 Ω impedence needs to be kept a almost max volume for decent fidelity .. Kind of a bummer considering that its got DTS-X headphone support . The Mi A1 was way better interms of headphone audio
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MY ATH cans having 47 Ω impedence needs to be kept a almost max volume for decent fidelity .. Kind of a bummer considering that its got DTS-X headphone support . The Mi A1 was way better interms of headphone audio
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Which is funny since the mi a1 has a terrible buzz, and my beyers never got close to loud out of it yet they get fairly loud on the 5z for me.
Eagle1337 said:
Which is funny since the mi a1 has a terrible buzz, and my beyers never got close to loud out of it yet they get fairly loud on the 5z for me.
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I never had the buzzing problem with Mi A1 . In terms of Audio fidelity some thing like the lenovo vibe X3/Lg V20 still reigns; but power output on A1 was very adequate and pretty clear even at 50% volume levels . 55% on A1 = 100% 5Z in terms of volume levels ; that's where the 5z kinda sucks .
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Which is funny since the mi a1 has a terrible buzz, and my beyers never got close to loud out of it yet they get fairly loud on the 5z for me.
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What is the impedence of your Beyers? At what volume do you have to set it to be confortable?
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What is the impedence of your Beyers? At what volume do you have to set it to be confortable?
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beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 80 ohms, Around 3/4 volume wise.
The k7xx arer 62 ohms with a sensitivity of 105 dB/V and they are similarish as well
Eagle1337 said:
beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 80 ohms, Around 3/4 volume wise.
The k7xx arer 62 ohms with a sensitivity of 105 dB/V and they are similarish as well
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Not too bad! Thank you very much. :highfive:
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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Play with the audio wizard and listening profile, it seems like the phone goes off of it.
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Play with the audio wizard and listening profile, it seems like the phone goes off of it.
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I disabled the AudioWizard and the sound is actually better.