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For those that left the SGS2 for the SGN....

Thoughts? Regrets? I'm on the fence, and I can't find any threads anywhere with someone is talking about making the switch.
I would love to see an XDA user that went from SGS2-SGN post thoughts and regrets. Woulda thought it would have happend already, am I missing it??

I am one such person. No regrets man. ICS is light years ahead. Nexus screen is not as bright as that of GS2 but more than makes up thanks to high Res and sheer size. I absolutely hated the visual treatment of TouchWiz though I loved the functionality. Here with Nexus I have my cake and can eat it too.
Everything is better and refined. USB connectivity is such that I can use my phone and at the same time manage memory on PC. HDMI out works brilliantly. Love the blue highlights on wifi and network notifications telling when they are active and not merely connected.
Do I miss something about GS2? Of course. The camera. The Facebook integration. The expandable memory. Not much else. I think Samsung were allowed to cut a corner in hardware specs but even then the trade off is OK. A white GS2 looks miles better though.
So no regrets, God has been kind to me so far!
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I'm using the 2 devices, mainly GN. SGS2 for me is slightly faster especially when there is a heavy usage with multitasking .. but i love my GN and planning to keep using it till they announce the next nexus next year

I owned a sgs2 for 6 months and sold it the day after i got my Nexus and don't regret it at all.
Nexus is the best phone i ever had!!
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went from SG2 to SG2 Skyrocket to Galaxy Nexus.
Havent looked back.

I also made the jump.
As for regrets? i wouldn't say i regret making the change, but the improvement wasn't as drastic as I envisioned.
My GS2 had CheckROM v4
My Galaxy Nexus is bone stock, unrooted.
Here are some of the features i miss from my SGS2:
1) Overall, GS2 was smoother. I get slight jitters when scrolling fast on the SGN. Also, running a non-hardware accelerated live wallpaper results in choppiness when swiping between home screens.
2) I miss the camera on my GS2. Although SGN is faster at taking photos, I can tell quality is sacrificed.
3) I miss certain features of TouchWiz from GS2.
a) The Dialer. Why AOSP ICS doesn't have a "smart dialer" is beyond me. (i.e. spell out names with the dial pad). I know there are market apps i can download, but i'm irked that I have to rely on 3rd party apps for such a basic feature.​b) The music player. TW Music player allowed me to play by folder. I'm aware that if I properly tagged my music I wouldn't require such a feature, but I couldn't be bothered with ID3 tagging. In my mind, it's just simpler to drop-in a folder and play it. In Canada, we also don't get the cloud syncing feature, so the stock ICS music player is virtually useless to me. Again, I have to rely on 3rd party apps.​c) I miss having the ability to create folders in the app tray. on ICS, i can create folders on the homescreen, but not in the app tray.​d) I miss the ability to add/remove homescreens. on ICS, we are stuck with 5, with no ability to add more or remove homescreens.​
4) LED notification light - I didn't noticed how much I'd miss having a notification light until I got the SGS2, so the addition of the notification LED on the SGN is nice, but it's flaky. Sometimes it blinks, sometimes it just stays lit, somtimes its white and sometimes its green. If the colours are supposed to mean anything, I haven't figured it out yet.
5) GS2 is lighter and thinner, but SGN is easier to hold
6) Screen - GS2 screen is lower res, but its brighter and colours are "deeper". With the higher res screen, it's still displaying the same amount of content, just smaller and finer. It's not like changing the desktop PC's resolution where you suddenly get more screen "real estate". I still get the same 4x4 home screen grid and same 4x5 app tray, but everything is just "smaller" and "finer". I'm assuming this is due to Android's ability to "scale" for different screen resolutions. Also, the SGN's auto-brightness really needs to be improved - It's way too dim.
7) The biggest thing I miss is the battery life of my SGS2. My SGN is barely able to squeeze out 12hrs before it shuts itself off. My GS2 was able to squeeze out 16+ hours with battery life to spare before I plugged it in at night. With that said, I remember when i first got my GS2, my battery life was poor as well. So as the SGN and ICS matures, I'm hoping I'll see better battery life, just like the SGS2.
If I had a choice to switch my SGS2 for SGN again, I would, simply because having a Nexus phone means unlimited possibilities and a guaranteed 1.5 year support cycle from Google. If you noticed, most of those drawbacks I pointed are software related, and not hardware. Software can be worked around or fixed, and ICS is still new. There will be many ICS updates to come...and after every update, ICS will get better and better.
In terms of hardware, I rate the SGS2 and SGN even. They both have their pros and cons, but in the end, they are pretty damn close.

I was using the TMO SGS2 Hercules, which is similar to the ATT SGS2 Skyrocket, for about 3 weeks prior to the GNex.
The SGS2, after rooting and removing the TMO bloatware and essentially keeping the same ROM, seemed a bit snappier than the GNex and has better contrast + brightness. The GNex is unlocked and a pure Google experience and I don't plan on rooting it. I like getting the updates directly from Google. Had the SGS2 been running ICS 4.0, I would have had to think twice before spending $700+ for the GNex. Where the only real advantage would have been the resolution on the GNex. Both are great h/w platforms. My wife and daughter are using the SGS2 and are happy with it.

There is some good solid info here guys, thanks. I'm still on the fence lol. Switching from the GS1 to the GS2 was a no brainer. But this is really close. I'm thinking that I would be happy either way. So basically do I want to experience ICS now or later. I also paid $750 for my SG2 (from handtec) so I'm sure I would lose a bundle selling it now. The plan was to buy and sell an iPhone 5 on release day to help pay for the SG2, but that never happened. (thanks Apple)
Anyway, good stuff, thanks guys.

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b) The music player. TW Music player allowed me to play by folder. I'm aware that if I properly tagged my music I wouldn't require such a feature, but I couldn't be bothered with ID3 tagging. In my mind, it's just simpler to drop-in a folder and play it. In Canada, we also don't get the cloud syncing feature, so the stock ICS music player is virtually useless to me. Again, I have to rely on 3rd party apps.​.
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i have a solutuin for it.
go google a tutorial on using google music outside of US.
im using it in the netherlands now. have almost 2000 music files synced/uploaded,and streaming them to my phone now,turgh 3G.
havent had the SG2 my self.
but did held it in my hand and know TW.
so i dont think allot of people that buy a Gn for the nexus purpose wil ever regret.
as for 4) get light flow. its your answer to it.
and about 7)
remember that you have a custom rom? on your SG2.how do you think the GN will preform with a low bat usage rom?

Looks like most of the gripes are TW related, and I'm an ADW junky, so no problem there...
I've also been a super longtime user of NoLed, but it would be nice to save battery and just use the built in led if it works...
For those selling off your GS2's, where are you selling them and how much are you getting? (roughly)

Ok, stupid question. Watching MobileTechReview's video on the phone, while she is on the home screen, there is only back, home, and multi-task buttons. How do you get to the settings from the home screen with no menu button?

