Hi, I have a few questions I hope you can help me with?
My wife has a galaxy nexus, stock and unrooted. It is only around 6 weeks old and last week it started crashing, turning off then getting stuck in a boot loop just displaying the starting colours. I understand this is a known problem, she has software version 4.0.2 and it says her phone is up to date.
I "fixed" her phone once with a factory reset however this time she is away with work till Friday and now has no use of her phone or contractual minuets or data ect.
To make things worst she was planning on using the sat nav and wireless tethering to her laptop. It is the second time this has happened and she has lost all faith in her phone. She can maybe upgrade the software by downloading the 4.0.4 software but she/I don't see why she should have too. She just wants a phones that does what it says on the tin without needing to mod or mess around with it.
My questions are...
Is this problem enough for her to exchange the phone for another phone all together, she fancies a One X. Has anyone here managed to exchange the phone for this reason?
If not will updating the software to 4.0.4 fix the issue for sure? She really needs a reliable phone. Maybe it will be best to send it back under the warranty but we are afraid she will get another GNex with the same issue.
Any advice will be much appreciated
Sorry for the long post and thanks for reading,
Oliver
I would just try updating it and then wipe it. If that doesn't fix the issue it's most likely a hardware issue and I would warranty the phone.
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Hey there,
Well first I would suggest calming down and not reverting to hardware issues just yet, Bootloops are pretty common, especially when using phones which were meant for the (a bit) more advanced user, it's advantage is also it's flaw, being a modding monster that it is..
And this is by no means a flame - but I wouldn't want my wife to have a GN for that exact same reason, yes - she knows about flashing roms and stuff, but she needs a reliable phone, that will work and do what she needs it to do and nothing more, as opposed to me, I like to mess around a bit with my phones (also not that much, I plan to stay stock with my GN).
To your question, I don't have any experience with RMA's but it maybe worth a try.
You also mentioned she fancies the one-x.. that means she wasn't really keen on buying the GN in the first place (I believe).. and also - and don't take this the wrong way - I think she\you don't really know what the GN is all about, this isn't a phone for everybody, I mean - it is, but it's a shame to see it fall into hands that do not appreciate it for what it is, think of it as a nice new Ferrari, sure - it'll get your wife to work But she is not going to the Nurborgring to time her laps with it.. she'll complain that once in a while the clutch is too sensitive and that she cannot count on the car to take her to work every day, and that she really fancies the new Volkswagen beetle... you get my drift
Also - I believe that flashing to the 4.0.4 will sort the bootloops, which usually has everything to do with the kenrel.
Best of luck!
p.s. All of the above is said in a humoristic way!
omricn said:
Hey there,
Well first I would suggest calming down and not reverting to hardware issues just yet, Bootloops are pretty common, especially when using phones which were meant for the (a bit) more advanced user, it's advantage is also it's flaw, being a modding monster that it is..
And this is by no means a flame - but I wouldn't want my wife to have a GN for that exact same reason, yes - she knows about flashing roms and stuff, but she needs a reliable phone, that will work and do what she needs it to do and nothing more, as opposed to me, I like to mess around a bit with my phones (also not that much, I plan to stay stock with my GN).
To your question, I don't have any experience with RMA's but it maybe worth a try.
You also mentioned she fancies the one-x.. that means she wasn't really keen on buying the GN in the first place (I believe).. and also - and don't take this the wrong way - I think she\you don't really know what the GN is all about, this isn't a phone for everybody, I mean - it is, but it's a shame to see it fall into hands that do not appreciate it for what it is, think of it as a nice new Ferrari, sure - it'll get your wife to work But she is not going to the Nurborgring to time her laps with it.. she'll complain that once in a while the clutch is too sensitive and that she cannot count on the car to take her to work every day, and that she really fancies the new Volkswagen beetle... you get my drift
Also - I believe that flashing to the 4.0.4 will sort the bootloops, which usually has everything to do with the kenrel.
Best of luck!
p.s. All of the above is said in a humoristic way!
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Thanks for your post.
My wife wanted to upgrade her htc desire to a faster phone with bigger screen, she loves android and Google products and the Google nexus seemed like the best choice at the time (b4 the one X was released) she loved the phone till now.
