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Hello kind folks at xda,
I really hate my galaxy nexus the past few months. It's just so incredibly slow and the battery life is terrible. I just don't wanna buy a new phone yet. I'm waiting for the new Nexus device or maybe even the X-Phone by Motorola.
But till then, I need my nexus to be smooth again. I already given up the hope for a battery life. It just doesn't get any better. I've been not very active on xda for a long time so I need to get a bit freshed up.
What is for you the most smootest/fastest rom/kernel?
Im now using a battery savers Xylon rom from 2 months ago.
Thanks a lot!
Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
before you flash a new rom and kernel, have you considered what exactly is the real issue here? is it really the rom or yourself?
because quite frankly, a lot of roms are in fact not as smooth/stable as the stock rom.
are you running ****load of widgets? or have the background apps constantly updating stuff like facebook/twitter/rss feed etc?
when you say terrible battery life, what exactly is terrible to you? like how much standby + on screen?
We need more specifics to help, you cant just say tell me the best rom and kernel to flash.
TL;DR - CM + AK kernel is my personal favourite.
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Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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You're so right about that. Gonna try what you said. Hope I see some improvement and that the nexus wil actually feel like the flagship phone it once was.
also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
People seem to like all these...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1339
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also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
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Like I said I'm on Rasbeanjelly rom. And yeah I used stock 4.2.2 for months too, and those hiccups are indeed annoying, and sometimes switching between homescreens lagged too, or app drawer.
I wouldn't say it was iOS'ish smooth at all, I'd say for android you need a decent high-end quad core phone to have such smoothness. A Note 2 for example even with crappy Touchwiz on it is SOO smooth, it destroys the Gnex in terms of smoothness and speed.. But ok, that's an unfair comparison
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But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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I'll disagree. Its better than my GS3 was stock. I am getting 18+ hours with 2+ hours of screen time on the stock battery, and have the official extended battery on the way. In order to get more than 10-12 hours on the GS3 I needed to root and put an aftermarket ROM and/or kernel, and it CERTAINLY beats the hell out of my buddy's HTC One.
@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
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Well its true. No two people are going to come in here and tell you the same combo of ROM and kernel. You are going to get a bunch of different answers. The best thing for you to do is to just start trying them out. We all had to do it before we found what worked for us. What works for us may not work for you.
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
LarsAussems said:
Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Alright, thanks for your help.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Just yesterday I made an iPhone user jealous at how buttery smooth scrolling is on my GNex running 4.2.2 (showed him the text app with a long list of texts and pictures). He couldn't believe how much smoother it was than his iPhone 4.
AOKP M1/Franco kernel
well, i have both ip5 and gnex, my brother has a nexus 4 too, when i tried to compare ip5 with n4, the ui is smooth on both devices, however android will hiccup randomly while ios generally stay smooth, i am not saying iphone never lags, they do as well, but its only under heavy work load, unlike android where they can just lag out of no where, both devices lag under heavy work load, i get that, but somehow android still lag randomly, thats the only thing i am not happt with android, other than that, it is the perfect os comparing to ios.
