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I'm sort of the local android advocate where I go to school, and I've convinced a close friend to purchase the note 2 when his contract expires soon. He's coming from an iphone and I've promised him so many things that android delivers that Apple fails to do. In my personal opinion, Samsung is the way to go; they make the fastest phones with best optimization and I'd be hard pressed to purchase anything by any other manufacturer (lg, htc, motorolla, etc). Also in my opinion, the note 2 is by FAR the best phone out now (even more so than the nexus 4, go look at the massive amount of problems they're experiencing). I recommend him the note 2 because he live design and I think he'll appreciate the spen coupled with the note 2s great engineering. However, there's some things I truly need to know. I don't want to set him up with an android phone and have a bad experience thus shutting him out to the idea altogether, the last thing I want is him running to the iPhone 5 so, can you guys answer me these.
1: even with jelly bean, are there hiccups? Freezes in touchwiz ever?
2: are apps well optimized? Smooth, with no crashing?
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi?
4: is the battery life REALLY that phenomenal?
5: how accurate and responsive is the spen. The model in the store left much to be desired. It was very unresponsive.
6: are there build defects with this device often? Sammy normally does a good job producing their products
7: camera quality/speaker loudness?
Or any issues in general that would put a newcomer off. I'd really like his conversion to android to be flawless, thus beginning my slow progression into leading android to world domination! Thanks in advance!
Edit: oops! Thought this was qa! Move this to the question section please
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The only thing I see turning someone off this phone is the size. If it is too big, steer them to the DNA, GS3 or One X+ (though battery life will suffer with those compared to the GN2). All your listed potential concerns are non existent for me. This coming from a three generation Nexus user.
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MultiLockOn said:
I'm sort of the local android advocate where I go to school, and I've convinced a close friend to purchase the note 2 when his contract expires soon. He's coming from an iphone and I've promised him so many things that android delivers that Apple fails to do. In my personal opinion, Samsung is the way to go; they make the fastest phones with best optimization and I'd be hard pressed to purchase anything by any other manufacturer (lg, htc, motorolla, etc). Also in my opinion, the note 2 is by FAR the best phone out now (even more so than the nexus 4, go look at the massive amount of problems they're experiencing). I recommend him the note 2 because he live design and I think he'll appreciate the spen coupled with the note 2s great engineering. However, there's some things I truly need to know. I don't want to set him up with an android phone and have a bad experience thus shutting him out to the idea altogether, the last thing I want is him running to the iPhone 5 so, can you guys answer me these.
1: even with jelly bean, are there hiccups? Freezes in touchwiz ever?
2: are apps well optimized? Smooth, with no crashing?
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi?
4: is the battery life REALLY that phenomenal?
5: how accurate and responsive is the spen. The model in the store left much to be desired. It was very unresponsive.
6: are there build defects with this device often? Sammy normally does a good job producing their products
7: camera quality/speaker loudness?
Or any issues in general that would put a newcomer off. I'd really like his conversion to android to be flawless, thus beginning my slow progression into leading android to world domination! Thanks in advance!
Edit: oops! Thought this was qa! Move this to the question section please
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I've had the note 2 for a little over 2 weeks and I can answer a few of these for you.
3. The screen is amazing. My sister bought the iphone 5 and we compared screen resolution. I assume since the note is so large it doesn't need to be close to your face so it looks much better.
4. I let my battery go from 100% to 7% and got great battery life. It lasted over 24hrs. Better than any device I've owned other than my iPad. But I dont call and text on my iPad all day either.
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5. I've only used the Spen a few times but it is very handy, and I'm left handed which you can change in the settings. The model is always garbage when they have the pen just hanging there like a detached limb It's much better in 'real life'.
7. Camera is great. I used it to record video and I felt like I was being biased about how great it was, but after uploading the video to facebook people commented wanting to know what camera I was using.
I haven't used touchwiz since I've had this phone. I use Nova Launcher which is great on rhis device.
I think the Note 2 is a great choice for your friend. I was a huge iphone fan and now I wouldn't take anything for my GN2.
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MultiLockOn said:
I'm sort of the local android advocate where I go to school, and I've convinced a close friend to purchase the note 2 when his contract expires soon. He's coming from an iphone and I've promised him so many things that android delivers that Apple fails to do. In my personal opinion, Samsung is the way to go; they make the fastest phones with best optimization and I'd be hard pressed to purchase anything by any other manufacturer (lg, htc, motorolla, etc). Also in my opinion, the note 2 is by FAR the best phone out now (even more so than the nexus 4, go look at the massive amount of problems they're experiencing). I recommend him the note 2 because he live design and I think he'll appreciate the spen coupled with the note 2s great engineering. However, there's some things I truly need to know. I don't want to set him up with an android phone and have a bad experience thus shutting him out to the idea altogether, the last thing I want is him running to the iPhone 5 so, can you guys answer me these.
1: even with jelly bean, are there hiccups? Freezes in touchwiz ever?
2: are apps well optimized? Smooth, with no crashing?
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi?
4: is the battery life REALLY that phenomenal?
5: how accurate and responsive is the spen. The model in the store left much to be desired. It was very unresponsive.
6: are there build defects with this device often? Sammy normally does a good job producing their products
7: camera quality/speaker loudness?
Or any issues in general that would put a newcomer off. I'd really like his conversion to android to be flawless, thus beginning my slow progression into leading android to world domination! Thanks in advance!
Edit: oops! Thought this was qa! Move this to the question section please
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I waited for the Note 2 for over a year and am very happy with it.
1. TouchWiz is smooth, very smooth. No problems in that respect.
2. The apps I use all work very well and i have many. A few admittedly can seem "out of focus" on the large screen. Ver few!
3. The screen is brilliant. Reading small text is the test and it is crisp and clear, the blacks are as black as night CHOOSE A SCREEN PROTECTOR CAREFULLY!! I have a Copter screen protector on now and it ruins the display quality. Especially text. I am trying to fing en alternative now.
4. The battery is truly phenomenal.I had a couple of busy days at work and so only had time to use it intensively for about 12 hours over a two day period. The battery lasted 2 days 5 hours!!
5. The S-pen is accurate, very useful and a is designers and photo editing nerds (me) dream. That's why i skipped the sII and sIII. It is however also very useful for many other things as well. Navigating web pages and screen menus without zooming in to 400% saves lots of time.
6. Some users have mentioned build defects such as the "creaky" back cover. I came from an SI so this neither bothers me nor worries me. (My SI now works better and faster than it did when i bought it two and a half years ago.) This creakiness will bother someone coming from iphone, The plastic feel will also bother him/her. You will have explain that it is to keep the weight to a minimum.
7a. The picture quality is very good in the right conditions. As with any camera you need to know its limitations. The camera is not as fast as the camera on the iphone. In my experience the iphone camera opens and focuses quicker. Once the Note 2 has focused shats are taken as quick as on the iphone. This is the only thing that makes me jealous of iphone users.
7b. Speaker volume and quality is excellent.