The phone has twice randomly gone into a boot loop and twice we managed to get it working again both times within the week. This has caused her to lose faith in the phone. I guess the update should fix the issue but it doesn't seem to be available on her phone just yet.
A basic phone would not be enough 4 my wife, as I said in my first post she uses it to connect her laptop to the Internet and as a satnav. Also she watches youtube videos (720p screen is handy here) and for facebook.
We never had any such issues with our desires. When my wife returns home we will update her phone via pc if it doesn't void warranty (I'm sure it won't ) and hopefully the issue will be fixed for good.
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Sounds like our wives can get along my wify loves her htc desire hd! and to be honest, in my opinion in many ways it's much better than the sensation I had (stock).
And by what you described, if I was your wife (lol ) I'd also go for the GN.. I trust you know how to upgrade to 4.0.4, if you need any help just say so and I'll be more than happy to help
Also - from what I know upgrading will not void you warranty, you can simply lock the bootloader once you're done upgrading if you wish.
I really wish the bootloops will stop and that you wife will continue to enjoy her GN!
Hi again
I unlocked, rooted and installed Android Revelution HD 3.0.0 (based on 4.0.4) by mike1986 on her phone.
She is happy with her phone again.
Now it's rooted she likes the extra apps she can now install like AdFree.
I have a quick noob question though..
After installing the new rom her phone it said their is an update available. I understand that she should NOT accept over the air updates now she has a custom rom, and is that right?
Cheers, Oliver
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Hey Oliver, sorry.. seems I didn't get subscription notifications on your reply...
anyway, she "can" download the update, but it will not install, it will simply give an error upon installation, the reason is the original files that the update needs to update are not there anymore, or they are but have changed, so it will just give an installation error.. that's the only downside to having a custom rom. me personally - I like mine stock at the moment
Just a quick update, I rooted, s- offed and install Arhd rom on my wife's gnex.
She says her phone is running faster/smoother than ever and has not restarted since. It's running great and she is happy again
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So I bought my gf a one v and she loves it. One month after using it (stock, unrooted) it just went dead. Doesn't charge and doesn't get into bootloader (but not the QHSUSB_DLOAD and Blank Screen issue). Guy at repair told me that this was an issue with the ICS kernel causing a hard brick. Now, I naturally sent phone for repair since it is a warranty case. So far so good, lets just hope they get it done fast.
My question is though: should I root device and flash another ROM with presumably no such issues so I can avoid a future brick? I mean, I'm using a rooted desire and have no issues for over 2 years, now just didn't want to mess with the new phone of my gf and thought 'hey, lets keep it stock'... But the thought that it would die again after having it repaired is really discouraging. My gf is kind of frustraded and I don't want this to happen again. But are there such issues with custom ROMs for the One V? Like I said, I'm using the good old desire and don't know much about the one v, so I would really apreciate if you can tell me - because if such an issue is possible on custom roms, there is no point to bother flashing and voiding warranty.
Thanks for your time guys!
Well at the moment we have only modified stock ROM for this device and one custom kernel (in beta state) which is still an ICS kernel.
However you''ll never know whether this happens again or not. But one thing you can know for sure is that if you unlock the bootloader and install a custom kernel and ROM and it happens again then your are screwed because you lost your warranty.
Maybe you should wait a bit for some stable custom rom. Because an unstable and buggy ROM would make your gf even more frustrated and andgry
Oh well, thanks for the insight my friend..So, If I got this right, if I root and flash one of the current roms and it bricks again, I will still not be able to acces bootloader? And is this really a kernel issue with ICS? I'm willing to even flash a GB rom, if it is possible, in order to avoid this...gf won't mind for sure lol, if this delivers a stable phone in the future
P.S. Does this even happen with other ICS roms/on other stock ICS devices? Or did HTC just screw up on this one? I can understand a phone bricking when changing hboots or other tinkering, but just dieing like that is pretty damn stupid. And from what I read it happens to quite a few other one v users...Hope noone of you guys gets to experience this crap
falconyx said:
Oh well, thanks for the insight my friend..So, If I got this right, if I root and flash one of the current roms and it bricks again, I will still not be able to acces bootloader? And is this really a kernel issue with ICS? I'm willing to even flash a GB rom, if it is possible, in order to avoid this...gf won't mind for sure lol, if this delivers a stable phone in the future
P.S. Does this even happen with other ICS roms/on other stock ICS devices? Or did HTC just screw up on this one? I can understand a phone bricking when changing hboots or other tinkering, but just dieing like that is pretty damn stupid. And from what I read it happens to quite a few other one v users...Hope noone of you guys gets to experience this crap
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1. In no other galaxy, no other planet... IT IS NOT A KERNEL FAULT! it may at well be a piece of poorly made phone. you should get another one from the warranty. I can 100% say that you will not have any problems. The kernel doesn't suddenly causes hard brick to your phone. If it does, do you know how many phones running ICS are there? Or One V's...