It's at the top of the status bar when you drag it down. (3 little sliders icon)
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Ok, stupid question. Watching MobileTechReview's video on the phone, while she is on the home screen, there is only back, home, and multi-task buttons. How do you get to the settings from the home screen with no menu button?
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You can use a custom rom that integrates an extra settings menu at the bottom at all times. Or there is a settings shortcut built into the notification drop down. Its not right off the home screen but its just as easy IMO

i'll agree with everything except the #6 "low res" part
800x480 was defacto HD (high res) on all devices until the new 1024x720 came out with the GN
older devices with 3.5" screen were running low res
All the games in Android Market or Gameloft you see marked HD are for 800x480
on the SGS2 if you run those non HD games, you will see really blurry crappy pictures because they were made for low res older generation devices
I don't know what the game makers are going to start calling the new games made for 720, but it will definitely need to be something other than HD to no confuse the whits out of our noggins
probably BD (blueray resolution) or SHD (super HD), because HD is staying as is for the DVD resolution (800x480)
Eclypz said:
I also made the jump.
As for regrets? i wouldn't say i regret making the change, but the improvement wasn't as drastic as I envisioned.
My GS2 had CheckROM v4
My Galaxy Nexus is bone stock, unrooted.
Here are some of the features i miss from my SGS2:
1) Overall, GS2 was smoother. I get slight jitters when scrolling fast on the SGN. Also, running a non-hardware accelerated live wallpaper results in choppiness when swiping between home screens.
2) I miss the camera on my GS2. Although SGN is faster at taking photos, I can tell quality is sacrificed.
3) I miss certain features of TouchWiz from GS2.
a) The Dialer. Why AOSP ICS doesn't have a "smart dialer" is beyond me. (i.e. spell out names with the dial pad). I know there are market apps i can download, but i'm irked that I have to rely on 3rd party apps for such a basic feature.​b) The music player. TW Music player allowed me to play by folder. I'm aware that if I properly tagged my music I wouldn't require such a feature, but I couldn't be bothered with ID3 tagging. In my mind, it's just simpler to drop-in a folder and play it. In Canada, we also don't get the cloud syncing feature, so the stock ICS music player is virtually useless to me. Again, I have to rely on 3rd party apps.​c) I miss having the ability to create folders in the app tray. on ICS, i can create folders on the homescreen, but not in the app tray.​d) I miss the ability to add/remove homescreens. on ICS, we are stuck with 5, with no ability to add more or remove homescreens.​
4) LED notification light - I didn't noticed how much I'd miss having a notification light until I got the SGS2, so the addition of the notification LED on the SGN is nice, but it's flaky. Sometimes it blinks, sometimes it just stays lit, somtimes its white and sometimes its green. If the colours are supposed to mean anything, I haven't figured it out yet.
5) GS2 is lighter and thinner, but SGN is easier to hold
6) Screen - GS2 screen is lower res, but its brighter and colours are "deeper". With the higher res screen, it's still displaying the same amount of content, just smaller and finer. It's not like changing the desktop PC's resolution where you suddenly get more screen "real estate". I still get the same 4x4 home screen grid and same 4x5 app tray, but everything is just "smaller" and "finer". I'm assuming this is due to Android's ability to "scale" for different screen resolutions. Also, the SGN's auto-brightness really needs to be improved - It's way too dim.
7) The biggest thing I miss is the battery life of my SGS2. My SGN is barely able to squeeze out 12hrs before it shuts itself off. My GS2 was able to squeeze out 16+ hours with battery life to spare before I plugged it in at night. With that said, I remember when i first got my GS2, my battery life was poor as well. So as the SGN and ICS matures, I'm hoping I'll see better battery life, just like the SGS2.
If I had a choice to switch my SGS2 for SGN again, I would, simply because having a Nexus phone means unlimited possibilities and a guaranteed 1.5 year support cycle from Google. If you noticed, most of those drawbacks I pointed are software related, and not hardware. Software can be worked around or fixed, and ICS is still new. There will be many ICS updates to come...and after every update, ICS will get better and better.
In terms of hardware, I rate the SGS2 and SGN even. They both have their pros and cons, but in the end, they are pretty damn close.
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AllGamer said:
i'll agree with everything except the #6 "low res" part
the new 1024x720 came out with the GN
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The GN is 720p, which is 1280x720.
Kidding aside, you bring a good point.

SGS2 vs SGN
I am still on the fence! I have both right now and the one issue I can point out is the form factor. Why they curved the SGN is beyond me, it adds ALOT to the bottom of the phone. Almost makes it seem huge. SGN might be going back! I think you need to spend some time with it before dropping 7 beans. SGS2 will hopefully be getting a leaked ICS soon. Keep that in mind as well.

LarryLars said:
I am still on the fence! I have both right now and the one issue I can point out is the form factor. Why they curved the SGN is beyond me, it adds ALOT to the bottom of the phone. Almost makes it seem huge. SGN might be going back! I think you need to spend some time with it before dropping 7 beans. SGS2 will hopefully be getting a leaked ICS soon. Keep that in mind as well.
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Welcome to the worst battery phone. But I need the ICS. This is my only reason to sell my gs ii.
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I had the EU SGS2 and the ATT SGS2. The nexus is amazing the only thing that would make the nexus perfect (for me) is if i were able to get the samsung stock keyboard or the motorola stock keyboard. the ICS one just isnt doing it for me.
edit: if anyone knows how to get these keyboards into a nexus please let me know it would greatly appreciated

Jesseownzzz said:
I had the EU SGS2 and the ATT SGS2. The nexus is amazing the only thing that would make the nexus perfect (for me) is if i were able to get the samsung stock keyboard or the motorola stock keyboard. the ICS one just isnt doing it for me.
edit: if anyone knows how to get these keyboards into a nexus please let me know it would greatly appreciated
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Have you tried anything from the market? I'm a big fan of SwiftKey X myself...
I'm leaning more towards getting the GN... not excited about giving up my $10 unlimited data plan.. but its inevitable anyway. My GF and I both have SGS2's with that plan.

