[Q] New 8.4 S, root right away? - Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi, just got home from Best Buy with an 8.4 S. Got it for a decent price after price matching with Canada Computers. This is my first android tablet but I'm on my fourth android phone and I've rooted and played with roms before.
So we all know touchwiz lags right out of the box. I want to fix this. I'll replace the launcher regardless but I've got a couple questions:
1) People suggest waiting a bit before rooting in case the tablet is defective. Is this really necessary? Is there any way to run a diagnostic so I can figure out if there are hardware defects before rooting?
2) Does rooting really void hardware warranty coverage? This seems a little ridiculous. I've owned four android phones so far and not a single one has had a hardware issue that I didn't cause myself. Has anyone rooted and actually had issues that Samsung refused to fix?
3) Given that the official Samsung L build is coming to this tab soon, should I just wait until then before making any decision on rooting?
4) In the mean-time, I'll probably run the Debloater tool referenced here
I understand some of these are personal decisions but I'm curious what your opinions are!

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[Q] Boot loop problem

Hi, I have a few questions I hope you can help me with?
My wife has a galaxy nexus, stock and unrooted. It is only around 6 weeks old and last week it started crashing, turning off then getting stuck in a boot loop just displaying the starting colours. I understand this is a known problem, she has software version 4.0.2 and it says her phone is up to date.
I "fixed" her phone once with a factory reset however this time she is away with work till Friday and now has no use of her phone or contractual minuets or data ect.
To make things worst she was planning on using the sat nav and wireless tethering to her laptop. It is the second time this has happened and she has lost all faith in her phone. She can maybe upgrade the software by downloading the 4.0.4 software but she/I don't see why she should have too. She just wants a phones that does what it says on the tin without needing to mod or mess around with it.
My questions are...
Is this problem enough for her to exchange the phone for another phone all together, she fancies a One X. Has anyone here managed to exchange the phone for this reason?
If not will updating the software to 4.0.4 fix the issue for sure? She really needs a reliable phone. Maybe it will be best to send it back under the warranty but we are afraid she will get another GNex with the same issue.
Any advice will be much appreciated
Sorry for the long post and thanks for reading,
Oliver
I would just try updating it and then wipe it. If that doesn't fix the issue it's most likely a hardware issue and I would warranty the phone.
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Hey there,
Well first I would suggest calming down and not reverting to hardware issues just yet, Bootloops are pretty common, especially when using phones which were meant for the (a bit) more advanced user, it's advantage is also it's flaw, being a modding monster that it is..
And this is by no means a flame - but I wouldn't want my wife to have a GN for that exact same reason, yes - she knows about flashing roms and stuff, but she needs a reliable phone, that will work and do what she needs it to do and nothing more, as opposed to me, I like to mess around a bit with my phones (also not that much, I plan to stay stock with my GN).
To your question, I don't have any experience with RMA's but it maybe worth a try.
You also mentioned she fancies the one-x.. that means she wasn't really keen on buying the GN in the first place (I believe).. and also - and don't take this the wrong way - I think she\you don't really know what the GN is all about, this isn't a phone for everybody, I mean - it is, but it's a shame to see it fall into hands that do not appreciate it for what it is, think of it as a nice new Ferrari, sure - it'll get your wife to work But she is not going to the Nurborgring to time her laps with it.. she'll complain that once in a while the clutch is too sensitive and that she cannot count on the car to take her to work every day, and that she really fancies the new Volkswagen beetle... you get my drift
Also - I believe that flashing to the 4.0.4 will sort the bootloops, which usually has everything to do with the kenrel.
Best of luck!
p.s. All of the above is said in a humoristic way!
omricn said:
Hey there,
Well first I would suggest calming down and not reverting to hardware issues just yet, Bootloops are pretty common, especially when using phones which were meant for the (a bit) more advanced user, it's advantage is also it's flaw, being a modding monster that it is..
And this is by no means a flame - but I wouldn't want my wife to have a GN for that exact same reason, yes - she knows about flashing roms and stuff, but she needs a reliable phone, that will work and do what she needs it to do and nothing more, as opposed to me, I like to mess around a bit with my phones (also not that much, I plan to stay stock with my GN).
To your question, I don't have any experience with RMA's but it maybe worth a try.
You also mentioned she fancies the one-x.. that means she wasn't really keen on buying the GN in the first place (I believe).. and also - and don't take this the wrong way - I think she\you don't really know what the GN is all about, this isn't a phone for everybody, I mean - it is, but it's a shame to see it fall into hands that do not appreciate it for what it is, think of it as a nice new Ferrari, sure - it'll get your wife to work But she is not going to the Nurborgring to time her laps with it.. she'll complain that once in a while the clutch is too sensitive and that she cannot count on the car to take her to work every day, and that she really fancies the new Volkswagen beetle... you get my drift
Also - I believe that flashing to the 4.0.4 will sort the bootloops, which usually has everything to do with the kenrel.
Best of luck!
p.s. All of the above is said in a humoristic way!
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Thanks for your post.
My wife wanted to upgrade her htc desire to a faster phone with bigger screen, she loves android and Google products and the Google nexus seemed like the best choice at the time (b4 the one X was released) she loved the phone till now.
The phone has twice randomly gone into a boot loop and twice we managed to get it working again both times within the week. This has caused her to lose faith in the phone. I guess the update should fix the issue but it doesn't seem to be available on her phone just yet.
A basic phone would not be enough 4 my wife, as I said in my first post she uses it to connect her laptop to the Internet and as a satnav. Also she watches youtube videos (720p screen is handy here) and for facebook.
We never had any such issues with our desires. When my wife returns home we will update her phone via pc if it doesn't void warranty (I'm sure it won't ) and hopefully the issue will be fixed for good.
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Sounds like our wives can get along my wify loves her htc desire hd! and to be honest, in my opinion in many ways it's much better than the sensation I had (stock).
And by what you described, if I was your wife (lol ) I'd also go for the GN.. I trust you know how to upgrade to 4.0.4, if you need any help just say so and I'll be more than happy to help
Also - from what I know upgrading will not void you warranty, you can simply lock the bootloader once you're done upgrading if you wish.
I really wish the bootloops will stop and that you wife will continue to enjoy her GN!
Hi again
I unlocked, rooted and installed Android Revelution HD 3.0.0 (based on 4.0.4) by mike1986 on her phone.
She is happy with her phone again.
Now it's rooted she likes the extra apps she can now install like AdFree.
I have a quick noob question though..
After installing the new rom her phone it said their is an update available. I understand that she should NOT accept over the air updates now she has a custom rom, and is that right?
Cheers, Oliver
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Hey Oliver, sorry.. seems I didn't get subscription notifications on your reply...
anyway, she "can" download the update, but it will not install, it will simply give an error upon installation, the reason is the original files that the update needs to update are not there anymore, or they are but have changed, so it will just give an installation error.. that's the only downside to having a custom rom. me personally - I like mine stock at the moment
Just a quick update, I rooted, s- offed and install Arhd rom on my wife's gnex.
She says her phone is running faster/smoother than ever and has not restarted since. It's running great and she is happy again
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Will rooting my phone make me ineligible for an upgrade?