I just picked up a used S3. My contract is up in Sept and wanted to see if I like the android better the then iphone. I have been generally happy with the Iphone once I jailbroke except the really for vibration mode and missing calls and messages. Also missed the openess to get into files and move stuff around like pictures music and videos. I had a galaxy Captivate 2 years ago that was rooted and was pretty happy to get the iphone because everything just worked smoother and less little issues. Now fast forward 2 years and I was pretty excited to get into the a S3 and see all the improvements. Gotta saw pretty disappointing. This phone feels way to close to the captivate of years ago. It is relatively smooth going thru screens and such with Nova launcher. Apps open fast and don't crash. But in most menu screens and certainly many internet screens, it is just not smooth scrolling to down right heavy choppy. And I enjoy a few games that have great graphics. Real Racing 2 and 3 and even some other more less graphic intense once. Pretty disappointed that they are noticeably not as smooth including tiny pauses. Honestly maybe no better then the captivate and daughters Lg Thrill. All super smooth on the iphone. And ideas would be greatly apprieciated. I really want to love this S3 but already just living with it. It has the latest update of 4.1.1. Thanks
tw557 said:
I just picked up a used S3. My contract is up in Sept and wanted to see if I like the android better the then iphone. I have been generally happy with the Iphone once I jailbroke except the really for vibration mode and missing calls and messages. Also missed the openess to get into files and move stuff around like pictures music and videos. I had a galaxy Captivate 2 years ago that was rooted and was pretty happy to get the iphone because everything just worked smoother and less little issues. Now fast forward 2 years and I was pretty excited to get into the a S3 and see all the improvements. Gotta saw pretty disappointing. This phone feels way to close to the captivate of years ago. It is relatively smooth going thru screens and such with Nova launcher. Apps open fast and don't crash. But in most menu screens and certainly many internet screens, it is just not smooth scrolling to down right heavy choppy. And I enjoy a few games that have great graphics. Real Racing 2 and 3 and even some other more less graphic intense once. Pretty disappointed that they are noticeably not as smooth including tiny pauses. Honestly maybe no better then the captivate and daughters Lg Thrill. All super smooth on the iphone. And ideas would be greatly apprieciated. I really want to love this S3 but already just living with it. It has the latest update of 4.1.1. Thanks
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For your browser issue, try Dolphin Beta.
For games like Real Racing, it wasn't made for the S3, therefor, it can't achieve full gfx. A fix to the choopyness would be to look into custom ROMs (Either TW or AOSP based). If it's something that interest you, you have a lot of reading to do before jumping into it but once you understand how it works, it's fairly simple.
tw557 said:
I just picked up a used S3. My contract is up in Sept and wanted to see if I like the android better the then iphone. I have been generally happy with the Iphone once I jailbroke except the really for vibration mode and missing calls and messages. Also missed the openess to get into files and move stuff around like pictures music and videos. I had a galaxy Captivate 2 years ago that was rooted and was pretty happy to get the iphone because everything just worked smoother and less little issues. Now fast forward 2 years and I was pretty excited to get into the a S3 and see all the improvements. Gotta saw pretty disappointing. This phone feels way to close to the captivate of years ago. It is relatively smooth going thru screens and such with Nova launcher. Apps open fast and don't crash. But in most menu screens and certainly many internet screens, it is just not smooth scrolling to down right heavy choppy. And I enjoy a few games that have great graphics. Real Racing 2 and 3 and even some other more less graphic intense once. Pretty disappointed that they are noticeably not as smooth including tiny pauses. Honestly maybe no better then the captivate and daughters Lg Thrill. All super smooth on the iphone. And ideas would be greatly apprieciated. I really want to love this S3 but already just living with it. It has the latest update of 4.1.1. Thanks
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Some possible changes to make:
1. for browser, I use the AOSP browser because it is superior in speed and usability to any other browser I try
2. you could switch to another AOSP rom that will have less bloatware and no skin on top of it slowing it down (this will be slight change)
3. to fix laginess on certain points you can try flashing a different kernel with various tweaks that increase butteryness
4. root and overclock the minimum cpu frequency. While this won't help with graphics too much in games (thats GPU), it will help with laggy transitions. Be forewarned, this might decrease battery life depending on what you end up changing the minimum to
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Thanks for the quick reply. I did try different browers and did settle on the dolphin. It really seemed very little better then the stock browser but the stock browser has the RRS reader pop up in the bar if applicable and I like that feature like the iphone. Some of the choppy webpages are also somewhat choppy on an iphone too. just not as bad. I was hoping to not get into rooting and Roms and figured a stock S3 should be plenty good now. When you say that the games are now programmed for the S3. are they not programmed for the S3 or Android in general. Do these costom roms adjust the programming somehow. I assume not too much issue to do the root but not familiar in detail of the Rom procedures. Would downloading the S3 toolkit from here be a good starting point. Jailbreaking the Iphone was stupid easy.
tw557 said:
Thanks for the quick reply. I did try different browers and did settle on the dolphin. It really seemed very little better then the stock browser but the stock browser has the RRS reader pop up in the bar if applicable and I like that feature like the iphone. Some of the choppy webpages are also somewhat choppy on an iphone too. just not as bad. I was hoping to not get into rooting and Roms and figured a stock S3 should be plenty good now. When you say that the games are now programmed for the S3. are they not programmed for the S3 or Android in general. Do these costom roms adjust the programming somehow. I assume not too much issue to do the root but not familiar in detail of the Rom procedures. Would downloading the S3 toolkit from here be a good starting point. Jailbreaking the Iphone was stupid easy.