I have flashed alpha/beta/final kernels/roms for millions of times, no problems whatsoever.
in no way this is a kernel/soft problem. more likely the flash drive from your gf's phone, died!
1ceb0x said:
1. In no other galaxy, no other planet... IT IS NOT A KERNEL FAULT! it may at well be a piece of poorly made phone. you should get another one from the warranty. I can 100% say that you will not have any problems. The kernel doesn't suddenly causes hard brick to your phone. If it does, do you know how many phones running ICS are there? Or One V's...
I have flashed alpha/beta/final kernels/roms for millions of times, no problems whatsoever.
in no way this is a kernel/soft problem. more likely the flash drive from your gf's phone, died!
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Thx dude, I was sort of wondering how this could really be a kernel problem, since the guy over at the repair told me so - 'Its a kernel issue with ICS'... well, I hope he was really wrong and the device we receive (hopefully soon) will be proper
falconyx said:
Thx dude, I was sort of wondering how this could really be a kernel problem, since the guy over at the repair told me so - 'Its a kernel issue with ICS'... well, I hope he was really wrong and the device we receive (hopefully soon) will be proper
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That guy should really make his homework. In no way a kernel can brick the phone. If this was true, the phone will not boot and work for weeks in the first place. Its not like the kernel has a "time-bomb" inside and it triggers when it is set.
As I said, it is a phone problem, something hardware has failed.
Hopefully it will be fixed for you gf and she will not have any problems in the future.
It happens in India too
My htc one v got bricked suddenly while using it. Forums at internet says it happens if battery charge goes below certain limit. Mine it went down to 24%
It happened to me when my battery level was 14%. now I have to pay 200$ for repairs. (because I live in Iran.)
HTC ONE V dead
falconyx said:
Oh well, thanks for the insight my friend..So, If I got this right, if I root and flash one of the current roms and it bricks again, I will still not be able to acces bootloader? And is this really a kernel issue with ICS? I'm willing to even flash a GB rom, if it is possible, in order to avoid this...gf won't mind for sure lol, if this delivers a stable phone in the future
P.S. Does this even happen with other ICS roms/on other stock ICS devices? Or did HTC just screw up on this one? I can understand a phone bricking when changing hboots or other tinkering, but just dieing like that is pretty damn stupid. And from what I read it happens to quite a few other one v users...Hope noone of you guys gets to experience this crap
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Hi My HTC one V just died , I didn't know how it was happened . 10 minutes before I made I call and just after sometime It stopped working .
Even it is not charging at all, mobile is out of warranty. don't really know what to do ..
Any suggestion would be appreciated .
Regards
Manoj
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA Premium HD app
On ParanoidAndroid 2.54 + franco.kernel r300. None of the problems you mentioned are present or has ever happened with me. Perhaps if you didn't mod your phone so much as to NOT be able to pinpoint a problem is where you went wrong.
Who knows? I surely don't. Don't know you but I don't think I'll be noticing your absence. Good luck with everything!
automaddux said:
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
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Thats cool, you already tried your fair share of roms, if none of them worked for you the stock is the best with unsurpassed stability. Despite whats advertised about the nexus, the stock android firmware is excellent too, specially when you want something that just plain works.
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Great story brother. Thanks for sharing.
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bk201doesntexist said:
Great story brother. Thanks for sharing.
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Keep coming..it works if you work it
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goodbye person ive never seen post before. hope you figure out your problems
Stock is the way to go, but you don't have to leave the xda because you no longer run a custom ROM. there is a lot of useful information that is shared here that doesn't necessarily apply to custom ROM.