I've had my phone for roughly 15 months. It has been my first foray into Android and I absolutely it. What I don't like is TouchWiz. It makes the phone a hassle to use because of how slow it runs. I've heard rooting makes a phone faster but I've always been hesitant to root it because of how it voids your warranty. However, since I'm eligible for an upgrade come February so I figure I should root my phone to experience rooting. I don't want to do it if it prevents me from getting a new phone.
Can anyone help me out here?
Hero746 said:
I've had my phone for roughly 15 months. It has been my first foray into Android and I absolutely it. What I don't like is TouchWiz. It makes the phone a hassle to use because of how slow it runs. I've heard rooting makes a phone faster but I've always been hesitant to root it because of how it voids your warranty. However, since I'm eligible for an upgrade come February so I figure I should root my phone to experience rooting. I don't want to do it if it prevents me from getting a new phone.
Can anyone help me out here?
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you can always unroot your phone and im pretty sure that if you are eligable for an upgrade that they arent going to search your phone, more than likely is they send straight to factory and just flash it and send your phone to people who broke theirs lol
just saying from what i heard of, but you can root your phone and unroot if you want to experience how it is to have a rooted device, my phones een rooted for about year and a little more than half, soft bricked so many times but thats the fun part
flashing gets pretty addicting lol, im like a flashaholic
but trust me you'll enjoy it
Don't phone carriers have a way of knowing if you've rooted your phone in the past? The last thing I want to happen is to be told that I have to pay full price for a new phone after having it for like a week.
Straight from t-mobile website:
"As long as the phone you're trading in powers on, is not cracked, and has no water damage, you only have to pay a down payment for the next phone when you’re ready to upgrade."
At the same time it also mentions this:
"Once the used phone is received at the Trade-in Center, it will be tested and inspected. All personal data and corporate IT policies will be removed."
I would recommend reverting to stock first.
Thank you very much.
With this info in mind, I plan on rooting my device using Cyanogenmod. Can anyone confirm if triangle away works with the T-Mobile SII? How would I return to stock?
I've upgraded a few phones that were rooted and had different Roms I just flashed to stock and didn't even unroot they didn't check but might wanna just in case lol plus custom recovery is kinda a give away lol
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I've heard that if they find it rooted, even if it is a big IF, they are able to void the warranty. Don't think anything it matters for an upgrade though. Either way, they probably won't check it, and even if they do, I don't think they will do anything about it. You can always go back to stock to be safe.
I heard for the Note 3 they are adding a detection hardware that cannot be undone once rooted, even if you go back to stock. These kinds of things are made for people who like to find ways around them though, and these people usually win.
So, does TriangleAway work with the Samsung Galaxy S2? (I have the SGHT989D unlocked and rooted)?