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It's really easy, just gotta read and understand what you're doing before going into it.
Getting a toolkit can be a start. Although, you can skip that and download pre-rooted stock ROM for your carrier.
Here's a good guide to start: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1822308 - I would download GooManager from the market and install TWRP recovery instead of installing CWM recovery like that guide suggests. It's quite simple, just hit a couple buttons
Once you're rooted and have a custom recovery, you can install a ROM from the Dev section (TW or AOSP).
Thanks for all the input and direction to the thread on rooting and Roms. I am very good and can understand directions for this stuff just gets a little overwhelming researching this and seemingless see so many different methods with small variations and then through the word Bricking in too. I love to customize and make stuff my own so i'm pretty sure I will give this a try. Thanks
I am ready to give the rooting a try. I expected a little less confusion then what I'm seeing. I ran across the Casual tool which looked interesting as compared to the download drivers then odin and unziping files and such. As I looked over the list of computer systems I don't see Vista business listed. Will this be a problem. Also does it make a difference if ICS or jellybean. Thanks again
tw557 said:
I am ready to give the rooting a try. I expected a little less confusion then what I'm seeing. I ran across the Casual tool which looked interesting as compared to the download drivers then odin and unziping files and such. As I looked over the list of computer systems I don't see Vista business listed. Will this be a problem. Also does it make a difference if ICS or jellybean. Thanks again
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sorry to hear that you are on vista but it should do the job, my windows 8 even works fine. it doesn't matter which rooted stock rom you flash, but I would recommend flashing Jelly Bean rather than ICS just because well its newer
oh and for first custom rom, I would recommend, Carbon Rom nightlies, they are stable and smooth and have a lot of customization http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2136846
The phone stutters often and it is frustrating! I just switched from the Galaxy Note II to the Galaxy S 4 and simple task like switching between home screens and application screens stutter. Third party applications run perfectly smooth. Face unlock has massive stuttering and I used it on my past devices just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it is powering a 1080P display.
I've been looking around online and all I seen were complaints or people saying they do not experience it. People who have what are some fixes?
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The phone stutters often and it is frustrating! I just switched from the Galaxy Note II to the Galaxy S 4 and simple task like switching between home screens and application screens stutter. Third party applications run perfectly smooth. Face unlock has massive stuttering and I used it on my past devices just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it is powering a 1080P display.
I've been looking around online and all I seen were complaints or people saying they do not experience it. People who have what are some fixes?
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Have you tried checking your background apps? Maybe the processor is busy running something else very resource intensive?
newbieandroid said:
The phone stutters often and it is frustrating! I just switched from the Galaxy Note II to the Galaxy S 4 and simple task like switching between home screens and application screens stutter. Third party applications run perfectly smooth. Face unlock has massive stuttering and I used it on my past devices just fine. The only thing I can think of is that it is powering a 1080P display.
I've been looking around online and all I seen were complaints or people saying they do not experience it. People who have what are some fixes?
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Try different home launchers, disable s-voice home button, flash a custom rom. I dont use face unlock. Look some more, and post questions in the questions section.
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Flash cm10.1 and your problems are fixed.
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^^^ Don't flash cm10, it's buggy and you lose all the badass tw features. Mine runs butter smooth. Like others have said try flashing a custom tw rom like wicked
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elflip88 said:
^^^ Don't flash cm10, it's buggy and you lose all the badass tw features. Mine runs butter smooth. Like others have said try flashing a custom tw rom like wicked
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Guess it depends on whether you use any of that stuff. I don't use of it. I got the phone for the hardware and the screen.
Cm10.1 = absolutely lag free. Bar none. What bugs are you referring to? I'm solid over here.
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tikay00 said:
Guess it depends on whether you use any of that stuff. I don't use of it. I got the phone for the hardware and the screen.