I am also running stock rom from now on.
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automaddux said:
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA Premium HD app
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I hope you really didn't write all of this from your nexus lol. But just go to stock...simple :thumbup:
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I see how you feel abouyt this. I have had issues as well. It really stems from what Roms are and what we expect from them. The term Night lies have lost a little bit of its worry recently because they are fairly bug free. But that doesn't mean that little tweaks and mods aren't killing battery life and deteriorate over time due to bad patches and coding.
That said I would highly recommend checking out BuglessBeast. They are not night lies by any means. They are highly stable AOSP Roms that perform much better then anything else on the market. He has few commits aside from under the hood tweaks. Reboot menu, emoji and a slight few other things are it. I have never had an issue with them and recommend checking them out. Also they are pretty much the only VZW app compatible ROM. Peter has been building BuglessBeast since Eclair on the Droid1 (almost 3 years now). Always providing an excellent experience.
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Keep coming..it works if you work it
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Flashaholics anonymous?
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Stock + root is the way to go for me on Nexus phones. On my last non Nexus (SGS3) I was always flashing new roms trying to look for something that just works, but I am tired of it. On my Nexus S and GNexus, stock rom is amazing, I don't need anything else.
automaddux said:
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
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I'm with this guy as well... I upgraded to a stock 4.2 rom (with root, but not a custom build).. and I have been smooth sailing since. It seems with all these custom roms and kernels there are nothing but issues. Sure, they're a TAD faster or offer little tweaks but when you need to use your device in the real world and it f*cking reboots while navigating somewhere because of a stupid tweak you made.. well, I can't see why it's even needed.
This phone runs very well with Stock+Root. I normally root devices because of different apps I like to use, and the ability to make custom backups...but I dont normally try anything bleeding edge...lol.
Partly because of my experience on an HTC phone...hated Sense and bought the GNex because of the AOSP.
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I'm with this guy as well... I upgraded to a stock 4.2 rom (with root, but not a custom build).. and I have been smooth sailing since. It seems with all these custom roms and kernels there are nothing but issues. Sure, they're a TAD faster or offer little tweaks but when you need to use your device in the real world and it f*cking reboots while navigating somewhere because of a stupid tweak you made.. well, I can't see why it's even needed.
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No need to bash the custom roms that some devs here work so hard to make, i agree that stock is amazing but android would be a boring scene without the custom roms out there
We would just be like Ios, Wp and blackberry users, stuck with what we've got
Others wouldnt even have the chance to use a newer OS version because their phone has been abandoned by official support.
Or many of u guys would have crappy colors or other issues that custom roms and kernels DID fix
I use stock but i love the fact that there are custom roms around
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No need to bash the custom roms that some devs here work so hard to make, i agree that stock is amazing but android would be a boring scene without the custom roms out there
We would just be like Ios, Wp and blackberry users, stuck with what we've got
Others wouldnt even have the chance to use a newer OS version because their phone has been abandoned by official support.
Or many of u guys would have crappy colors or other issues that custom roms and kernels DID fix
I use stock but i love the fact that there are custom roms around
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No I get that, it's good to see support for older devices but c'mon have you counted the amount of 4.1.2 roms that are available for the gnex? If I build android I'm automatically called a developer? Because that's the way it seems here...
I don't know why people keep bringing up the so crappy colors. In reality, the crappy colors are the ones custom ROM offer.
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I don't know why people keep bringing up the so crappy colors. In reality, the crappy colors are the ones custom ROM offer.
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its the kernels that offer the colors(the kernels that the ROM developers include too). of all the kernels available, only a very few distinguish themselves from the stock crappy colors.
This is ridiculous... who obligated you to install a custom ROM? F*cking emos.
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I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my...
Blah blah blah.....
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No, please stay! We'll never survive without you! [/SARCASM]
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This is ridiculous... who obligated you to install a custom ROM? F*cking emos.
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Alright Captain, you keep Franco deep in your throat.
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Hi,
I've got my GN for about 2 years now. It always runned fine. I use it essentially to make calls, mails, some european "anti-cop" app called "icoyote", spotify and that's it
Everything stock, full google official, no cracked bull**** apps or whatever.
Ok so now for about 1 month it became less and less stable. It literally happened from one day to another. I guarantee i didn't add/change or remove anything.