You have many questions but at the end of the day, your friend will be the judge.
I will tell you this. I personally don't know anybody I've shown my Note II who was not impressed. I actually converted one of my co-workers over from an iPhone 4. He was AMAZED at what he was messing. He is absolutely in love with his device and learning more every day.
You won't be able to stop him from having a bad experience. Let him buy the phone, be there for him if he has any questions, and then watch him fall in love with the device. Watch him get giddy when he plugs in his headphones and his most used audio apps pop up. Watch him as uses apps such* as Smart Toggler, Tasker, or other Touch Wiz tweaks to automate toggling WiFi, GPS, Data, and Sound.
There is nothing an iPhone 5 can offer him that he can't find on the Note 2 except iTunes. Then again...Google Play is pretty freakin' impressive. Show him how to remotely install apps from his PC. Make him factory restore his device and then log in to see all his settings + apps restored automatically!
Basically show him the strengths of Android. The Galaxy Note 2 will MORE than speak for itself.

I can answer all of your questions in favor of the Note 2. The deal breaker may just be Android. When you are used to one OS for so long, especially one that never changes it can be hard to make the switch. Android can be overwhelming to someone who is accustomed to the simplicity of iOS. But if he's a little nerdy, or just likes to customize stuff he will dig it.
Either way, he can return it if he doesn't like it. If he gets it from Best Buy there's no re-stocking fee even, and I think you have 30 days...
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1: I experience hiccups occasionally and freezes rarely but its not like a freeze then fc....its more like a slow response
2: Haven't had any problems yet
3: I cam from a s2 skyrocket and the screen is beautiful to me.
4: the battery life REALLY is phenomenal! (just put your words in the right places)
5: For me, the spen is accurate but responsive is really subjective. There was a 1/4 to 1/2 second delay for the Spen (for me atleast and maybe its app related...I don't use the pen much)
6: I havent found any build defects but I'd imagine it will seem of less quality due to the fact the battery is removable and thus the back could have some creaks. The phone doesnt have any flex in it though....but I havent tried very hard to find flex
7: Camera and speakers are ample for me

MultiLockOn said:
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi?
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are you serious with this one?
there are 40 inches HDtvs with the same resolution of this 5.5 inches cellphone screen... i personally think anything higher than this on a screen this small, your eyes can't see the differences.
As for the battery, i usually do 3 days on a full charge with my Note 2, its an extreme upgrade from my old iphone 3gs (1 day only)
Unlike my iphone, none of the apps crashes.

rotule said:
are you serious with this one?
there are 40 inches HDtvs with the same resolution of this 5.5 inches cellphone screen... i personally think anything higher than this on a screen this small, your eyes can't see the differences.
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Hey great 1st post & throwing you 1st thanks

The only reservation I have with the Note II, is the battery. I realize that there are so many people reporting these outrageously amazing battery times (usually without stating HOW/WHAT exactly they are doing on their phones and how they are managing to achieve these phenomenal battery lives) but I, unfortunately, am not one of those people who have experiences these unheard of battery statistics.
Grant it, standby time has been unrivaled. I've gotten almost 38 hours of battery life on my Note II. However, the most important metric—which is your screen-on time—was less than four hours... many not have even been three hours. I've seen many people reporting 24+ hours of battery with 10+ hours of screen-on time. Again, not sure how people are doing this. I have replaced my old iPod touch with the Note II. The Note I and II are the only phones I've ever had that were TRUE iPod/iPhone music player replacements. If I listen to just a bit of music, look at a few videos stored on my phone, play a few games for a little bit, and add a bit of web browsing to the equation... I can EASILY be down to about 50% battery after only 2.5-3 hours. Nowhere near what other people are reporting. Also, in many professional reviews, it's almost a toss-up with reported battery life. Half of the reviews state the ridiculously crazy amount of battery time others have reported on here, yet the other half are in my camp, stating that the battery is only as good as what you'd expect from a phone like the Note II and it isn't anything to write home about.
So that's the only thing I'd caution someone on. Either you'll be lucky and get the crazy great battery/phone or you'll end up with the red headed stepchild like I apparently have. Beyond that, I can't say anything bad about this phone.

1: even with jelly bean, are there hiccups? Freezes in touchwiz ever? no not ever with stock kernel, how ever u throw in note2kernel asylum edition and nothing ever hiccups. NOTHING
2: are apps well optimized? Smooth, with no crashing? this is the one problem with android, yes apps all function flawlessly. however we are not apple. they only have to make a few mods bc well they only make it for iphones ipads etc. so the support is a bit better i would say in that term. but apps on android are amazing. the open sourceness of things is fantastic.
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi? NO COMMENT. i honestly believe the iphone screen is one of the best there is. but the sheer size and quality, ( specs wise it may not be as good as iphone) but i like it so much more than the iphones.
4: is the battery life REALLY that phenomenal? YES yes and YESSSSSSSSS. throw in undervolt and ul be all day. u can easily reach 12 hours screen time ON with HEAVVVVYYYYYY use.
5: how accurate and responsive is the spen. The model in the store left much to be desired. It was very unresponsive.? this all depends, after kernel updates and custom rom, there is a small small window of lag behind it but its nothing that will change or make it worse. i think it is phenomenal to be honest with you
6: are there build defects with this device often? Sammy normally does a good job producing their products- i can testify i had a defective unit. 12 days later i went to att and got a new one. my speaker jack was bad, i could not plug it in bc it popped right back out. my usb cable also came lose very very easy. new one i got is absolutely perfect.
7: camera quality/speaker loudness? camera... there i no other like it. the pictures are INSTANT and quality, well i dont need my camera anymore. speaker is loud, but they really couldve used better speakers for this beast.

sling said:
Hey great 1st post & throwing you 1st thanks
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Still wondering if this is sarcasm
BTW as an ex-iphone user, the only thing i miss is the rocker switch to switch from loud to Vibrate and vice-versa of course i think all the +values are worth this loss but i hope samsung will be able to so some kind of rocker switch like this someday (and make it configurable so we can so wathever we want with it )

Dr. Evo said:
The only reservation I have with the Note II, is the battery. I realize that there are so many people reporting these outrageously amazing battery times (usually without stating HOW/WHAT exactly they are doing on their phones and how they are managing to achieve these phenomenal battery lives) but I, unfortunately, am not one of those people who have experiences these unheard of battery statistics.
Grant it, standby time has been unrivaled. I've gotten almost 38 hours of battery life on my Note II. However, the most important metric—which is your screen-on time—was less than four hours... many not have even been three hours. I've seen many people reporting 24+ hours of battery with 10+ hours of screen-on time. Again, not sure how people are doing this. I have replaced my old iPod touch with the Note II. The Note I and II are the only phones I've ever had that were TRUE iPod/iPhone music player replacements. If I listen to just a bit of music, look at a few videos stored on my phone, play a few games for a little bit, and add a bit of web browsing to the equation... I can EASILY be down to about 50% battery after only 2.5-3 hours. Nowhere near what other people are reporting. Also, in many professional reviews, it's almost a toss-up with reported battery life. Half of the reviews state the ridiculously crazy amount of battery time others have reported on here, yet the other half are in my camp, stating that the battery is only as good as what you'd expect from a phone like the Note II and it isn't anything to write home about.
So that's the only thing I'd caution someone on. Either you'll be lucky and get the crazy great battery/phone or you'll end up with the red headed stepchild like I apparently have. Beyond that, I can't say anything bad about this phone.
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your battery life is worse than normal, but not to much. 2.5 - 3 hour screen on for 50% battery is normal, if everything is on.
you can do better if you want to. but for a normal user who don't know what is wake lock, kernel, it's fine.