Cm10.1 = absolutely lag free. Bar none. What bugs are you referring to? I'm solid over here.
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The simple fact that you downgrade from the tw camera to the aosp camera is enough for me. Plus the fact that when you record video the volume is way lower. There was also a call bug that sometimes you or the other person couldn't hear each other ( I'm not sure but I think it was fixed). Cm was great for me when I had the Motorola Triumph since the triumph sucked, but cm has always had issues on all my phones that I've owned. Honestly people say it's so much smoother but I don't see a difference from tw and cm.
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The simple fact that you downgrade from the tw camera to the aosp camera is enough for me. Plus the fact that when you record video the volume is way lower. There was also a call bug that sometimes you or the other person couldn't hear each other ( I'm not sure but I think it was fixed). Cm was great for me when I had the Motorola Triumph since the triumph sucked, but cm has always had issues on all my phones that I've owned. Honestly people say it's so much smoother but I don't see a difference from tw and cm.
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No bugs on my end. Could care less about the camera, and yes, the smoothness is apparent as soon as you flash cm. Anyone can tell you that. The only reason to go with TW is the features.
It just depends on personal preference.
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I flashed the 4.3 Google Edition ROM and it is butter smooth along with the face unlock. So maybe it is not the 1080p display. I also noticed ram usage dropped by a good 50%. The TW ROM uses around 900mb-1.1Gb probably due to the bloatware that was on it. A Google Edition phone for only $580 I am happy.
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It's apparently Touch Wiz that makes the phone laggy.I'm expecting Samsung to make this less of an issue with updates since it is a new phone but I didn't want to wait.
I flashed the Infamous rom since I am not willing to give up the Samsung camera features. Then I use Nova launcher within it and it runs much faster.
Horrible touchwiz is what causes the lag, flashed GE ROM. BUTTER SMOOTH, I don't use the Samsung gimmicky features and the only camera mode I use is HDR that's included in the GE ROM
Super smooth, super stable, great battery life, more ram, win!!!
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Just flashed wickedrom, and absolutely no lag. Get all the fewtures of tw without the lag.
Win win.
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Bro if you flash Omega v7 from the "i9505" forums and right after you flash omega, flash ktoonz kernel for the TMOBILE s4, the phone runs BUTTER i mean BUTTER smooth.
dannyyyyy said:
Bro if you flash Omega v7 from the "i9505" forums and right after you flash omega, flash ktoonz kernel for the TMOBILE s4, the phone runs BUTTER i mean BUTTER smooth.
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I did that earlier, but my WiFi wouldn't turn on. Someone explained how to switch radios through oden, but that's a pain.
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I installed the ktoonz kernel on my otherwise stock 4 and it is absolutely 100% smoother.
Stock S4 here with Nova Launcher, NO LAG, here my crappy video, LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY_gMBPMhw0
Beside the lag has the heat given any of you some trouble? I noticed the phone heats up quicker than any of my previous phones but it doesn't seem to cause any harm to performance.
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I've had 2 M919 Galaxy S4's so far.
First one I returned because it was so incredibly laggy, everyone said theirs was butter smooth (all of whom were in denial), I thought I had a defective device. I tried all the custom roms using the Tmobile base and also international 9505 roms. Still did not fix the microstutters. Second one was laggy as hell also out of the box so I knew it was just the device. The latest international 9505 roms seem to make the phone smoother, but there are microstutters still present which should NOT BE THE CASE with a phone that's this powerful, but the biggest offender for me still is web browsing.
Open up the stock browser or chrome and go to theverge.com website, call up the full site and browse around. Pinch and zoom, then pan around. Tell me how incredibly slow it is to use. It seems like I'm using my original Motorola Droid all over again.
I'm sure by the time the Galaxy S5 comes around, Samsung "might" finally come out with a smooth working firmware for the S4, in the meantime I say ditch this device and get the HTC One. That baby is liquid smooth in EVERY operation and rips the S4 a new butt hole when it comes to web browsing smoothness and speed. Hell it even still supports full Adobe Flash even with 4.2.2.