Scrolling issues

Hi,
I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini GT-I9195. It is not so easy to explain but I will try:
I experience that when I do scroll most pages up and down at the end of the scroll it does not end smoothly but in jerks.
Is the problem related to firmware ver or does it have to do with something else?
I am waiting for Android 4.3 to be out for this model hoping to see if this issue disappear.
Obviously, it is not such a niche felling.
Please let me know what to do.
Thank you
Is the issu also there if you've a custom rom installed?
Flatric said:
Is the issu also there if you've a custom rom installed?
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I have never installed a custom rom and do not know how to do so. I do not have much experience with Android though I wish to learn and be able to manage it as I do on Windows OS.
Please let me kindly know what needs to be done to troubleshoot, although I noticed that this symptom I noticed also on a Galaxy S4.
I am really tempted to sell this device as I consider it not being worth the money I spent but I do not know if on other devices, like HTC One (which I might be interested) this behavior occurs.
As an example another user, on this forum, confirmed me that the phone signal is quite weak when compared to other phones, still with same carrier: This should not happen when you spend €400! Instead, Samsung covers its **** saying "I cannot compare brand names and even this model with other models", rather than just saying: we screwed up with this phone!!!
Please let me know.
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Newbie with A70 Advice To Root or not to Root?

Hi
Ive just ordered a A70 and was wondering what should i do and not do ie update etc?
Im wondering should i root or stay stock
But i do fancy installing LineageOS but do i need to root to install
Also will rooting void my warranty?
Thanks
I would wait till the android 10 update comes out, before you root.
It comes out in april.
And yes, rooting will 100% void your warranty forever.
Do I need to root to install LineageOS
bornnslippy said:
Do I need to root to install LineageOS
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No, you don't need to root.
But you need to have a custom recovery installed like TWRP.
(Would not recommend tho, to install a custom rom, because of the bugs. It's pretty unstable right now.)
Ok thanks
i personally like rooting all my phones i get.
but due to the lack of many custom roms, i first just used my phone as it is - stock.. see if i liked it like that and it was actually perfectly ok.
however after a few weeks i needed some extra volume boost with Android Auto, so i rooted to solely use Viper4Android.
my advice try stock for awhile see if you like it, if tou desperately need a rooted app then root.
I got a stupid question... will rooting my a70 prevent me from updates?
deloj said:
I got a stupid question... will rooting my a70 prevent me from updates?
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OTA updates - yes it will affect and won't be possible.
but flashing manually via ODIN - that's the way to do it
bornnslippy said:
Hi
Ive just ordered a A70 and was wondering what should i do and not do ie update etc?
Im wondering should i root or stay stock
But i do fancy installing LineageOS but do i need to root to install
Also will rooting void my warranty?
Thanks
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If you don't know why you need to root (without reason to install LineageOS, coz without root if i'm not wrong, it will not available), better stay away from root at all. Second it void yours warranty, but this is not worst thing, if you don't have nothing common with rooting, you can easily brick yours phone. Will be problems with that, you can easily lose it. Yhea, yhea developers probably know how to fix that and my warning sounds like funny post, but when I had one this situation, I had to bring it to authorized service (Then I had warranty and I did not said true what's happen in authorized service for fact that I could lose warranty. So they thought it just stucked my smartphone on boot without reason over night). As I know they changed motherboard and how I understand they did not unbricked it with programming process. So if authorized service will detect that it's your fault (if you will have to bring to they), you have to change motherboard (probably - it depends what to say to you authorized service), which cost for you a lot of money, coz you will lose warranty immediately. So if you want to root just for fact that some doing like that without any reasons (to change OS from official to 3rd parties - why need when update is will be official, you have warranty and ect???) - stay away from this idea at all. I recommend you at all don't modify software (if manufacture don't recommend to do some changes even in software). You can easily uninstall some unwanted apps (I couldn't to uninstall maybe only 5 apps from most, but they are still disabled very easily). Smartphone is smoothly, battery is very good. Why at all need to root this device??? Game