Question about Ambient Mode - Moto 360

I'm currently searching for an Android Wear watch and torn between the Moto 360 and Asus Zenwatch. I like the look of both of them. I feel the Moto360 will be more masculine, but the Zenwatch is more recent and has better specs screen/battery wise.
I've found conflicting/confusing information with all the updates Moto360 has received. So, is there a way for ambient mode on the 360 to stay on and if so, what is the battery life? Or is it that the ambient mode only stays on with stock watchfaces, but not custom?
I just don't know about having a giant black disk on my wrist when the watch is off, plus how 'future proof' is the Moto360 with its TI processor?
I know this is the Moto360 forum, but any feedback is appreciated.

Just a quick update to my question to make sure I understand.
The Moto360 will turn off when sideways, be in ambient mode when tilted, and full mode when tilted towards your face, correct?

That is correct and those were the two I was deciding went to best buy and liked the moto but that's the point which ever puts the biggest smile is the one you get. Yes the moto has some older specs but it works great battery is good and I use ambient mode quite a bit I like it better than tilt to wake
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BBowermaster said:
Just a quick update to my question to make sure I understand.
The Moto360 will turn off when sideways, be in ambient mode when tilted, and full mode when tilted towards your face, correct?
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You seem to be confusing tilt to wake with ambient mode .....
2 different things
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ben.nesheim said:
but that's the point which ever puts the biggest smile is the one you get.
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Thanks, unfortunately, none of the Best Buy's near me have the Asus in stock. My wife ordered one, so I may just wait for hers to arrive and compare it to the Moto 360 Best Buy had.
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You seem to be confusing tilt to wake with ambient mode .....
2 different things
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I understand that, but without tilt to wake, where does ambient mode come in to effect? Does your full watchface dim, then it goes to ambient mode for xx seconds, then goes dark? I had the Pebble, upgraded to the Gear 2, not realizing apps have to be coded to your phone to show up in the Gear store. But the Gear 2 had tilt to wake, and the lag or fact that sometimes it didn't turn on and I'd have to hit the button annoyed me.

In ambient mode when you raise your arm it will be dimmed instead of when tilt to wake is on it will come on full screen. Instead of timing out while looking at it it will go to ambient mode as well but then nearly half a second it turns off lol sorry I'm staring at my watch and phone but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
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Any way to adjust sensitivity of turning screen on?

Seems like it's kind of difficult to get the screen to turn on. I turn my wrist up to look at the watch and it doesn't turn on. I have to kind of forcefully snap my wrist horizontally for the screen to come on, just a casual horizontal movement isn't enough. Anyone else? It's possible I have faulty hardware.
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Seems like it's kind of difficult to get the screen to turn on. I turn my wrist up to look at the watch and it doesn't turn on. I have to kind of forcefully snap my wrist horizontally for the screen to come on, just a casual horizontal movement isn't enough. Anyone else? It's possible I have faulty hardware.
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I feel like mine goes on too easily.
spinedoc said:
Seems like it's kind of difficult to get the screen to turn on. I turn my wrist up to look at the watch and it doesn't turn on. I have to kind of forcefully snap my wrist horizontally for the screen to come on, just a casual horizontal movement isn't enough. Anyone else? It's possible I have faulty hardware.
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Mine is very very accurate.. maybe a device reset?
Mine works 8/10 times. Every now and then it fails to come on.
spinedoc said:
Seems like it's kind of difficult to get the screen to turn on. I turn my wrist up to look at the watch and it doesn't turn on. I have to kind of forcefully snap my wrist horizontally for the screen to come on, just a casual horizontal movement isn't enough. Anyone else? It's possible I have faulty hardware.
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Mine goes on really easy. I have actually been looking for some sort of a lock for the screen because my 6 month old was doing all sorts of things to it just during the first 15 minutes of holding her.
I put in another post that I wish the button on the side of the Moto 360 was a lock / unlock that kept the phone in ambient mode and stopped screen touches because I have not used it otherwise for anything else and it seems like it might be a useful feature.
You have to make sure your watch is on snug. If it's loose it will not register as accurately
Mine pisses me off that it turns on so much. Want to disable accelerometer/gyroscope wake and make it on button press only... Horrible if you have a long commute. I drove 3 hours and lost 60% battery from all the wakes.
I'm jealous of you guys. I have to snap my hand around like I'm saluting someone and even then it only works half the time.
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Mine pisses me off that it turns on so much. Want to disable accelerometer/gyroscope wake and make it on button press only... Horrible if you have a long commute. I drove 3 hours and lost 60% battery from all the wakes.
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same here, argh! not cool
pierrekid said:
You have to make sure your watch is on snug. If it's loose it will not register as accurately
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^^This helps quite a bit.
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Wrong Thread. Darn tabs..
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You have to make sure your watch is on snug. If it's loose it will not register as accurately
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Wow tightened my watch and it's like night and day, it always turns on when i tilt it now. Thanks!
Chronos2187 said:
Wow tightened my watch and it's like night and day, it always turns on when i tilt it now. Thanks!
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Worked for me as well. I always had trouble getting it to turn on without 2 or 3 attempts at it. Tightened it by one notch and have no problems getting it to come on.