BoostedSR20 said:
Have you tried anything from the market? I'm a big fan of SwiftKey X myself...
I'm leaning more towards getting the GN... not excited about giving up my $10 unlimited data plan.. but its inevitable anyway. My GF and I both have SGS2's with that plan.
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I'm not really a fan of the market keyboards. I dislike most android keyboard (except froyo,Samsung, and Motorola).
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S3 to iphone 5 back to S3

Hello everyone, I'm just posting about my experience with the iphone 5. I bought a white one on the release date and put my trusty S3 in a drawer for a back up. We'll I didn't even last three days before I ran back to At&t and got my S3 reactivated. The iphone is nice and all that but it's too simple for my taste, I need to be able to do what I want when I want and I felt severely handicapped with the iphone 5. Not saying it's a bad phone but it's definitely not for me. Anyone else had a similar experience?
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Not too many Android users are willing to sink that kind of coin for a phone to simply try it out. Especially in this forum since we have the latest Samsung phone. Good to see you come back. I personally could never go back to Apple. Just sucks because I own a Apple TV and MacBook Pro. Apples ecosystem is great. Wish Google got with the times when it comes to cross platform support. More specifically I miss air play, ability to control all my home media with my phone etc.
And I know dlna/all cast is available but Google needs to implement something in their next OS that smokes Apples.
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I've done both android and iphone in the past. I got my wife the iPhone 5 and I do like it. I had the 4 and while it's not a huge leap in design and features the improvements are nice and it is a very smooth experience.
And for some reason it's wicked fast on the net. I like my sgs3 but don't see a fault with the iPhone 5. Phones are phones and each one brings something unique to a user
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I'm in the same boat as far as the Apple tv and macbook so I can understand where you're coming from. I might just keep it as a backup phone in case something happens to my S3...
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Not surprised that you came back to the S3
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still using the iphone 5. loving the stellar battery life.
might have to put up the s3 on ebay soon

expertzero1 said:
still using the iphone 5. loving the stellar battery life.
might have to put up the s3 on ebay soon
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Can you print to a mobile BT printer from it?

expertzero1 said:
still using the iphone 5. loving the stellar battery life.
might have to put up the s3 on ebay soon
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My wife is looking at the iPhone 5, she's worried about battery life though(she works about 10 hours a day with no way to charge her phone).
How has your battery life been so far?
Thanks

only thing i miss about iphone life is the all the accessories.
car integration, sound docs, .....
but, all that goes out the window with the new lighting adapter.

Android gv you more freedom
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At least we know 5 millions new iphone 5 users disagree with you in this week alone
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don't know how anyone can argue that the iphone is not a good phone.
i like the S3 for the flexibility and total control over the phone that it allows.

I've been reading nothing but bad reviews from customers about the battery life of iphone 5. Yeah, all these main sites are comparing the battery life with the RAZOR MAXX but then in the comments section people are always complaining saying the claims aren't true.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/20/iphone-5-battery-life-reviews/
I'm guessing the people having the short battery life are running the phone a lot with LTE.

TBayTom said:
I've been reading nothing but bad reviews from customers about the battery life of iphone 5. Yeah, all these main sites are comparing the battery life with the RAZOR MAXX but then in the comments section people are always complaining saying the claims aren't true.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/20/iphone-5-battery-life-reviews/
I'm guessing the people having the short battery life are running the phone a lot with LTE.
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User error
I have an ATT gs3 and also the iphone 5 im testing out. The iphone 5 has amazing battery life. Was able to get 14 hours of standby and 9 hours 30 min of usage out of it yesterday with 21% remaining for the day. And its suppose to be the same battery life as the chip is the same one powering both.

yidan82 said:
Hello everyone, I'm just posting about my experience with the iphone 5. I bought a white one on the release date and put my trusty S3 in a drawer for a back up. We'll I didn't even last three days before I ran back to At&t and got my S3 reactivated. The iphone is nice and all that but it's too simple for my taste, I need to be able to do what I want when I want and I felt severely handicapped with the iphone 5. Not saying it's a bad phone but it's definitely not for me. Anyone else had a similar experience?
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Yes, sort of.
I switched to the GS3 from a 4S about three months ago. Took a bit of adjusting to say the least. I held on to the 4S for almost a month before I sold it, thinking it was enough to wean off of iOS. I now definitely prefer the S3 for general device usage, but I miss the many apps I'd purchased on the Apple app store for the past three years, so I started looking for deals on used 4S. On iPhone 5 launch day I bought a like new 4S from a guy who just upgraded to the 5, for half of what I sold my 4S for couple months back lol. Now I can switch between them as I please.
Other than some of the apps I'm missing, it's kind of hard to go back. I think Apple is too far in the simplicity end of the scale. Just an example, iPhone gives you ZERO ability to change anything on the camera, not even change to a lower resolution. S3, never mind that I can adjust things like metering method and ISO sensitivity, I can put those control shortcuts right on the screen.

yidan82 said:
Hello everyone, I'm just posting about my experience with the iphone 5. I bought a white one on the release date and put my trusty S3 in a drawer for a back up. We'll I didn't even last three days before I ran back to At&t and got my S3 reactivated. The iphone is nice and all that but it's too simple for my taste, I need to be able to do what I want when I want and I felt severely handicapped with the iphone 5. Not saying it's a bad phone but it's definitely not for me. Anyone else had a similar experience?
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Do you have an absolutely ridiculous amount of spare money or something?
You could have just given me $700 and I'd have told you the iPhone is poop.

The battery life is far from stellar and it still doesn't have widgets among other things I'm just not impressed with it.the new maps suck I had to create a new account for the App Store just to download YouTube and it forces you to add your credit card info before you can even download free apps ill never get of my s3 for the i5 it's just less of a phone IMHO
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aimetti said:
User error
I have an ATT gs3 and also the iphone 5 im testing out. The iphone 5 has amazing battery life. Was able to get 14 hours of standby and 9 hours 30 min of usage out of it yesterday with 21% remaining for the day. And its suppose to be the same battery life as the chip is the same one powering both.
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Sweet good to know, my gf is getting one once her contract is up. Galaxy S3 does a great job with battery life when you consider the much larger/brighter screen as well as the widgets and number of processes it has running compared to the iphone 5. I couldn't leave to switch to the iphone 5, way too many features lost and I'm spoiled with the bigger screen. iPhone 5 is marketed towards simplicity for the older generation transitioning to smart phones and people who don't like to mess around with their phone too much. Multitasking is absolutely terrible with the iphone, but the ios6 Siri is pretty cool I must say. Great improvement there.

I have both s3 and ip5. Been switching between them depending where I go because I don't have a case yet for the ip5 so I have been carefull with it. Both are great phones. My biggest complaint is you can't change the black background menus and white text on the s3. I almost throw my s3 at the pavement everytime I get a call outside in the daylight. I have to cover the screen with both hands just to see who is callng! With the ip5 I can see it easily even with sunglasses because it has white backgrounds and black text. Everyone talks about how customizable android phones are but this simple change to invert the color scheme is near impossible to do. Im just going to keep the s3 around to play with but the ip5 is going to be my daily driver.

skew said:
I have both s3 and ip5. Been switching between them depending where I go because I don't have a case yet for the ip5 so I have been carefull with it. Both are great phones. My biggest complaint is you can't change the black background menus and white text on the s3. I almost throw my s3 at the pavement everytime I get a call outside in the daylight. I have to cover the screen with both hands just to see who is callng! With the ip5 I can see it easily even with sunglasses because it has white backgrounds and black text. Everyone talks about how customizable android phones are but this simple change to invert the color scheme is near impossible to do. Im just going to keep the s3 around to play with but the ip5 is going to be my daily driver.
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Yeah, it's a little hard to read. If you have auto brightness enabled, it should make it a lot easier to read. As for white backgrounds, there's got to be a white theme out there you can apply to your GS3 to make it easier to read.