The One is also pushing a 1080P screen so it's not the pixel count that is slowing the S4 down. It's something else. I had initially blamed the S4 lagging because of 4.2.2, reason is on my Note 2 running 4.1.2 it had next to zero lag and it's also running a heavy TW skin. I thought the HTC One was so smooth because it was still on 4.1.2. Well after updating to 4.2.2 on the HTC One, it even GOT SMOOTHER and FASTER.
I have also ran the google edition ROM's on both my S4 and my HTC One, and guess what?? The HTC ONE ran the pure GE ROM smoother than the S4 still!
The GE ROM still has slight microstutter on the S4 which is mind boggling. I noticed it a few times when opening the dialer and gmail app, the animation has a bit of microstuter in the animation when opening up. Something is definitely up with the S4 hardware wise.
Dan37tz said:
I've had 2 M919 Galaxy S4's so far.
First one I returned because it was so incredibly laggy, everyone said theirs was butter smooth (all of whom were in denial), I thought I had a defective device. I tried all the custom roms using the Tmobile base and also international 9505 roms. Still did not fix the microstutters. Second one was laggy as hell also out of the box so I knew it was just the device. The latest international 9505 roms seem to make the phone smoother, but there are microstutters still present which should NOT BE THE CASE with a phone that's this powerful, but the biggest offender for me still is web browsing.
Open up the stock browser or chrome and go to theverge.com website, call up the full site and browse around. Pinch and zoom, then pan around. Tell me how incredibly slow it is to use. It seems like I'm using my original Motorola Droid all over again.
I'm sure by the time the Galaxy S5 comes around, Samsung "might" finally come out with a smooth working firmware for the S4, in the meantime I say ditch this device and get the HTC One. That baby is liquid smooth in EVERY operation and rips the S4 a new butt hole when it comes to web browsing smoothness and speed. Hell it even still supports full Adobe Flash even with 4.2.2.
The One is also pushing a 1080P screen so it's not the pixel count that is slowing the S4 down. It's something else. I had initially blamed the S4 lagging because of 4.2.2, reason is on my Note 2 running 4.1.2 it had next to zero lag and it's also running a heavy TW skin. I thought the HTC One was so smooth because it was still on 4.1.2. Well after updating to 4.2.2 on the HTC One, it even GOT SMOOTHER and FASTER.
I have also ran the google edition ROM's on both my S4 and my HTC One, and guess what?? The HTC ONE ran the pure GE ROM smoother than the S4 still!
The GE ROM still has slight microstutter on the S4 which is mind boggling. I noticed it a few times when opening the dialer and gmail app, the animation has a bit of microstuter in the animation when opening up. Something is definitely up with the S4 hardware wise.
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I just opened up 20+ apps and didn't get not one micro stutter, running GE ROM. Also Im not in denial cause I hated the TW micro stutter when opening apps. My browser is BUTTER smooth, it rarely gives white spots and its 1 to 1 with my finger. I love it.
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I preordered my at&t lg g3 about a month ago with extremely high hopes, and coming from a jailbroken iPhone 5. Compared to it the UI functionality, battery life, screen resolution, openness of android, subpar camera quality, and many other features made me absolutely swoon over how amazing it was compared to that iPhone garbage. I have one really big problem with it though. Straight out of the box when I revived my lg, I have noticed major ui and app lag. Even after a month, the lag has remained persistent, even after many pointless factory reset and screwing around online to try to find a fix for the lag. I did root this phone, but I know good as well that rooting it did not do anything too the device to affect performance. I just installed some xposed modules such as removing the d delay between taking screenshots, the g3 tweaksbox from the play store (which I highly recommend paying 1.50 for three full version, it's Amazing), and getting rid of ads. The funny thing is, I expected my g3 to perform on par with smartphones with identical specifications, (snapdragon 801, krait 400, 3gb ram, 32gb memory). My brother has a galaxy s5, and I've run many tests between my phone and his, like app performance in games, opening/closing apps, antutu benchmarks, overall ui performance, and his phone basically destroys all off those tests against my phone. WHY?? I do realise that yes, the qhd screen does require more raw performance compared to fhd (I think I read somewhere it was 15%?), but most apps aren't optimised for qhd and put themselves to fhd, so why would a game like fruit ninja run at like 20 fps at fhd on my g3, and 60 fps on the s5, which is also rooted with the same amount of modules? And it's not just arcade fruit ninja either, games like temple run 2 lag when you get to a higher score, apps like tinberman open faster on my jailbroke iPhone 5 then my g3, and sometimes simple arcade games like don't touch the spikes have an occasiaonal stutter when you hit a spike, or just playing in general. I have also seen youtube videos of the g3 vs the s5 with opening apps and app performance, and they perform THE SAME! Plus the Ui didn't lag on YouTube either, my Ui scrolling between app pages (that's the Ui I'm mostly talking about, sometimes I also get lag in the stock browser and messaging app, but that's a different story) dips far below 30 fps, I would be able to tell if it was on YouTube because of the frame rate cap. I'm just fed up with it. I truly do love it though, in my opinion in has the best take on 4.4 kitkat I've seen, and coming from ios I still consider this ROM clean. Now for you, the xda forum what do you think I should do about my problem? I do not want any other phone but the g3. Should I unroot and flash stock Rom back onto my device and take it to at&t? I got this phone through the at&t next plan, so I'm not sure how they deal with warranties. Maybe they would give me a new device if I showed them the problems with it? I am running kitkat 4.4.2 if that helps.