I want my watch to look like a watch. Any apps for always on mode?

So like the title says I want my watch to always be on. So not ambient mode I hate the on and off crap. I want a dimmed but always on watch face if possible. Not worried about battery. Any suggestions?
There's a launcher (?) I think called Swipify I've seen mentioned multiple times for this. There's also at least one face available for purchase on the Play Store that allows you to choose how long it stays on, including always on. I bought it for that gimmick but never really used it. I think it's the "A06 for Moto 360" face.
In any case, understand that "always on" won't make your watch any more a watch than it will a brick, as you're looking at probably less than one hour of battery life with the screen always on.
1 hour is exaggerating. Either way the whole point of these things should be to be a watch first and foremost, and a notification hub second. LG G watch has a always on option built in and it lasts all day just fine, so I do not think what im asking is too absurd.
Well, you're asking if there are apps to do that. I answered that much.
But as far as what you're hoping you'll get, you seriously need to readjust your expectations. It sounds like you didn't do your homework prior to buying this watch. Undoubtedly this is the nicest looking smart watch now. But the battery life is not great. I get about a full day's worth with the screen turning off constantly.
I can guarantee you, you will not get a full day's battery of this watch with the screen always on. I don't know much about the LG G Watch, but I also highly doubt the whole day of battery you're talking about is with the screen on always.
I get what you're saying. It would be ideal. But battery technology is not at a point where it can power a full LCD screen for a whole day on a single battery charge. Try either of the ones I suggested and see how far it gets you. I might do it just for testing purposes at some point.
Take it down a notch bud. I did a lot of research before I bought this device. Perhaps you should do some with the way screens operate. You can in other similar watches like the G watch have everything turn off and throttle down but keep the time on the screen. The g watch turns everything to black and keeps the time and date still on screen. No reason this watch cannot do the same. I was merely asking if an app was released yet that does this. As most apps like the one you listed does this but keeps the CPU throttled up and the screen drawing more power. Hence why the battery gets killed. Do some research before talking next time. there are a million videos on youtube showing you exactly what im talking about.
Love the watch not complaining, I just want to squeez all the goodness out of it I can.
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1 hour is exaggerating. Either way the whole point of these things should be to be a watch first and foremost, and a notification hub second. LG G watch has a always on option built in and it lasts all day just fine, so I do not think what im asking is too absurd.
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The difference is because of the display technology. As you know (or may not?), LCDs illuminate the entire display, whereas OLEDs (LG, Asus, Samsung) only illuminate the individual pixels, thus reducing power consumption by utilizing a simpler display graphic to use as the 'always on' portion.
To have your Moto 360 always on would be a huge drain on the battery life because of the power consumption to illuminate the display. LCDs are simply not capable of selectively illuminating pixels.
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The difference is because of the display technology. As you know (or may not?), LCDs illuminate the entire display, whereas OLEDs (LG, Asus, Samsung) only illuminate the individual pixels, thus reducing power consumption by utilizing a simpler display graphic to use as the 'always on' portion.
To have your Moto 360 always on would be a huge drain on the battery life because of the power consumption to illuminate the display. LCDs are simply not capable of selectively illuminating pixels.
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To be fair, the G watch is also LCD. The gear live is amoled.
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To be fair, the G watch is also LCD. The gear live is amoled.
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Well I was referring to the R, which I assumed is what he was referring to as well... but if he's saying the LG G watch is capable of that, then I dunno what to say.
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Well I was referring to the R, which I assumed is what he was referring to as well... but if he's saying the LG G watch is capable of that, then I dunno what to say.
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The reason the g watch is able to is because it's built with a larger battery. I had the g watch briefly and it was nice in terms of battery but just didn't hold a candle to the 360 IMO. It is a quality device though.
I'd like an always on option as well for my moto 360.
The always on mode ...is not actually a always on totally. ..it just dims to show only the dials and not the back ground. ..the lg g watch R and the gear live with oled screens will burn in if they are totally always on. .
But yes. .using apps like facer..you can select which layer you can keep dimmed on always on mode on the lg g watch. ..but that will eat battery up.