ScooterG said:
All your listed potential concerns are non existent for me.
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+1

This phone actually sucks. Freezes, terrible battery life and screen is tooooo small.

I love my Note 2. I, like most everyone in this thread have had no issues with this device at all. I don't use TouchWiz though as I prefer Nova for the customization benefits. I came from a GS2 and for me it was a huge upgrade. The most deterring thing is the screen size, for me it isn't a big deal. My fiancee (she's only 4'10") loves to use my phone and the size doesn't bother her. Granted she has to use 2 hands but it's worth it. It's a great device and will only get better. Battery life is pretty good, but I also don't get these crazy reports of 10+ hours of screen time and 1+ days till dead on top of the screen time. I average 4 hours with just about everything turned off except Mobile Data, WiFi and sync. Disabled most of the pre-installed bloatware and I do have a live background. The S-Pen is so so for me, in certain apps it's a little slow but others it's spot on with where I draw. Haven't cared to adjust the pen itself since I don't use it all that much. All in all I am very impressed and highly recommend this phone.

I think getting the crazy 1 day + battery life has a lot to do with the way you customize the phone settings.
I used to blow through the entire battery in 4 hrs as well but since learning more about different roms/kernels and other things that drain your battery I have managed to stretch it to 1 day 14 hrs with similar heavy usage
Like I said you have to get the settings just right. Also in my experience these 1 days + between charges are only attainable when im at home on weekends and have wifi on 24 hrs a day. LTE is a huge battery drain not to mention that it has not been implemented everywhere so you also lose battery when the phone toggles between LTE and whatever else is available at the time.
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MultiLockOn said:
I'm sort of the local android advocate where I go to school, and I've convinced a close friend to purchase the note 2 when his contract expires soon. He's coming from an iphone and I've promised him so many things that android delivers that Apple fails to do. In my personal opinion, Samsung is the way to go; they make the fastest phones with best optimization and I'd be hard pressed to purchase anything by any other manufacturer (lg, htc, motorolla, etc). Also in my opinion, the note 2 is by FAR the best phone out now (even more so than the nexus 4, go look at the massive amount of problems they're experiencing). I recommend him the note 2 because he live design and I think he'll appreciate the spen coupled with the note 2s great engineering. However, there's some things I truly need to know. I don't want to set him up with an android phone and have a bad experience thus shutting him out to the idea altogether, the last thing I want is him running to the iPhone 5 so, can you guys answer me these.
1: even with jelly bean, are there hiccups? Freezes in touchwiz ever?
2: are apps well optimized? Smooth, with no crashing?
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi?
4: is the battery life REALLY that phenomenal?
5: how accurate and responsive is the spen. The model in the store left much to be desired. It was very unresponsive.
6: are there build defects with this device often? Sammy normally does a good job producing their products
7: camera quality/speaker loudness?
Or any issues in general that would put a newcomer off. I'd really like his conversion to android to be flawless, thus beginning my slow progression into leading android to world domination! Thanks in advance!
Edit: oops! Thought this was qa! Move this to the question section please
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1) I have yet to experience anything wrong with touch wiz ui. Never had a freeze or shut down and I have quite a few apps installed as well.
2) Apps. There are (I imagine) apps that aren't as good as others. Of all the apps that I use/used I haven't had any that have even slowed the note 2 down.
3) the screen is absolutely awesome. There have been tests done that compare this to the iPhone 5 and they are dead even.
4) battery life is the best I've seen on any smartphone period. I've had lots of phones including an iPhone.
5) The spen is very accurate. Dead on. The only gripe I have about the spen is when you hover it shows up on the screen. I can hold my spen about 2-2.5"away from the screen and it pops up. I wish it had to be held just s little closer before recognizing it.
6) mine is built very solid and feels strong in my hand (s). Some units were reported to have usb issues not fitting tightly and even falling out when you plug it in. I haven't experienced that. But one would take it back for a new one should they get a unit with that issue. No squeaks, noises or moans out of this thing.
7) speaker loudness is good enough. Camera quality is superb with so many options coming on the stock unit. The are tons of other camera apps that are available to suit your fancy as well.
I haven't had anything wrong with my unit. No speed calls call clarity is fantastic. Easily heard and the pression on the other line never complains they can't hear me or otherwise.
If your friend had even a similar experience with his potential until that I've had he'd be thanking you for years to come. There are so many options and customizations you just can't get with iphones that are easily available for Android. I jumped from the Apple bandwagon to android a little over a year now and can't believe it took me that long.
One recommendation tho, when you both get your new note2's get a FlyGrip put on it. It'll allow for true one-handed operation without jeopardizing losing control of your device and dropping it. Plus it serves as a nice stand. In my opinion the FlyGrip is a must have for phones and tablets alike.
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MultiLockOn said:
I don't want to set him up with an android phone and have a bad experience thus shutting him out to the idea altogether, the last thing I want is him running to the iPhone 5 so, can you guys answer me these.
1: even with jelly bean, are there hiccups? Freezes in touchwiz ever?
2: are apps well optimized? Smooth, with no crashing?
3: is the screen beautiful despite the low ppi?
4: is the battery life REALLY that phenomenal?
5: how accurate and responsive is the spen. The model in the store left much to be desired. It was very unresponsive.
6: are there build defects with this device often? Sammy normally does a good job producing their products
7: camera quality/speaker loudness?
Or any issues in general that would put a newcomer off. I'd really like his conversion to android to be flawless, thus beginning my slow progression into leading android to world domination! Thanks in advance!
Edit: oops! Thought this was qa! Move this to the question section please
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First off...you need to understand something...folks can have a bad experience..regardless of wither the phone is perfect for you and others or not. You need to really see what he does with his I-phone before trying to convince him to change. Many I-phone lovers have a great deal invested in them not only for the phone and apps..but other apple products,and if he is one of these types..chances are his experiences will differ greatly than someone who isn't so invested..If he is only used to using I-Phones and uses a Mac instead of a PC...has Apple TV..and I-pads..it is going to be a hard sell..
Now..if he isn't one of these types..then you still need to see what he likes and dislikes about the phone he is currently using and show him the differences in a good working model of the Note II...there are many stores that seem to have some non-functioning demo units that these units that have been screwed up by folks playing with them while on display..I've see several like this..so..just beware...You need to find out what he wants to do with his phone and what his expectations are....Now to your questions..
1) Some times..just as with any phone that is on the market..Samsung is not immune to this...nor is Apple...and for anyone here to say otherwise is biased ignorant or just a hater of Apple.
2) For the most part...yes...but that is not to say you or anyone else won't get a bad one from time to time...wither it is coming from Apple's app store or Google's...Apps for Android has to span so many different versions of phones as opposed to Apple apps...so some that work flawlessly on one persons phone may not on another's phone.This is why some say Apple is better...and Android is fragmented..I can say it's a lot better today than just a year ago..Apple is not immune to having bad apps it does and has happened..
3) Absolutely it is...and it is one of the main selling points of the phone..It is night and day compared to any of the smaller screens out there including the I-phone 5.
4) Yes & no...it can be or it can be average...or in some cases dismal...and a lot is going to depend on the individual...and a-lot is going to depend on the phone itself. I can say this..I've had much better luck with mine than some have and have better luck than with any other Android phone I have used in the past..The nice thing about it though..is this forum and the folks here that go out of their way to help those with issues...unlike the standard answer one will get on the majority of I-phone forums and that is to take it back..
5) Like I said in the beginning...you can't always measure a phone by what you see as a demo unit..Way too many little hands doing their best to bork it..but mine is very responsive.
6) You will have defects in any manufacturers phone...including Samsung or Apple. Both are for the most part exceptional phones..Some folks have to have a 100% perfect product and will scream bloody murder if it isn't...some aren't so picky..This will be up to the person your trying to convince really..and as long as he understands this..and understands if he gets a damaged one to take it back..it's a no brainer.
7) Both are excellent..both have some minor differences between makes..but both will do a great job..If a person needs a better camera...they should get a dedicated camera IMHO...and as too the loudness and quality of the speakers..my Note II is louder than any unaided I-phone out there..This was something I disliked about my other Android phones...but on this one..it is one of the things like the screen size that blows away the competition entirely.
So...I have to ask..is you friend happy with his I-phone now ? Are you just trying to get them to switch because of your preference ? If yes to both..your possibly setting yourself up for a very unhappy situation..If they are really wanting to switch..they will..Many folks are deeply disturbed by Apple's relentless lawsuits..and lack of recent innovations...Many more are seeing all of the negative TV adds and are questioning themselves as well..Just know this before you say much more to them..if they are the type of individual that wants to set it and then forget it..they may be much better off with a Apple I-phone than a Android one..While most Android phones can be used like that as well in reality...the simple fact is the majority of I-phone users expect theirs to work perfectly out of the box...and many past Android phones which are the bulk of the phones on the market haven't been that way. While you may be here and can see what can and can't be done to them...you have to ask them if they are willing to actually learn how to do this..Many many people aren't willing to mess with their phones by either jail breaking them...or rooting them and installing custom features..so they are a set it and forget it type of individual...
Phone for phone comparing the Note II against a 4s I-phone..is a no brainer really..it offers so much more that that one..Comparing it to a I-phone 5..will depend entirely on the individuals taste/wants/needs..and also what their carrier offers as far as connectivity for LTE as well as how deeply they are invested in Apple products..and their family& friends as well. From a purely personal perspective..I prefer my note to either the 4s or 5 I-phones because of what I do with it..and that is something your friend is going to have to decide for themselves...
This is about as unbiased as I can be...hope it helps..
Mac