Main issues are : spotify crashes many times (~20 to 50) a day and 50% of the time the GPS fix fails to go trough, but a simple reboot and it work's instantly.
So I tought I should make a full factory reset. I did that and the issues I was experiencing remained the same.
Now comes the 1million $ question : how the heck can something stop to work from one day to another ? If it was some *unpredicted*, classic hardware failure, a simple reboot would definitely not solve it, for sure.
Leading to think it has to be software related..OK, so a factory reset should solve : it doesn't neither.
Why are those apps crashing even in a very stock/factory config? I even did skip this google restore profile bull**** to be sure i'm workng in a perfect clean state.
The only logic conclusion is that there must be some kind of hard coded counter which reached the end and is now triggering randomly something, *i don't know based on what, or activated how* making this **** happen
It's very very very frustrating because it was working like a charm those past 2 years and i thought it was a good investment. I was obviously wrong, another death scheduled device.
Now with the 4.3, I got the feeling it becomes even worse. Today, I had to reboot 4 times to get a gps fix (working 100% of the time just after the reboot) and it was a hassle to get trough 2 songs without being cut off in the middle of it.
FU samsung
But you only tried to flash 4.3. It's like giving a patient only 1 medicine and when that not works declare him dead. There maybe other ways to revive your phone..
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when did i say that ? i'm done by years flashing a tool I use to work with. i'm not using it as a toy.
i received the update ota
there's nothing left to try, since my last basic test's where made in a official google factory default situation on a google phone
it's just stock u see? everything else i could try from this point would lead to a non-default situation making every further considerations totally pointless
Well, if i'm right, the so called "crash-routine" would *maybe* not be present in a custom rom, but, again, it worked before and has to work the same way now.
I refuse to use any other workarounds than factory resetting it and, since i already did that a few times, i'm done
i'm not awaiting some kind of help here. i'm just exposing my case and the frustration i'm feeling since samsung nicely dry-fcked me ^^
Don't know why you're acting up for no reason.
It doesn't take a genius to understand and figure out that applications designed and updated for 4.2.2 will most likely not work on 4.3 until the devs update it to work on 4.3. Which, from my experience, doesn't take long at all. That's probably one of the solutions to your few problems.
Way to take things a little too far and throw a tantrum rather than seeking help.
Also, if you have no intentions of seeking a fix then you didn't need to post anything at all.
You're not waiting around here for help? Well, I'm not going to offer help to someone with that kind of attitude.
Peace out you won't be missed.
BTW, there's nothing left to try? LOL
There's about 7 things left to try and one of them would have definitely worked 100%. Figure it out on your own since you know everything.
Read this. It's called Planned Obsolescence. Manufactures purposely make devices with limited lifespan in order to upgrade to their next new device.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
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Fastboot, Odin, omap.. All stock..
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Don't know why you're acting up for no reason.
It doesn't take a genius to understand and figure out that applications designed and updated for 4.2.2 will most likely not work on 4.3 until the devs update it to work on 4.3. Which, from my experience, doesn't take long at all. That's probably one of the solutions to your few problems.
Way to take things a little too far and throw a tantrum rather than seeking help.
Also, if you have no intentions of seeking a fix then you didn't need to post anything at all.
You're not waiting around here for help? Well, I'm not going to offer help to someone with that kind of attitude.
Peace out you won't be missed.
BTW, there's nothing left to try? LOL
There's about 7 things left to try and one of them would have definitely worked 100%. Figure it out on your own since you know everything.
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I ain't here to help either, i just couldn't agree more with what he said above... and its 2013, everyone knows that every electronic sh*t comes with a limited life span, if you didnt know that until now, i'm not sure where you been living..
Peace \m/.
Try wiping your SD card
Just as a preface, wasn't sure if this should go in this section or the general section, but figured since this was Q&A I'd pick here. Anyways, I just got my HTC One today and am coming from Samsung Galaxy S3 (droid 3 and OG before that) and had them all rooted with custom roms, but have been reading about the process to unlock/root/s-off this device. I downloaded rumrunner and tried to run the program once already and got a "........f******" error and it closed without working, but that's not what I'm making the thread for. I'm really terrified of messing up the phone because I'm broke and can't afford to pay the insurance deductible if I break it and have to claim it was stolen. All of this back story to ask the question of: Is this one of those phones that NEEDS to be rooted to be worth using or can I expect acceptable battery life, speed, & use by simply disabling as much bloatware as possible and keeping the phone stock? Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it!