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WatchMaker lets you set up to 30s stay awake.
Lol. Dude, you really need to do your research. You'd get MAYBE three hours max with the screen on like that. Your attitude against people who are trying to inform you and help you (you know because that's the point of your post where YOU asked for OUR help) is atrocious. If you knew it all you wouldn't need to ask this question. The first guy who responded to you gave you real experience and opinion, and you told him he was exaggerating and to "take it down a notch". Lol.
Ridiculous. Hope you find what you're looking for. Let us know the moment you can get a full day of screen on time with the 360. I won't hold my breath.
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Not sure if this helps but like you I like a watch to be a watch and very close second I really like all the features for notifications that the smart watches make. I have had my Moto 360 for a little over a week now and I use it for keeping time and getting the basic notifications like SMS, Emails and Google Now info like weather. I do not have any other apps installed and with the Ambient Mode ON and brightness set to 2 I have been able to get 36 hours (at most) out of it with light to moderate use . The watch face I use is the preinstalled digital one. It dims just right but it will go to a black screen when there is very little movement detected. I can very slightly move my wrist and it will activate the dimmed time mode so I can see it without having to drastically twist my wrist and bring the watch up to my face.
Hope that helps.
If you find what you are looking please be sure to share as I am interested in this also.
Just to satisfy curiosity, I went ahead and tried this "always on" thing. I used the "A06 for Moto 360" face I mentioned in my initial reply, which is paid for on the Play Store so I won't link. It's not that great looking either, but it does have the option to have the watch Always On.
So, fully charged, I disconnected from the charger at 12:16 PM and changed the face to the one in question. I enabled Always On and set Brightness to max. With no usage of the watch other than to swipe away notifications and to use as a watch (i.e. looking at it for the time), the battery ran out exactly at 4:54 PM, or 4 hours and 38 minutes later. Admittedly, this was longer than my estimated one hour battery life, but again I wasn't doing anything with the watch. I didn't reply to messages, I didn't play games, I didn't check my heartbeat, I didn't control music. Only swipe away notifications and look at the time. Not quite 5 hours.
I guess it may be worth it if you're using a fancy face and going out for a date or something and you're fully charged before going. But it's useless as a daily driver with that kind of battery life.
Your very wrong. First and foremost it should be a watch. I bought a pebble for that same reason. Now before you go saying it's different due to it's e-ink display, I also own a Microsoft band and it's a color screen. I have my band with the watch always on and I user the sleep monitor every night. It easily lasts through almost 2 days and that's with constant notifications and checking pulse often.
It can most definitely be done.
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Your very wrong. First and foremost it should be a watch. I bought a pebble for that same reason. Now before you go saying it's different due to it's e-ink display, I also own a Microsoft band and it's a color screen. I have my band with the watch always on and I user the sleep monitor every night. It easily lasts through almost 2 days and that's with constant notifications and checking pulse often.
It can most definitely be done.
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So a galaxy gear S with tizen OS and amoled screen. With a large display and 3g, WiFi,GPS and phone calling with only 300mah will work for 2 days....
The moto 360 will not... Just accept it and move along
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So what's the point of wanting the screen always on? Are your eyes on the screen with your hands at your sides? Are you trying to show off? I don't think the whole "it should be a watch first & foremost" thing is a good enough excuse. As far as I can see, I can tell the time just fine without the screen being on 24/7. As a matter of fact, I guarantee I can tell the time every single time you can if we check our watches at the same time. No added functionality. Decrease in battery life. I see no win here. But to each there own. Charge your watch every 3 hours. I'm happy charging mine every night.
It's definitely wanting others to see his watch when he's not looking at it. Otherwise they see a black screen. I wanted that too but then realized I couldn't and moved on.
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I only get 10-14 hours out of mine but I have a bunch of apps installed. Not sure where the battery drain is because its not like most of them stay running. Maybe google fit is the big drain, but its a nice feature and I don't need much more than 12 hours. Hopefully in the future this will get an easier root (without the interface clock) and an underclock for more battery life. That's very possible. I don't need my watch running at 1 GHz and I'm willing to bet the kernel is a huge part of the battery problem (as well as the smaller battery). But hacks could fix the watch I think.