rotule said:
Still wondering if this is sarcasm
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No sarcasm involved.
I was throwing you props for making valid point that has not been made on res....well at least in this forum & for that I gave you thanks on your 1st xda post.

[Q] Would you buy it again?

Thinking about getting one of these 32gb refurbished. Would you buy it again? Most of the reviews talk about laggy performance. Did the updates fix it at all?
Battery life decent? Torn between this and an iPad Air. I am experienced with both iOS and Android, so I understand the differences. Laggy Androids piss me off, but if they are smooth like my LG G2, then I have no problems with them. My iPad 3 on IOS 7 got too laggy, drives me insane.. selling it off.

if you are not happy with your ipad for lagginess then dont even bother buying, rooting helps but no where smooth as ipad2&3 on ios 7.1, especially on chrome and handling pdf & xls & docx. General UI lagginess is expected to be fixed with an update.

I own a TMO LG G2 so I may be able to give you a reference point. The G2 is damn smooth in EVERYTHING. You know that. This tablet is not smooth everywhere, its just not. But it is damn close in *most* areas.
Here's the breakdown. TouchWiz is the only somewhat laggy part of this tablet. I personally don't spend much time within TouchWiz, because most of my time is within an app. Inside apps, this thing flies very nearly as fast as the G2. Impressive, given the higher res screen. Games are very fluid, Boat Browser and UC Browser both offer exceptional speed and fluidity for browsing, and optimized apps, as with anywhere else, make the biggest difference. If they are optimized, then this tablet will chew through them like butter.
If you plan to use Nova launcher, etc. Then you will have no issues of slowdowns with this tablet. With those launchers, this thing flies, and you still get to keep all of the sPen features, which realistically, is probably why you are buying this anyway. If you weren't, you could get a tab pro cheaper, but probably not refurbed.
For notes, SNote is slow, for me at least, but LectureNotes is a fantastic alternative that offers fast, fluid note taking and is very reliable for classwork or the like.
If you are the type to use ROMs, I hear that there are some awesomely smooth options like CleanROM which retain the SPen features and touchwiz, but optimize it for smoothness.
By the way, a couple of things you should know if you end up purchasing this tablet. First, the speed of the tablet increases greatly after about 4-5 days, depending on your usage. Also, the battery life improves significantly after 2 weeks of use. At the beginning, this tab would drain about 10 percent over 8 hours, and now it consistently drains about 2% over the same time period.
Hope this helps,
-Cody

I wouldn't go near the Samsung. Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth issues, the lag and the lack of updates this tablet was/is pretty much a rip off. I've been a heavy Android user for years but it pushed me towards getting an iPad air. I have to say I'm really happy with the iPad and haven't looked back. It's a pity because the display is absolutely gorgeous and I really liked the pen input. It wasn't enough incentive to deal with all of the other issues however.

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Thinking about getting one of these 32gb refurbished. Would you buy it again? Most of the reviews talk about laggy performance. Did the updates fix it at all?
Battery life decent? Torn between this and an iPad Air. I am experienced with both iOS and Android, so I understand the differences. Laggy Androids piss me off, but if they are smooth like my LG G2, then I have no problems with them. My iPad 3 on IOS 7 got too laggy, drives me insane.. selling it off.
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Well... My experience varies. Seems like my note 10.1 has good and bad days. Sometimes performance couldnt be better, everything flies and the battery life is excellent but there are days, when there's noticeable lag and battery drain... My best on-screen time was 10 hours, the worse was 5 - while I didn't use it any differently in either cases, so that is strange. The lag you're so curious about is only in the launcher (touchwiz for the win), apps usually perform very well. As far as updates go, I only received one so far since I got the device (2013 december), so I can't really say anything about that.
Would I buy it again? Well, I'm aware of the limitations of iOS, but I never had a chance to try out an iPad for a longer period of time, so I'm not sure how it would fit my needs. This leaves me to pick an android device, and I have absolutely no doubt, that the note 10.1 is definitely one of the bests. Is it the most fluid experience? No, touchwiz kind of ruins that, but hey, you can always replace that with Nova or something that fits you. In terms of functionality, I'm sure that you can't go wrong with this, you have android+samsung features, which leaves you with an endless pool of possibilities. Even if you don't need the s-pen, the hardware in this device is amazing and with future software updates, I believe it could be on par with the smoothness of the iPad Air. So my answer is yes, I would buy it again, despite the occasional stutter which is present due to touchwiz. The battery life certainly could be better, but it will last you a full day with heavy usage, I usually recharge mine after 3-4 days (I'm not a heavy gamer, I use the tablet to take notes, read and edit pdfs, browse the internet, send emails... etc). The average on-screen time I'm getting is around 7-8 hours with 30-35% brightness (oh yes, the screen is REALLY bright).
In the end of the day, it really comes down to this: do you want to use android? If yes, go for the note 10.1 2014 edition without any hestitation. If you think you could live with iOS (you can always jailbreak and cram out some more functionality) and you don't really need the s-pen, by all means, go for the iPad Air, both of these tablets are absolutely amazing products.