Impressions of the Optimus G (I switched from the Galaxy S3)

Okay, I've had the Optimus G (OG) for about a week now, and I can honestly say I enjoy it more than the GS3 I owned for a few months. I've lurked XDA a lot but figured I'd post this impressions thread in hopes of helping others out who are on the fence. I know I was definitely deciding between these 2 phones, and these kinds of posts really helped me.
Hardware and build quality are A LOT better. I've already had a few comments from strangers when they see me playing with my phone (case-less for now, eek).. asking "hey what phone is that?" or "that looks sleek"
It feels more premium in your hand and the sleek black with a touch of chrome makes it look a lot better than the cheap plastic of the GS3 in my opinion. The front/bezel is purely black (and by this, I mean when the screen's off, the entire front is pure black) and for whatever reason, it just looks sexy with the rest of the black phone. Also, it feels better in your hand... like you're holding something of quality.
Software-wise, I'll be honest I didn't go default with either phone. I love Nova Prime launcher for the gestures. (I set up double tap screen for opening camera, swipe down to bring up navigation is clutch when driving, amongst other gestures). I can say though, I've used the quickmemo A LOT more than I thought I would. It's nice to just pull it up to scribble down a quick note... I mean that's the only kind of notes that I take on my cell phone anyway. Then, you can store it in your picture gallery or your notepad app. I haven't used Qslide at all... especially because it doesn't work on YouTube and I don't watch movies on my cell phone.
Speaking of software, you will definitely notice how faster, quicker, and instant everything is on the OG. It's a snappy phone. I never thought the GS3 had lag, but after using the OG, you definitely notice it. I've tried to slow/lag it down... opening up navigation, youtube videos, browser, texting, etc at once and everything is just fluid. VERY impressed with the quad core snap dragon.
The screen is noticeably more vibrant. I'm never too picky on screens though.
I really don't have any gripes on the phone itself. My only concern is the lack of exposure it has. Not many cases or accessories if you're into that and not really that much buzz... considering everything this phone has inside.
Having said that, it kind of makes me feel like I have something special in my hands with this phone. It makes it more unique and luxurious... if that makes sense.
As long as it gets software support, I am extremely happy with my decision so far. The GS3 is popular, will have great product support, and lots of people have it... so it has that sense of community (as Apple does). But all of that stuff really doesn't mean much to me in owning a phone besides the product support.

After having this device for a couple of days i thought it was time to post my thoughts on it.
First off... build quality is amazing. Finally feels like I'm holding an expensive device. Was able to get a case for it at best buy the day i bought it. Put a zagg hd screen protector on it so my phone is protected. Sound quality is pretty good and the camera isn't bad once you change some settings.
Software is great too. Love the little things they did and love the layout. I too installed Nova Launcher after playing around with the stock one for a day. This phone is fast and cant wait for some aosp rom to come out or even better cyanogen mod (crossing fingers).
Gaming is amazing too. The Amazing Spiderman game from Gameloft runs with no lag whatsoever. 2Gbs of ram really help out and should be a standard on phones.
The screen is just awesome.
Battery life varies depending on what you are doing or what you use a phone for which is true for any device. I can easily go a full day and still have 50% percent left by turning off sync and data connection and only turning them on when i need to use them. When i play games the battery goes down fast too but im playing graphic intense games and usually am close to a charger when i do.
Playing movies looks awesome and the dolby mobile enhances the sound even more when headphones are used.
Overall this is my six android phone in three years and by far the best I've owned or touch (my wife has a galaxy s3 which i told her to get since she uses her phone as her primary camera). Def recommend it.
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What kind of settings did you change with the camera? I don't think it's all that bad, but am open to suggestions.
I have the default and the Camera Zoom FX app
Also, how do you take screenshots?

Take screenshots by using quickmemo. Just dont draw anything and hit the save icon. I'm not for sure what all i changed since i reset it to default. Just play around a bit you can reset camera to defaults in the camera settings
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I'm currently on the S3 and I've seen an RF sheet that shows the Optimus G has overall, the best signal strength out of any other device on Sprint. The issue is whether or not I can put up with the lack of development support. I know it's new and all but there's not much action as of yet. On the GS3, we had people upload ROMs before the phone was out!
Also - I just purchased a 32GB sd card that would be useless on the LG so I'm kind of at a stalemate. I'm just torn pretty much. I like the LG Optimus G's performance and UI (Samsung's stock UI is disgusting on Jellybean). Also the quad core would be nice. But I'm kind of a signal freak. I'm a big fan of s4gru and I literally drive to local towers on a week basis to check network vision progress lol. Biggest reason behind wanting an LG is the signal strength. In bestbuy, my phone had varied from -89-99dBm on EvDo while the LG Optimus held a steady -83-88dBm. This means the LG is more secure with holding onto a signal than the GS3 is and that is fact, according the to RF sheets provided by FCC documentation.
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I think if your on the fence about the microSD card. Consider this.
On my previous phone, I had a 64gb microsd card, which housed a large amount of my data-videos, ebooks, music, etc.
However, when I switched to this phone, and was transferring my data, I slowly realized that a lot of that data was useless. They were either books I previously read, songs that I didn't really listen to, so I then got a premium account on spotify, and videos that I should really just delete after I download.
All in all, I was capable of using only 10GB of my 32gb. And, I feel like I haven't missed a beat with storage. And this includes having a PSX emulator, Chrono trigger, and chaos rings on the device.
Also, the response time of apps opening is much faster when stored on main disk.
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Plus you have 50 gigs of air cloud too
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I came from GS3. So I also had 50gb Dropbox. And now with the OG I also have 50gb from box.Net
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T'was a holiday. Chill on the "lack of development".

MikeEx said:
T'was a holiday. Chill on the "lack of development".
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Also, it hasn't been that long till devs actually had source access+recovery. Can't develop and test very well without those. Or backup stuff...