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Just as a preface, wasn't sure if this should go in this section or the general section, but figured since this was Q&A I'd pick here. Anyways, I just got my HTC One today and am coming from Samsung Galaxy S3 (droid 3 and OG before that) and had them all rooted with custom roms, but have been reading about the process to unlock/root/s-off this device. I downloaded rumrunner and tried to run the program once already and got a "........f******" error and it closed without working, but that's not what I'm making the thread for. I'm really terrified of messing up the phone because I'm broke and can't afford to pay the insurance deductible if I break it and have to claim it was stolen. All of this back story to ask the question of: Is this one of those phones that NEEDS to be rooted to be worth using or can I expect acceptable battery life, speed, & use by simply disabling as much bloatware as possible and keeping the phone stock? Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it!
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Honestly, based on what you wrote I'd say just disable the apps you don't want showing up and call it good. The Sense based ROMs are actually quite nice and HTC has been good about timely updates. Turning things off like Facebook notifications, weather updates, location service, and Google Now if you don't need it will all help. Enjoy your new phone.
I agree with mmuzy. I got my One right after they blocked HTCDev on this phone and the phone it worked perfect with out root. Speed was good, battery life was ok considering the size of the battery. My only reason for being hell bent on rooting this phone was ads on YouTube lol Pretty sure you already know this but disabling the animations in the developer settings speeds up the phone just a tad as well.
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Just as a preface, wasn't sure if this should go in this section or the general section, but figured since this was Q&A I'd pick here. Anyways, I just got my HTC One today and am coming from Samsung Galaxy S3 (droid 3 and OG before that) and had them all rooted with custom roms, but have been reading about the process to unlock/root/s-off this device. I downloaded rumrunner and tried to run the program once already and got a "........f******" error and it closed without working, but that's not what I'm making the thread for. I'm really terrified of messing up the phone because I'm broke and can't afford to pay the insurance deductible if I break it and have to claim it was stolen. All of this back story to ask the question of: Is this one of those phones that NEEDS to be rooted to be worth using or can I expect acceptable battery life, speed, & use by simply disabling as much bloatware as possible and keeping the phone stock? Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it!
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First things first, with the latest 4.3 update rumrunner doesn't work so even if you wanted to root and s-off it wouldn't be possible yet. Second, unlike Samsung devices, this thing is buttery smooth with or without the bloat so honestly your experience will still be excellent either way. I had an S4 before this phone that was rooted, all bloat removed, ad blocking, greenify, etc and I can tell you right now that right out of the box the HTC One was STILL way smoother than the S4 with NOTHING done to it. I'm running BoneStock at the moment which is basically just a stock rom, so I think HTC did an excellent job with Sense 5 on this phone.
I'm not going to try to sway you one way or another, just sharing my story. I've had the VZW HTC One since launch (Aug 22nd) and never saw a need to root or unlock it out the box. Everything was running great, the phone was smooth.
Suddenly, the 4.3 update arrived and my previously (close to) perfect phone has been plagued by issues. Multiple FCs from core and basic apps, piss poor data connectivity, and worst of all, terrible battery. Since accepting the update, my phone radio has been sucking roughly 45-60% battery at all time. Now I'm growing desperate for a way to unlock my device and control it. I went from around 14-16 hours of medium to heavy usage to barely getting 8 hours from light use. Once again, this is only my story, but, I know that having more control over my device will give me the ability to change my radio and fix my issues. So I vote yay to unlock/root.
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I'm not going to try to sway you one way or another, just sharing my story. I've had the VZW HTC One since launch (Aug 22nd) and never saw a need to root or unlock it out the box. Everything was running great, the phone was smooth.
Suddenly, the 4.3 update arrived and my previously (close to) perfect phone has been plagued by issues. Multiple FCs from core and basic apps, piss poor data connectivity, and worst of all, terrible battery. Since accepting the update, my phone radio has been sucking roughly 45-60% battery at all time. Now I'm growing desperate for a way to unlock my device and control it. I went from around 14-16 hours of medium to heavy usage to barely getting 8 hours from light use. Once again, this is only my story, but, I know that having more control over my device will give me the ability to change my radio and fix my issues. So I vote yay to unlock/root.