running very well like: FIFA Mobile, Call of Duty Mobile, NBA 2K20, Asphalt 9 Legend (all in highest settings), if I remember right PUBG Mobile (which was mentioned in other thread and is very popular) worked to me smoothly too, but that game I don't like for strange blue (if I am not wrong) zone where need to run as quickly as possible someone from this zone, but I don't know where. Time always rans faster as I ran. I played it only maybe two time, ok three maybe for some minutes until I was killed by this zone. Don't worry you can play most popular games if you are gamer at all without any problems (i'm sure). Only NBA 2K Mobile lagging in this phone. It doesn't matter in low or highest settings, but how I understand from 2K, this is not phone guilty. As I understand, 2K did not supporting this game for Samsung A70 100% and probably it available in Google Play just for requirements compliance: need Android 8 or higher OS (Samsung A70 have Android 9). RAM must be more as 4 (Samsung A70 have 6 or 8, depends which version u ordered), also good and fast internet connection. There is no reason to lag, but lag is. So probably only these game you can't play from most popular games, I guess. Coz for me did not worked it good. Was big lag, then I bought NBA 2K20, which by the way is much more better as Mobile version. But I saw in Google Play is update for this game already which released December 6, 2019. Maybe already is fixed lag problem. Oh I forgot to write, lag is in Samsung S10 too which is flagship of 2019 from Samsung (I don't remember exactly in which model Note, + or any others, fact that in Samsung any S10 had to run it smoothly, but is the same problem. 2K explain that game is new, models are new, so... can be like this...but maybe will be fixed with future updates).
P.S. I don't know what you doing with smartphone: reading, watching video/movies or listening often music (sounds is not so loud as I expected and on all volume is not good, have distortion a little bit), browsing only or playing games. What is your skill of rooting and ect. I just wrote what I know and my recommendations to do not root. I tried some smartphone to root in past, I know some apps for that, I tried some methods for others phone and ect. So I know how possible to easily lose a phone if you are rookie at all in that. I can't understand at all why need to modify very good mid range smartphone with which you can do a lot of things without any problems? So sorry if my post sounds like scary warning or funny at all, but I just tried to shared my knowledge and experience about root, this model and ect.

Is there an actual need to root?

I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?
No. I wouldn't... for you though the cat's already out of the bag.
If running on Pie I definitely wouldn't update to 10 or worse 11.
mckeowngoo said:
I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?
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Like you, I've been rooting since my HTC-Hero way back in the early days of Android. It was necessary for better kernels, better battery life, better RAM and CPU management, better file systems (Early days of ARM and EXT4) and of course those cool themes and apps that only work with Root (Titanium Backup, Gosh I miss you!!). Not to mention what was my favorite, MIUI!
The last phone I rooted was the Nexus 6. It was a powerhouse! I still have it in a drawer full of old devices in my desk and miss it! Someone once told me when checking out my N6, "Your phone is like a muscle car!"
I miss rooting and I hate that carriers have locked the Bootloaders down. Android was founded on and was expanded by the Amateur Development community. Look up Cyanogen for details!.
I just bought my daughter this device outright - first, one I've ever bought that wasn't through my carrier and I'll be doing the same with the Pixel 6 for myself later this year which means I can finally go back to rooting and hopefully back to what earned me the RC title, but I also wonder, do I really NEED to root these??
My daughter isn't a power user. She's probably happy with whatever native settings and Samsung themes she can find on her own. My Pixel 4 XL has been great as is. so I applaud your question because I also wonder if rooting is still necessary or is it just a way to feel rebellious and outside the fray?
I also own a Pixel 4, bought to scratch an itch when I wanted to try out GrapheneOS.
I think I will go back to stock, which is sad as I enjoyed the process of modifying the phones software. If there was a net gain or increased functionality to keep the phone rooted, I would but unfortunately there isn't a compelling reason to keep the bootloader unlocked.
Am I wrong? Is the scene, at least for Samsung phones, dead and this forum obsolete?
Root is a must for me. Just being able to debloat. Either way I bought a unlock token
I understand the debloat of carriers useless apps, but since I found that ADB can basicly remove the programs I don't need root for that. But I still like root for change hosts files and such.

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