MikeEx said:
T'was a holiday. Chill on the "lack of development".
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I've decided to stick it out with galaxy s3 mostly due to expandable battery and SD card slot. Still very tempting though lg!
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So far very impressed coming from 3d, still no root, navigation of screens is a little difficult, but sure when root and dev kicks in this will not be problem.
Big plus for me is battery and most importantly signal. Tried HTC LTE on launch and signal worse on 3d, this is by far the best signal I have had on Sprints crappy. Network in Arizona. Speed and performance amazing, though awesome on 3d with custom kernel and tweaks with antutu at 8000ish, higher now of course with no tweaks.
Want to wait for quad core HTC or maybe Samsung, but need change and BestBuy price last few days $100 decided to try. Thinking will be keeping, next week will determine.
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I'm liking mine very much so far. What do you mean "No Root yet", I've ben rooted for 4 or 5 days now atleast. Anyways it's a shame I have to keep his sexy sleek thing in a case just to keep me from going crazy thinking somethng will happen. I just hope they are willing to develop the software that'll push the 13mp lens to its fullest potential, far better than my Evo3D was but I see room for improvement still. Fast fast fast...just the way I like em, even without tweaks this thing is fast enough for me. Just with root alone I'm happy running my apps like WifiTether, don't need it any faster so I probaby won't run anything custom yet when it comes out. Overall very happy, was wanting an HTC quad core but not willing t wait till next spring so here I am with an LG-OG in my hands

[Q] General questions regarding the 2014 Galaxy Note 10.1 model

Hello,
Hope all is well with everyone!
I was wondering if anyone could provide some insight on the new 2014 Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. I am very interested in purchasing it, but I keep reading that there is an extremely large amount of lag associated with the device's performance, and that games do not run very well on it at all. Can anyone confirm if this is true or not? I am sure there have been updates made to the firmware since these reviews were written so I was just hoping to get a current users take on it. The device is quite expensive and I definitely would want a top performer for the money.
Thanks so much for your help!

I honestly dont mean this in a mean way but flick through these XDA pages in "General" and "Q&A" threads and you will get an avalanche of answers. Trust me going through those thrrads is miles better than giving you a reply with a few words esp considering its an expensive device.
But if you do want a simple answer then all I can say is I have played a few high graphic games and they ran smoothly and the tablet itself is pretty rapid. I am on stock so know it can be faster if I root but honestly more than happy with the performance of this thing.
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The multiwindow is amazing. Some may call it a gimmick but it is really cool.
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This tablet is awesome ...I'm rooted and running different launchers and removed all the bloat ...Very fast and beautiful screen!......Don't hesitate!
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Hello,
Thanks to all for your replies! Has everyone rooted the device? I am a little hesitant to do that because if something should go wrong, they can indeed refuse to warranty your device. I would definitely be getting rid of touchwiz tho - its really bad. Even my Galaxy S4 lagged terribly with it and when I went to Nova Launcher, problem solved! I just know ill def be playing some graphic intensive games on it too so was wondering if the good game performance was also achieved without rooting the device
Thanks again all for your help and suggestions - it is most appreciated!

I'm just going to say that if you're coming from another high end device, you're going to feel some lag. I just got the tablet and at least for me, I feel robbed. I just paid $500 for laggy software and I've had 3 random crashes in 2 days of use.
Other than those issues, the SPen features are amazing and saying that the display is pretty is an understatement. It's really an amazing display.
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abdielol said:
I'm just going to say that if you're coming from another high end device, you're going to feel some lag. I just got the tablet and at least for me, I feel robbed. I just paid $500 for laggy software and I've had 3 random crashes in 2 days of use.
Other than those issues, the SPen features are amazing and saying that the display is pretty is an understatement. It's really an amazing display.
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Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying. While changing the launcher to NOVA does take care of most of the scrolling lag (fixed the same problem on my S4 like this), it still doesn't address the lag and issues of games. I don't want to have to root the device and risk voiding my warranty to get the performance I should be able to expect out of the box for a $500+ device. As far as the SPen, it doesn't really matter to me either way.
If you just bought it and it's still doing the same things as people have been reporting for months, that means Samsung hasn't put much effort into fixing it and probably don't have many plans to do so either if it's been this long with no resolution
Thanks very much for your input!!!!!!

xgreenlanternox said:
Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying. While changing the launcher to NOVA does take care of most of the scrolling lag (fixed the same problem on my S4 like this), it still doesn't address the lag and issues of games. I don't want to have to root the device and risk voiding my warranty to get the performance I should be able to expect out of the box for a $500+ device. As far as the SPen, it doesn't really matter to me either way.
If you just bought it and it's still doing the same things as people have been reporting for months, that means Samsung hasn't put much effort into fixing it and probably don't have many plans to do so either if it's been this long with no resolution
Thanks very much for your input!!!!!!
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I got my SM-P600 32gb about a month ago and mine has never crashed, my experience with the tablet has been good but I'm not a power user, I don't have numerous home screens full of widgets, I don't have every option turned on like zoom tilt, smart stay, smart pause, smart scroll or any of the hand motion features.
I would say that this video from "TheDigitalDigest" is a fair representation of my experience, at the 9:30 mark it demonstrates the lag that some are complaining about. Both video's are worth watching.
This video also shows some lag at the 18:10 mark.

abdielol said:
I'm just going to say that if you're coming from another high end device, you're going to feel some lag. I just got the tablet and at least for me, I feel robbed. I just paid $500 for laggy software and I've had 3 random crashes in 2 days of use.
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Compared to high-end S-800 phones with 5"ish displays, yes, the N10.1-14's transitions occasionally aren't as smooth. Compared to other high-end Android tablets, what in your view is faster? Multi View and S Pen have a ton of open processes constantly running in the background anticipating their use. So if you want "fast" strip out all the N10.1-14's features and run AOSP/AOKP on it. Personally, the sole reason I bought the N10.1-14 was because of its productivity features and what I can do with it that you can't do on any other tablet so if I have to put up with some transition lag so be it. As for "crashes" I've got 144 apps, 9 full time syncs, and 21 widgets running and have never experienced a crash, FC, or any other type of OS anomaly since October. I take that back. Initially I was using the Trip Advisor wallpaper on the lock screen and it would cause TW to reboot every other day. Once I stopped using it everything was fine.
xgreenlanternox said:
Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying.
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95% of the time, and 100% of the time within a single app, there's no lag. When a bunch of stuff is going in the background you'll occasionally get a millisecond long stutter in a transition or app opening/closing. You'll also get the occasional "spinning wheel" when doing something resource intensive like capturing a full screen of content from a third party app via Air Command and moving it to Scrap Booker. I'm not even on the latest ROM (I'm on MJ4) because I have a 3G N10.1-14 and people in the U.S. have said MJ9 improved fluidity more than what I'm experiencing. There are aspects of the UI that are "odd" because a phone UI on a 10" display is a bit bizarre having nothing to do with specific h/w or s/w. But, again, I've had no OS, UI, or app issues since October so the s/w is definitely not "buggy." And I have additional radios, antennas, and s/w being 3G that add even more burden to the s/w and h/w.
Here's a vid of my N10.1-14 moving through home screens. My N3 on an official KitKat build that's running the same 144 apps is next to it for comparison. At the end I pinch zoom to display all the home pages. That is without question the worst lag you'll ever see on the N10.1-14. And it's 10 times worse than the millisecond long stutter you'll occasionally see in transitions.
If people are experiencing worse than that or constant lag I'd suggest they look at the apps they have installed, their configuration/settings, and what apps/processes they have removed/frozen/turned off. The latter is especially significant because as nested and inter-dependent as all Samsung's add-on s/w has become it's easy to disable something another app's dependent on and not know it. For example, disabling My Magazine on a device causes huge battery drain on the Galaxy Gear and issues with Gear Manager even though there's no logical reason one should be affected by the other. I'm running bone stock, have every gimmick Samsung's s/w provides turned on, am using an earlier less fluid ROM than some, and have an enormous amount of apps, syncs, and widgets running. I'm a prime candidate for "lag" and don't experience any 95% of the time. So if someone's experiencing worse than I am I'd suggest they examine what they've done to their device.
P.S. - Being 3G, my N10.1-14 is always connected to the Internet so whenever I turn it on it's always sync'd. Since most here have Wi-Fi versions here's something I've noticed. When I turn my N10.1-14 on for the first time, like after getting off a plane, and it connects to the Internet for the first time it can be painfully slow (and laggy) for as long as 15 minutes while every app and process that needs Internet access updates itself. I'd guess the same thing would happen with a Wi-Fi N10.1-14 even if it was left on but re-connected to the Internet after being offline. So there's "lag" and "situational lag." Both my N3 and N10.1-14 are the slowest devices I've ever owned when it comes to being fully usable after a reboot or going online after being offline.