[Q] Moto 360 not waking on wrist turn

Hey guys I recently bought my moto 360 and love it! The only problem I'm currently experiencing is that the watch face no longer wakes when I turn my wrist to look at the watch. This is extremely annoying because I want to be able to have more functionality with just one hand. Other than that the watch works perfectly. I've even been getting 16 hrs+ battery life on average. I tried looking through the settings to see if there was an option to change the wake settings but there are none. I don't see any other forums or anyone else posting about this issue so if you've had this issue please let me know what you did to fix this. ThankS!!
That started happening to me after the most recent update. Battery life improved by a few hours but then the wrist turn stopped being reliable
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That started happening to me after the most recent update. Battery life improved by a few hours but then the wrist turn stopped being reliable
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Since battery life is a bit more reliable, have you tried going with Ambient Mode again? While it admittedly doesn't last as long on as off, it does result in much more 'reactive' wrist turns to tell the time more quickly and repeatedly.
mine's a bit odd. Wakes fine normally, but when I mute notifications, it doesn't wake the screen unless I really move my wrist in an obvious way.
I actually got it to work now. The problem was going on when I had the keislertech stainless steel band on it. I switch the band with the leather one and the watch started waking every time I turned my wrist. I'm guessing the steel band was interfering with the accelerometers considering they use electromagnets.
Im still having this problem. And im only using the leather band. Any fix? Yesterday was working fine when i was driving to work then i noticed at work when i twisted my wrist nothing happened.
Try more of a 'flick' with your wrist than a 'turn' with your wrist.
I too am having this issue. I just did a complete factory reset on the device, still no luck. I was worried my gryoscope may be busted, but it seems to be working at least by using a testing app I found, though I am not sure how reliable that is.
No matter how hard I flick my wrist, the screen won't come on. What's more, putting it in Ambient mode will show the black and white screen for 1 second, then the screen turns off, as if the device was face down.
Quite honestly, I think it may be a busted Gryoscope, which would suck, so I'm going to test a few more things and see.
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Factory Reset with no apps installed didn't help. Called Motorola, they are shipping me a new device.
Can't think of it being anything other than a busted Gyro that always points down.
Question for the OP, at any time did you use the latest Nexus QI charger to charge your device? Doubt that has anything to do with it, but want to know just in case.
Well, the Gyro in my watch is working again, but I'm still going to follow through with the replacement, since I don't want to risk it happening again. Nothing was done to fix it, it just randomly started working Saturday night. The sensor test I mentioned earlier is showing full functionality now.
Candidly, you're probably smart to do so. Tech being what it is, often times you get a device with bugged hardware. Let us know how the replacement works out for you.
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Well, the Gyro in my watch is working again, but I'm still going to follow through with the replacement, since I don't want to risk it happening again. Nothing was done to fix it, it just randomly started working Saturday night. The sensor test I mentioned earlier is showing full functionality now.
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Same problem here... Seems to have a link with aftermarket QI charger. The first time I've put it on the charger pad the screen flipped upside down. Since then, no waking up from wrist movement and even on the original charger it's showing upside down.
I don't know what to do !!!
This is my second watch i had a crack on the first one taking it out of the box I don't want to wait another week to get a replacement !
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Same problem here... Seems to have a link with aftermarket QI charger. The first time I've put it on the charger pad the screen flipped upside down. Since then, no waking up from wrist movement and even on the original charger it's showing upside down.
I don't know what to do !!!
This is my second watch i had a crack on the first one taking it out of the box I don't want to wait another week to get a replacement !
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Came back to normal without any reasons... oh well....
my moto 360 also doesn't wake anymore, but also not when i tap it
if i tap and hold, i feel the vibration that shows up to change the watch face and when i click the side button you see this menu before it goes back to the clock
Wow, this just started happening to me too! I was hoping to find the solution in this thread, so I hope this isn't a sign of universal hardware failure!
Started happening to me too just yesterday.
Bummer
Been a few days for me. . . not responsive on wrist turn or tap.
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Started happening to me too just yesterday.
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Been a few days for me. . . not responsive on wrist turn or tap.
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Got mine working again. If you haven't already tried, open android wear app on your phone, then toggle the setting "tilt to wake screen" a few times (make sure it ends up ON however). Also, on your watch, make sure theatre mode is off.
I was having the same problem. It was theater mode. Somehow it was turned on,I turned it off and now the wake function works again.
Mine stopped working too a few days ago. I toggled 'tilt to wake screen' in the wear app and it started working again.
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Got mine working again. If you haven't already tried, open android wear app on your phone, then toggle the setting "tilt to wake screen" a few times (make sure it ends up ON however). Also, on your watch, make sure theatre mode is off.
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Thanks! Toggling the "tilt to wake" setting worked for me too!