Do what I did where.
Install the leaked 10j, remove the stock launcher and use nova. Also I you want it to fly do the high temp pro and thermal daemon mitigation mod. Be happy.
Like tntgdh I also put nova launcher and there is a little trick I use sony z2 live wallpaper from wssabi and set it to 60FPS. Phone is extra smooth. Under transittion effect od home screen i choose none or you can say generic google.
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You should notice smaller app load times, faster boot ups, and better battery if you switch to ART. However, Xposed currently doesn't support it, so you would have to disable it until Android L came along.
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Although there are many people out there who swear switching to ART does very little in terms of performance, I think it helps ALOT. Once i switched to ART i noticed the little stutters and little lags go away. My phone feels buttery smooth now. I also use nova launcher which is my launcher of choice, and it also performs buttery. I am very satisfied with its performance. Some may say I am just experiencing a placebo effect, but I think not.
fullyflaredfred said:
Although there are many people out there who swear switching to ART does very little in terms of performance, I think it helps ALOT. Once i switched to ART i noticed the little stutters and little lags go away. My phone feels buttery smooth now. I also use nova launcher which is my launcher of choice, and it also performs buttery. I am very satisfied with its performance. Some may say I am just experiencing a placebo effect, but I think not.
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Oh yeah it makes a difference for me too. I Decided to try Xposed after I changed to arp, so it reverted to dalvik. What a difference! I instantly noticed. So I ditched Xposed for now until it had support for arp.
One major thing was to install the 10j.
If you want something that will help a lot.. Install the 10j and use arp... Then if you wanna go further install nova and do the thermal mods.
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Oh yeah it makes a difference for me too. I Decided to try Xposed after I changed to arp, so it reverted to dalvik. What a difference! I instantly noticed. So I ditched Xposed for now until it had support for arp.
One major thing was to install the 10j. The 60fps are making the difference.
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What is this 10j you speak of?
It's the latest leaked firmware. There is a topic here até the forum about the 10j firmware that has the mega link for it. Since I installed I have a beast in your hands.
Give it a try.
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It's the latest leaked firmware. There is a topic here até the forum about the 10j firmware that has the mega link for it. Since I installed I have a beast in your hands.
Give it a try.
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Can you link me this 10j
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Can you link me this 10j
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You could do some search, but here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54757978&postcount=851
I use Google launcher and use every performance mod but i dont have butter feeling.
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You could do some search, but here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54757978&postcount=851
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Are you able to use this for the AT&T version of the phone?
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Are you able to use this for the AT&T version of the phone?
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No. It's for the d855.
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No. It's for the d855.
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Okay, thanks! The OP mentioned they had the AT&T version, so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. I'd love to be able to flash firmware and get rid of the lag on this phone, but it seems as though I'm stuff. I've tried every fix mentioned so far in this forum, but nothing's worked.
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Okay, thanks! The OP mentioned they had the AT&T version, so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. I'd love to be able to flash firmware and get rid of the lag on this phone, but it seems as though I'm stuff. I've tried every fix mentioned so far in this forum, but nothing's worked.