kkretch said:
I got my SM-P600 32gb about a month ago and mine has never crashed, my experience with the tablet has been good but I'm not a power user, I don't have numerous home screens full of widgets, I don't have every option turned on like zoom tilt, smart stay, smart pause, smart scroll or any of the hand motion features.
I would say that this video from "TheDigitalDigest" is a fair representation of my experience, at the 9:30 mark it demonstrates the lag that some are complaining about. Both video's are worth watching.
This video also shows some lag at the 18:10 mark.
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I don't have any widgets , not even the stock Samsung ones. I also don't have much apps, nor any of the cumbersome SView or Motion controls on. I thought rooting and installing CleanRom would help and it really did, to some extent, but there is still some noticeable lag which, in my opinion, is unacceptable. As for the crashes, I don't know if I got a faulty unit since this is just day 3 of owning it. Maybe I'll return it and get another one, it may help with my lag too.
BarryH_GEG said:
Compared to high-end S-800 phones with 5"ish displays, yes, the N10.1-14's transitions occasionally aren't as smooth. Compared to other high-end Android tablets, what in your view is faster? Multi View and S Pen have a ton of open processes constantly running in the background anticipating their use. So if you want "fast" strip out all the N10.1-14's features and run AOSP/AOKP on it. Personally, the sole reason I bought the N10.1-14 was because of its productivity features and what I can do with it that you can't do on any other tablet so if I have to put up with some transition lag so be it. As for "crashes" I've got 144 apps, 9 full time syncs, and 21 widgets running and have never experienced a crash, FC, or any other type of OS anomaly since October. I take that back. Initially I was using the Trip Advisor wallpaper on the lock screen and it would cause TW to reboot every other day. Once I stopped using it everything was fine.
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On my sister's Nexus 10, for example, I notice Much smoother transitions and I've never had it crash. I hate how even with empty home screens, there is noticeable slowness (sometimes) while changing home screens or opening the app drawer. I'm still skeptical about the crashes though, since I'm the only one getting them (it seems), so maybe it's just mine. I'll return it and get another one, so I can report back and see if these issues are somewhat fixed. Still, I feel bad that I spend so much on this and it feels slow compared to a more than a year old Nexus 10 with a much slower processor. I already removed all of the bloat, except the SPen stuff, because that was my main point for getting this tablet.

BarryH_GEG said:
If people are experiencing worse than that or constant lag I'd suggest they look at the apps they have installed, their configuration/settings, and what apps/processes they have removed/frozen/turned off.
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I totally agree.
Complainers seldom admit that they made mods to the device or that they have 10 screens with 50 widgets all running at the same time, they don't admit that they installed pirated software that may or may not contain viruses or that they installed an APK that was ported from an Asus tablet because they like the way the widget looks on another brand device.
To those people it's always the device and never the user.
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abdielol said:
On my sister's Nexus 10, for example, I notice Much smoother transitions and I've never had it crash.
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There's a ton of discussion about N10's lagging. Friends have them and I've used them and the more crap that's installed on them the more they too suffer from transition stutter. The more crap that's going on in the background the greater chance there is that there's going to be some type of drag or delay in the interface. And it's not about performance because the stuff we're talking about that lags is probably using a single-core of the CPU and a small chunk of RAM. And on a Nexus device you can't even blame it on TW.
While you and Sis may not have experienced lag on the N10 others have...

abdielol said:
I don't have any widgets , not even the stock Samsung ones. I also don't have much apps, nor any of the cumbersome SView or Motion controls on. I thought rooting and installing CleanRom would help and it really did, to some extent, but there is still some noticeable lag which, in my opinion, is unacceptable. As for the crashes, I don't know if I got a faulty unit since this is just day 3 of owning it. Maybe I'll return it and get another one, it may help with my lag too.
On my sister's Nexus 10, for example, I notice Much smoother transitions and I've never had it crash. I hate how even with empty home screens, there is noticeable slowness (sometimes) while changing home screens or opening the app drawer. I'm still skeptical about the crashes though, since I'm the only one getting them (it seems), so maybe it's just mine. I'll return it and get another one, so I can report back and see if these issues are somewhat fixed. Still, I feel bad that I spend so much on this and it feels slow compared to a more than a year old Nexus 10 with a much slower processor. I already removed all of the bloat, except the SPen stuff, because that was my main point for getting this tablet.
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You could have a defective unit..... Any chance that you could upload a video to show us what you are experiencing?

I had the Nexus 10 before my Note 2014. I like the Nexus 10 but the Note 2014 is blazing fast compared to the Nexus 10. The Nexus 10 was definitely laggy and my Note 2014 has been very smooth.

nrage23 said:
I had the Nexus 10 before my Note 2014. I like the Nexus 10 but the Note 2014 is blazing fast compared to the Nexus 10. The Nexus 10 was definitely laggy and my Note 2014 has been very smooth.
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There wasn't really a GPU available when the N10 was released that was capable of handling a 2,560x1,600 display. Mali 604 was at its max thresholds and it showed.
The Mali 628 in the Exynos N10.1-14's is about 4 times more powerful.