I totally agree with what @compumasta said about lag. There's occasional lag in transitions and app openings/closings but everywhere else the device is fast. You can do some pretty resource intensive things on the N10.1-14 that you can't do with any other device. I open two My Files instances side-by-side in multi-view and drag-and-drop files from my home server via FTP to my N10.1-14 and vice-versa. You can use Air Command to launch Scrap Book and copy pages or snips of content from an app or the web. You can get a spinning wheel occasionally while the device is processing. But it's pretty amazing that something as small as the N10.1-14 is able to do work-horse productivity work at all. If you're a productivity or creation user there's nothing that can touch the N10.1-14. The more I push it the more impressed by it I am.
But are you a productivity and creation user? For consumption and games the N10.1-14 is overkill and the ton of processes and threads open in the background at all times to support its unique and resource intensive features do sap some of the power of its high-end h/w. If you're not interested in those features you might be better off with an iPad.
The new Tab/Note Pro's are running 4.4 with some pretty major updates to Samsung's s/w and apps. Even with that reviewers have pointed out the same transition lag discussed above. My N10.1-14 is definitely not as smooth as my N3 but, considering its pushing three times the display area, it's a small price to pay for such a productivity powerhouse. But if you're lag obsessed you might want to think about what you're willing to live with and I wouldn't pin my hopes on updates changing anything dramatically based on the new Pro's performance.

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I wouldn't go near the Samsung. Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth issues, the lag and the lack of updates this tablet was/is pretty much a rip off. I've been a heavy Android user for years but it pushed me towards getting an iPad air. I have to say I'm really happy with the iPad and haven't looked back. It's a pity because the display is absolutely gorgeous and I really liked the pen input. It wasn't enough incentive to deal with all of the other issues however.
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I agree with you. If appearance is important then the iPad is the way to go. If, however, one chooses function over form the I'd choose an Android in a heartbeat.

Same deal (probably going to see a lot of these because of the WOOT deal)
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Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth
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I couldn't help but respond to this. I'm at a coffee shop connected to their Wi-Fi editing a document in Hword while responding to you in a multi-view browser window using a BT mouse and keyboard while watching Amazon Instant video in a pop-up window with audio provided by a BT headset. Some folks have had BT issues but mine's been better than any device I've owned and it has been that way since the day I got my N10.1-14.
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I think you should be able to get your answer from Barry's post lol! I'm on a custom ROM and this tablet is a monster.

For the tablet itself yes, but for the dev on P600 NO. I'm very sad to see that on P605 it's sun shinig but on P600 it's raining !!!
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Lot of negativity here^^ It all comes down to your personal needs, but I would instantly buy it again. It just offers everything I need. Most of my friends have iPads so I've seen what they can do. Ipads have some very nice apps that aren't (yet) available on Android. That is the ONLY upside of the ipad in my opinion.
Lag isn't an issue at all for me (Nova Launcher+root) and there is just soo much you can do with the Note 10.1 where the iPad has very hard limitations. I'm not gonna list them all because it has been listed many times before and it's pretty obvious imho. The iPad is a big sized ipod touch while the Note 10.1 is almost a full PC with pen support.
But if you're just gonna read some news and watch the occasional movie (4:3 screen can be annoying) on your tablet and want something "apple-nice", why not go for the ipad.
If you expect something more from a device like this, something that goes into the direction of laptop replacement, the Note 10. 1 is the way to go. Especially if you like handwriting and sketching.
If you need even more productivity you might wanna look at the Surface2 pro. Or wait for the Surface 3. A collegue of mine has it and he is very happy with it, he does all his IT stuff with it. But it has some downsides (size, weight, battery life, windows).
So for me the tablet world atm comes down to this:
Just4Fun-------------------------------------Productivity
Ipad --------------- Note 10.1 2014 ----------Surface2
For me the note 10.1 is the sweetspot.

I was looking at a couple of QHD tablets, and the Note was the lightest one with the smallest bezels. I had the Note 2 and almost never used the SPen, so I might have bought an equivalent Galaxy Tab if they had one. As it turns out, I use remote desktop all the time, and the Microsoft Remote Desktop app is hands down the best rdp app... but only if you have a stylus. So I was glad I got the Note after all. And the screen is absolutely gorgeous. With Nova Launcher, there's no lag.
The biggest drawback is so-so battery life that's worsened by the slow charging on the Exynos version. Also, it's a little awkward to hold in portrait mode because of the physical buttons.
If I were shopping for a tablet right now, I would get this or maybe the Note Pro, but probably the 10.1 because of the weight. I might also be inclined to spend even more money on the 4g version for the faster charging Snapdragon supports.
I have zero interest in an iPad, so YMMV.

Yes I would buy it again, it's one of the best android tablets ever made. The issue is with the Samsung bloat which can be adjusted to your liking. My liking was to remove all the extra things I don't want, will never use, and were stealing resources. I can tell you the new crop of Roms have a much much better kernel which I am using and most of that random microstutter is gone. Buy it and try it, if you don't like it sell it and move on.....

Yes!
I sometimes wonder , How do ipad ios guys survive without a File Manager , Drag and drop data functionality etc that every one is pretty much used to on Windows Pc's .
I love Ios for the look , but its restricting me in quite a few ways and have to find workarounds to do simple PC like tasks .
Anyways , Do any of you guys use the tablet as A Pc ? As on use the file browser .. open files with any program , move files to your desktop from the tablet just like a usb .. or just download some songs .. rt click save as .. etc .
Dropbox is great .. but why keep connecting to the internet everytime when in Android you can save it locally ..
Appart from that the Spen is unique , thats another thing.
I do crib about the stutter n see if it can be made better .. but give up some freedoms for beauty .. just can't do that.
Android is like that rough around the edges clumsy friend but who has a big heart .. imho .

I love this Tablet...I have no issues at all..I never did..I'm rooted and have TB and tons of other stuff. No lag , very fast...IPad is a joke compared to this,,,I have a Girlfriend so I spend my time banging her and not worryimg about light bleed or Kit Kat updates ,,....
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I love this Tablet...I have no issues at all..I never did..I'm rooted and have TB and tons of other stuff. No lag , very fast...IPad is a joke compared to this,,,I have a Girlfriend so I spend my time banging her and not worryimg about light bleed or Kit Kat updates ,,....
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I have a wife so I want Kitkat. Back to serious. I have owned many android tablets and this is far and away the most capable. It has more features to allow for productivity than any non windows device available. I despise Apple and their locked down overpriced ecosystem. Having said that if you are looking for a productivity and gaming/consumption device there is nothing better than the Note 10.1 2014. If all you want is a consumption device go with one of the Tab Pros or god forbid an Ipad.