Where is the Moto 360 v2 section ?

Hello,
Is it just me or I can't see a forum section dedicated to Moto 360 v2 ? Many users have already received the smartwatch. I would like to ask actual users about battery life, etc. and I just don't know where to ask...
I've been wondering that too. I should be receiving my watch tomorrow, so I'll try to let you know about the battery life. I'm hoping that the 46mm watch will go at least a whole day with ambient mode on.
I have the 42 mm and I wear it from 7 am to 10 pm with ambient mode on and by the end of the day the battery is down to 33%. I don't do much with it except use Moto Body to track steps and heart rate but not during exercise, I have a Microsoft Band that works a lot better for me for that. I have it paired to an iPhone 6 too and have some reconnect issues that appear to be common with iPhone users.
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I have the 42 mm and I wear it from 7 am to 10 pm with ambient mode on and by the end of the day the battery is down to 33%. I don't do much with it except use Moto Body to track steps and heart rate but not during exercise, I have a Microsoft Band that works a lot better for me for that. I have it paired to an iPhone 6 too and have some reconnect issues that appear to be common with iPhone users.
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Thanks for the info. Are you using "ambient mode on and wrist gestures off" (which would keep the screen on all the time) or the "ambient mode on and wrist gestures on (which would not keep the screen on all the time) ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-360-2015
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Thanks for the info. Are you using "ambient mode on and wrist gestures off" (which would keep the screen on all the time) or the "ambient mode on and wrist gestures on (which would not keep the screen on all the time) ?
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I have ambient on and wrist gesture on as I found that ambient mode isn't bright enough to see outside in sunlight.
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Thanks ! Strange...I can't find it in the device list search widget.
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Thanks ! Strange...I can't find it in the device list search widget.
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Yeah Idk why it's not added to that yet. I still subbed to the general forum for notifications, but I have no way to easily access it on XDA One.
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Thanks ! Strange...I can't find it in the device list search widget.
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Yeah Idk why it's not added to that yet. I still subbed to the general forum for notifications, but I have no way to easily access it on XDA One.
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Thanks ! Strange...I can't find it in the device list search widget.
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Yeah Idk why it's not added to there yet. There's no way to easily get there from XDA One.
I'm on day 1 with the Moto 360 2nd Gen 46mm. Unplugged at 8:00AM and its now 10:36PM I'm sitting at 60% battery remaining after some pretty heavy use throughout the day. Ambient mode is off but everything else is on. Watch battery estimates I have 22 hrs left based on today usage.
I'm actually a little disappointed with battery life on the 42mm. I'm hoping that today was a fluke, but I can't think of anything that I did out of the ordinary and I didn't really play with it. This is my first full day with it so it's very possibly a fluke.
I took it off the charger around 7:30am and by 3pm I was at 20%. It still lasted until i got home around 6 where it almost died. This is with ambient and gestures turned on. If it won't last through the day with those features on, I'm going to trade up to the 46mm. My nexus 5 was almost dead as well which might mean there was a runaway app. I'm hoping so at least.

Highly confused on ambient display

The menu option says that he screen will illuminate when lifting the phone or when a notification comes in. That would be fine except mine is acting more like the moto x and pulsing every few seconds which will kill an lcd battery.
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Mine did the same but I found that the culprit was the light flow app I installed to control the LED.
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Mine did the same but I found that the culprit was the light flow app I installed to control the LED.
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I've noticed it pulse as well but it doesn't go on very long, and doesn't do it all the time. I've not installed light flow at all, so I doubt that is the cause, and you may find it starts doing it again.
It's unlikely to drain that much power if it only does it a few times, and ambient display is off if the phone is covered like in a case or coat pocket.
I couldn't at first get it to turn on reliably when being picked up, but the trick seems to be to lift it up and at the same time turn it from horizontal to being more vertical. The other thing is when you keep trying, the phone seems to turn off ambient display as it thinks it is in transit rather than on a desk or a surface, which makes senses, but doesn't help when trying the feature out.
Google said you can nudge the phone to turn on ambient display, but I'm not sure what sort of nudge to give it, so can't really get this working.
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