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I don't have any widgets , not even the stock Samsung ones.
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Did you start noticing it when you got the tablet? Why didnt you exchange it? You probably got a lemon one.

kkretch said:
I totally agree.
Complainers seldom admit that they made mods to the device or that they have 10 screens with 50 widgets all running at the same time, they don't admit that they installed pirated software that may or may not contain viruses or that they installed an APK that was ported from an Asus tablet because they like the way the widget looks on another brand device.
To those people it's always the device and never the user.
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of my home screen and apps just for your pleasure. ALL of my apps I bought them on the play store, none of them are pirated. I am not a dumb android user that doesn't know how to handle his tablet. It's my device, not the user. Thanks for your input though!
BarryH_GEG said:
There's a ton of discussion about N10's lagging. Friends have them and I've used them and the more crap that's installed on them the more they too suffer from transition stutter. The more crap that's going on in the background the greater chance there is that there's going to be some type of drag or delay in the interface. And it's not about performance because the stuff we're talking about that lags is probably using a single-core of the CPU and a small chunk of RAM. And on a Nexus device you can't even blame it on TW.
While you and Sis may not have experienced lag on the N10 others have...
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I'm just telling you what I notice. If I factory reset both tablets right now, i KNOW that the nexus 10 would feel buttery smooth while my note 10 would still feel laggy. Even dragging apps around the home screen felt laggy here. Understand my frustration, i just paid premium price for something that could be a lot better in terms of speed. I'm just telling things from MY experience with both tablets, and my experience with the OLD nexus 10 felt smooth compared to my experience here. You believe whatever you want.
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You could have a defective unit..... Any chance that you could upload a video to show us what you are experiencing?
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It's just lagginess all around and the crashes aren't really predictable. I'm not going to be able to upload a video since I'm going to flash this to stock as soon as I get home so I can return it at best buy and get another one. My unit may be defective.
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Did you start noticing it when you got the tablet? Why didnt you exchange it? You probably got a lemon one.
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It was on a sealed box. I noticed when I opened it at home. It's just been 3 days since I got it. I'm returning it today and I'll report back.
Thanks to the ones of you that can see beyond fanboyism. Some take it so personal the minute you say the device feels laggy, feeling like you've insulted them personally or something. I'll report back when I get a new one.
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Well this is my experience so far.
I've had this thing since November. Not rooted, not debloated. I have a couple of widgets etc and using Nova launcher. Nothing out of the ordinary. Running that taiwanese firmware which is the latest one supposedly. Anyway, 95% of the time in my experience, I don't notice any lag whatsoever. Even with multiwindow where I've been reading a pdf on the first half and using papyrus on the second half to take notes, no lag. This thing is a beast and the battery life is pretty good. If I could root without losing warranty, it would be perfect.
One day I hope CM11 comes to this thing because it's already blazing fast, and I would love to have CM11 to make it as close to stock as possible.

abdielol said:
If I factory reset both tablets right now, i KNOW that the nexus 10 would feel buttery smooth while my note 10 would still feel laggy.
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I'd guess the Nexus would be smoother after a reset. The pinch zooming of home screens on the N10.1-14 isn't any faster whether it's factory fresh or with a ton of widgets (in my experience). I don't think the N10.1-14 is performing to the full capabilities of its h/w and think interim updates that would have helped were stopped to focus on the upcoming 4.4/M-UX update. But having said that there's a big difference between that and inferring it's a laggy mess as a couple of people here have tried to do. So you're saying that based on your experience you're hugely disappointed with the lag you're experiencing. I'm saying that 95% of the time with the exception being some transition lag (especially when a lot of background processes are going on) my N10.1-14 doesn't lag. Since neither of us can see what the other's talking about you can lose the righteous indignation because me and a couple of people here are posting experiences that may be different than yours.
Thanks to the ones of you that can see beyond fanboyism. Some take it so personal the minute you say the device feels laggy, feeling like you've insulted them personally or something. I'll report back when I get a new one.
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This isn't about you. People should buy what makes them happy and if you're not happy by all means return your N10.1-14 and get something that does make you happy. But you, one person sharing one experience, can lead to this...
xgreenlanternox said:
Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying.
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You're entitled to your opinion but if the people that disagree with you are "fanboys" does that make you and others with a different opinion "haters?" I don't personally think so and think that the (constructive) sharing of differing opinions and experiences are healthy. Everyone here's a big boy or girl and don't need you or me to tell them how to draw conclusions and weed through posts. I post counterpoint to comments like yours sometimes to give people perspective; and whenever possible pics or videos to back up what I'm sharing. I could personally care less what people here do individually (after all, there's over 4M) and whether or not they buy a product I own or are pleased with my comments. But I've been thanked a lot so I must be doing something to help people.

BarryH_GEG said:
I'd guess the Nexus would be smoother after a reset. The pinch zooming of home screens on the N10.1-14 isn't any faster whether it's factory fresh or with a ton of widgets (in my experience). I don't think the N10.1-14 is performing to the full capabilities of its h/w and think interim updates that would have helped were stopped to focus on the upcoming 4.4/M-UX update. But having said that there's a big difference between that and inferring it's a laggy mess as a couple of people here have tried to do. So you're saying that based on your experience you're hugely disappointed with the lag you're experiencing. I'm saying that 95% of the time with the exception being some transition lag (especially when a lot of background processes are going on) my N10.1-14 doesn't lag. Since neither of us can see what the other's talking about you can lose the righteous indignation because me and a couple of people here are posting experiences that may be different than yours.
This isn't about you. People should buy what makes them happy and if you're not happy by all means return your N10.1-14 and get something that does make you happy. But you, one person sharing one experience, can lead to this...
You're entitled to your opinion but if the people that disagree with you are "fanboys" does that make you and others with a different opinion "haters?" I don't personally think so and think that the (constructive) sharing of differing opinions and experiences are healthy. Everyone here's a big boy or girl and don't need you or me to tell them how to draw conclusions and weed through posts. I post counterpoint to comments like yours sometimes to give people perspective; and whenever possible pics or videos to back up what I'm sharing. I could personally care less what people here do individually (after all, there's over 4M) and whether or not they buy a product I own or are pleased with my comments. But I've been thanked a lot so I must be doing something to help people.
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I'm not sure how I got involved in the middle of this - I have had nothing good or bad personally to say about the device. I am just sharing what I've read from consumer/tech reviewers. I just worry because just as many people are saying that it is laggy as not. I understand there are different factors for this, but I am not super tech saavy with tablets either and just want a good experience right out of the box. While screen transition being slightly laggy isnt much of a big deal to me, what is this going to translate into when I play games, or do resource intense functions? I just don't want to spend $550.00 on something I am not going to be happy with. I also don't want to have to root anything to reach it's full potential because there goes my warranty.