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...If all you want is a consumption device go with one of the Tab Pros or god forbid an Ipad.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread too much, but I thought I'd just post here instead of starting a new thread.
I'm in the market for a tablet for gaming/consumption and have had my eyes on the Galaxy line, originally the Tab Pro 10.1. However, where I'm from, the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi model and the Note 10.1 2014 Edition are the same price. I'm not so sure that I'd get the most use out of the S Pen, but might find the multi-tasking ability handy. Would you recommend just grabbing the Note 10.1 2014 over the Tab Pro 10.1 simply for the added functionality that it has to offer?
Edit: I have absolutely no intention of buying an Apple device.
Cheers.

I forgot the thing about the file system limitations. I couldnt even imagine living without one.

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I don't mean to hijack the thread too much, but I thought I'd just post here instead of starting a new thread.
I'm in the market for a tablet for gaming/consumption and have had my eyes on the Galaxy line, originally the Tab Pro 10.1. However, where I'm from, the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi model and the Note 10.1 2014 Edition are the same price. I'm not so sure that I'd get the most use out of the S Pen, but might find the multi-tasking ability handy. Would you recommend just grabbing the Note 10.1 2014 over the Tab Pro 10.1 simply for the added functionality that it has to offer?
Edit: I have absolutely no intention of buying an Apple device.
Cheers.
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Absolutely if they are the same price. The internals are basically the same, the Pro is just running 4.4.2 out of the box. I did not realize how much I would use the Spen.

[Q] Problems with lag - is this a widespread issue? POLL

Seems to be a lot of lag and choppiness issues.....super surprised samsung have released a prime tablet with such issues.
Is this widespread?
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No noticeable lag here, although I have not loaded my tab down with lots of apps and have disabled Chrome, Gmail, G+, Hangouts, etc. I just use the native browser and email apps. I don't do a lot of social networking.

Defintely some lag here for me on graphic heavy pages, Ebay, Facebook desktop site, etc. Doesn't seem to matter which browser I use.

Lag free on mine. Super responsive. I'm very happy in that regard.

No complaints for me. Just waiting til I'm past my 14 day return period at Best Buy to root.

I'm waiting until my 30 day return period at Amazon before I do mine ?

Super responsive running any app I've thrown at it. Games run smoothly, Netflix is amazing (now that I've gotten it to activate), loving Papergarden. Some graphics heavy web pages lag a bit, but nothing terrible. Not signed into social media, GMail sync is on, email only checks once a day or when I open the app.

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Seems to be a lot of lag and choppiness issues.....
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What's your definition of lag and what are you comparing against? No QHD tablet painting a 8.4/10.5" display is going to do so as smoothly as a phone with a 4.7-5.7" 1080P display; especially using the same CPU/GPU. I haven't played with a Tab S but have spent some time with various Pro's. They're less fluid than my N10.1-14 on 4.4. The only difference s/w wise between the two is the absence of M-UX on the N10.1-14. So perhaps that extra overhead is the difference. When I say "less fluid" it's not by a great margin and if I didn't have a N10.1-14 probably wouldn't have noticed. Compare Samsung's high-end tabs to other QHD tablets instead of your 1080P phone and you'll be happy.

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What's your definition of lag and what are you comparing against? No QHD tablet painting a 8.4/10.5" display is going to do so as smoothly as a phone with a 4.7-5.7" 1080P display; especially using the same CPU/GPU. I haven't played with a Tab S but have spent some time with various Pro's. They're less fluid than my N10.1-14 on 4.4. The only difference s/w wise between the two is the absence of M-UX on the N10.1-14. So perhaps that extra overhead is the difference. When I say "less fluid" it's not by a great margin and if I didn't have a N10.1-14 probably wouldn't have noticed. Compare Samsung's high-end tabs to other QHD tablets instead of your 1080P phone and you'll be happy.
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there has been reports of lag already....I don't have a definition....I just want to know, like many others how annoying it might get! Is scrolling bad, does it stop/unresponsive etc.
I've had 2 sony tab z's and a z2 and they suffered problems with keyboard flickering and unresponsive screens.
Before folk fork out £400 on another bad device, its worth asking real life users how bad it is. This has also been reported by the press reviews....if the processor isn't good enough, Samsung shouldnt be giving themselves a bad name by making something that lags. If its generally ok, thats all the feedback required. If its a dog, I won't buy it and other users will be thankful for the feedback. Thats all....
A quick test in shops without many installed apps doesn't provide adequate feedback. Users do!

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there has been reports of lag already....I don't have a definition....I just want to know, like many others how annoying it might get! Is scrolling bad, does it stop/unresponsive etc.
I've had 2 sony tab z's and a z2 and they suffered problems with keyboard flickering and unresponsive screens.
Before folk fork out £400 on another bad device, its worth asking real life users how bad it is. This has also been reported by the press reviews....if the processor isn't good enough, Samsung shouldnt be giving themselves a bad name by making something that lags. If its generally ok, thats all the feedback required. If its a dog, I won't buy it and other users will be thankful for the feedback. Thats all....
A quick test in shops without many installed apps doesn't provide adequate feedback. Users do!
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Lag is subjective so asking people what they think is going to vary based on each person's definition. The Tab S is h/w identical to the N10.1-14 and Pro's which also have QHD displays and is going to perform the exact same way. If you read their forums there's some people who do expect big QHD displays to perform like their 1080P phones and ***** that they don't. Overall most people are quite happy with their device's performance (me included). People who are lag-obsessed have three choices: 1) wait for QHD tablets that have S-805, 2) buy tablets with lower res screens like your Sony's, or 3) buy a high-end Samsung tablet and don't get obsessive about the occasional millisecond delay in a screen transition. Save yourself (and the forum ) some heartache, pick option 1 or 2.

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Lag is subjective so asking people what they think is going to vary based on each person's definition. The Tab S is h/w identical to the N10.1-14 and Pro's which also have QHD displays and is going to perform the exact same way. If you read their forums there's some people who do expect big QHD displays to perform like their 1080P phones and ***** that they don't. Overall most people are quite happy with their device's performance (me included). People who are lag-obsessed have three choices: 1) wait for QHD tablets that have S-805, 2) buy tablets with lower res screens like your Sony's, or 3) buy a high-end Samsung tablet and don't get obsessive about the occasional millisecond delay in a screen transition. Save yourself (and the forum ) some heartache, pick option 1 or 2.
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I didn't realise asking a public forum for users experience / feedback gave anyone heartache

I was not about to spend $399 on it so the BB trade in offer at least gave me the opportunity for wanting to try one after seeing good results at my local store. I understand one could return it anyway for the higher price but I was pretty sure I was going to keep it and still am.
We all do different things so one's mileage varies. I made some adjustments in developer options menu and I am happy with the device's performance, pretty much even before I did that.
Best recommendation is always buy and try for oneself.