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Try a factory reset. I was running the 4.3 OTA rom for a few days and I didn't experience any of the issues you just mentioned. I'm now on 4.3 BoneStock with zero issues as well.
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Try a factory reset. I was running the 4.3 OTA rom for a few days and I didn't experience any of the issues you just mentioned. I'm now on 4.3 BoneStock with zero issues as well.
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I agree with this. OTAs are nice in that we don't lose all our apps and settings but they're kind of like dirty flashing a custom ROM. If you have a gremlin infestation with the OTA then I'd start with a factory reset and see if things run better when you clean install your apps.
Well, after a few days of time to test after the full wipe and manual restore I'm still experiencing terrible battery life. As I stated before, it was mainly phone radio taking the brunt of the battery, and that still seems to be the case. On the positive side of things, I do have twice the free space available now.
Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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Could you please tell me what setting? I get great service where I work and haven't had a problem with any other phone. I even went to Verizon and got a new SIM card. I've tried everything, starting with factory resets and clearing the cache. I have sleep mode off, app data sync on, mobile data is not restricted or limited, I've tried with and without beats audio enabled. The audio cuts out about every 5 minutes for 5-10 seconds and comes back on, just to cut out again for 5-10 seconds every 5 or so minutes. It's very annoying. The only thing that really helps is the data connection fix app, but that's not 100% reliable. I even called HTC and Verizon about the issue and they are looking into it. I would have normally just tried a different ROM, but I'm unable to unlock/s-off/root my phone because I'm on 4.4.2(3.11.605.1). That's the only reason I even called them. I currently have my phone up for sale and I'm seriously thinking about switching my service to sprint. I'm tired of paying top dollar for used phones to keep my unlimited data on Verizon. For all I know, there could be a problem with the phone, but it seems like a software issue to me. Everything else works and runs great. It's just that streaming Internet Radio is the thing I use most.
Have you tried this?
http://androidforums.com/htc-one/732481-beats-audio-setting-interrupts-streaming-audio.html
https://twitter.com/TeamAndIRC/status/443850349678321664
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Have you tried this?
Yes I've tried. It has nothing to do with beats audio. For some reason it just drops the data connection for like 5-10 seconds with the screen off every 5 minutes or so. I don't know if it's incompatible apps with 4.4.2 or 4.4.2 itself. It could also have something to do with the HTC sense software. It could just be the way this phone communicates with the Verizon towers. I have no idea and it's very frustrating. The last time I had a problem similar to this was when I had an LG Optimus V on Virgin Mobile and it would lose 3g and I would have to turn off the data connection and turn it back on. This is different, though, because I have 4G LTE all the time. There just seems to be a delay in receiving my data to where the Internet Radio cuts out before it signals for more data. Then by the time I receive more data, it's too late and the sound has already cut out. I did a speed test and I'm getting about 30mbps download and around 15mbps upload so I know I'm not being throttled. The only thing that helps is the data connection fix app.
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I did some more testing and I don't have any issues on WiFi and I don't have any issues if the screen stays on. It's only on cellular data with the screen off when I'm having issues. I noticed the Power Saving feature was removed in 4.4.2 and instead there's a sleep mode option. I have the sleep mode option off, but I'm thinking my issue might be because of a power saving bug in the HTC software for 4.4.2. If anybody knows anything about this, please post. Thanks
Think it will ever be unlocked?
I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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Well it took beaups and crew about 1 month + to get 4.3 unlocked. Plus it seems more devs are having issues with 4.4.2 so it could be longer. At this point hope for the best and expect the worse.
I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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Valid points! That's why I said "almost every time"... I really just need root and I would be happy but I switch devices so much that I probably won't even have the One (my 3rd HTC One) by the time it gets exploited (if) it does. And I do understand that Google has to close a lot of security holes so that they don't look like they are such a terrible company by allowing all of these terrible "viruses" into our phones which I have never had any issues with. I do agree with you though that we will probably all be buying dev phones sooner than later. Thanks for the insight!
Just another reason to leave Verizon and go get a Nexus device.