[Q] Looking to buy G3, questions

As title states...
I'm the primary account holder and bought my Galaxy S4 out right. Well I'm thinking of using one of the lines that has jump and swapping it out for the LG G3 for myself (and give the S4 to the other party).
1.) How does the T-Mobile variant differ from the international version?
2.) Does it have FM included in it?
3.) How easy is this thing to root/flash recovery? Does it come with a locked bootloader? If so, how do you unlock it? I'm coming from owning Galaxy and Nexus products and all had no bootloader problems so I'm a bit leery going to another manufacturer.
4.) How's battery life on this device? I've just about had my fair share of TouchWiz and Samsung (even with AOKP on it as we speak). I really enjoy my fiance's Nexus 5 the way I had it set up but my biggest pet peeve is the battery is small and limited on that device
5.) Most important question, does anyone have any experience with the Xperia Z2 as well? This was the phone I really wanted to get but I can't justify spending $600 on eBay with no warranty on a device versus basically a free upgrade (I pay for all the lines on the account). Any thoughts on the camera on the LG G3 compared to the other flagships (e.g. Xperia Z2, Galaxy S5, Lumina, iPhone)? I use the camera a lot and some reviews I saw said it can be washed out and isn't the greatest.
Thanks for the help. :good:

If you like the Nexus then you'll love the g3. Its the big brother of the Nexus. I say go for it.
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Nosferatu. said:
As title states...
I'm the primary account holder and bought my Galaxy S4 out right. Well I'm thinking of using one of the lines that has jump and swapping it out for the LG G3 for myself (and give the S4 to the other party).
1.) How does the T-Mobile variant differ from the international version?
2.) Does it have FM included in it?
3.) How easy is this thing to root/flash recovery? Does it come with a locked bootloader? If so, how do you unlock it? I'm coming from owning Galaxy and Nexus products and all had no bootloader problems so I'm a bit leery going to another manufacturer.
4.) How's battery life on this device? I've just about had my fair share of TouchWiz and Samsung (even with AOKP on it as we speak). I really enjoy my fiance's Nexus 5 the way I had it set up but my biggest pet peeve is the battery is small and limited on that device
5.) Most important question, does anyone have any experience with the Xperia Z2 as well? This was the phone I really wanted to get but I can't justify spending $600 on eBay with no warranty on a device versus basically a free upgrade (I pay for all the lines on the account). Any thoughts on the camera on the LG G3 compared to the other flagships (e.g. Xperia Z2, Galaxy S5, Lumina, iPhone)? I use the camera a lot and some reviews I saw said it can be washed out and isn't the greatest.
Thanks for the help. :good:
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1. WiFi calling, you don't get an antenna(only works on korea), unlocked bootloader, and you don't get headphones nor a spare battery in the box like the korean version. I think the international phone brings headphones.
2. It's incredibly easy thanks to the developers. Root/recovery is available for T-Mobile. Root is available to everyone except sprint(coming soon). Only T-Mobile has recovery so far.
3. Everyone's usage is different but I love the battery if this phone. I easily get 16-20 hrs of standby and 5-5.5 of screen time.
4. I have no experience with the Z2 but I really like the G3 camera. There are picture threads on the T-Mobile and regular g3 sections that you can take a look at.
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No FM, not sure which phones even have it since it's not a feature I look for.
Battery life is much better than it was for me with the N5. I used Greenify and Lux brightness to keep it low on the N5 and I would still be under 15% at night with maybe 1.5 hours of screen time, at the most.
The G3 has been much better. I went to bed last night with 22 % left after 12 hours of use and 2.5 hours of screen time. I had never achieved that on the Nexus 5. I have a ton of apps that wake up the phone: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Hangouts, SMS, Google Music runs often. I even spent all day off of work's WiFi. Today I have turned it on, so we'll see if battery life improves. I had also turned off WiFi when screen is off due to the privacy bug, but today I enabled it again to see how much impact it has on the battery.
I am not a fan of Samsung devices and dislike Touchwiz. The skin on the G3 is pretty decent. It's not very intrusive, and even though I miss some of the N5's icons and cleaner notification drawer and status bar, the G3 has a pretty clean interface without having to disable everything.
The big advantage of the Tmo version is we already have a recovery, so we should be able to get more tweaks in ROMs soon.
I have been unable to get tethering to work (without the usage counting towards your tether bucket), and there are reports of international roaming issues.
Phone is running 4.4.2, and I'm not sure how good LG will be with an L update, but I don't think they'd be too bad. Hopefully a GPE version comes along and we can convert the phone to that.
The camera is pretty good, much better than my N5. The built in camera app does a pretty sh**ty job at auto White Balance in low light, but it is fast. I haven't used a Z2 in person, but the Z1 I tried a while back didn't blow me away in terms of camera quality. This one doesn't blow me away either, but it's an improvement over what I had before. I always had to use HDR+ mode on the N5, which meant photos took a long time, but they came out pretty good. I do miss HDR+ for low light photos.

You can use hdr on the g3 camera app.

so to be clear, no locked bootloader correct? Just run ADB to obtain root and flash a recovery?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2821005
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IXChicharitoXI said:
You can use hdr on the g3 camera app.
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You can, but it's not nearly as good as Google's exclusive HDR+ I keep forgetting to see if someone has ported the feature over to another device.
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adamfair said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2821005
[ROOT / TWRP][D851 ONLY][OSX/Linux/Windows] Root/TWRP your TMO G3 with PurpleDrake!
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Yup, all done for you in a script, or you can do it manually if you so desire. I did it on mine and I have TWRP (it looks funny because it only takes about two thirds of the screen) and root.

Nosferatu. said:
As title states...
I'm the primary account holder and bought my Galaxy S4 out right. Well I'm thinking of using one of the lines that has jump and swapping it out for the LG G3 for myself (and give the S4 to the other party).
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1.) As noted above, the T-Mobile G3 has does not come with earbuds or a spare battery. It does support Qi wireless charging, if you have the right cover.
2.) No FM radio.
3.) T-Mobile G3 bootloader is unlocked out of the box. Rooting is brain-dead simple, thanks to PurpleDrake.
4.) Battery life is above average, but not exceptional. My old Note 2 went longer between charges, but my G3 always has >20% left at the end of the day, so I can't complain. It really depends on how you use the phone. You could completely drain it playing heavy 3D games or watching Netflix all day, but that would drain any device (except perhaps a Droid Maxx)
5.) I have no experience with the Xperia Z2, so I cannot comment about that.
polo045 said:
If you like the Nexus then you'll love the g3. Its the big brother of the Nexus. I say go for it.
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Not necessarily. If you like the "vanilla" android experience of the Nexus 5, then you might not care for the LG UI. It is less laggy than Touchwiz, but it's still there. People that are used to no-frills style of AOSP might be turned off by the LG UI. Of course, that will change once the G3 gets cyanogenmod support, but that is down the road.

YAY! Phone rocks. Got it rooted and whatnot. Don't see much out there yet for development. Anyways, how do we go about getting wireless charging? I noticed it doesn't come with anything out of the box stock.
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Nosferatu. said:
YAY! Phone rocks. Got it rooted and whatnot. Don't see much out there yet for development. Anyways, how do we go about getting wireless charging? I noticed it doesn't come with anything out of the box stock.
Killer screen.
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You can get the quick case, it replaces the back and has wireless charging. If you don't like the flip cover (I don't), you can get a back cover with wireless charging. There's a Verizon version that has been confirmed to work with our D851.