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I didn't realise asking a public forum for users experience / feedback gave anyone heartache
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Most of us are sick of the lag talk. Either deal with it, or get an iPad.

suzook said:
Most of us are sick of the lag talk. Either deal with it, or get an iPad.
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If you're not seeing lag then why do you care if those of us trying to decide on this tablet try to gather other's experience?
Personally I'm still running side by side with my note pro with the SD 800, and while there may be a minor decrease in performance it seems negligible so far

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I didn't realise asking a public forum for users experience / feedback gave anyone heartache
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You posted this and it's where you kind of lost me as an ally. That, and it's a pretty biased comment.
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This has also been reported by the press reviews....if the processor isn't good enough, Samsung shouldnt be giving themselves a bad name by making something that lags.
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Did you do any research before enlisting the forum as your personal concierge? The Tab S' aren't in that many people's hands but the N10.1-14 and 8.4, 10.1, and 12.2" Pro's are out in much larger volume. They all use Exynos 5420 or S-800 and push the exact same number of pixels (the PPI goes up and down depending on screen size) so they'll all perform pretty much the same way. All but the N10.1-14 share a common UI and pre-installed s/w; at least common enough to create a similar user experience. On each forum there are people screaming about lag and others saying they're happy. I'd bet the same thing will happen here once the Tab S' are out for a while. Who's right? I'd guess the people that support whatever opinion the reader's looking to validate.
If it makes your decision easier, here's what GSMArena said about the 8.4 Tab Pro's performance. The same thing applies to all Samsung's high-end QHD tablets.
In off-screen (1080P) benchmarks the Tab Pro 8.4 scores as well as any S-800 device.
Onscreen, it's a whole different story.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_pro_8_4-review-1042p6.php
So with anything involving graphics and screen painting the QHD tablets are going to take a hit compared to other devices that are serving less pixels.

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Most of us are sick of the lag talk. Either deal with it, or get an iPad.
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Don't comment then!

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You posted this and it's where you kind of lost me as an ally. That, and it's a pretty biased comment.
Did you do any research before enlisting the forum as your personal concierge? The Tab S' aren't in that many people's hands but the N10.1-14 and 8.4, 10.1, and 12.2" Pro's are out in much larger volume. They all use Exynos 5420 or S-800 and push the exact same number of pixels (the PPI goes up and down depending on screen size) so they'll all perform pretty much the same way. All but the N10.1-14 share a common UI and pre-installed s/w; at least common enough to create a similar user experience. On each forum there are people screaming about lag and others saying they're happy. I'd bet the same thing will happen here once the Tab S' are out for a while. Who's right? I'd guess the people that support whatever opinion the reader's looking to validate.
If it makes your decision easier, here's what GSMArena said about the 8.4 Tab Pro's performance. The same thing applies to all Samsung's high-end QHD tablets.
In off-screen (1080P) benchmarks the Tab Pro 8.4 scores as well as any S-800 device.
Onscreen, it's a whole different story.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_pro_8_4-review-1042p6.php
So with anything involving graphics and screen painting the QHD tablets are going to take a hit compared to other devices that are serving less pixels.
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I've seen this thank you. However I wanted some real life experience. As this has now been released in India, why not ask the question of new owners. Don't feel the need to comment if it gives you angst.

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Don't comment then!
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You're pretty aggressive for someone with 29 posts, 1 thanks, and looking for people's help/opinions.

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You're pretty aggressive for someone with 29 posts, 1 thanks, and looking for people's help/opinions.
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I'm not aggressive but if I come on here looking for support from people who have real experience, I don't find comments like "people are sick of lag comments" helpful. Just looking at comments already users are having problems. Is it surprising to ask the question? I don't think so. And I don't think it deserves comments that are frankly unhelpful.

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I fail to see how this comment is relevant either. Can we get back on topic please? I'm not in to compete. Just gain feedback and provide my own as appropriate.

[Q] Buyer's remorse??

Hey Everyone,
Curious to know if anyone has buyers remorse over making the switch to this device from another device?
Does anyone ever run the phone within the confines of the original OS?
What is your real world expectation 6 months from now with this device?
How long do you plan on keeping the device?
What is the most important everyday feature that is a keeper & deal breaker?
How has the form factor impacted the way you look at phones in terms of the screen size vs the size of the device?
Also as a side note. Have anyone ever worked with a fully calibrated monitor like a Eizo or a Ben-Q?
Or for industry folks, any panasonic or Sony broadcast monitors? The correlation being those monitors have the same look at least to my eyes.
Finally have you ever acquired a device that you did not initially have buyers remorse?
I have the phone myself. I am just curious to what the community at large is vibing at the moment...

I'm happy with the G3 especially the screen and camera. I jumped to the G3 from the LG Flex. Nice that the T-Mobile G3 comes with a unlocked bootloader and I'm sure development will be good with time. I'm a phone junkie and usually just keeps phones around 6 months. Jump helps with that.

Sometimes I DO regret getting this phone. It's a good phone, but it's just not the earth shattering, mega phone I was hoping for. Even rooted with no bloatware, i still experience lag, freezes, and subpar battery life. Also, maybe it's just my device, but I'm really not impressed with the screen at all. The blacks seem way too "milky", and i really can't see the difference between this and a 1080 screen, except for when I look at certain photos or videos.
The camera is nice for a 13mp shooter. That's really the main positive.

I returned it after 2 weeks. To many performance trade offs for the QHD screen. Once the more powerful phones hit later this year (Shamue and Note 4) the G3 will struggle. Although that's why the Prime is being released.

Curious what other 5.5" screen are you comparing it to?

Me too returned it after 2 weeks, and the reason was just the screen, everything else is great.
First, couldn't stand this yellowish tinted screen and the poor blacks, and second because of the lag/stuttering

Was it lagging in dual window mode or playing a game?
Or was it on a productivity App?
Or was it simple browsing?
Or transitioning from on app to the next?

As I never used dual window, I can't say if it lags there...
Most annoying was the stuttering to me, and this happened nearly everywhere, transitions, scrolling...
But Lg will fix it sooner or later I guess.
As I wrote, the main reason for returning it was the display...

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Was it lagging in dual window mode or playing a game?
Or was it on a productivity App?
Or was it simple browsing?
Or transitioning from on app to the next?
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Some people have the G3 lag some don't. I don't notice any lag. From what I read on here the lag is simple fix by changing the launcher and or a setting or two. Removing bloat helps too.
My screen is bight and battery is good enough for me. I guess I was lucky and got a good G3.
As far as the G3 being a "wow" phone it's not but I think those days are over for phones. I was going to wait for the Note 4 but after seeing the leaked pictures I think I'm glad I didn't.

Got the D855 32GB..
All I can say is, I'm so glad i didn't put much attention on others negative opinion about the device...
We all knew it come's with QHD display before buying it, I don't get why too many about it...
As of me, I'm very happy with it... Coming from nexus 7 2013, my criteria for next device was, at least 3gb ram, 32gb internal storage with external (a 64gb internal w/o ext is also okay)... Just saying by the way. =)
There are always those people who have remorse after buying a device by the way..

I've come from an iPhone 4S!:silly:
I bought the International version with 32GB and the 3GB ram (F400S) and I've not found it laggy at all, even with the all the Korean bloatware apps on there.
The main reason I purchased it was because I was so impressed with the LG G2 that I bought for my wife a few months back, just loved the design and screen.
Hopefully when the "Ints" get their bootloader unlocked and we can nandroid backup and get some cool roms (come on PardusHD!) then it should run even smoother.
The battery life isn't as good as I expected, but then I'm usually charging using a USB port (500mAH) so it will take ages and I've hardly ever had it at 100%:laugh: but it's way better than the iPhone 4s battery life.
I'm a little disappointed in the screen, I don't find it as "bright" as the Samsung S ones, I've just taken off the auto brightness as I found it too low, in any light environment and currently set it at 85%.
Overall design is nice and it's very light. I'm not a fan of big screens, but then that's the way they're all heading nowadays....

flapmio said:
I've just taken off the auto brightness as I found it too low, in any light environment and currently set it at 85%
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Sole reason of fast battery discharge

I don't have this phone yet but I know the 32g has 3 gigs of ram and the 16 has 2 gigs. Might be why some suffer lag. Make sure when comparing you specify which version folks

Had the 32GB/3GB version

Fir3blade said:
Had the 32GB/3GB version
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Hi Fir3blade,
Can you link a video of the stuttering if you know one?