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Yea same here. I wondered why it was mentioned being that the OP said he/she has an ATT G3.
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Even on a super fast device like this one, Touchwiz is still garbage in terms of fluidity and smoothness compared to Sense. 6
I just switched from HTC One M8, and it was smoother than Touchwiz in almost every respect. Sure, some scenarios are nearly indistinguishable on both devices in terms of smoothness, but some are really bad on Note 4.
For example, whenever something happens in the background that requires storage access, the Note starts to chug.
Do this test on your device. Start updating 5-10 apps in the Play Store, then go and scroll in some other app. You will see immediately that the scrolling becomes jerky and sometimes stops completely for half a second when a new app starts updating. Sense doesn't do that. If you've never played with Sense 6, I suggest you go to a store and check it out - it's completely smooth regardless of what happens in the background.
It's as if Sense can utilize only idle cpu cycles for background processes, so everything remains smooth and fluid at all times, while Note 4 appears to give full real time priority for certain routines of background processes. For a modern flagship devices, this is unacceptable.
I really hope we can get root very soon, so developers can possibly fix this travesty.
How do we get Samsung to care about this? I took their survey from the email I got. I focused on speed and performance. How else can we alert Samsung? That people who care about speed and performance should have a voice?
Touchwiz is sorta like windows vista lmao
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Touchwiz here refers to the entire Android "skin, " not just the launcher. You will have jerky performance of the kind I described in the op with Nova and any other launcher.
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
Rippley05 said:
Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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LOLOL he is just not getting what you're saying dude... give up on him... the rest of us understand exactly what you mean... cannot wait for root.... hopeful after reading the last few posts of this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/talk-root-t2908919/page18# we may be getting somewhere...
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
My N4 is very smooth. Especially compared to my G3. Only thing that lags is the recent apps button up, which is a bit disappointing as I use that all the time.
I agree with the issues with tw. Part of it has to do with the work on the Java threads which is why the choreographer process always drops frames which is the jitter. The kernels are also tuned differently and more for stability than anything else.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
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Actually. Where did I make it abundantly clear? May want to pay attention to what you read. Wasn't me.
Sense is boring to me. It's generic, doesn't offer a fraction of the software features and customization that samsung/LG offer. That's the tradeoff for being so smooth..and that's what I was talking about. Not the launcher.
I'm enjoying touch wiz. I don't see how u guys don't like it. If u don't like it then just don't buy a Samsung phone.
It's more of a fundamental issue with android in general. Here is an older article, but it explains the issue pretty well.
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/is-android-doomed-to-lag-more-than-ios/
Maybe lollipop will change how the UI is rendered , maybe not. But I don't think the lagginess is the sole product of touchwiz. Touchwiz does not modify the deep level coding that controls CPU access prority, ISR behavior, etc. Seems like Samsung is trying to do the best with what they got.
Here is some follow up on the guys original post where google developers comment.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04
While I'm not a software engineer, I am an electrical and computer engineer. I quit my full time job and went back to school at 30 because I was tired of not being educated enough to understand the things I had questions about.
It's funny.. the more I learned the more I realized how astonishingly difficult it was/is to build the technology we have today. The amount of engineering that goes into designing today's modern processors is incredible. Now that I am "in the know" with exactly how these things work, it's a lot easier for me to understand the milestones and why things are the way they are (heat dissapation in modern multicore CPUs is one of those things that is hard to solve and even harder to explain to the layman why it's hard to solve, a commanding grasp of quantum physics and modern microscale transistor design theory is needed) and I don't get bothered by it, I realize that it's being worked on and I can identify the subtle improvements and I recognize the significance of those improvements.
The point is, it's easy to "blame" samsung or Google for the stuttering you are experiencing, but it's better to recognize the progress that's being made. The problem is not trivial to solve and to think it is or that "it should have been fixed by now" is really naive.
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Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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This is really the thing that bothers me the most. Bringing up recent apps is SO SLOW. There is a huge delay when you press that button. It really makes that feature useless for the stuff I use most, because I can just hit the home button and the app shortcut faster than using recent apps.