Sorry didn't make myself a video, saw the stuttering in some video reviews, but I don't remember them, as I watched quite lots, sorry ☺

grifter9931 said:
Hi Fir3blade,
Can you link a video of the stuttering if you know one?
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Here's an example of the stutter in games. At 8min 20.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=paMb_cgVkug

I don't have buyer's remorse exactly, but I'm not thrilled with the device in every way. I like the camera a lot better than the one on my HTC One M7, and the G3 battery life is better than my M7. That's really it. My M7 felt snappier in every way, and the screen looked better. Once the Nexus 6 comes out I will likely sell the G3 and pick one up. I just can't stand all this locked bootloader nonsense and the lack of development that occurs as a consequence.

Batfink33 said:
Here's an example of the stutter in games. At 8min 20.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=paMb_cgVkug
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TY I am trying to recreate the stutter as we speak... Interesting stuff

Fir3blade said:
Sorry didn't make myself a video, saw the stuttering in some video reviews, but I don't remember them, as I watched quite lots, sorry ☺
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I noticed a few myself. I wonder why the reviewers did not mention the stuttering.....

which launcher make my sammy super responsive

I found playing with the S7 ( still do not own a Note 7, will arrive next week, but S7 has the same processor) that is not responsive as I would have imagined. ( Exynos, european version).
My question is how much I can improve in percentage point the performance of my telephone installing a lighter than touchwiz new launcher?
As I am not rooting the phone, will Touchwiz continue to take a consistent amount of RAM and processor power for background services?:laugh:

Nothing wrong with touchwiz now phones snappy as it should be
Try turning off animations in developer options.
If you have s7 then why don't you try various other launchers and do your own research instead of being lazy!!!!
What's good for one doesn't mean it's good for the other
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ChimpNippl3s said:
Nothing wrong with touchwiz now phones snappy as it should be
Try turning off animations in developer options.
If you have s7 then why don't you try various other launchers and do your own research instead of being lazy!!!!
What's good for one doesn't mean it's good for the other
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It is not mine the S7( also I should be quite rich to update from S7 to note7 ), I just played a bit. AFAIK in the video Samsung did a great job this year with Touchwiz, no doubt about that. Still I am curious to know which improvement I can have running a benchmark test with or without a light launcher.Possibly somebody did it.

trocchietto said:
I found playing with the S7 ( still do not own a Note 7, will arrive next week, but S7 has the same processor) that is not responsive as I would have imagined. ( Exynos, european version).
My question is how much I can improve in percentage point the performance of my telephone installing a lighter than touchwiz new launcher?
As I am not rooting the phone, will Touchwiz continue to take a consistent amount of RAM and processor power for background services?:laugh:
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I use nova launcher prime at the moment and intend on installing it on my note 7 when it arrives. It runs nice and quickly on my Xperia z3 so I imagined the note 7 will run very nicely with all the horsepower it offers!
Nova launcher can also be customised heavily allowing me to get my phone looking and operating just how I want it to.

nova is a very good launcher, I have used it since 5 phones ago, the best in my opinion

Nova launcher works great on N7 so far. First thing I download when I get a new phone

I like the Google Now launcher. But if you use it, beware not to turn on its listen-via-BT setting, as described at the end of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help/sound-feedback-lag-replacement-note-7-t3467475

ChimpNippl3s said:
Nothing wrong with touchwiz now phones snappy as it should be
Try turning off animations in developer options.
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You're either blind or a liar.
Every Samsung phone still lags and drops frames. My Nexus 6P from last year, and every other flagship phone I've had this year, are basically lag and stutter free. Samsung packs too much crap onto their phones and gets away with it every year just like the article here on XDA pointed out. Turning off animations is not a good solution, if any solution at all. The lag is still going to be there, you just won't see it as easily.
If you want your phone to be faster, ditch the Samsung launcher for starters. I too highly recommend Nova. Also, buy one of the Package Disabler apps and turn off the junk you don't use. I still have a fairly feature rich Note7, but turned off crap I'll never use like the Edge screen, Samsung's launcher, and some built-in Samsung apps. The phone is pretty quick, especially since the last update, but there are still times where it stutters. Welcome to the world of Samsung. The only reason I accept it and deal with it is because they have the best camera, display, build, and features of all the flagships this year. But I prefer the software experience of my Nexus all day, every day.

I use htc sense beta. Perfectly fine for me actually

Nitemare3219 said:
You're either blind or a liar.
Every Samsung phone still lags and drops frames. My Nexus 6P from last year, and every other flagship phone I've had this year, are basically lag and stutter free. Samsung packs too much crap onto their phones and gets away with it every year just like the article here on XDA pointed out. Turning off animations is not a good solution, if any solution at all. The lag is still going to be there, you just won't see it as easily.
If you want your phone to be faster, ditch the Samsung launcher for starters. I too highly recommend Nova. Also, buy one of the Package Disabler apps and turn off the junk you don't use. I still have a fairly feature rich Note7, but turned off crap I'll never use like the Edge screen, Samsung's launcher, and some built-in Samsung apps. The phone is pretty quick, especially since the last update, but there are still times where it stutters. Welcome to the world of Samsung. The only reason I accept it and deal with it is because they have the best camera, display, build, and features of all the flagships this year. But I prefer the software experience of my Nexus all day, every day.
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I fully agree that samsung are amazing pieces of hardware, and furthermore they do not take Coltan from Congo mines:laugh:
On the other side i hate bloatware, but would like to have an easy feature to back up all the disabled packages from package disabler
( i am guessing you mean this ), because i need to run developer tests, and I am wondering how to update to the new android version if I have the bloatware deactivated!
my questions in order of importance for you and others are
1) Do package disabler support a backup?TIf so takes time to back up to the original settings, as it is a function I could do quite often. Also could be that is not tested for Samsung Note 7.(EDIT: I saw it supports backup from the video)
2) Nova will disable also the following cool functions? the security folder, the edge function and smaller screen to use with one hand? If so I prefer touchwiz, differently by you I am an edge fan

There are a couple general rules that apply across android with any launcher...
Get enough stuff running in the background and it will hurt your phones performance. The saying with PCs way back was, "If you don't use it, lose it". It still applies today and is applicable to phones and tablets as well. An application you don't use running in the background is at best dead weight and at worst could be costing you resources. Get rid of whatever constitutes bloat for you.
Lots of screens populated with lots of widgets is going to cost you on any launcher.
Beware of applications and widgets which are just plain using too many resources in and of themselves and those which were working fine by themselves but conflict with others when used together.
IMO Nova is a good choice for a lot of people, I use AL3 which is a bit different and works better with the way I like to lay out my phone. You can also try one of the contextual launchers and see if you like those, they don't work well for me because my schedule is too random and I travel for work but those I tried seemed to be light on resource usage.